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5 Trail Worthy Mountain Bikes Under $1,200 - 2020 Mountain Bikes 

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@giancarlolazarteamado7421
@giancarlolazarteamado7421 4 года назад
Ragley customer service told me that their bikes will be available end of August. Those ragley bikes are the best bang by far of any $1k I’ve ever seen.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thank you for the information! Seems to be a lot of interest in those bikes with good reason. They look incredible for the price.
@Basement_CNC
@Basement_CNC 4 года назад
True the big al is probably the best bang for your Buck and farly capable and If later Change the fork it's all you ever need on the dh's the Vitus is but the brakes are really Bad( i have a Vitus escarpe vr 2019 and it's really nice
@denismacfarlane255
@denismacfarlane255 4 года назад
Yes I wanta HT and Big Al is the one.
@MyNameSucksBad82
@MyNameSucksBad82 4 года назад
@@Basement_CNC I had the Vitus and had nothing but problems with the brakes. awful bike.
@caspar7370
@caspar7370 4 года назад
Calibre bossnut is even better in my opinion
@brianbryan6636
@brianbryan6636 4 года назад
you did a better budget bike list then any list anyone has out there.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Well thanks so much! That's a very nice comment
@keiferrussell8543
@keiferrussell8543 4 года назад
And that’s a fact
@tazmania4513
@tazmania4513 4 года назад
Amazing list and review! Thanx for the tips!!! 👍
@MarkVanWey
@MarkVanWey 4 года назад
Forget COVID, good luck getting a Ragley at any time. They make a batch for the year & that's it. Best bikes in the list though.
@lossantoscity3249
@lossantoscity3249 4 года назад
Yeap, Most of these bikes are limited number not really for the masses like GT or Giant.
@Hawk-qn2zk
@Hawk-qn2zk 4 года назад
At $1249 I sprang for the Vitus Sentier VR 27. SX Eagle 11-50 gear range, dropper post, Shimano brakes, and Bomber Z2 forks. Cheaper than upgrading the components later in my opinion. And I have personally never come across another Vitus in San Antonio Texas.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
I really wanted to include that bike because it is such a fantastic value. I'm actually considering it for myself. That's cool you have one in San Antonio! Hope I see it on the trails.
@omarcarrillos2727
@omarcarrillos2727 4 года назад
Perfect timing, I was ready to drop some $$$$ on a Marlin 6.
@shwndh
@shwndh 4 года назад
Omar Carrillos For the price, the Marlin is not a bad 1st mountain bike. It can be updated but it’s only held back a bit by its non-tapered headtube. But if you bump up the budget to one of these bikes on this list, you get a lighter bike with a much better parts spec you don’t necessarily have to upgrade and enjoy on the trails as is.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
I think the Marlin is a good bargain when bought used. I bought my girlfriend the one in this video for $200 and it's perfect for her occasional riding. New I think they are too expensive, when you can spend just a little extra and get something that needs absolutely no upgrades for a long time. Glad the video was helpful to you!
@v2urban358
@v2urban358 4 года назад
Cobra Kyle what website did you get the bike from ?
@jameskatz3747
@jameskatz3747 4 года назад
U mean $$$ rather than $$$$
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
@@v2urban358 I bought it used on craigslist
@reeceabob8555
@reeceabob8555 4 года назад
This is the best list for mtbs I've every seen. You actually know what your talking about! ..lol.. great video! I was originally looking at the specialized rockhopper but now I will look into the nukeproof. Thanks!
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks so much! I think you'll be very happy with that Nukeproof. It's an impressive bike at that price point! Just gotta be patient as I think they are still sold out.
@Chris-de2qc
@Chris-de2qc 4 года назад
also check out the specialized fuse 27.5 @ $1250
@Accu53Mation
@Accu53Mation 3 года назад
The Ragley BIG Al. Definitely a ass-kicker on any enduro trail. And I outclimb weenie on a FS rig. Narrowed the tired to 29X2.35(easier to remove on those clampy 30mm rims. Installed a Zeron fork(the Rockshox, got corroded through a single Winter), Put-on a dropper post, Xpedo platform pedals, and a Victagen headlight for insane night singletrack. Recently changed-out the Deore for SRAM NX/GX. Now using a BlueFlow BF37 rim, on the front. A bad-looking, weight-weenie ass kicker.
@Jon-nz3dm
@Jon-nz3dm 4 года назад
2019 Nukeproof Scout 29er owner here...they're amazing bikes for the money. Great hardtail for DFW trails. I swapped the tires(came with OEM Forekasters) and added a PNW Rainier dropper(w/ loam lever of course) and it's pretty much perfect to me now.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks for sharing! I really want to try one out. I love PNW droppers too! DFW has some cool trails too. Was up there a couple months ago and had a good time.
@connoro.2780
@connoro.2780 4 года назад
I am no mountain bike expert, but I got the 2020 Rocky Mountain growler at the beginning of the season. Granted I haven't been out as much as I would've hoped but this bike so far is great. It comes in around $1000 but at my local bike shop since it's the 2020 model i got it for $800 but got a dropper installed to make it back to $1000. It is only a 9 speed but still tackles hills and descents
@connoro.2780
@connoro.2780 4 года назад
Just realized this was posted 2 months ago but still hope I helped someone
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks for sharing! It's awesome to have a dropper under $1,000. I like Rocky Mountain bikes. They look really nice.
@jasiahstarr
@jasiahstarr 3 года назад
this seems like an amazing list, but literally every bike is sold out everywhere
@Mushroomman00
@Mushroomman00 3 года назад
I don’t know a tremendous amount about MTB but vitus makes a few other models that are around 700 usd and are very decent bikes. In stock
@CTroller
@CTroller 4 года назад
Every one of these bikes is sold out on Chainreactioncycles as of May 2020, pretty disappointing
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Yeah it's unfortunate, but they are pretty good about restocking every two weeks or so. You can sign up for an email alert for the bike you're interested in, and then you'll be the first to know when it's available.
