If you slow it down at 3:51 you can see that Childe wasn't coming out of the Narwhal's mouth. He actually came out of the portal directly under the All devouring Narwhal.
Power ranking in Genshin is a messy business, since we usually don't get concrete facts and strength of the characters is situational (Childe was clapped by the Traveler, then fought a space whale leviathan for Primordial One knows how long), but judging by what we've seen so far on screen, I have no objections regarding the list. As a Lisa main, I have to mention our Purple Witch here, since although, her exact power level is unknown, it was hinted that she's quite scary: 1. Her nonchalant attitude after Stormterror's attack on Monstadt as well as her dialogue with Jean when we first see her may suggest that she's capable enough to take on Stormterror. 2. The Abyss mage who stole the book in Lisa's story quest, plainly says that Lisa "conceals" her "true identity"...then dies a horrible death. Albedo and Diluc are also among the characters who suggested that there's more to Lisa than meets the eye. 3. Her elemental power is so strong that she turns the sky dark when she concentrates it. 4. During the first summer event, Jean trusted Lisa to guard the Monstadt, basically stating that the city is safe as long as Lisa is there. 5. Her status as the best student of the Akademiya in centuries is a common knowledge already, so there's not much to add here.
Thats called character progression, goku becomes stronger with training as time passes and doesn't stay with the same powerlevel he had on og dragon ball and childe is the same. Sorry if my english is bad
Arlecchino is an odd one for sure. She's most likely going to turn into that moving goalpost of power until she's defeated. That sharingan is going to cause many what ifs down the line.
If nothing else, that Arlecchino quest was a well-deserved wake up call for the players. We've all been so used to our broken-ass teams casually clearing Abyss on every refresh that we tend to forget that, lore-wise, we are just the Traveler and the Traveler is currently still just a chump whose recent victories were only achieved by the skin of their teeth and with the help from a LOT of people on our side.
Fair but like why didn't he used any of his elements he did so in Navia's story quest against the probable random but didn't when he thought Arlo was gonna end those kiss lives like what MIhoyo explain please
Fair but like why didn't he used any of his elements he did so in Navia's story quest against the probable random but didn't when he thought Arlo was gonna end those kiss lives like what MIhoyo explain please
@@minecraftboifanpro9752i mean, Hoyo couldve atleast given us a more bad ass fight scene if traveler used his other elements but they showed us just the dull blade 💀
Nah i need him or capitano (if he is truly a human) to be on a general list, i want the non human garbage be crushed by the full potential of MANKIND SO THEY LEARN TO NOT UNDERSTIMATE US we many be weak but we always seek ways to break our limits!! and like dain said WE WILL DEFY THIS WORLD WITH A POWER FROM BEYOND!!!!!!! Sorry
@@danita122well both maybe? but without any god help or non human species, of course we are weak but we always find ways to become stronger or make our lifes easier even in real life there is many exanples even if magic doesn't exist and we aren't as technologically advanced, since its fiction there is many ways in which we could be stronger really.
Tartaglia growth is outpacing the Traveler. Every time he re appeared after the Liyue AQ, he was stated (or at least implied.) Just the fact Tartaglia was able to fight the whale without being devoured (Neuvi states that he held the whale back, allowing them enough time for the furina trial), and that unlike the traveler, he didnt have Restored Authority Neuvillette to separate the power of the primordial sea from the whale. He should at least be equal or superior to 5E traveler. Even when he appeared in that one Inazuma event, he was already implied to be stronger than the Traveler who had already defeated Signora.
Unlike the Traveler who stumbles up mighty foes due to fate, Tartaglia is actually looking for fights and strives to become stronger due to his nature and it's clearly shown during the little exhcange with Neuviiette and the Narwhal battle. I wouldn't be surprised if he already surpassed higher ranked Harbingers at this point. (Below Arle ofc)
If tartaglia gained power even close to the traveler, wouldn’t he have moved up the ranking and not be the lowest ranked harbinger, and he also got one shotted by neuvilette before he gained his full dragon power
@@Rajiotaare you stating childe is stronger than Neuvilette? lmfao plus where did you see that he could barely keep up with the narwal? don't be blindsided cos you like a character
3:52 we know that childe must have been fighting the narwhal for at least a few weeks to a month. Due to the fact that we were given a month long sentence in the fortress to look for his whereabouts, we know childe had already escaped before we enter the fortress, and that the rumors of the hidden pipes rule have already been established for quite awhile. And the 4.2 archon quest starts with the end of that one month sentence it all depends on how long it took for Childe to find the narwhal unless his falling into the abyss lead him immediately to said narwhal.
Plus childe been training ever since traveler defeats him in liyue AQ, I think he said to us or paimon at some point maybe in the event or what i forget but he's getting stronger since liyue AQ and he want to spar with the traveler again
@@sunglassfrog89by the time of his story quest,(which is before we met dain canonically)even tho he was still injured the traveler noted tht he was already stronger than when we fought him so yea
Also remember time in the abyss goes faster, once when he fell for three days it was a month in the abbys so if he was there for weeks that would have been an incredibly long time fighting the narwhal
@@SaulAguilar87258childe was fighting the narwhal inside the primordial sea in theory if rene wanted he could have helped us during the fight but he was waiting the arrival of the sword with the power of reason
It certainly sounds cooler than "Arliecchino is an angel, a penguin and a vampire" as in some theory video. But I think Balemoon is one of the three moon sisters. Except that she's (un)dead.
