What Is The Abyss Meta?? | Part.1 Controllers & Sentinels 

Chad TMV trickshot 9:22

Certified Harbor map in my opinion

old chamber would be crazy on this map

There is indeed already a crazy trip on B for that jump spot that causes people to fall to their death.

This seems like an Astra renaissance coming, it seems like she would do well on this map with here smokes and ability to see all the map

This honestly can be a no duelist map because of how big it is, you'll prefer to just double up smokes and sentinels

18:33 the round is over 🙂

i'll play harbor in this map and innovate plants Also, TMV knows abt harbor ult being slower while walking backwards damn

My optimal comp as a theorycrafter: 1. Neon (quick rotations from odd rotation paths, lots of nice out of map skill jumps, very fast entry due to the buffs, fast follow up from initiator util). 2. Breach (Lots of long corridors in mid for free stun potential. Hard to clear rat corners for aftershock potential. Very large open areas for group flashes. This is by far the best breach map in the game calling it now.) 3. Harbor (yes not omen Im trolling gg ez I lost. No but honestly Harbor is better because of how open the map is. The cascade is one of the best ways to scale through the large mains where lots of team fights will happen and since this map is gonna be all about the post plant, cove is your best friend. Omen is better for the TikTok highlight clips). 4. Gekko (again post plants are your friends on attacker side, you gotta plant fast before rotations come in. Dizzy also clears a LOT of space, and Thrash is literally broken rn too. 5. Chamber (chamber’s back baby. Operator potential on this map is unreal. Trips aren’t really gonna be too helpful anyways since nobody should even go mid, but you still have one. Lots of get out of jail free card areas). Honorable Mentions: Deadlock (wall delays push for a LONG time for team to rotate over, gravnet is OP Sova: Drone can clear large open areas very quickly, and lots of cringe dart spots for reveals Omen: obviously, he’s got lots of TPs and his flash can clear the big open areas well, Sage: similar to deadlock, wall is annoying slow orbs are annoying, grim is annoying Agents to avoid: Yoru (tp’s will fall off the map you can’t just throw your tp anywhere), Clove (it’s a large map so if your Clove dies in any of the mains you’re forced to commit there, since there’s so many angles which you won’t have smokes for also the wide corridors doesn’t help the meddle)

Is it just me thinking this is asking for a double smoke meta

Buff brim and cloves smoke range, give astra another star and make harbours cascade and high tide stay up longer and there you go riot i fixed your controller issue

i wanna see astra harbor double controller comps on this map, just because they have the prettiest smoke and makes sense lore wise (i dont want to watch green green green across my screen when watching vct anymore)

Bets on guessing prx comp? I’m going Harbor- forsaken Omen- mindfreak Jett-something Gekko-David Neon-jingg

11:50 the phantom orb pick up :') I miss Viper RIP

@TMV! Please can you check and make an addendum in the next video if harbor wall slow prevents people from jumping the gaps!

Anyone know who sets up the “no views” bot ?

The big thing for cypher is controlling B danger with either the suicide trip or the landing trip and could be the same with deadlock as most wont walk jump and you can trap the landing and wall can force them to the jump spot or off of it. Im excited to get creative

Cool opinions, i love the info... i know it wont be meta but im sticking with Clove for now lol. All maps are Clove maps in solo queue imo. Between the amount of help you can give after death (even if you only turn 1 round into a win after death its more than you could do on any of the others) and the little heal and the ult for a 2nd life they are the best solo queue agent imo.

Thank you for having the controller video first 🙏

There is a Omen 1 ways on B that u can do for when they try and walk towards the narrow main, me and my friend found it and yeah kind of makes it so people window are the only people that can swing and even still hard asf

astra mains rejoice 🙌

I could definitely see Harbour Gekko Fade be run by PRX or someone, especially with the cove and wingman

im pretty sure harbor util slow will allow people to not make jumps, so it might be good then cuz u just send a cascade and they can't go

Finna practice my Odin skills

I think it's a Cypher map over Killjoy, but that's based on me also thinking it's a good Sova map. Haven't seen much in the way of lineups yet but I'm sure there's some to be found with all of the open roofs.

There are a ton of attack one ways but they are pretty hard to throw. Kanga Valorant made a video showing a ton that can be pretty powerful like ones in A heaven

I can see a lot of the “weaker” agent being good on this map I think gekko, deadlock, harbor, iso. The drop does add a lot of spice

imo, they shall vary the spike detonation time to make the maps more attack / defense sided as opposed to changing the map. this map should be like 55s bcz for the rotates

do we even need duelists on this map there is no small choke points?

Omen players have found some decent one ways for post plant.

astra can pull off of the map on A site if it's planted on the bridge

best comp in my eyes is jett, kayo, gekko, kj, omen because you have a ton of postplant util and also good ways to retake. the only reason i think omen over other controllers is because hes just all around the best solo controller and with the rest of the comp, it makes the most sense

i would say harbor or viper with omen or astra will be meta

will you give ur ideal complete team comp at the end of part 2?

man i wish there is an agent that can create viper ult smoke but smaller

I think it’s going to be harbor with viper map!

what if, as an idea for a new controller, we make a controller that has a smoke that only their team can see through. maybe if they had 3 of those smokes that would be OP, but maybe they could have just one of those one-way friendly smokes. maybe it could look exactly like their other normal smokes so the enemy would never know which smoke to be scared of. actually, that also sounds OP.