@Srdeo33
@Srdeo33 4 года назад
I don’t think it is just chain reaction. With covid19, stock everywhere is pretty low or sold out.
@cove6433
@cove6433 4 года назад
yeah I've been watching it for months, hasn't been in stock, so this video isn't helpful
@joshuahubbard7300
@joshuahubbard7300 4 года назад
@@cove6433 can be if you look at it like this man, a lot of people who bought those bikes are not going to seriously ride them and they will end up back on the market at steep discounts. just keep an eye on social media and pinkbike. I literally picked up a trek fuel ex 9 for 600 on facebook, scratches here and there and stuff, but old guy bought it thinking he would ride the hell out of it and it almost broke him lol. Point is ppl are throwing away money on dumb shit that they will never use at this point because they are fuking bored...so just wait, the after covid deal will hit social media in no time man
@aslmx1918
@aslmx1918 4 года назад
Yep you have to be fast when they get them in stock. I’ve been trying to get a Vitus for months. I read somewhere that bike sales are up 500%
4 года назад
This is better than most of the lists I’ve seen. The only other bike I would put in the list would be a Breezer. But they were supposedly raising their prices.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks so much! I checked on Breezer, but I only saw the Breezer Lightning for $3,000. Are you outside of the U.S.? Maybe they offer cheaper models elsewhere.
@remer83
@remer83 4 года назад
Bought the Nukeproof Scout 290 in March and i'm so glad i did. The bike is perfect.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Very cool! I'd love to get my hands on one to demo. Seems like a really sweet bike.
@JJH-jc1fg
@JJH-jc1fg 4 года назад
May I ask where you purchased it from? I’ve been looking everywhere for a few months and it’s sold out :(
@mr.roboto7
@mr.roboto7 4 года назад
2020 Specialized Fuse 27.5+. Rockshock 130mm fork, Shimano Deore 10spd (1x), Tubeless ready, 66 degree head-tube angle, 74 degree seat-tube angle, and it comes with a TranzX dropper post. All for $1,250. Now that’s a bargain.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
It is a great bike! I wanted to include it, but I was very strict on myself about staying under $1,200 lol
@Emo666Cali
@Emo666Cali 4 года назад
My CO-OP bike is badass 1.2 Drt medium 5'6 it's to 5' 9" $995.00 and runs like a dam truck it's a monster that's light and I haul ass on it for a mountain bike it sounds like a monster truck going down the sidewalk lock shocks and kenda tires are awesome !! I hate to make you guys cry I got it at a pawn shop for $299.00 on my birthday it's a $995:bike and I love it the body carbon fiber I cant scratch the paint tried woods dropped it played it up on metal rails no scratches it's always new going through water puddles' mud. Trails. And park sidewalks it's the mountain bike that hauls ass very fun !!! I had 1000's of bike the co-op bikes are badass !! Shifters are freaking amazing " the crank is tank " one badass crank system.. disc breaks sounds like stopping a dam monster truck freaks people out on the sidewalks lolz @.@ !! I get a big laugh out of that every time especially when they talk Spanish it's hilarious.. anyways it rules I think they're part of cannondale series I'm 50 years old now and I feel like im a teenager I ride it all over my city and sidewalk trails on this i love it if you find one you will to ' promise !@! Just get a back rack from walmart put a 1 person tent on it and a fishing pole love the outdoors get away from the miserable people and find yourself again.. this is what did it for me the drone thing won't do it I tried boring ' enjoy it if you get it I had mine 2 months now a d it's like a new bike everytime I get on it and its reliable it actually almost fixed itself if the chain pops off Itook my foot off the pedals laughed the crank went backwards chain popped back on and I was like OK !! @.@ lolz hell ya !! Off we went these bikes are awesome!@ what more can I say I live in the woods it rains it gets dirty it dont rust up I use wd40 white lightning spray $10.00 @ the most important + I'm good .. specs you can find at co op bikes online or watch thg hat crazy guy touring around the country I'm just telling you I'm having fun at the end of my life on a bike God picked for me just walking into a oawn shop changed my life forever... God bless be safe.. Danny C
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks for sharing your story and I'm glad you got into cycling! I'll have to try out a Co-Op if I can get my hands on one. I've always been curious about how they perform.
@Dark__Thoughts
@Dark__Thoughts 4 года назад
I am really impressed by Ragleys price to performance ratio, especially compared to the competition - and they have one of the coolest looking emblems. Especially the Nukeproof Scout Comp, because for 200 bucks more (so, 1,4k) you can already get the Mmmbop form Ragley (64 degrees + 150mm travel). But I would wait for bikes to come out with the new Shimano Deore M6100 groupset, since a lot of the current bikes come with the crappy SRAM SX Eagle set, which has some quality issues. The Deore set is also compatible with the higher tiered one by sets, so you can easily upgrade individual parts if you want or something eventually breaks or is worn out. If I were rich and had the tools and knowledge I'd probably build a bike with the Mmmbop frame, which even is in black.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
A friend of mine wants the Mmmbop, and I can see why. Looks like a gnarly beast! I'm excited for the Deore 12 speed. I prefer Shimano drivetrains as they feel a little more crisp to me. I haven't had the chance to use the SX Eagle yet, but my hardtail has the NX Eagle. It does the job ok, so I don't have a ton of faith in the SX. I hope you can get your Ragley someday!
@zaydansari4408
@zaydansari4408 3 года назад
Themes in a lot of these best bike for $ videos are: 1. Vitus is king 2. Small-ish British brands are consistently breaking into the value topping lists. While they used to be niche makers of high end bikes.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 3 года назад
Vitus is really hard to beat right now! I'm excited to see all the 2021 models. Every brand is seeming to get more and more competitive with their builds at lower costs.
@mtbboy1993
@mtbboy1993 3 года назад
9:22 a thing to note is this is the low end version so it does not have thru axle at the rear of the frame, it has skewers, unlike the top model that has tru axle. XCM fork is garbage, but nice geometry on that bike.