I feel like Albedo deserves an Honorary Mention here. We had Dainsleif tell and warn us of Albedo’s Art of Khemia, as well as Albedo himself saying that if he ever goes rampage he can depend on us to stop him. He was taught by Gold for … who knows how long, so he definitely possesses the knowledge of utilizing the Art of Khemia to … whatever extent it’s capable of. We even see him half-create a geovishap!!! On a whim!!!!! Sucrose stopped this man when he went in for the creation, he’s evidently made it a habit of creating life and- omg, he made a picture of Paimon … he could of doomed the world with two Paimons and no one’s realized that yet … There’s also that one thing where he ate a spider, for whatever that could entail. So yeah … Albedo has the strength to destroy a Nation. He has the means, he has the knowledge, he just doesn’t have the intent. Imagine what he could and would do, if destroying a Nation was something he deemed necessary for whatever reason.
i really did consider albedo. in my other more general video, i included Rhinedottir as one of the strongest beings in Teyvat, simply because of what shes was able to do with the art of khemia. The problem with albedo is he hasent mastered the art of khemia yet.
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia oh, that is true, however that also raises the question of the strength of Albedo’s current mastery of Khemia. The only thing we can compare Albedo’s current mastery against is Rhinedottir’s creations, and while that does help to a certain bit, it doesn’t give us a proper power scale of the Art of Khemia. Dainsleif even said that the Art of Khemia caused the destruction of Khaenri’ah, and while that is rather interesting info alone, without any additional explanation, we don’t know if it was the unfortunate effort of teamwork, or the workings of one individual who used the Art of Khemia to destroy the Nation, and we don’t know if it was intentional or accidental … and with the recent discovery of the Crimson Moon Dynasty, the possibility of it being intentional has severely increased a bit. Continuing on this conversation would be leading away from Albedo … well, kind of leading away, since he uses the Art of Khemia, the power scaling of the Art of Khemia does somewhat matter to him, so until the Art of Khemia’s scale of capabilities are more understood, I will liken Albedo to a Whopperflower, and Rhinedottir to a Regisvine, and if there is an evolution beyond Regisvine, then I’ll give that evolution to the entirety of the Crimson Moon Dynasty.
I think what excluded Albedo from the list is because he has no actual feats. The game just says he could do these or that but doesn't show that he can actually these kind of things although he would be top tier if he can actually walk the walk.
The problem is, can Albedo destroy a nation by putting a lot of explosives under it (that is, use his own strength), or can he destroy a nation by building an abyssal-monster-summoning beacon (that is, use other beings' strength).
id imagine so. people get stronger as time goes on. childes character arc is about him growing into becoming the strongest and finding new sources of power anywhere he can find it
3:50 I think he emerged from the portal to the primordial sea not the whale so I’m pretty sure he was fighting it directly And unless childe was asleep in the sea for a whole month and didn’t actually stall the whale for tht long his stamina/strength is far higher than in Liyue since he lost FL like five mins in back then I’d def put him over Shenhe Especially since we know he carried a “leviathan” home in base (according to Teucer at least) so he doesn’t lack in physical strength either
I think you could argue PRIME Xiao beats Scaramouche/Wanderer, but in present, Xiao's biggest weakness (his karma/stamina) is one of Scara/Wanderer's biggest strengths. side note: when they say "500 years in the abyss" we don't know if that is abyss time or non-abyss time, so they might have the same "time" of experience.
How is stamina a weakness for xiao if he has been shown to be able to fight for days? His whole deal is that he has to be vigilant at all times, that's why he can show up whenever his name is called. And doesn't the accumulated karma fuel his bloodlust making him even more effective in combat? The problem is that his mental faculties decline
@@sarwatarannya8786 Mental faculties play into stamina - if he can't focus for long, bad for a battle. Otherwise I'm thinking of the chasm event where he couldn't maintain the platform for the whole time as an example of bad stamina.
@@TheLifeMeaningofThat’s not a good example. He was propelling multiple people at a high speed upwards on a platform made of energy he was manifesting. That is a remarkable feat of strength. We’ve not seen wanderer do anything like that.
@@TheLifeMeaningof Yes, thank you for that clarification. Doing what he did takes a lot of focus and strength/stamina. Or is that not what you were saying he is lacking?
Cyno deserves a spot fr he almost has godlike abilities we’ve seen only some of his potential in the 2nd quest and then he got another fragment which may make him even stronger like you said I believe he can hold a fight against even some harbingers
I never actually thought about this, but Wanderer is basically a Demigod. I agree with this list, although Cloud Retainer is a bit hard to place ngl. W video as usual!
i agree with Miko. she herself states that she's very powerful, powerful enough to replace the Raiden Shogun, but we all know that Miko loves to joke around. but yeah, she has control over the sacred sakura tree's magic, youkai magic, electro vision and she's just very very smart. remember how she helped us defeat Ei and how she helped us enter Makoto's realm of consciousness. i would say she's #6
Well, since we are already powerscaling... Why not. 5. Childe He's been the one character with the most growth in terms of power since the beginning. In his SQ, he was already stronger than in Liyue's archon quest, in Inazuma, he was probably stronger too since he was properly healed at the time, and then, in fontaine, we see that stamina seems to not be an issue anymore, as he fought for 40-ish days the narwal, who is a very strong adversary. 4. Xiao - Honestly, he is pretty tied with Childe, i think he has less stamina, but overall better experience and fighting prowess. I'm putting him above Childe because he is still THE Yaksha 3: Cloud Retainer - Basically the same reason as Xiao, except she is also super hyper smart. 2. Scara: Yeah, not big surprise, Scaramouche defeat his godly counterpart, not much to say other than that. 1. Arlecchino: Right now, i think she is the strongest, wielder of both vision and delusion, on top of a curse, stronger than the ex knave while being a fucking CHILD, and basically no diffed a team of 5 element traveler + Lyney, Lynette and Freminet (Which are trained assassins btw)
Good points, however the traveler didn't use any of their elements neither did freminet I believe and Lynette barely used any and the same goes for Lyney.
