5 Things You SHOULD KNOW About The Abyss Meta! 

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@@tylink99ppl in here talking bout beatin they shit on the regular

yeah it's so funny how everyone just collectively agreed to that kind of humor. reminds me so much of jerma's community being into the brainrot gen z/alpha humor while jerma himself doesn't exhibit them on stream

cuz hes so cute

I would choose this type of comments over cringeass westjett or ditto comments

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Thats why i am a harbor believer

​@@playbtdbattles2409 Same. Wish I was actually good though...

True, don't know why people dont consider him playing on this map, it's made for harbor

@@sarthak.inferno as crazy as this may sound but i even play him as a solo controller and it works really well for me

@@Kryzez i make my friend play it and I play Chamber/Deadlock, our squad pretty much destroys enemy team

@@sarthak.inferno Tbh some teams are lazy to experiment and practice him lol

@@funkycrawler619 yeah, chamber harbor are so underrated yet viable options on some maps, atleast we see Asian teams trying out them in different comps

Honestly on first glance this sounds well thought out. I wish I could use this in my soloQ comp games.

The map doesn't necessarily require heavy mid-presence though. You can just have one body there if anything. Fast executes so far seem the way to go and Deadlock/Sage are far better at stopping rushes/post-plant set up than Cypher (and I'd argue Chamber can get the same "flank" watch potential while still causing more pressure cause his util has no fall off).

​@funkycrawler619 its easy to get timinged if youre watching it solo with no util

I mean I'm a cypher main, I'm a silver cypher main to be fair. But I play 2 trips site and cam mid to cover mid pushes. But honestly with how pro is played that's likely not useful.

@@funkycrawler619 Yes, the map doesn't require heavy presence mid, but that's exactly why you would prefer a cypher trip mid. And when I say having a body watching the other lane, I mean the body heavily leaning either A or B side to help with said pushes if they do just fast hit. Chamber would also be good in terms of this, but his site hold is way weaker than cyphers

@@confusedguy996 Well Cypher obviously is that strong on this map in particular at holding site lol as we have seen. Sova being a hard meta pick (and Kayo to a degree) will make Cypher holding very difficult. Cypher trip mid only covers one lane and a relatively close lane to your side. Chamber can do that but also has the fire power to hold a site specially with an op. Cypher brings value but its evident here that the value he usually brings isn't that different from other sentinels.

Ouuu they gna cook 🔥

They already played it. Their comp was Fade, Yoru, Cypher, Omen, Viper.

@@Browniev2 interesting wonder if it'll be different for international competition

Idk about pro play but you need a cypher cam to watch mid. Also the trips can generate a lot of kills because of how many high low angles and different safe spots you can spam from on the sites. Chamber and deadlock are pretty useless unless people are stupid

@@laserhawk221 You don't need a cam at this elo., You can have a body if need be, and that being said, given how the maps chokes work out, its impossible to lurk onto the site without making sound through the side avenues. There is only one choke point meaning Deadlock (especially more so since her trips completely block off any lurks from B DAnger or Jett/Omen/Raze trying airborne across A). Their not useless at all on this map, just like how Cypher isn't a must pick.

@@funkycrawler619 professional teams all pick cypher. Also it’s not about lurking mid. Some teams actually go mid. Deadlock is a worse cypher with no information. Information is the most important thing at pro levels that’s why you even see cypher taking over some of the kj maps

​​@@laserhawk221no they aren't, mid is huge you could leave chamber there to watch that, also extremely execute heavy so deadlock can find alot of value

@@laserhawk221 The map is knew and Cypher is strong, that's why they picked him but as we can see so far...his value isn't marginally high. Several other maps fair fine without him, and I do think this could be one of them.

no omen no win

@@swftchaos Tbh I don’t see how Omen is as big of a must have on Abyss as on other maps. And keep in mind I‘m using Harbor in my comp instead of solo Controller, and I do not play a Sentinel. 1. Astra is a far better Lurker option than Omen 2. Astras smokes are bigger which is actually quite helpful on some spots on the map 3. Astras Ult > Omens Ult 4. I don’t really see that many good Omen blind spots on the map, so I value Astra stun for entries/retakes and her suck for postplant or also entries/retakes more than the Omen blind (if you can give me some example of the Omen blind being really good please go ahead, I‘m not afraid to be wrong) 5. again I don’t see that many incredible Tp uses besides some „funny“ tps of the map or whatever, the only actually useful ones I can think of are both on defense, one down mid to get into the corner fast and one into window on B (where you‘d need extra help anyways and it‘d be hard to actually set him up) and while I‘m typing this I guess the „off the map“ entry Tp on A is useful aswell but you‘d use Jett there anyways if you‘d decide to entry from there. Also again, if you have examples on good Tp spots tell me, maybe I‘m missing a lot 6. There’s like no Omen oneways on the map which would make his smokes stronger than other smokes, the only ones I‘m aware of are both towards mid bottom which imo is not really that big of a deal as you should play Abyss very fast with 4 to 5 people executes and play post plant, it‘s not really worth to try and mid pushes, just to apply some fake pressure but you‘d use the Harbor Wall anyways for that and not some Omen oneways The only real advantage for Omen on Abyss in my comp that I see is his infinite smokes which is just not more valuable in my opinion than everything I just named, especially if you consider the way how Abyss should be played anyways (in my opinion) in a very fast paced style

Or give her 5 stars which allows her to be a better solo controller

@@some_random_dude13 she was broken though, you'd have to rework some things but it's not impossible. my ideal buff is to: make the recalls bloom for longer, and stars regenerate faster. ult maybe costs 1 less. you always have at least one star that regens like omen's. that way it's kinda 5 stars but you can't just place them all down at once for instant total map control, plus you get a mini version of viper's map control power by denying info in small moments with recalls. ult is to help the spam meta

@@jodgey4 She was broken when her abilities were stronger and other agents were generally weaker. Old astra would just be balanced nowadays

​@@Marcus-zt1wh but even with omen (at his same level as now) she was picked over him most of the time... it's hard to say. brim also should have one smoke that regens, while on the topic

no range for trips, quick ult recovery, allows for good lurking playstyle

people are very high on agressive cam copium

You get way more information and flexibility. Since there is no range

its basically breeze, not worth picking her and i say this as a kj player

@@yourbelovedautumn i wonder what issues you see on breeze that are also a factor on abyss because the maps have nothing in common

100% last slot Jett, maybe Chamber but probably Jett.

i haven’t played a comp like this yet but i would think that a harbour gekko combo is enough to get the spike down without needing sage to wall up esp with a cove to throw over wingman, so ig either keep sage for that extra security or play omen for post plant smokes and then for the 5th i always like jett. thoughts?

​@@vikingvfx5412sage is to protect wingmann from spam efficiently, cove cannot protect against odin, for example, and if we are in a spam meta, this will appear frequently. We might need to see sage on the map, even to slow rotates.

@@Malam_NightYoru after some more thinking, I actually think Astra over Sage is probably the go to. Her stun is actually solid anti-spam too, her Ult is round winning and the extra smokes are exceptional value.

nah, it is okay. Harbor/Omen is a duo never happened before

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