@JabRok86
@JabRok86 3 года назад
Was looking at the base San Quentin but the lack of rear thru axle definitely put me off, bit of a shame that they don't point it out more, gonna try get a scout now
@mtbboy1993
@mtbboy1993 3 года назад
@@JabRok86 they should have kept the frame the same. sadly they did not.
@JabRok86
@JabRok86 3 года назад
@@mtbboy1993 ye, would be a nice choice for a lot of people if it had that upgrade ability
@adrianszabelski8105
@adrianszabelski8105 3 года назад
@@mtbboy1993 ye ik i emailed them about they said its as they cant fit it in tyhe pricepoint lol nukeproofs 600 kids bike has thru axles front and rear
@byrdb90
@byrdb90 4 года назад
I bought my girlfriend a drt 2.1 on sale last week for 1100 it’s got a 1x12 drivetrain, dropper post, and 140mm air fork upfront. Pretty good spec for that price.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
That's a pretty awesome deal! I've seen the Co-op bikes on the trail, but never knew a ton about them. I may have included that bike here, but the retail price is $1,300 :(
@byrdb90
@byrdb90 4 года назад
Cobra Kyle for sure, I’m hadn’t heard or seen any out on the trail. I do value the easy warranty process and the ability to get it easily serviced though. My personal bike was a direct to consumer polygon d6 which was only 999 for a full suspension setup before the covid bike craze. Though I’m stuck servicing my own.
@Benshurtleff
@Benshurtleff 4 года назад
Great video. I’m not a beginner, but you explained things very well for people who are!
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Awesome! That's exactly what I was hoping to accomplish.
@Basement_CNC
@Basement_CNC 4 года назад
Also there is the Radon cragger it has an 35 Gold fork and an 12speed drivetrain , best bang-for-buck Bike ever💸😍
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Yeah that bike is sick! They unfortunately don't import them to the U.S. so didn't include it as most my audience is over here :(
@DanielSanchez-er6md
@DanielSanchez-er6md 3 года назад
Getting into mountain biking, ran across your 5 Best MTB Under 800 and then your 5 Trail Worth MTB under 1,200 vids, and likely will be purchasing the Nukeproof Comp. Thanks for the informative Video!
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 3 года назад
Thanks Daniel! The Nukeproof Scout is an awesome choice!
@colincampbell3476
@colincampbell3476 4 года назад
I watch pretty much every bike video and this was the most helpful!!!
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks so much! That's awesome to hear. I'm working on a full suspension version of this list right now, so stay tuned for that.
@kikoy08
@kikoy08 3 года назад
June 2021 and all the price indicated are now 25 to 45% much higher 😊😊😊😊
@mtbboy1993
@mtbboy1993 3 года назад
8:40 I've read that you can't use aftermarket chain rings on this crank set, and have to buy Sr Suntour, so no oval chainring. So I would have to change tthe crank set.
@dandemore8057
@dandemore8057 4 года назад
Those Ragleys are looking pretty sweet.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
I agree! I've been considering selling the NS for a different hardtail. All the Ragleys are looking great.
@justsomeguy3467
@justsomeguy3467 2 года назад
Marin Quentin 3 test proven would be my choice..new models have perfect geometry
@ChrisCXK
@ChrisCXK 4 года назад
I started on that Marlin 5, I think it was a good starter since I had NEVER stuck with riding a bike in the past haha. Listen to Kyle if you think theres even a 30% chance you'll want to stick with it. Worst case: You end up with a bike you wont ride but will have better resale chances! Its crazy to see so many people interested in riding. We'll see if they start to fall off with the heat getting so bad here now.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
I started on a Trek 3700 which was probably even worse than the Marlin lol. I paid around $200 for the Marlin I have for Jenna to learn to ride, and for that it's perfect. For any serious mountain biking, I'd steer away from that thing.
@charlieerekuff2334
@charlieerekuff2334 3 года назад
Thanks so much for this video. I appreciate no sponsorship and honesty
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 3 года назад
Thank you! I strive to always keep this channels reviews honest. I'm glad it's appreciated!
@PeterBluth
@PeterBluth 4 года назад
Hey Cobra Kyle, just got my alert from Chain Reaction that the Ragley Marley was back in stock. I ordered it and am so grateful I did. Thanks for the great review. So pumped to ride this beast.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
That is so awesome! I'm stoked for you! It looks like such an amazing bike, and I'm trying to get my hands on one for a review. Hopefully that becomes a reality! Enjoy your new bike.
@jasonwilkerson9966
@jasonwilkerson9966 4 года назад
Peter Bluth, could you tell me who you spoke with? I would like to grab one as well, but I am in the US. Thanks
@PeterBluth
@PeterBluth 4 года назад
@@CobraKyle The Nukeproof Scout 275 Race is back in stock if you were looking for that. Just got the alert this morning!
@timwhite6707
@timwhite6707 4 года назад
When COVID popped off I picked up the Commencal origin ht and it’s really made this pandemic manageable. Spend most morning out hitting the local jump lines and trails. Not the greatest at climbing but that was not a priority for me ha. Perfect whip for someone who wants a DJ style bike with more room for trail riding.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Very lucky to have gotten one! Riding has been great during Covid. The Commencal definitely looks like the most fun bike downhill and jumping wise!
@Jshep_97
@Jshep_97 4 года назад
Aventuron has the Salsa Timberjack 27.5 SLX in pepto-bismol for $1,199. Have 8 rides in absolutely love it!! Slays Central Texas Knar
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
I like the Timberjack. I wanted to include it, but I based all this pricing off full retail. The base Timberjack is $1,250 on Salsa's website, so just missed the cut!
@xxsoulpatchxx3362
@xxsoulpatchxx3362 4 года назад
I am also interested in a budget full squish video like this one. Great job Kyle. New sub here, thx for all you do to help to inform us. Ride hard and stay safe.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks for subscribing Ed! I'd be happy to do a full suspension video like this. What would you think would be a good budget? I'm thinking $2,500 or less.