1. Post fountaine childe is definitely stronger than Shenhe and possibly on Xiao's or Cloud Retainer's level because Narwhal required Neuvilette to be defeated and Childe was able to stop the Narwhal for a month inside his foul legacy without hydro vision. 2. Wanderer has actual feat that would put him above everyone on that list, namely soloing his own archon-form (in Chinese translation Nahida doesn't refer to him as some god, but as archon type of being). Nobody on that list has such feat of strength. Even Xiao and Cloud retainer didnt fight archon level of enemies, but lesser gods and remains of the gods that Morax has defeated. 3. Neuvilette technically isn't archon so he could be on that list, altough he is stronger than even archons
Wanderer wasn’t an actual archon tho. He didn’t get the power of an archon either. Based on name alone we can’t just assume he had powers of an archon. We can compare his full power to another archon’s full power, ei. During the 500+ year battle against the shogun, the traveller didn’t even participate in the battle since he would have gotten hurt so ei fought her off alone. Meanwhile god schara was defeated by traveller with nahida’s samsara loop and the power of dreams. That is similar to how traveller defeated ei in a sparring match where it required 100 ambitions/visions and yae miko to defeat ei in a spar. Based on the ei vs shogun battle and the arlecchino battle we can say traveller cannot go against an archon if the archon actually tried, even with help, schara got beaten by traveller and the archon did trap him in a samsara loop but that doesn’t do much considering that schara should just always win if he was archon level. Nahida is a low archon level and traveller is below archon level and they beat schara god form.
@DawitsLookingforEmilia It was a recreation made by Irminsul, which can recreate everyone's power 1.1 as it has the memories and the elemental power of all Teyvat
Im still watching the video but i just wanna say that childe became stronger so he should be on number 5 instead of shenhe, he is basically the true protagonist of teyvat and our rival so you can't use something from 1.1 (i think) because he is the kind of character that will become stronger with us as time passes and him fighting the whale should be enough proof. and sorry if im not good at explaining my thoughts i was never good at it xd (don't worry im not hating or something i like your videos) Also arlecchino still counts as human even if its an enhanced human.
If you look at the track record about Hoyo making multiverse, Shenhe design is coming to Honkai 3rd too, that's mean she will become important characters too in future, just like how they gonna make characters like Yae Miko, Raiden Ei, and Unknown God have important role in future because basically they are Yae Sakura, Raiden Mei, and Kiana HoV version of Honkai 3rd
Honestly by the end of the story Childe will probably be one of the strongest humans out there. A few years ago he could barely stay in FLT for a few minutes and now he fought the All Devouring Narwhal a creature that made Neuvillette piss his pants for weeks without stopping. If he completes his training with Skirk he will for sure surpass Arlecchino in strength.
Scaramouche based on the end of Sumeru should effortlessly be the most powerful on this list.He defeated himself in his god state by himself when Traveler needed all of sumerus power a god and over 100 loops where he lost just to learn his attack patterns perfectly.
@@chesedp2o23 a mental scape that perfectly replicated the stats and abilities of everyone in it as it was in iriminsul which holds information on almost everything in teyvat
Xiao is so omega overrated wanderer was able to fight his godself that was near archon level Xiao has no actual feats that put him above Sumeru traveler or anything close to god scarra Childe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shenhe
@@entropy8634 No it doesnt. It took all the adepti,traveler,guizhongs weapon and ningguang amped with jade chamber and its sacrifice just to delay Osial Meanwhile Signora said Zhongli can no diff it. Do the math
A feat of Wanderer is defeating his former self, the arcane lord of wisdom. Who was on the level of an archon stated multiple times by Nahida. Even Dottore admitted he wouldn’t know how to control Scaramouche after his ascension so Wanderer defeating him with a newly awakened vision is pretty impressive and would prolly earn him a higher ranking (in my opinion btw)
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia true but Nahida stated that whatever happens in his mental plane is no different from reality. Them dying in his mind would result in their actual deaths hence the warning. Wanderer also retained the vision he gained in his mental plane which proves Nahida was right
Just finished the cyno video and then this shit drops....Nice also lowkey saying this before the video even starts if I do not see venti (Or any of the archons) I swear dawit your head will be on a stick Nvm I see the no god thingy now nvm your good
@@Ei_Shoguntechnically speaking, he should scale above Durin or Elinas by default, since he is also one of "two Golds miracle creations" and by the hierarchy of alchemi Albedo is a higher step then Nigredo(Durins stage), while also knowing chemia and having vision on top of that.
@@DripAether no, he could slam only Shenhe at most You are overestimating him too much Don't forgot he is just the 12° harbinger, and even lower the value of this place according to Scaramouche lmao
never understood how the rock in Shenhe`s quest could weight 1000 pounds but FLOAT. I mean, i understand it has mass, but if the rock is floating it means it has neutral-ish buoyancy in air
While I get it that it's your opinion, and I agree this ranking is mostly right, I can't help but think that Shenhe and Wanderer are way below one of the early game characters: Lisa.m, even though she kinda falls in Miko's case. Aside from the fact that she's been recognized as the best student of the Akademiya (even above Alhaitham, Kaveh and Faruzan who are recognized geniuses), Lisa's powers are always told to be on another level to what people have ever seen before (the Abyss mage in her quest, or Razor's about Lisa). Then, add in the fact that no less than 4 characters so far have hinted or suggested that Lisa is way stronger than she seems, namely Albedo, Mona, Diluc and Jean. Finally there's a fact about her that should definitely place her higher than the Wanderer: Lisa was INVITED to join the Hexenzirkle. Not as an apprentice, but as one of the presiding witches. She turned them down, because she doesn't like the Hexenzirkle, but still, she's been recognized as strong enough to join an organization that hosts many of the most powerful individuals in Teyvat and beyond, the same organization that wanted to take on a literal ARCHON just to find out if they actually could, ie FOR FUN. When we see what these witches have been able to do so far on an individual scale (Nicole being able to bypass Irminsul and invade minds to talk to people no matter where on Teyvat, Gold's monstrous nonsense, Alice's bullsh*t 💀), it speaks volumes in my opinion on what kind of feat Lisa is actually capable of when she ever so decides to stop being that Lazy Purple Witch from the library.
