5 things we hate about Shimano 105 Di2 

Price is never products problem .

the cassette limitation . you cant use 11-28, 11-30, 11-32

It'll get cheaper

Hopefully sales will reflect the absurd pricing here in the UK and they will revisit and or reveal the extent of import duties for goods coming from the Shimanos hub in the EU.

And in other way open the door to Campy too. Right now the cheapest 11 speed groupset from a major brand (sram/Shimano/Campy) are not 105 R7000 mecanical but Campagnolo Centaur 11 speed ... if they update it (Chorus 12 speed are available in Rim brake and 12 speed too) they can take that space too

Coming from.. 5 Years of eTap 11 Speed, the front Dies earlier than the rear for me. By quite a far shot actually. Does not really change the value of your point tho, Sram it is!

@@moritzaufenanger2537 Hmm. I'm not familiar with eTap from that generation. It is Red? Maybe after 5 years, you just need a new battery? I use my RD ten time more than my FD. So far, I haven't even come close to the battery dying. I'm about 500 miles (800 km) in on the new bike, and I've recharged twice, and that was in preparation for long rides...

@@michaelfox6800 Yes, 11 speed etap only was available as Red. Nono, i have ~8 Batterys running in cycles. Ive had Force AXS too for a while, and the FD also always went red first too.

@@moritzaufenanger2537 how come…I charged my rear derailleur battery twice but never once for the front. Mine is Rival eTap AXS though.

@@michaelfox6800 front mech uses approximately 5 times more energy then rear (if I remember correctly), so it really depends on the individual usage. In the mountains you would use it once after the climb, and then on the bottom of next one. On the flats probably even less. Hilly terrain -I'm constantly shifting, can't really cover it on one or the other.

I hope so too

Campagnolo's answer is: Chorus 12s

Anything Campy will cost you a arm and your first born

@@tesmith47 but you childern can ride it 20 years from now

Will you ?

I kinda did. I’ve got a set of brand new mechanical levers and a rear derailleur (1x set) stashed away. I’m running mechanical discs on both my bikes. We’ll see if I go back to rim brakes when it’s time to retire either of those bikes.

@@RicardoRocha-lg1xo good for you

Yup. You wouldn’t hear GCN saying all this.

Had the same problem. Switch to SRAM (cheaper and no internal battery) or campy (still offers rim brake but expensive)

Pretty sure they say Shimano wears out and Campagnolo wears in. I like SRAM a lot but it doesn't have the longevity of Campagnolo. Campagnolo is vastly superior to Shimano in terms of ergonomics and aesthetics

@@richardparkin6119 Having always used Campagnolo, currently have 3 bikes on Campag 11 speed. I took the plunge and bought a new winter bike with Shimano GRX Disc 11 speed groupset. I have done alot of mileage on it but Campagnolo has better ergonomics, levers less prone to scratching because the brake levers are not angled out like Shimano. No matter how much I use Shimano I will never really get use to the fact that you have to move the brake levers to change gear. It's just odd. Also can be very easy to make incorrect gears shifts with thick winter gloves on Shimano as the two shift levers are so close to each other. This is just not possible on Campagnolo as the two levers are different positions. I'm not a Shimano hater just my opinion based of my experience. However, Shimano are losing the plot. Why got to 12 speed only road group sets and only offer 11/32 and 11/34 cassettes. Not long ago these where 2 by mountain bike gears ratios.

And you can drop an ultegra shifters with 105 components as long as they are all 12 speed.... So no big deal, 105 HAS rim brakes options.

What is annoying though is that the rim brake versions are still fully wired. I was going to get Ultegra rim brake until i found this out.

@@markj.a351 wireless is absurd, the shifter are not going away from the deraulliers anytime soon. Coin cells are a pain in the ass.

i think tiagra is probably going to inherit all the old 11speed parts (old 105, ultegra, etc) from their warehouses in the next iteration.

@@chickenpoodle yeah probably, and get a price bump in the process. Tbh, the mechanical shifters are all pretty much the same now, so as long as they still do a 10 speed groupset (be it the next Sora or whatever), I’d be happy with that.

On point. Ride what you can afford. Dont be forced to purchase expensive equipment and because others are just showing off

and one thing i'll add, that i forgot to say, was you can even slowly transition from 10speed to 11speed by making a frankenstein tiagra/105 combination, for example.

shimano is hugely discounted after 1 year in the marketplace. at the oem level 105 bikes are cheaper than rival version. sram is noisy/clunky and the brakes have crap modulation. road.cc another bad editorial but this is par for course

Are you daft man? ???!!!?? Why?

Plus it looks so much nicer

It's just two wires, I can't get over why people are bothered by the sight of them, not a lot of them are sticking out!

Yes, the first “issue” raised in this video is ridiculous. It’s not an issue at all.

@@5891jonathan Agree, having a common power bus is better than having to charge four or five separate devices, having multiple things that need charging is a massive downer, charging bike lights and the wahoo/garmin is bad enough.

@@yonglingng5640 I think it’s because Shimano insists on calling it wireless

Totally agree. I personally even see it as advantage that it's not wireless... I prefer reliability.

Yeah I thought they did?

They do just hard to find, that's one reason I'm surprised they dropped 105 rim

​@@tomrachellesfirstdance7843 Because you can have ultegra shifters with 105 components? not worth having a 105 branded one when ultegra 12speed rim breakes levers are alredy "cheap" considering di2 prices. R7170 di2 hydro levers 390GBP vs R8150 di2 rim lever 299GBP.

Or jump to ultegra 11s di2. Prices will drop.

They announced Ultegra and DA with rim brake models (they are still fully wired though). So if you want 105 rim brake you'll have to get Ultegra or DA shifters which can take the cable. It seems they didn't bother making 105 hoods with rim brake cable attachements. Maybe their logic is only top level riders would still bike the weight saving over disc brake performance.

it will out last the 105 by decades

My old Tiagra derailleur needed replacing. The new Tiagra replacement is not compatible (different cable pull ratio) and, like you say, the bike shop had difficulty sourcing old 10 speed 105. Thankfully, they had an beautiful old 6600 10 speed Ultegra derailleur laying around. Shifts a treat!

Microshift R10 Drop Bar Shifters is Shimano Road compatible.

@@iMadrid11 Thanks for the tip I will check them out.

I agree but it's just warranty issues with stuff from China compared to over here.

Agree mine is 8 speed campy, changes like a charm and for 50 years have never not stopped using rim brakes.

That's just flat out not true. Maybe if you're using alloy pads on carbon wheels.

@@Silidons91 are you trying to dictate my experience? 🤨 You can't honestly sit there and dictate what I experienced with rim brakes, I had so many issues with them on my previous road bikes again, I'm not sure what you're trying to imply with your response. 🤨

im the opposite of you, i'll keep my 13.5 lb rim brake mechanical da9000 bike thanks.. the 'wet season' is mtb time for me w disc brakes

@@HShango Pretty sure he's just implying that rim brakes are not useless. Useless is a pretty strong term. Disc brakes are heavier, noisier, and uglier. They are a nightmare to travel with. Rim brakes are a more elegant solution

@@HShango Yes I'm calling you out because you're saying rim brakes are useless in wet which is literally not true. It's like saying the sky is red when it's actually blue. It's not a subjective statement, it's a statement of fact or fiction, and your statement is not true.

It'll likely be dependent on them getting a distributor in the west. But we'd love a bit more competition, especially if it brought prices down