As far as fitting the cassette, I've had to make that modification once but then there are one piece cassette offerings out there that would work with Shimano. Not really cheap but they would get the job done.
My favourite..... From the 80s Shimano 600... Maybe you are too young to remember! It looks so minimalist compared to today's offering, matching those skinny Reynolds tubes of the day. So pretty!
I did the swap from 10 to 11 on my 2016 Felt. Took the washer between locknut and cone from the left side and moved to the right.That shifted the hub enough for 11 speed cassette. Then touch up the dish on the wheel.
I found Merida Reacto 6000 w/ 105 di2 that’s about $400 pricier than 4000 w/ 105 mechanical. In total Reacto 6000 is ~$2500 because it’s 20% off. Do you think it’s worth the price to get the 6000 over the 4000?
@@FlourescentPotatoThere will be no more Tiagra. It's CUES from now on. The top version will be 11-speed - however it's uncertain if there will be a cable brake version.
R9100 hs the lightest, crispiest, cleanest shift I ever experienced in mechanical shifting. You don't even need to push with a finger to upshift: just have your hands on the shifters and move your hand slightly inwards to push the brake / shift lever.
@@thetriumphsprint tan/brown whatever. My point was that you can use the same handler tape color as the accent color of the saddle and it would look like you picked the color on purpose instead of having only some random accent in a different color
I am the grateful owner of a 2003 Trek 5900 USPS Lance Armstrong bike very similar to yours. I bought mine in near perfect original condition for $600 US. We upgraded the bars to a shorter, shallower bar and installed new Sora shifters. I am super comfortable and very happy with this bike. I am still using the original wheels with Continental GP5000 tires. Thank you for sharing yours!
Dear Alex: mate good on you for not only addressing but also owning the whole “crankset” kerfuffle. Speaks loud and clear to those of us who can dish it out but also take it. Awesome build and is only getting better. Love your work! 👍👍
@@SMlFFY85 Had to like your comment. I'm retired, and I realized the other day that when I shop for food, I don't have to pay close attention to the cost. (Yet. There's always a "yet.") I built an '05 LeMond Tete de Course over a period of months, as budget and component availability allowed, and I do have a modern BMC to ride as well, so I am able to enjoy a couple of different experiences for a while yet. Again, "yet."
After using a quite heavy hybrid for a decade, this 60 year old gave myself as an upgrade to a new Cannondale Quick 1, with mostly Shimano 105 components, 2XL, this spring. I am loving the groupset of the people! I am looking forward to enjoying it over our short Canadian summer/autumn to come! So fun!
This is amazing, two years ago I bought a used Trek SL1000 from 2007, and by looking at how to paint my own bike I found this channel. While I was at it, I changed some parts to make it eventually compatible with an R7000 105. 5 Months ago, I bought every part, and finished upgrading the groupset around February. Funny enough, I didn't get the standard 105, and looked everywhere for the silver version, now I see you went for the same groupset! What are the odds. I might send you the picture of my finished bike for the next GCN Tech video and see if I can get in the Bike Vault!
I upgraded my bike to R7000 too. It was a cheap upgrade and it shifts perfectly! That generation 105 is definitely the group set of the people. All my road bikes have been 105 :D
I just did this exact thing to my son's older Cannondale. The thing is, the price difference between 105 and Ultegra was so little, 105 made no sense. You could have washed my car, and I'd have paid for your Ultegra upgrade.
True. Hence my 2007 Cannondale SystemSix has Ultegra. But I should have resisted the second hand price of my Roubaix Elite with Ultegra 2018 and gone with plan A: aluminium with 105 and preferable new, which would have had wider rims for wider tyres
@godlikecat $540 For new Ultegra 8000 front/rear derailleurs, HG800 cassette, new Dura Ace shifter and brake cables, 2 GP 5000 28mm tires, new Ebay Cannondale One 50/34 crank. I already had a Dura Ace 11speed chain, Ultegra 6800 brakes, and shifters off another bike. I sold all the old components off the Cannondale on Ebay, earning back $490.
While somewhat controversial I had your back in defending the choices you made (even machining out the back of your cassette). Then I saw the white bar tape and said "Alex, you're on your own."
As an older bike owner i love it. 2x10 speed 105 is all humanity needs. I couldn't source a shifter lever so i went with a Tiagra the newer upgrades are supper nice. I think a video about all the small changes and improvements that went into the hoods would be interesting. Do you think we could interview any Shimano engineers?
The good : NICE bike colour. Brown seat goes well with the blue. WHITE bar tape super impractical. The bad : the red rims just CLASH - enjoy riding it !!!
Great video Alex 😊. Regards from Spain. I don't like modern bikes, so I like this kind of videos so much. I want to see you in the race, making justice to the bike, good luck! 🙌🏻💪🏻😊
i did the Shimano upgrade from 10sp to 11sp as well. The 10sp freehub was 2012...right before they started making the 10/11 compatible freehub. Had to order a 11sp freehub from another country (Spain) and it sat in US customs for a week, but ended up being SUPER worth it. (as I don't have a machinist buddy)
Finally a video nested in reason!! Mechanical 105 is A Tier only bested by Ultergra which given the delaminating cranks puts it A Tier as well. Mechanical 12 speed 105 is the only group 99% of us need. Tigard would also suit 99% of riders but it need to at least be updated to 11 speed.