3:18 I think it's always misunderstood that the traveller is stronger than childe because of how the english translations are done, because we never really beat him, if you paid close enough attention you would recall that in fact the traveler was struggling to keep up the pace and hold childe back, he then just proceeded with his plan to use the sigils and set Osial free once he discovered the gnosis was gone (in fact he beat us to it since we couldn't avoid him to reach for the gnosis in the exuvia) so it was no use to him to stay there fighting us. Although, it's true that later on his CQ he says he is still recovering from the fight since the foul legacy puts him under great constraint, meaning that on that time the power of both Childe and the Traveller should have at least been kinda similar
Childe had escaped the Fortress just before we were sent down there. Our 'sentence' lasted 45 days, after which the Furina Trial happened. So it's safe to say Childe had been fighting the Whale for 50-60 days on end aka TWO MONTHS without pause.
I want the Traveler knocked down. Repeatedly. Without fail. And I want the Captain to be the most humble person alive while doing so. On a serious note just like Arlecchino's story quest I really hope they show just how massive the difference is. Sure the Traveler has shown they can wield multiple elements at once and whatever their native powers were were likely beyond gods, but they don't have their original power or their sword. Just something that reminds the Traveler they're up against several incredibly strong factions that won't wait for them to wake up.
Keep in mind, In the Arlecchino quest, Lyney stated that Arlecchino didn't well full 100 on them because she was only testing their loyalty to the hearth family instead of her and this begs the question of how much destruction will she likely cause if Arlecchino goes at full power despite of her being the 4th rank of the Harbingers.
I agree with this. And smth that interests me is if she is truly just the 4th harbinger, or she’s just content with replacing that last harbinger in that place. Think about it.
I like your vid a lot but this is cap 1) arlecchino 2)childe(hot take) 3)wanderer 4)xiao 5)cloud retainer Tbh cloud retainer is featless nor she has any good statements that can scale her even above xiao If want to debate we can run it
I disagree with a lot of these. The point about Childe loosing to Traveler is largely invalid. Childe only ‘lost’ because he was outlasted, in fact we see Traveller getting ragdolled when Childe’s using his delusion. Childe could’ve killed the Traveller then and there but didn’t because he went for the Gnosis. It also wouldn’t be fair to compare a Liyue Childe, like at all. Childe during the Inazuma 2.2 event is explicitly stated to be stronger than the Traveler: Paimon: He's a troublemaker, but he could be in serious danger right now. We can't let him perish in there! *He's the strongest on the team!* He says that he progressively improves daily, so it should be consistent with him getting even stronger than he already was than the Traveler during the gap between Liyue and Inazuma. He should also be above the Fontaine Traveler by now. Traveler also didn’t “lose” to Beisht. They were actively airborne and were defenseless, they were comprised and the crashed into a mountain with high velocity to the back of their head. Now i don’t wanna get into too much science here (Ironic), but the reason you get knocked out is due to sudden acceleration of your head, when that acceleration suddenly stops, Inertia suddenly hits and your brain wiggles around in the head, hitting the skull, this is why knockouts happen, you don’t need to surpass someone’s durability to knock them out. Shenhe also saved everyone from Beisht because she had a lot of potency *as well* as Cryo powers. Traveller there only had Geo/Anemo. They genuinely didn’t have a way to deal with it, neither Geo or Anemo is going to stop that Tsunami. He doesn’t have abilities that can excel over a large stretch of sea is at a disadvantage against Beisht, Shenhe has cryo abilities that let her freeze the water and walk on it, and freeze the tsunami, Traveller doesn’t. We actually do know how long it was. It’s collected from a bunch of stuff but it’s roughly near *2 months.* The traveler's sentence was 45 days and Childe had escaped on a pipe cleaning day before then, with pipe cleaning days happening 3 times every month. Several days then pass after the 45 days the traveler spent locked up up until before Furina's trail, in which the whale then appears in the opera house. The time Childe spent fighting the whale was much closer to 2 months, 45+ days at bare minimum. (Note: He didn’t was not inside the whale. If you look carefully, you can see him coming out of the portal, not it’s mouth.) As for your reasoning for Shenhe being above Childe, i think it’s a bit lacklustre. The first part about her fighting the god doesn’t really matter, we don’t know how strong this said god was, we do know that ‘gods’ can be really weak, and also really strong. I also think that Childe, as a 14 year old, with no background whatsoever, learning the *power from beyond* is far more impressive than her learning the adeptal arts. I mean just look at it from a narrative stand point, it’s pretty evident. Childe’s also slowly mastering the Foul legacy. The calculation you showed, the assumptions they make were superfluous. There’s also the thing about Childe being able to lift a fish, 200x Paimon’s size, at just 14. As for the Shenhe freezing the Tsunami part. I think people generally have a misunderstanding on how tiring that was actually for her. She was nearing death. She wouldn’t have won if Traveler didn’t jump in. Only one head was actually injured massively, the other two were actually perfectly fine, they were even in full health in gameplay. She uses that move once, she’s done if the opponent survives. Like even take Childe for example, he can just teleport out of the way. If he does so, Shenhe will be nearing death and her stamina would be almost done. Childe from there, would easily take the win. Another factor to consider is that people don’t realise that Elemental energy isn’t just the energy measure for vision holders-It’s actually ambition. The amount of energy you can output depends on the amount of ambition you have. Shenhe during that scene was ambition-amped and doesn’t have the same energy output usually, she needs a motivation speech to get it in the first place. So generally, she wouldn’t even be capable of the Tsunami feat. - 1.