When players use mid zipline. Kj turret says no, deadlocks sound sensors say no, smoking of the jump point.

Not a sentinal or controller but i think pheonix will be pretty good with how open the map is his wall and flashes will probably find good value

when is this map playable in vct?

i think the meta will be harbor/astra, viper , kj, sage and sova or it will be the gekko double initiator comps

call me crazy but new iso could be pretty good on abyss. the wall is good for a lot of the longer lanes, his vulnerable is good for those lanes too and post plant/execs, his ult is good for post plant/execs/retake, and its an op map, with his buffed signature he can op way better. he would definitely have to be played alongside another duelist though because hes kind of a pseudo initiator i also think all sentinels can work on this map well for different reasons

Does Harbor walls slow enemies enough that they cant jump certain gaps on this map ?

I think this is probably going to be a double controller map ngl. For example, viper+harbor or viper+astra or omen+viper. Stuff like this might work. Edit: this was written before he stated all of this mb

Weird comp idea but hear me out Harbor: the only controller that can really get b sight smoked and push back the op, the cascade is a great space taker and is also good against op and cove for post plants Astra: her stars are universal and she has good stall for the large map or use Viper: she is great for stall and lurks also post plant mollies on attack Kj: she watches mid really well since post plant will be really important and stall for rotates her mollies are great and as always lockdown is busted Sage: I know it’s double controller and double sentinel but in combination with harbor you can’t stop the defuse and once more stall is great, her wall also makes a site take super easy Gekko: the flash will be able to hit all of site I could also see Kayo or Sova over astra or sage in some comps for info or flashes

Attack: Viper for A, harbor for B and kayo gekko double flash and 1 sentinel + 3 molly and extra if kj And for defence just molly and wall No duelist cuz you dont need to take a lot of space using movement in site Guys did i cook great cuisine or burned coal?? Edit: also breach, yoru,omen or chamber are good pick

More triple controller map?

I do disagree with viper. She won't be useless but I think with the defensive setups not being great and the attacking setups not really doing more than a sova drone would... I don't see how you go viper over a second initiator

Bro im turning my swag on

There is a one way for stairs on A heaven

Is wingman going to run off the cliff?

Harbor, Astra, gekko, breach & then raze, Jett or yoru depending

could phoenix be meta with the free ult orbs and hard chokepoints to go thru

Ryan getting that massive nerf is crazy

PRX are gonna cook on this map

my prediction Harbor Astra/Omen Cypher/Deadlock (?) Sova Raze/Jett/Neon Honorable mentions Sage, KJ, Chamber, Kayo

dont you think loud og same comp all map will work great too on this map

harbor for sure

welcome to pearl 2.0 the comp is literally harbor viper jett kj and breach its the pearl comp but with breach instead of skye or sova

riot has to remove the ability to see pings through smokes and walls to make spams not so simple that it becomes rediculous

I’m thinking the 2 best comps for this map at the moment are gonna be: Jett, Gecko, Harbor, Viper, Killjoy Or Jett, Gecko, Sova, Astra, Killjoy

If I had 1 RR for every time you said “right” I’d be radiant

Has any1 figuered out a lineup to get the wall consistently on the little nosle on b

Astra still needs a buff IMO. Astra (at least in ranked) is literally never played

Harbor will be META on this map

astra can pull people off the map, like deadass

Looks like we need controllers on the map, a great reason to nerf smokes again

kj, gekko, viper, sova/astra, duelist.

Unpopular opinion: Harbor cove + Iso shield meta?

They just kept nerfing viper to push her out from meta and they added viper sided map

the only bad part about this video was having to look at the red spline phantom

could cove lockdown be a thing

It’s good to establish this so Paper Rex can play none of them

Well done riot, you've made yet another spam heavy, viper/double controller map.

jett, kayo, harbor, astra, kiljoy this is my comp

Viper, Harbor, Gekko, Sage, Killjoy. U heared it hear first

triple smoke meta

This map is begging to go back to the 2022 triple sentinel meta

Omen map simple

Is having a sentinel even needed on this map?

I am a harbor main 🌊

YES HARBOR YES

Just another 2 controller map

Double orb smoke and smoke off both mid lanes on T side, defenders literally can't do shit about it

Viper has a > 0.0001% pick rate? Time to nerf viper

Deadlock map in my opinion

And because brim and cloves range is ass, we will play more viper/omen and maaaaybe astra (ho even likes astra) and then riot will nerf viper Aaaagain. Just increase brim and cloves range. Ima shoot somebody. (In game)

Where are the initiators ?

Professional viper hater

Honestly for me as a Brim main, i think this is gonna be the worst map for Brim. Even more than Breeze.

New generic ahh post plant meta just dropped

Spline phantom is so ugly wtf

More like Complaining Mans Valorant. smh my head

This map is garbage doesnt matter how i look at it is just bad

12s ago and no views? Fell off