50 Combos - TERRAFORMING MARSterclass Ep. 5

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Link to the BBG-thread
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2165...
Link to Rus' insane math machine (to determine if a combo is worth it)
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2139...
Link to playlist of the entire Terraforming Mars strategy guide series:
• 20 Tips to Help You Wi...
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:23 - COMBOZ
18:30 - BGG Thread (feat rofl math nerds)
24:05 - Outro
COMBOZ :D
Standard Tech + Tharsis
Immigrant City + Tharsis
Standard Tech + Credicor
Standard Tech + Thorgate
Standard Tech + Thorgate + Power Infrastructure
Phoblog + Advanced Alloys
Phoblog + IO Mining Industries
Lakefront Resorts + Arctic Algae
Mass Converter + Hi-Tech Lab
Viron + Orbital Cleanup
Viron + Martian Rails
Viron + AI Central
Helion + Soletta
Standard Tech + Poseidon
Standard Tech + Ecology Research
Polythemus + Colonies
Standard Tech + Colonies
Enceladus + Ants
Enceladus + Venusian Insects
Enceladus + Sulphur-Eating Bacteria
Miranda + Fish
Large Convoy + Fish
Meat Industries + animals
Extreme-Cold Fongus + Regolith Eaters
Extreme-Cold Fongus + GHG Producing Bacteria
Extreme-Cold Fongus + Ants
Extreme-Cold Fongus + Venusian Insects
Extreme-Cold Fongus + Recyclon
Bactoviral Research + Ants
Bactoviral Research + Venusian Insects
Mars University + Olympus Conference
Mars University + Olympus Conference + card-draw
Merger + Double Down
Physics Complex + CEO’s favorite Project
Physics Complex + Mass Converter
Robotic Workforce + Gyropolis
Robotic Workforce + Medical Lab
Robotic Workforce + Strip Mine
Robotic Workforce + Mohole Area
Stratopolis + Forced Precipation
Stratopolis + Floating Habs
Hydrogen to Venus + Floating Habs
Floater Tech + Aerial Mappers
Floater tech + Titan Shuttles
Floater Tech + Local Shading
Ecolohy Experts + Kelp Farming
Ecolohy Experts + Farming
Ecolohy Experts + Trees
Ecolohy Experts + Penguins/Fish?
Thanks to the Fryxelius family, Fryxgames and Stronghold Games for creating this wonderful game. Ultimately all the cards and game components belong to them.
Link to fryxgames webshop:
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How to play vanilla Mars
• Learn to Play Terrafor...
How to play the expansion
• Learn Every Terraformi...
Mars clip:
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Music used (Official Terraforming Mars OST from the app)
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Created by:
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Fryxgames
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@lukasz1589 Год назад

Good stuff, well done

@BonelessDota Год назад

Cheers!! :D

@BonelessDota Год назад

What's your favourite combo? :D Did I forget any?

@mars4ever Год назад

Mining guild + mining area/rights is pretty fun. And you forgot ecoline + protected habitats!

@BonelessDota Год назад

Yea good point. Ecoline + Protected Habitats should definately have been on the list ^^ Mining guild stuff true that's good as well.

@mars4ever Год назад

@@BonelessDota also inventrix + adaptation tech (or even special project!), or teractor + earth office

@BonelessDota Год назад

@@mars4ever Yea true ^^

@andreasflink9222 Год назад

Did merger and double down prelude cards come in the physical prelude box, or just when you play online? Can't seem to remember that I've seen those before when playing with prelude, as I've done a fair bit of times

@BonelessDota Год назад

Those are seasonal promos you can get if you buy content from Fryxgames webshop (link in description). You can get them faster if you buy their stuff at the right time or you can wait as they usually sell them as promo packs later on. You see, it's a sneaky way to get you to spend money on their webshop ;) Possibly someone is also selling them on facebook or etsy or something, not sure.

@andreasflink9222 Год назад

@@BonelessDota Aha, I see! Thank you for your prompt response! :)

@nilspils5223 7 месяцев назад

Would u keep large convoy round 1, in a 3p game? Even when u dont have any animals cards

@BonelessDota 7 месяцев назад

Generally no. But would depend on your hand.