As for Wanderer’s position. I think it’s being massively downplayed here. For instance, Signora was trash-talking and we really shouldn’t take her statement about him being 6th only because he can take more abuse. It’s moreso because his prowess were unsealed by dottore, hence gaining the 6th seat by showing his achievements in the abyss to Signora. “In return, The Doctor would unlock the seal on his body, causing his abilities to greatly increase, *to the point where he was a match for the lower-ranked Harbingers.”* Also, Scaramouche/Wanderer arguably has the most combat experience out of ANYONE in genshin we’ve seen so far. Well, except maybe Skirk. Scara roughly joined the harbingers 400 years ago, and was in the Abyss for most of his time as part of the group. considering he had to have been in the abyss for a majority of his time due to several slights, such as from Signora, constant abyss expeditions which is how he even got the 6th seat, and constant missions being assigned by pierro to go to the abyss, we can round it out to about roughly 200+ years (most of his time in the abyss having to be above 50% of his time as part of the harbingers). 30x more time is experienced in the abyss according to childe's character story. 30 times 200=6000 years of raw straight combat. This would put his combat experience even above the likes of Morax. There’s also a major point you missed out regarding Wanderer’s feats. He actually slammed the SnK with way less difficulty than the Traveler could ever hope of. He had to have moved faster than the Traveler in that instance, and also be durable enough to basically tank the attack, the same attack which could’ve killed the Traveler. But then again, my point about ambition is invoked here, he doesn’t hold this power all the time and needs a ambitious moment to do anything similar to it. So generally, i would say non-ambition amped Wanderer is below even Harbinger Scaramouche. As for the Xiao part: Xiao being above Childe is really baffling to me. He really doesn’t have anything that puts him above Childe. He’s fought demons, remnants of gods, yes. But how strong are they? Like i’ve said before, we know gods can be *really* weak, let alone remnants of said gods, and there’s no general consensus for “god level”, so it’s fundamentally founded upon ambiguous feats. Let me also emphasise how cracked the harbingers generally are in controlling the elements. During Mondstadt’s third archon quest, Venti in the Chinese version explicitly states: “每一位执行官，都像她一样，被至冬国的女皇赐予了神灵般的权柄" Meaning: “Every Harbinger, just like her, has been bestowed with divine authority by the Queen of Winterland." This is actually later reiterated in Signora’s boss achieves: “Signora, the Eighth of the Fatui Harbingers. *Unlike other Fatui who use the authority granted by Delusions,* her Delusion is meant to shackle a flame that will devour everything. As opposed to a weapon used to kill, it might be more fitting to consider this a tool of imprisonment.” This is most likely referring to the Cryo Dragon Sovereign’s authority that the Tsaritsa accesses through the Divine throne, she then uses the delusions to give it to the Harbingers, in a sense, “sharing” the authority. I also don’t think experience is a factor here, the most simple way i can put this is Imagine a baker with years of experience and exceptional baking skills. Despite their expertise, if their oven is old and weak and small, they won't be able to produce high-quality bread and pastries. This shows that the baker's experience doesn't translate to successful baking if the equipment (strength) is inadequate. As for Cloud retainer’s part: Vastly, most of these aren’t relevant to rank her. The part about her fighting with Xiao/etc. coincides with the point i said in the previous part of my message. And i don’t think the weather manipulation part is a big deal, at all. It has factors: - She could’ve used a device. She really is very smart, that much is undeniable. - She just has more elemental mastery. Neither of which are win-conditions though. It isn’t a matter of elemental output/strength. I have no disagreements on the Arlecchino part, she’s definitely the strongest character we’ve seen yet. But there is one thing you could add. Unironically, she has space-cutting attacks, both in her burst and her boss fight. They share practically the same animation as Ei and they’re pretty consistent. - 2.