@xxsoulpatchxx3362
@xxsoulpatchxx3362 4 года назад
@@CobraKyle Yessir, I was thinking around the same, that being on the "high end" and most around two grandish.
@craigandresen2456
@craigandresen2456 4 года назад
I’m interested in this as well. Looking for a new ride for the wife. This list perfectly covers the sweetspot for a bargain hardtail but with what you deem all the necessary features (and I fully agree!). I’d love to see your take on full suspension options!
@craigandresen2456
@craigandresen2456 4 года назад
Ah, I see the full squish video is out! Thank you!
@ajs0350
@ajs0350 4 года назад
800$ calibre bossnut
@PeterBluth
@PeterBluth 4 года назад
The Nukeproof Scout 275 Race is back in stock if you were looking for that. Just got the alert this morning! Act fast, bikes around $1000 are moving fast.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks Peter! Nukeproof also just announced the 2021 Scout will be available on September 14, so just another week if you want the newer model!
@stereobangbang
@stereobangbang 4 года назад
I have a vitus sentier vr, which was 1200 or so, and i absolutely love it. Adds a 12 speed sram sx, and dropper seatpost to everything you mentioned in the video. Wholeheartedly recommend as a hardtail that offers a great upgrade path. There’s also the vitus mythique for around the same money which gets you full suspension. That I haven’t had any person experience with though. Great video
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thank you! I love the Sentier VR. I considered upping the budget on this video just to include that one, but "bikes under $1,250" didn't sound as catchy. I really want to ride both the Sentier and Mythique. I've done enough research on both that I think it would be an awesome bike.
@midoriya7451
@midoriya7451 4 года назад
Some solid bikes right there Kyle, Great Job
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks a lot Patrick Star!
@grooveseeker6269
@grooveseeker6269 4 года назад
Yo, does tektro brakes are good. At least as good as m315 from shimano (give or take). I dont know about reliability though
@tristanplatts8869
@tristanplatts8869 4 года назад
It’s funny. The Marlin 7 2021 literally added the exact parts you recommended but the price only went up $40 from the 2020 model! Boy do manufacturers get deals on parts! Awesome video though, helped me a lot in my research.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
I'm glad the video was helpful. I saw the Marlin 7 when it was announced. It's definitely an improvement for 2021, but they still didn't give it thru axles :(
@DickeyFitzwell
@DickeyFitzwell 3 года назад
Thank you i just realized what i need as an aggressive rider with a budget. You rock mister and thank you. God bless ya my friend
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 3 года назад
Glad it helped! Thanks for watching!
@drawnbody51
@drawnbody51 4 года назад
I'll keep it simple I've got the chance to nab a brand new Orange Five Factory 2018 frame (size medium) for £1300 (worth £2000) and a downhill mtb build kit for £700 (worth £1900 apparently) which includes: Fork: RockShox Boxxer Team, 27.5", CL, black, firm (steerer - 145mm) Tyres (x2): Maxxis High Roller II 27.5"x2.4", Super Tacky, 3C Crankset: SRAM Descendant DH, 165mm, 36T, 83mm, black Drivetrain: SRAM GX DH 7-Speed (shifter, rear derailleur, cassette) Chain Guide: MRP G3 Steel, ISCG-05, 34-38T Brakes: SRAM Guide RE, gloss black Rotors (x2): SRAM Centreline, 200mm Is this over kill for my first trail bike? I've never done downhill or ridden many trails so I'm basically a novice. Something to note is that I'm 5ft10" and my current bike is an XL frame as I knew nothing about sizing at the time and just went and bought it lol. Will this Orange Five being a medium, will it be okay for me as its the only size available at this reduced price. I currently own a 2016 Scott aspect 900 29' XC mtb and its perfect for long distance and can handle itself off road and on nice single track nothing too technical. But really struggles on those steeper and more advanced trails. Especially being a 29er and XL frame. Hence why I'm delving into the more trail oriented bikes. Any help and / or advice would be greatly appreciated cheers lads and lasses.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Hi John. I think the frame would make a great trail bike, but the parts might be a bit too much for normal riding conditions. The Boxxer is a downhill specific fork, and the 7 speed drivetrain would make climbing difficult. The tires and brakes you mentioned would be great, but I would recommend a 150mm fork with a 10, 11, or 12 speed drivetrain. That would give you more of an all around bike. Enough suspension travel for going up and coming back down! I'm 6' tall and always ride a large. You might be ok on a medium, but I think a Large might suit you better.
@drawnbody51
@drawnbody51 4 года назад
@@CobraKyle amazing amount of information thank you so much. I've seen a 2020 orange p7 brand new so might jump at that! It will get the ball rolling on my journey into mountain biking. I assume you still recommend a size large? And do you have any experience with he p7? Cheers!!!
@brianandbarikelly5349
@brianandbarikelly5349 3 года назад
Great list! Thanks for all the research. Too bad nothing is available atm. I will stay on the lookout. What are your thoughts on the 2021 Polygon Xtrada 7? Similar components, geometry and price. Anyone have any experience with them?
@agomezlourido
@agomezlourido 3 года назад
I’m wondering the same?
@westsidechalino
@westsidechalino 4 года назад
You can get a sicker bike used on FB or Craigslist
@lmandrums3118
@lmandrums3118 4 года назад
I just bought a 2019 Raleigh Tokul 3 last month. It is an amazing bike I just wished I had got a bike with air sus because I hate Coil. If I had discovered this video sooner I totally would have gotten the Nukeproof Scout 27.5. GREAT VIDEO!!!! great research! keep up the great work!
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks a lot! The Tokul is a pretty cool bike! My buddy had one and he rode that thing hard! The scout is such a nice bike. I kind of want to get one!