@clancyjames585 Месяц назад

Regarding the Ecology Experts + Fish + Viron "combo". The claim is that it's great because it gives you 20 VP. But - is that actually all that great? After all, you're using a corporation ability, a prelude, and 9 megacredits in a way which doesn't increase your production at all. My guess here is: if it's a 5-player game, this combo is broken. If it's a 2-payer game, you will lose badly doing this. But I'd like to see an analysis of this. Let's say that a prelude is worth ~20 megacredits, and the average corporation ability $2 per turn. In my experience, an "average" investment rate is 5 megacredits for 1 production, so that $2/turn for Virion is about $10 in starting megacredits. That is, you have an "interest rate" of 20% per generation. If the game goes 10 turns, this means those initial 39 megacredits (20 prelude, 10 corporation ability, 9 fish), if spent on other cards, would get amplified up to 39*(1.2)^10 = 241 megacredits. If the going rate if 8 megacredits = 1 VP, this means that's 241/8 ~ 30 VP. Against the 20 that "combo" gives. I know this is very crude (e.g., those 241 needs to somehow be actually converted to VP), but it suggests to me this combo it's not actually broken at all. Would be very happy for Boneless to do a second analysis of this.

@BonelessDota Месяц назад

In the video, I think I say that this is fine. Like.. not great not bad. But average. The math on this exact problem (EE Fish Viron) has actually been done a few times already. If you didn't notice, in the video a guy named Rus also did math on this (you can see it in the video at 23:27) But pretty much every time Fish EE Viron has been brought up the conclusion was pretty much this: For the average player this is good value. For the top players who are better at converting engine into VP this is slightly underwhelming. But it's pretty close actually. If we are talking penguins instead of fish which means you don't have to take your own plant prod, then it's above average. Or if you are lucky enoguh to steal Ecolines plant prod. then this is really good value but due to turn order you can only target yourself, other corps or other preludes who reveals before you in turn order so low chance of this. Usually you have to take your own plant prod. This is why Penguins is a better combo. A few factors that is hard to math out here: Firstly it has so value to just have a place where you can dump random animals worth 1 vp all game and also the viron ability could come in clutch with another card a few times during the game. So this should not be underestimated either. You could also make the argument that straight up VP strats like this one are more suited for game with fewer generations as the preludes of the other players will be more engine heavy meaning they will overtake you in 11 generations or something. So with this mindset, the tempo nerds who are super good at ending the game early might also want this. For the same reason I would agree with your assessment that this combo is better in 5-player games as these are shorter in terms of generations. Basically it's hard to completely math yourself out of this one, but the general the conclusion is that EE Viron Fish is pretty average. But answers may vary depending on which of the top players you ask. Personally I would say that this is average, but boring as hell as I enjoy making lategame engines so spending a prelude on this is not what I want xD Btw nice job on the math damn ^^ Looks awesome but I would say that this combo is worth more than 20 VP in a 10 gen game for the reasons mentioned above and also Fish costs 12 gold, not 9 as we should factor in the cost of 3 to buy the card to begin with. In any case the other nerds are more qualified (and more motivated) to sink their teeth into this. Copy paste this into HodgePodge's discord if you got access. This stuff is catnip to these poeple, they would love to cruch all of this math for much more satisfyingly than me ^^ If you are lucky, one of them have their math on this saved somewhere and can show you.

@bluemoon8773 Год назад

This hi-tech lab card overall is so overpowered, almost like you invention contest every gen, in my opinion should Def be banned

@BonelessDota Год назад

Agreed. In most games it's good but to be fair, if you never find affordable energy prod, this card falls flat sometimes. But you do, it's incredible.

@themdmatt Год назад

Nice video but can you slow down how quick you talk just a tad and it would be much easier to follow please

@BonelessDota Год назад

Hi cheers, yea maybe a good idea. I subtitled the whole thing if that helps ^^

@Alemiha Год назад

@@BonelessDota Nah, man, do yourself....faster means more info; otherwise ppl will complain about video length. Anyway we can slow or rewind or review, plenty of options. And thx for the laborious work, a marsterclass indeed.

@BonelessDota Год назад

@@Alemiha Yea I admit my worry is that my videos are too long. Especially considering the whole guide is 20 videos. But thanks man I really appreciate it :)