Also, on a side note, I’ve been seeing everyone saying that Neuvilette would be the strongest if he was in here, but i don’t think that’s the case. There are mainly three things that people use to make Neuvilette look strong. 1. Him one-shotting Childe. -> I don’t think people realise how flawed this is to use. A knockout occurs due to the sudden acceleration and abrupt stopping of the head, causing the brain to jolt and collide with the skull. This impact is the reason for knockouts, and you don't necessarily have to exceed someone's durability to knock them out. It's debatable if the knockout even exceeded Childe's durability, and furthermore, it's unclear if Childe was actually physically harmed by the attack. For two, Childe was off-guarded. Childe has no reason to expect either Furina nor Neuvilette to attack. All they did while he transformed into his delusion state and fought the meks was watch, Childe had no reason to expect a sudden attack from Neuvilette in the back, he could’ve simply thought that it was a mek trying to jump him and not defend himself from the attack, the archives further say that the meks are no match for Childe which would be consistent with Childe not defending himself from the meks: “The verdict does not satisfy Childe, and he refuses to cooperate with the proceedings. Gardemeks quickly surround him, and he retaliates with his Delusion's power-something they are clearly no match for. Just as his Foul Legacy is about to activate, Iudex Neuvilette acts to cut the farce short.” *(Below part is moot.)* Furthermore, characters statistically amplify themselves with elemental energy to increase their durability, for example, Wanderer during his vision awakening scene, Itto when he tries to fight Yelan, and when Kujou Sara received her vision. Childe wasn’t actively amplifying his head for him to not be knocked out. An analogy for this would be imagining a 20-year-old man beating up a group of kids while their parents initially do nothing. Then, when the man's back is turned, one of the kids' parents arrives with a spiked bat and hits him on the head, clearly it sounds ridiculous and far-fetched now. 2. Him being able to judge the gods. -> This largely comes from misunderstanding of what Neuvilette means. The chinese word used in the text is "足以" (zúyǐ), which is translated as "capable". While "足以" can be translated as "capable" or "enough to," it doesn't explicitly convey raw physical power. It suggests having sufficient ability or adequacy to undertake a certain action or role. Neuvilette actually even says that judgement doesn’t relate to strength at all in his voiceline about Morax, he explicitly says this. Moreover, he believes his final goal is judging the Heavenly Principles, yet with an army of 7 dragons sovereigns, forbidden knowledge, and all of their powers, could not at all beat the Heavenly Principles, showing the disparity. 3. Him getting his authority back. -> This wouldn’t really do much to his combative strength. The significance of Neuvillette regaining his authority can be likened to an analogy with appliances. Say Neuvillette has a "room" with several different appliances that can accomplish different things(elemental abilities). To use each appliance. Neuvillette first has to have the proper clearance to access a certain appliance(authority), and the energy output to run said appliance at a certain level of power(elemental output.) In gaining his full draconic authority, Neuvilette's output of elemental energy didn't change, but the range of appliances he could apply that output to did. Hence why he clarifies that when he said he's gained the power sufficient to deal with the whale, he was referring specifically to his ability to separate the primordial seawater from the whale that he just got back, not an ability to curbstomp the whale in a fight--he even explicitly required the traveler to do the fighting for him. Even as early as the end of mondatadt's archon quest, venti says that each harbinger has godlike authority, but we learn from Nahida that only the top three harbingers are actually on par with gods. Authority and raw exertable strength are not the same thing. This indicates that while Neuvillete has gained a presumably surplus of new abilities, his actual raw combative strength has not increased. The whale, for example, would still bust through his shield in three seconds. This was the entire plot of the Fontaine Archon Quests, Focalors returning the Elemental Authority of the Elemental Dragon so that he can gain full control of the Primordial sea. Actually, according to Nahida: Nahida: “Yes. They’re both dragons but Apep, the Dendro Dragon, has been around for longer and has accumulated dense elemental power…” By this, Neuvilette should Inherently be weaker than Dvalin as he’s much younger. That is, Neuvilette’s confirmed age right now is only 1000, whereas Dvalin’s recorded age exceeds 2000. 4. Him rivalling the Human Realm. -> This is a mistranslation of sorts. The phrase used in the CN text is "分庭抗禮" (fēn tíng kàng lǐ), which is an idiom in Chinese that conveys the idea of standing on equal terms with someone, often in a competitive or confrontational manner. It describes a scenario where two parties or individuals are on equal footing, resisting the customary norms of politeness or deference. It often suggests a competitive or confrontational relationship where neither side is giving way to the other. It doesn’t indicate raw strength at all. - 3.
oh no my favorite character isnt on the list (yaps screams and cries like a 5 year old) ugh my favorite character is way stronger than (yap yap yap screams and cries then sends a tweet on twitter)
for yae, i dont think her saying she wouldnt risk anything doesnt mean she is less powerful than scara. it just means that she wouldnt really want to fight instead of simply giving the gnosis away
Why does NO BODY EVER mention the description of the Primordial Jade Winged Spear? Xiao played an integral part in defeating Baqiu, who Zhongli alone couldn't take down and is implied to be significantly stronger than Osial. Zhongli then created the spear and fought and finally defeated Baqiu together with Xiao. Not only is Xiao himself extremely powerful, but he also has an extremely overpowered weapon.
I'm actually quite thankful you didn't include Neuvillette on this list, for 2 main reasons: 1: Neuvillette is above the gods as a direct reincarnation of the original Dragon Sovereign of Water, so even if he was qualified for this list, it would be too unfair for him. In other words, the placement would be too obvious is he were here. 2: He kinda is the new Hydro Archon in some way, as you probably know. He did say he takes up the duties of the Hydro Archon while also being the Sovereign and Iudex.
finally fucking someone understands. hes not on this list cause hes TOO powerful. i made a diff list like 2 months ago with gods only and had him above them all
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia I also believe Arlecchino is now a solid contender for one of the top 5 strongest playable characters in general thus far, only behind Raiden Ei, ZhongLi and Neuvillette. Of course, if and when Capitano and Columbina roll around, it will certainly change, but Arlecchino is certainly up there.
@DawitsLookingforEmilia I can see why you picked cloud retainer as #2 but If she is stronger than Xiao I don't think it'd be by much so then skill and experience would decide which I think puts Xiao above imo. But Xiao vs Arlecchino would be a sick fight think itd be close.
Imho, there are power tiers, but people in them might considerably differ in power despite being on the same tier. 1. Higher gods. 2. Dragon sovereigns (possibly sharing #1) 3. Archons. 4. Sub-archons/ demigods (Arlecchino, Adepti, Xiao, powerful youkai, Albedo? Wanderer?) 5. Elite warriors ( Boring Adult, Kaeya, Beidou, Ningguang, Cy-yes, Amber's girlfriend, Kazuha??Kazuha desu, Sara) 6. Adventurers/People with some combat training (pyro Super Bomberman with extremely bad luck, Fischl, Amber, Noelle, all of Madame Ping's students esp Hu Tao) 7. People with visions, barely any combat training (Layla, Barbara, Diona, Discount Gremlin) Tier 6 might have the biggest power gaps between each other, as these I'm left to judge based on fighting animations.