@bruder211
@bruder211 4 года назад
I would definitely recommend the trek Roscoe 7 Great bike had it for 1 year now 1099€ Dropper post 120m fork rockshox Judy silver sl 27.5+tiers 2.8 wide Sram sx eagle groupset Great geometry and great head tube angle Internal cablerouting and more
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
I do like the Roscoe. They do have great geometry. My only reason for not including it is the rear wheel hub spacing. If they update it to a boost thru axle, I think it would be the most perfect bike. It's still great, but would love to see a thru axle on it.
@adrianszabelski8105
@adrianszabelski8105 4 года назад
no thru axle and worser geo for them steep trails wont work well for me but depends where you ride
@noviceinvestoruk2955
@noviceinvestoruk2955 3 года назад
Can't seem to get any stock of the Vitus or Nukeproof in Scotland just now - hoping for something in the next two weeks though! excellent video, liked and subscribed 👍
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 3 года назад
They are super hard to get because they are so popular. I appreciate you subscribing and glad you enjoyed the video!
@AlessandroBergomi
@AlessandroBergomi 4 года назад
Glad you mentioned the Vitus Sentier. I believe it is undervalued just because it’s a british brand. You should also check out Whyte bikes. Cheers
@oklahotb3217
@oklahotb3217 4 года назад
Vitus and Ragley just aren't known on this side of the pond. Same with Whyte.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
I was considering a Whyte full suspension back when I bought my Jeffsy. They have some nice looking bikes. As OklahOTB mentioned, we rarely see them over here though :(
@AlessandroBergomi
@AlessandroBergomi 4 года назад
Cobra Kyle I agree we don’t see them. That doesn’t make them any less good than others. Stanton for example has a terrific range of hardtails
@stef4n983
@stef4n983 3 года назад
Which one would be the best for riding around but also hitting dirt jumps
@ducdang3113
@ducdang3113 3 года назад
oh my god this list is what I've been searching for, dropping a sub!
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 3 года назад
Thanks so much! Glad it's helpful!
@Sentient6ix
@Sentient6ix 4 года назад
This has been a really helpful buyers guide type thing. I'm probably gonna try n find a Nuke Proof 29er for myself.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks Adam! I'm glad it's helpful. I think the Scout is a rad option. May have to wait for the 2021 model since everything is basically still sold out.
@ShutUpandRideMTB
@ShutUpandRideMTB 4 года назад
Damn good list Kyle!
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks Matt! All this research made me want to drop some serious cash on a new fleet.
@ShutUpandRideMTB
@ShutUpandRideMTB 4 года назад
@@CobraKyle Hard to believe the Yeti SB100 didn't make it on the list? When you coming on my Podcast!?
@ThePszemko
@ThePszemko 4 года назад
@@ShutUpandRideMTB is suppose Yeti SB100 is way too expensive for this list, as it costs roughly $5,700 (price in Poland - if you can get this one for $1,200 let me know where, please!)
@ShutUpandRideMTB
@ShutUpandRideMTB 4 года назад
@@ThePszemko I was joking with my friend, cheers!
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
@@ShutUpandRideMTB Lol Matt! I didn't see your comment. I'm horrible at this. I'm free anytime for your podcast! I'd love to be a part of it!
@flatlandrider2369
@flatlandrider2369 4 года назад
Good video. Despite the appearance of a very good value, I wouldn't buy the one with the X-Fusion fork. I had a "Trace" model that lasted a whopping 5 rides before the damper (cartridge style) blew. Maybe the RC32 is better. I won't buy that brand again, as they did not respond to my request for support.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks for sharing that info! I would certainly recommend a Rockshox or Fox over X-Fusion. Too bad they wouldn't even respond for support. That's just the worst when you can't contact a company!
@medievalman3737
@medievalman3737 4 года назад
Just bought a 2020 devinci kobain ht awesome bike but tires are definitely lacking just ordered new tires hope that helps the lack of grip nice video!
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks for the insight on those tires! Manufacturers have to cut costs somewhere and I had a feeling that's what those Kendas are. On my hardtail I'm running Teravail Kennebec and Cumberland 2.8 tires and I really like them.
@medievalman3737
@medievalman3737 4 года назад
I was gonna run 2.8s but I ended up with 2.5 wt Maxxis aggressor rear and dhf front combo hopefully takes the floaty feeling out of the bike!
@scotsbear1
@scotsbear1 3 года назад
How about Merida Big Trail 400.....29” , 66 degree head tube angle, dropper post, through axle, tubeless ready, shimano Deore 1*10, shimano hydraulic 180mm disc front and rear, all internal cable routing. Priced at £1000 in u.k. Got one for my son and it’s awesome.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 3 года назад
I do like the new Big Trails! I don't think they were released at the time I filmed this video, or I couldn't find pricing on them. Can't recall which, but yes it's a sweet bike!
@biker8797
@biker8797 4 года назад
How about a budget full suspension like the polygon siskiu d5
@ChrisFontenot
@ChrisFontenot 4 года назад
I just bought a Siskiu D7 and lovin' it so far
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
I'll have to take a look at those. I've heard the name before, but don't know much about them. I'm thinking of doing another video like this for full suspension!
@joshwood3
@joshwood3 4 года назад
Take a look at bikes direct. They have great FS bikes at that price range. You need to pay around 1.5k for one with modern geometry, though.
@jodhikusuma3857
@jodhikusuma3857 4 года назад
Finally somebody mentions polygon😊😊😊
@evanloudenback3700
@evanloudenback3700 4 года назад
Love the video! I'm newly addicted to trail riding and am debating upgrading my 20 year old bike, any thoughts on the Co Op bikes from REI? They seem to be the only ones in stock at the moment. Also, would a modern hard tail serve me better than a 20 year old full suspension (Gary Fisher Joshua F3)? Looking forward to more content :)
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks! I don't know much about the Co-Op bikes. I see them on my local trails a decent amount. . The DRT 2.1 is the closest competitor to this list at $1,300. It does offer a 12 speed cassette and dropper post which are all nice features. As far as comparing to your Gary Fisher, I think a modern hardtail might be better. It will have more confidence inspiring geometry along with all the modern bike standards, and probably weigh less. Not to say the Gary Fisher wouldn't work just fine, but I think if you're learning the basics, you'd have more fun on something modern.