Well done: that is a beautiful bike, brown saddle and all. The white bar-tape is fine if you can keep your gloves clean and cover it in cling wrap in the workshop. It does look a bit retro, but it has the insouciant grace that a lot of current I'm-ever-so-serious bikes lack. But please, don't knock side-exiting cables. On long-distance rides they were great for resting your thumbs on - it was a sort-of stretching exercise - and it really made your hands feel better on a long stage. And on one multi-day brevet a chum dried his newly-washed socks on them, clothes-pegs and all.
Nicely executed upgrade in keeping with the Trek. I do think you’ve found a problem that didn’t need solving. Brake power same. 1 gear ratio more is not worth £300 IMO. Gorgeous though the 7800 chain set is; this would have been the area to change adding a a semi compact or compact. Lastly the 7800 Trek originally is everything so to 7000 105 has just reduced re-sale value. I’ve got a 5.2 Madone - 9 speed ultegra is fine. Just snagged a 5.5 with 7800 DA for my son. we won’t be swapping it out Enjoy the retro speed ! Thanks for your work on the channel Alex
I have a full silver 5800 105 groupset still boxed and ready to go onto a custom built steel frame. I also have had the same groupset on a Dolan Ares since 2015.
I'm on board with all others saying brown bar tape!! I've put a brown Brooks saddle with matching brown tape on my Focus CX and everyone comments on it... It's a cool throwback vibe on a modern bike and it adds a touch of class fit for a fancy sports car! Do it!!
You're singing my song! I'm 69, still tinkering and improving whenever possible. I love the idea of wringing another lifetime from vintage frames whenever possible, something I've been doing for decades. I'm putting the final touches on a 1982 Miyata Three Ten, upgraded to 9spd Ultegra 6503 triple. It started with 27" wheels (630mm bead diameter), so it can now accommodate up to 700c×35 tires. I'll be watching for the race results on your new old bike! Keep those spare parts, they're golden!😁
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The biggest shame is that they don't make Duraace mechanical anymore, if they did I'd be all over it like a dirty rash. No interest in unnecessary batteries and motors on a bicycle. The finish on the DA stuff, especially the older stuff is a step above. I'd have been tempted to keep the older groupo....one of the best ever made, and the external cables made for the slickest shifting, it got worse after that. Surely the older DA is quite a chunk lighter than new 105?... and no, the extra cogs are never worth it for their own sake... the right ratio spread on 10spd was always fine enough.
I have 105 mechanical group set on 2x10 On my Raleigh Aérolite with 105 rim brakes. (All silver of course) front ring is 46/30 rear is 11-42. I have a wolf tooth goat link. At my age I need the lower gears to get up the really steep hills we have here in the IoM. And yes the 46/30 does fit the 110bcd 5 arm cranks.
I ran into the same 11spd snag when trying to upgrade my Claris gravel bike to 105. I learned about 11spd road hubs that day. I returned everything and went with GRX 2x10. Tiagra level, but surprisingly smooth. I have another bike with R7000 mechanical, and other than the smaller gear gaps, I barely notice a difference.
Have to say though, 11 speed mechanical Ultegra can now be bought for under 600 EUR, so that is groupset of the people territory as well. Fitted one to my Ritchie steel racer and absolutely love it
Ive got bikes with Ultegra R8000, 105 R7000 & Tiagra 4700 & there isnt a lot in it, Tiagra set up well is a great groupset (only slight negative is its 10 speed, but that missing sprocket is only the 13t one & 12t to 14t is fine).
Love videos like this. The only way to counteract the high price elitism in cycling and bring more people in is with project like this. Coming from the car hobby this is what you would call a resto-mod. Modifying a classic bike with new parts to keep it relevant, make it look cool, or compete.
I recently upgraded from a 15 year old aluminium/carbon frame Giant TCR with mechanical groupset, rim brakes, cheap alloy wheels with tubes to a new TCR Di2 full carbon frame, carbon wheels, disc brakes, tubeless tyres. The weight difference is less than 500g and my Strava times are practically the same. All that new tech and the difference is marginal.
If the chain fits the chainrings, I see no reason why to replace the crankset. And, I don't know about new chainrings, but used 10 speed chainrings definitely fit 11 speed chains. Not to mention that the crank is silver. So, you have a lovely bike, bro! I'd put a blue saddle and bar tape, though...
Beautiful setup. I'm still a huge fan of mechanical 105. I would agree with the majority, though, that the brown saddle isn't a good match to the rest of the bike.
I think that Dura Ace crankset is one of the best looking cranksets ever. Certainly the best looking Shimano crankset. (The bike itself I would never have bought. It reminds me of Armstrong every time I see it, which makes me feel sick.)