Arguably Klee if we count pure destruction. Probably not a contender for 1v1 but likely for wiping out bosses or sheer force. Just the she doesn't really want to hurt anyone aside perhaps the fish of cider lake.
The list should be: 1. Neuvilette - he’s a Dragon sovereign🐲, not a God 2. Raiden Shogun - she’s a puppet, not the God (Raiden Ei) herself 3. Arlecchino - 4th Harbinger (Yeah she’s really super strong……….and hot🥵) 4. Scaramouche - 6th Harbinger (he’s also a puppet and can utilize the Electro Gnosis) 5. Yae Miko or Cloud Retainer (I can’t decide🥹🥹🥹) - Yae has more hax to defeat Raiden Ei but Xianyun has Zhongli-old experience - both of their potential and powers are still unknown - I have decided, number 5 is KLEE👹👹👹💣💣💣 Special Mentions: * Xiao is also strong but I didnt include him in the top 5 since I don’t think he’s powerful enough to stand against Gods. In the lore, Yakshas easily die and lost their minds by vanquishing God remains and demons meaning they don’t have the enough durability and antibodies to withstand Divine and Karmic debt. But he’s still strong tho I’d rank him #6. * Klee is literally a time bomb tick, tick, ticking. She’s a stronger child prodigy than Arlecchino. She literally terraformed the Stormbearer mountains and killed the Primo Geovishap for fun💀💀💀
NAHHHH, In her voice lines Fischl said she's omniscent and eminent OBVIOUSLY is the strongest FRFRFR (whoever disagree is 100% undelusional), I'll do anything to glaze my queen. ANYWAY. I have few concerns abotu Childe losing to traveler. In his story quest he told us that he's spending every second getting stronger and even tho traveller saying he " have also come a long way since then ". I ain't really sure about that..... Realistically I don't remember traveler training like ever, only thing closest to it I can remember is him getting new elements that he don't even use most of times............... Powerscaling of this game is TRULY weird. Ps: OMG I HAVE SO MANY FILMS TO CATCH UP WITH😭
Bum Midko would've gotten smoked by Scara, not sure how the hell He didn't get pissed seeing her since she's aware of his existence as a puppet, yet did nothing. Traveler didn't beat Childe, he just outlasted him before FL exhausted him. (Traveler has no on screen feats that are canon against High Tiers other than maybe Speed being relative (when they aren't trying)) Powerscaling all dwells on comparing them to Traveler, who is so weak but is blessed by Plot Armor and offscreens (Signora) that get them anywhere above Eula, let alone a Harbringer. Let someone else write the fights, because I'm tired of Aether glaze
I mean, Neuvillette is not a God nor an Archon. Yes, he is a fully fledged dragon sovereign with his authority, which makes him massively stronger than Archons, probably scaling to Celestia if we consider his final ascension voice line. However, he should still be number 1, though I wish we could see him actually fight more now, or at least see him in Celestia as he says he would be judging the Userper King,
Lowkey surprised Albedo isn't on here considering he's the only playable character to directly have the attention of Dainsleif. (As well as being compared to Durin who is comparable to Venti)
ok shenhe is not stronger than cyno or childe or the traveller, there is no universe where this is happening, cyno is literally the only person in teyvat to possess the highest number of BA fragments in the game now, he is the strongest person in sumeru at the moment, cyno possessed the "will" BA fragment and sethos possess the "might" BA fragment, now cyno has both and childe is a seasoned warrior, who fought in the abyss, cyno and childe are mid to high adepti level threat, literally only people beating them from lore perspective are the archons, the xianyun, moon carver, mountain shaper, xiao(if the fight is prolonged), arlechinno, and neuvillette. also if you are considering cutscenes, cyno 1v2 the traveller and alhaitham successfully in base form the correct lore wise list with no archons is arlechinno xianyun xiao cyno yae miko traveller wanderer childe shenhe your top 3 are accurate, rest is all bad
Cloud Retainer is probably stronger than Arlecchino. Besides where is neuvillette? He isnt a god. He is much stronger than anyone on this list by a long shot.
Pretty sure arlechinno defeated mother at 17-18. Since the kid version was at 6 years old, 10 years later, the daughter died and a year later mother died
Clervie waa the same age as Arlecchino and Arlecchino revealed Clervie died at the age of sixteen meaning Arlecchino was also sixteen. Year later she would be 17
Shenhe isn't stronger than traveler. traveler got hit by beisht there's not proof that shenhe would be able to take that hit better. she literally just froze a wave that beisht made and was heavily out of breath after. and when she actually fights beisht, traveler helps her and she says that the millelith weakened beisht severely. tartaglia most definitely ranks above her. especially since we beat him back when he could barely handle foul legacy for minutes maybe and now he's doing it for weeks maybe months since we see him in the in the primordial sea while we were in meropide and i doubt he was just chilling with the whale in that time
What about traveler? They haven't fought half or more of these (besides Arlecchino) in years pretty much. They could be far more. Powerful due to the elements (and no, I would still say Arlecchino is most powerful). Cloud retainer is also weird, if you base it off of multiple things, like mechanics, then I believe there should be a place for others. I'm also guessing that Dragon Sovereigns count as primordial good, which is why Neuvillette isn't listed.
this is silly and overall just a theory but: we know from perinheri that arle is connected to the original house of the hearth in the bale moon dynasty. y'know the original orphanage that was after descenders, so it is my personal theory that Arle is an attempt at recreating a descender, be it the attempt failing or something else being why she ended up in the hose of the hearth we know today. her connection to that being a pretty neat explanation for her glitching, she wasn't meant to be here overall just a theory but the connection is there. perinheri ties into so much, istg, even the original fischl is probably in the middle of all this so I personally do think Arle would make top 5 even if we include the gods in the list
Bro, I was reading the comments and I realized that Childe is a very overrated character, like he just fights against the whale, he doesn't hurt it and he can't even defeat it or even come close to defeating it, besides he's number 11 lol. and every fight he faced someone strong he ended up losing, Tartaglia simply doesn't have winning feats.