@bert3566
@bert3566 3 года назад
I've got a co-op drt 1.1. It's really great! I love doing jumps and going down hill. The only con is it's a little heavy.
@danielbaumgartner9945
@danielbaumgartner9945 4 года назад
I was all amped up to buy one of these bikes after watching this video last night. In order, my choice was: Vitus, Nukeproof, and Ragley. So I jump around the interwebs trying to buy one. I couldn't buy even one of the three. Great review but being able to buy the bikes you review would be even better!
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Yeah it sucks they are sold out right now. Bikes are high in demand due to the pandemic. I think them being sold out also shows how good these options are. Chain Reaction usually restocks every 2-4 weeks in my experience, so hopefully you won't have to wait too long to get one!
@downtoridemtb
@downtoridemtb 4 года назад
All good options. I’ve ridden a Nukeproof Scout and it was great! I should point my viewers to you’re end section about the Marlin. I’ve done some similar videos at lower price points and I get countless questions about the Marlin. Like you, I don’t see the value in it.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks a lot! That would be awesome. I got a comment the other day from someone asking about the Marlin, and that kind of inspired this video. If the Marlin was $300 I'd say go for it, but between $600 and $800 you can do a lot better for a little more money. I really like the Nukeproof Scout! I'd love to demo one....or buy one.
@downtoridemtb
@downtoridemtb 4 года назад
Cobra Kyle I just shared your video as a public post on my channel. First time doing one of those!
@dozerthecat
@dozerthecat 3 года назад
Don't forget $150 shipping for vitus.
@marcoscaraveo4487
@marcoscaraveo4487 3 года назад
Hi Cobra Kyle, Great video! What 2020/2021 Hardtail would you recommend for trail riding? Budget is $1K to $1.3K
@paulchristiansen8515
@paulchristiansen8515 4 года назад
some very cool machines for sure, treck 6 or 7 are net 🤔
@Daniel_Cooley
@Daniel_Cooley 4 года назад
How does the Specialized Fuse Comp ans the Trek Roscoe 7 compare to the Vitus Sentier? I'm looking for my first mountain bike. I'm worried that I wont be able to get the Vitus worked on at the 2 local shops near me since they only carry Trek and Specialized.
@Daniel_Cooley
@Daniel_Cooley 4 года назад
Or is it worth it to get the Virus and just try to learn as I break the bike? Lol
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Hi Daniel! Both those bikes are nice! I really want to like the Roscoe, but my biggest issue with it is the rear wheel hub spacing/dropout. It isn't the boost 148 spacing with a thru axle like almost all other bikes in this price range offer. That decreases stiffness in the rear and makes wheel upgrades more difficult in the future. The Fuse comp offers a lot, but in my findings it's only offered in a 29" wheel. It's also $1,675, so a bit more costly. Take a look at the Vitus Sentier VR or VRS model. Offered in both 27.5 or 29, and offers similar components to both the Roscoe and Fuse. The VRS is $1,600, but does offer an impressive spec list. The Nukeproof and Ragley both offer a higher spec model of the Scout and Marley, so if you are willing to spend a little more than the $1,200 budget of this list, then those are some fantastic values as well. Also, any bike shop will work on any bike. If they guilt you for buying a different brand than what they sell, then you would want to find a different bike shop. I have a YT bike which is sold direct to consumer, and my local shop that sells Specialized happily works on it and does a great job. Long story short, I would just avoid the Roscoe due to the rear hub spacing, but the Fuse or any of these other bikes would be an awesome bike to get started on! Best of luck to you, and let me know what you end up getting!
@Daniel_Cooley
@Daniel_Cooley 4 года назад
@@CobraKyle Thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to help me out, I really appreciate it!
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
@@Daniel_Cooley No problem! I'm happy to help!
@Max_Rowley
@Max_Rowley 4 года назад
Daniel Cooley both my local Trek shop and Specialized specific bike shop works on my nukeproof without any questions along , so most bike shops will work on any bike even if they don’t sell it.
@jk1168
@jk1168 4 года назад
This video turned me on to the Big Al and I’ve been staking it for weeks, but I saw the Nukeproof was available yesterday and just jumped to that. Didn’t even remember Nukeproof was on this video. Haha.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Both good choices! I'm trying to get my hands on the Ragley to do an in depth review cause it seems like such an incredible value.
@mjkb0566
@mjkb0566 4 года назад
cobra kyle you helped me on my decision i wanted the ragley marley but the vitus i think is best as i dont want to blow a huge budget, i just need to save up and thank you once again ur great
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
I'm glad this video was helpful to you! Both bikes are a great option. I appreciate the comment!
@carloscampos3684
@carloscampos3684 4 года назад
I just bought a giant talon 1 2021 29er. Just started on my mtb journey a year ago and already upgraded from a Jamie's durango to my giant talon. The jamis just wasn't cutting it so far the giant is keeping up but see myself upgrading in a year or so. Just dont know if i should stick to a 29er or get a 27.5 or full suspension bike as well.
@harrygrimley4352
@harrygrimley4352 3 года назад
Thank you sir for this review. I was looking at the trek Marlin 7 but now maybe not. More research is needed.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 3 года назад
Glad it was helpful Harry! The Marlin isn't the worst thing ever, but I think they are a bit expensive compared to what the competition offers.
@harrygrimley4352
@harrygrimley4352 3 года назад
@@CobraKyle what do you think of the rock hopper ?
@mtbboy1993
@mtbboy1993 3 года назад
So far the cheapest frame I found is Ragley mmmbop, 63deg head angle, decent sizing, but their recommended sizes are not that good, also I need a larger frame than what they offer. also the chainstay stays same length through the sizes. Those are features you will rarely see, even on high end bikes but that are lovely and my bike has: no replicable threads on post mount, the bottom chainguide mounts But several bike brands do it but I for got the names.