I love it! I personally would have attempted to just replace the shifters and cassette, but it looks great how you did it. The bars will make a huge difference as well
Finished a R7000 105 upgrade on my 1980 steel frame, (it's comfortable), about two years ago. Quiet happy with the results. The frame has no braze ons so stops/mounts have to be clamped.
I swapped my Trek 5200's Dura Ace 7700 with 105 5800 and it instantly improved the use ability of it. Better braking, better shifter ergonomics and easier gears. Best upgrade I did to it.
I went from a '93 Cannondale R600 with this same 7800 Dura-Ace to a 2006 CAAD8 with R7000 105, and it was the most night and day difference ever. R7000 105 is functionally identical to Dura-Ace, literally the only difference is the weight and finish. Hell, GCN even did a video where they had 11 speed 105 and Dura-Ace on two bikes side-by-side on trainers, and NO ONE could tell which was which in a blindfolded test.
I use Shimano deore for my mountain bike it is clutched from chain slap and is paired with a 10 speed 11-34 and 11-36 depending on what I'm riding. I will also rebuild the cassette with other cassettes if needed. The derailleur is able to be adjusted up and down from massive 50-51 to 32-34 low gear very easily as long as you know what you are doing.
I'm a stylist and have styled many a visual shoot. The brown saddle really works and tones in with the wheel decals and is a directly opposing tone to the blue. So yeah, stick with it. The white bar tape works too with the TREK logo decals.
I have Dura Ace 9 spd and it's still amazing. I also have ultegra di2 and electronic shifting is also amazing. The DA crank is a work of art compared to modern shimano crank tho.
You glossed over how difficult it is to get cables through those PRO Vibe aero bars! I’ve got some and it’s really hard, even using the Park cable routing kit! They do look good though!
A couple of years ago I bought a new Colnago that came with the 105 mechanical groupset. The shifting was slow and the braking was mushy. I replaced them with Campagnolo Super Record EPS 12 groupset. It was a world of difference.
I’ve got an oclv 5200 that I somehow got for £20, pieced together a 105 groupset from spares and eBay and some Mavic alloy wheels. About £200 all in and a great bike
@@gcntech I seem to remember the videos from a few months back with hand and arms all bandaged up and I can still see the scars. That would seem to qualify for 'hard earned'. Was there a chat with Workplace Health & Safety?
Mine is even more retro, early 1980s steel (753) with a mix of modernish components inc wheels. Faster than my carbon bike up hill but obviously as aero as a British Leyland Sherpa ... It gets raced regularly in road bike time trials, particularly hilly events. It's not particularly light but is very direct and makes you push on. Bikes ... you find a diamond in the mass of choice out there, its not always obvious what's going to stand out or be perfect.
I had the Trek Madone for £500 on GCN tech 285 bike vault. I change mine for Ultegra R8000 for similar reasons, part modern but still with some elements harming back to its retro beginnings. Lovely.
Converted my Trek Domane from 10sp to 11sp R7000 105, cw compact crank. A Sunrace 11sp cassette will fit onto a 10sp hub as it comes with a spacer. Runs well and I now have lower gearing for the hills.
The upgrades will make it work better but that is an iconic model of bike. Hang on to those parts and the resale will be more desirable now and much more in the future.
My buddy has a 2012 GT, we put the R7000 group set on it. He loves it. He also has a R9000 crank with power meter. Money well spent. Crank was used. Added the 4iiii power to it.
Not sure about the silver but it's a good groupset. As for how it races, it will make no difference. My crit bike is a '09 Tarmac on externally cabled Ultegra mechanical with carbon wheels, round bars etc and I have no problems sticking with others on their top tier bikes.
I went to marshal at my club's TT on Thursday evening. I went on a 1989 531 Tom Crowther with Campag Athena. Down Tube Levers. I was the only one there with Campagnolo. I was the only one there riding on tubs. :-) A competitor with Di2 had a failure. The rear mech stopped working. He was a DNS. Solihull CC K25/7.5.
So cool Alex. Pretty similar to what I did with my first road bike. I had an old felt F4 with ultegra and dura ace but put R7000 on it for the reason of the gear cable sticking out from the hoods. That bike and those components has now become a 2015 propel with the same pro vibe bars. I guess it's not the same bike anymore 🤔😂
7800 to R7000 is not an upgrade. Side-exiting shifter cables are easier to maintain and have smoother cable movement. Aesthetically, 7800 is much better looking, is actually "polished silver," as opposed to R7000's ball-burnished gray body and black cage. Riding position does more than removing the side-exiting able and altering the profile of the bars.
😂 I ride the new mechanical 105, levers, brakes and derailleurs but have a Miche 14 to 30 12speed cassette and Chinese 34 /53 VXM chainrings on carbon cranks with a KMC chain. Changes really well, nice close gears and who really needs a gear much higher 100 inches. All on a Hyyge model S frame. Love it