No one is saying he can beat raiden so he is not overrated, in fact he is very underrated! whether you like or not childe is still stronger than shenhe he is the kind of character to get stronger as time passes. Him fighting the whale for DAYS is a big feat whether you like or not.
@@dinte215"gods" power varies, its a real life mythology example but here it goes its like comparing the greek gods to the abrahamic god there is clearly a big difference in terms of power and in genshin is the same too because there is clearly a difference between celestia "gods" and archon gods and "gods" like osial in power.
@@dinte215A god that was WAY WAY weaker than an adepti who is WAY WAY weaker than a a regular god who are WAY weaker than an Archon or beings of similar strength
13:34 we’ll Scaramouche did say she’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing and most who seen her crazy self end up a pack so it no surprise that’s she glitches in and out of reality
Bro......(friendly criticism) Neuvelliete has full control over water... He can just KAMEHAMEHA Father even before she unleashes her spider claws. Neuvelliete is stronger, even more than the archons, because he did what an archon was never able to do- forgive a sin.(The original curse of Fontaine) According to Nahida, the top 3 Harbingers can rival the powers of the Archons- That means they are similar in power. Arleccino is 4th, that means her power is somewhat same of an archon.... C/A- Feel free to criticize me, brothers. DESTROY MY COMMENT! AND ALSO SOMEONE PLS MAKE NEUVELLIETE CRY!!! IT'S SO FUCKING HOT HERE!
I would like to argue about childe being in no.2 Not because of the Whale thing ( i mean...that itself speaks already a lot about him) But because of his 1V1 advantages I mean....foul legacy is already stronger thnn the adepti no matter how we see it...and almost like archon level right? ( Fontaine Foul Legacy....not Liyue) I mean....he was holding back an outlander beast....which was not even from Tevyet....how will xiao,shemhe, and cloud retainer hold it? Foul Legacy just seems to be on a whole another league....i can only imagine how strong the real FOUL would be So...this is just my theory....no offense....i love your analysis always ❤
The definitive top 5 is Arlecchino Childe Wanderer Cyno and someone else(Neuvillette probably), they all have massive superiority over stronger forms of Traveler and have by far best scaling Arlecchino decimated current Traveler Childe fought Narwhal for over a month, that alone puts him massively above current Traveler Wanderer beat god puppet which can oneshot 4E Traveler and Cyno is relative to him, he then got 2 times stronger after his 2nd sq Shenhe is barely above 2E Traveler and is only relative to adepti(which are 2E Traveler level too), Yae is at most above 3E Traveler and I swear if Xiao is here cause he's literally below 3E Traveler, he has no feats, no statements, barely any narrative to be put any higher
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Pretty sure you get notifications for every comment¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Putting Xiao and Xianyun above Childe Wanderer and Cyno is insane tho, neither have any narrative let alone feats and statements above the 3 aforementioned
Ppl really belive scaramuche soled himself with the mecha and the gnosis? I get that he fought a copy of himself, but that was in a dream. And even if his dream enemy was at a similar power, his own power was not. Like when in a game you get the super buff that make you invincible. That was not a full wanderer vs Scaramouche god. That was his present vs his past. He simply got over it. Its like when ppl think saitama in onepuch man growth is enought to oneshot himself from yesterday because he did it in a videogame.
Just because Shenhe saved Traveler once doesn´t mean she is stronger, the same for Childe exhausting himself in the past doesn´t mean it would happen again in the future, that "logic" used to put Shenhe in that place was EXTREAMLY flawed
it very well could be flawed. although id open to here an explanation otherwise given both Cloud Retainer and Ningguang agreed that the only reason the fight against Beisht went as smoothly as it did was because of Shenhe Its for this reason, among freezing the tsunami that I believe her to be stronger then the traveler, who tried attacking Beisht but instantly got put down
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia And I think you forgot Traveler woke back up less that a minute later to fight alongside her. Yes, Shenhe froze the tsunami and she alongside Traveler dealt with it. But that is not even remotely close to be at the same level as fighting the whale for almost a month and being strong enough to hold it down for that long, the difference in power between Beisht and Ptakhur is like comparing a lizard with a Komodo dragon. Shenhe alongside Traveler dealt with the almost dying lizard while Childe kept the overgrown, juiced up Komodo dragon in line for weeks without rest. Childe lost to Traveler cuz he could only maintain his FL form for some minutes, Childe in Fontaine maintained it for weeks, the power gap between the Childe we fights fought vs the one we saw in Fontaine is far too wide
According to google columbina is obsessed with arlecchino she love her. And love is the strongest thing in world so arlecchino is stronger than columbina :) because according to google columbina will do anything for her
Shenhe feels like those terrible overpowered OCs people make... tragic backstory, really powerful at a very young age, trained by a godlike figure, she is the only person whose hair magically changed and the whole "Rebuid the Jade Chamber" Quest is just there to show how amazing this OC is