@fackerhidonbush8420
@fackerhidonbush8420 3 года назад
Seeing what you can get for ~1100$ i am glad i build my bike for 1000$ with 12s deore transmision, dt wheels, recon fork, 4pots deore breaks(with 203mm disc) and tranzx dropper. Yeah for only 1000$ and all components were brand new.
@joshuahubbard7300
@joshuahubbard7300 4 года назад
I understand why it didnt make the actual list but because no thru axle in the rear, but man the Scott Scale should have gotten a mention lol. Thing is awesome, stock with 29s, nx eagle 12 speed, shimano mt400 (I think is what they were, I upgraded to hope tech's) brakes, a Rockshox Judy fork, and maxxis tires all right under the 1200 price point. I have been rocking mine for about 5 months now and sure I have massively upgraded everything at this point, stock this thing was fun as hell.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Good pick! I've test ridden the Scott Spark full suspension and it was a blast. The Scale is more XC oriented, and I was focusing on the trail bike category more. It is a good spec though for $1,200!
@iliumis
@iliumis 4 года назад
Almost two months ago i realy wanted to buy Nukeproof Scout (1st in list) mainly because i liked how it looked, however due to limited budget i decided to purchase Ragley Marley 2.0 27.5 (2nd in list), as well as 170mm dropper post for aditional 180€ and front fender for €9 that i've saved. And i did not regret this decission for the second. i've rode more than 500km with it (including stairs, trails and jumps), and i had no problem with the bike yet. And boy, the pictures does not do a justice for the bike, it's color is really vibrant. Reply bellow if you will have any questions, maybe i will be able to answet them.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
I'm glad you like the Ragley! It's a super cool bike and I would love to try one out someday. I'm thinking of selling my hardtail and getting a new one, and Ragley is near the top of my list. Thanks for sharing the info on your bike!
@drawnbody51
@drawnbody51 4 года назад
Nice dude. You got Instagram or post any pics anywhere? I'm in the market for a trails based mtb and was set on the Orange Five but I just don't know
@iliumis
@iliumis 4 года назад
@@drawnbody51 Hey, Im not so active on social media, except you can find me on Strava under the name Julius Stelmokaitis. If you Dont have the app (or similar), i strongly recommend it as well, me and the friends have lot of fun with it, while creating custom segments and comparing stats. There's not many posts of bike there yet, however maybe you can make out something from few of them. I'm tagged in one video from a trip on instagram, my name "youloose_", it's not much, as we are still new in this sport, but i feel the progress and the boost of confidence after every session. However I still dont feel anywhere near with my skill compared with what could be throw at this bike. At this point I'm holding my horses- i dont want to push to hard, because i still don't have a helmet (priority after next paycheck, looking for a quality two-pieced helmet).
@TheOlafmetal
@TheOlafmetal 4 года назад
GT Zaskar LT AL Elite has a dropper, shimano brakes and sx 12 speed for 1199. It does have a coil fork but I wouldn't be surprised if the Zeron didn't actually ride pretty smooth.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Good pick! That is a pretty solid deal for all that.
@bulldawgtrucker7119
@bulldawgtrucker7119 4 года назад
The trek Roscoe would have been a better comparison. Rock shox Judy, 67 degree head angle, sx drive train, decent brakes for right at 1250
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
I brought up the Marlin to highlight how you can get a better bike for a little bit more money. Lots of beginners buy the Marlin, so wanted to show better options. Wasn't comparing it to the other bikes on the list. I do like the Roscoe though. It's a pretty solid bike.
@darrellmayfield4975
@darrellmayfield4975 4 года назад
Thank you for the useful info. Because of this video I opted for the Ragley Marley. Just waiting for it to arrive. 👍
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Excellent choice! I'm glad this video was helpful to you!
@mtbboy1993
@mtbboy1993 3 года назад
11:40 as long as the wheels are have a hub has adapters and has correct width for the fork that's possible. 11:45 but those rims are junk, spokes are fragile, weak aluminium, the front formula hub is easy to service and has decent seal.
@godsfriend4120
@godsfriend4120 2 года назад
I just bought a marin elridge 2 wish i would have watch this first.
@vasthepirate5673
@vasthepirate5673 3 года назад
I have all the money, but everything is sold out everywhere. What a time to be alive.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 3 года назад
Sucks right? I was looking at a new hardtail and it won't be around until February or March. Ugh!
@gcygnet8817
@gcygnet8817 4 года назад
Trek roscoe is good as it has a dropper!
@stevebennett3587
@stevebennett3587 2 года назад
👌great hardtails, was wondering which one out of the scout and the ragley for frame compliance🤔
@michaelreynolds6543
@michaelreynolds6543 3 года назад
michael reynolds 1 second ago Hi from the Uk I would really appreciate your advice on my dilemma I have had a Scot scale 60 for a few years now and while I love it it's now time for a change. I'm looking at two possibilities the Vitus Sentier or the nucleus and the nuke proof scout 275. I loved the upgrade video on the nucleus and I was wondering if the frame the same throughout the Vitus range? My Scott is a 2012 bike and it's still a great bike it's just that technology has come a long way since then and I'm looking for more spec for my money. Could I do as you have done and get the nucleus and upgrade or just go for the Sentier or the scout? I don't mind adding better components over time I just need to know if the frame (the foundation) is solid! I ride trails I like to ride hard downhills a bit of jumping now and then but I'm not anything special I just love the whole MTB thing
@portillo6040
@portillo6040 3 года назад
Hey Kyle, I’m new to biking and just got at Giant Roam 2 Disc. Seeing what your opinion is on bike.
@caleb1518
@caleb1518 4 года назад
Out of these hardtails, which do you think would be best for wheelies? Or any other hardtails you’ve looked into?
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
The best way to determine that would probably be the chainstay length. The shorter the chainstays are, the easier it would be to manual. Of the bikes featured in this list, the Ragley Marley and Vitus Sentier both have the shortest chainstays at 425mm.
@Andrea-qg5yk
@Andrea-qg5yk 4 года назад
shouldn't the deore m6000 limited to 11/42? i heard it worked also with 11/46 and some people even pushed it to 11speed 11/50, but i never saw a bike come with a bigger cassette alrady fit
@harryconey459
@harryconey459 4 года назад
Currently looking for a hardtail at around £1000, very helpful video thanks
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Glad I could help!
@petarzutic1165
@petarzutic1165 3 года назад
Does anybody have experience with Sonder Transmitter? By the look they seems awesome hardtail and not that expensive.
@iTz3L1TEFUZE
@iTz3L1TEFUZE 3 года назад
I have around $800 - do I get a new bike for around that price or do I get a used bike for around that price ? Also any suggestions?
@hastings6019
@hastings6019 3 года назад
Was looking for the Scout or the Ragley but in these times I can’t find one in stock. I did find a Rocky Mountain fusion 10 for 930$ after shipping. Would it be worth waiting for the scout or ragley or should I pick up the fusion 10 while I can? Thanks a lot
@jag4577
@jag4577 3 года назад
I'm buying a Norco storm 1 is it a good choice.
@joelsanders1057
@joelsanders1057 4 года назад
Good to see another video! Love your content. Keep it up
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks so much Joel! Working on some new videos right now. I appreciate you watching!
@ryanrayburn1894
@ryanrayburn1894 4 года назад
I was waiting for you to slip one your own personal bikes in there Kyle.... great finds/list man.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Pfffffffft. I don't ride a bike under $6,000
@ryanrayburn1894
@ryanrayburn1894 4 года назад
Of course! My apologies sir!
@centralfloridalawncare8373
@centralfloridalawncare8373 4 года назад
What is the performance difference between 27.5 and 29 wheels.
@jamescollingridge4242
@jamescollingridge4242 4 года назад
29er wheels, are very good for DH riding as they roll over bumps and maintain speed better, 27.5 have quicker acceleration, and easier to move around. I THINK don’t trust me haha someone correct me if I’m wrong!
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
James pretty much nailed it! If speed and rolling over stuff is more important to you, then 29er would be best. If you prefer to be nimble, and have a more "playful" feeling bike, then 27.5 might be better. You can still jump and be playful on a 29, or go fast on a 27.5, but that just depends on skill level.
@SongsBuildABit
@SongsBuildABit 3 года назад
META HT AM ORIGIN has spring coli fork? seems not air fork.
@jboycua6450
@jboycua6450 4 года назад
We love the content sir. Continue to provide content like this. Also tires sir
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Thanks Leo! I'm glad people are enjoying this. A list on tires? I can try to figure out something on that subject, but it may be too subjective on a topic.
@jboycua6450
@jboycua6450 4 года назад
Yes. How about best trail tires or enduro? Most affordable perhaps? We love contents like these.
@Smegma_pirate
@Smegma_pirate 2 года назад
Can vouch for the polygon Xtrada 6 .. found a dropper post and added some pdx pedals and she’s a ripper!
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 2 года назад
I currently have an Xtrada 7, and it is a really fun bike!
@martinstedtler
@martinstedtler 4 года назад
Radon Cragger 7.0 - best Value ever
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
I've been seeing a ton of comments on that bike. It does look legit....just can't get them in the U.S.A.
@polyspiel
@polyspiel 2 года назад
Great review! Awesome job. Hopefully people start buying up-and-coming brands and not established industry players.
@adrianszabelski8105
@adrianszabelski8105 4 года назад
There's also the whyte 805 with rockshox reckon 64.5 degree head angle deore 1x10 tektro auriga brakes and a 10mm boost dropout so it has a axle in a open drop out
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
That is a nice bike! I looked at Whyte when compiling this list. I think the only thing I didn't love was the rear hub spacing, but otherwise is a really sick bike
@adrianszabelski8105
@adrianszabelski8105 4 года назад
@@CobraKyle ye the spacing is weird but my mates dad friend owns a bike shop that sells orange whyte Santa Cruz and cube so I'll be able to get a whyte 901 for cheaper
@rontavakoli-JD-MBA
@rontavakoli-JD-MBA 4 года назад
I'm a complete novice looking for info before buying. enjoyed this video. thanks.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Awesome I'm glad this video was helpful! I hope you enjoy mountain biking!
@adonov1
@adonov1 4 года назад
Id recommend the nukeproof scout to anyone i went from a Giant reign to a scout and it handles downhill and more tricky stuff My only complain is the tires i feel they make you slower and are way too wide so i changed it to maxxis high Roller 2
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
I love the scout! My hardtail has 2.8" tires and it does feel a bit more sluggish compared to a standard tire. I like the extra grip in the corners though, so I deal with the slower speed haha.
@tommyr95
@tommyr95 3 года назад
Hey Kyle, did you happen to find out if the Ragleys were thru-axle or if they had dropouts? I've not had any luck finding out, but certainly hoping for thru-axles, of course. Thanks!!
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 3 года назад
Hello! All the Ragley mountain bikes use thru axles!
@Cla55clown
@Cla55clown 4 года назад
Great vid! Question: what is the boost spacing and thru axle and why are these features important? Just MTB noob trying to learn the lingo.
@CobraKyle
@CobraKyle 4 года назад
Hello and thank you! I show the thru axle on my bike at 00:25, and then an open dropout at 11:35 for a visual representation. The "boost" spacing refers to the width of the hub and is essentially the standard (for now) in mountain bikes. It gives you the most options for wheel upgrades/replacements, helps align the wheels in the frame, and axles offer more rigidity. Axles are also way easier to remove and put back on as it can only go in one way. No more guessing if you put your wheel in straight. Most mountain bikes these days have an axle, so it will become harder and harder to find wheel options in the future that accommodate older spacing standards.
@stef4n983
@stef4n983 3 года назад
Which is the best out of the list would you think?
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