First, The armscor and HSM plated 300 gr. JHP are more equivalent to the S&W 500 special loads rather than the 500 magnum loads. That said, both are very good target/practice rounds, and the armscor is very accurate. I have shot an armscor 10 round group into a 3" bullseye x-ring from 25 yards "Double Action" using my 4" S&W 500. The HSM has similar accuracy. I would like to see you test, HSMs 350gr. XTP magnum load rated at 1750fps.
Hi guys. Does hard data exist on pistol use in bear defense cases, not hunting? I'm really perplexed at the idea of using 500 and 460 SW as a defense gun in case of a wild animal's charge. Do most people who have the need of handguns for bear/big game country can really handle the recoil in a high stress situation and are able to actually hit something? A comparison with 10mm would really be interesting to see imo.
Anusideral the Alaska department of fish And game compiles data but not individual.... Of the three people I've personally met that had to take down a charging bear or moose, it was a 44mag (moose) , 10mm and .38spl for the bears.
460 Smith and Wesson with Buffalo Bore Dangerous Game Lehigh Flat Point copper solid bullets are awesome. 454 Casull loaded with the same bullet from Buffalo Bore could also be used.
Something is wrong with the crony I have shot both out of my gun and clocked way better. Maybe it was getting to dark. No way it kicked that much and only pushed 900-1000fps. Or even maybe a bad batch but out of both loads? Idk thats weird.
I'll take 460 all day long so I can shoot the 45 long and 454 casull, which are VERY manageable and much quicker to get follow up shots with, but can use the 460 loads when intentionally hunting with it. Buffalo Bore and Underwood are the ammo I trust my life to!
460 all day faster more accurate and very hard hitting best all the way around i can load that round hot as shit it will out do a 500 all day in the correct hands. Very fast and just as hard hitting. Way way more accurate too.
i think you handled the recoil quite well...only a real troll who has never fired a big bore revolver or any powerful gun would run their mouths ...I think you two do awesome work and ammo and supplies aint cheap...i love going to the range but i know every trip is gonna be around $100 for ammo alone and im only shootin 44mag and 10mm sometimes ill drag the 45 out but thats if im feeling rich 🤣
I will recommend two brands two run in both guns. Buffolo-Bore and Underwood ammo,you'll notice a MAJOR-LEAGUE difference in performance,especially in the .500 S/W.
I've been trying different ammunition through my 4 inch 500 Magnum, which I named Birtha, over the past couple months. I don't have a chronograph to test specifics but I have found that the Hornady 500 grain seems to work and feel best for me. It's not quite as snappy as Hornady's lighter grain bullets like the 300 and 350 grain which helps with follow up shots. I have yet to fire a 700 grain from Underwood through Birtha because I have yet to come across a bear wearing a refrigerator as armor but who knows bears are crafty.
Buffalo Bore makes a .460 load that pushes a 300 grain bullets to 2000+ fps out of the .460 S&W, too, so it's not like it's underpowered by any means. This test shows that ammunition choice is really more important than the gun its self.
I have the 460V and love it, I believe it's the 5.5 barrel, my first Smith was the 8 3/8 500, loved it but couldn't carry it. Then traded for the 4.5 500, was balanced just right but had to sell it, finally got the 460V because of the three choices of ammo.
I own the 460V and a 500 S&W with a 6.5 inch integral compensated barrel. Both weigh just over 60 ounces each. Great balance with 6.5 inch half lug barrel. That ammo was loaded like 500 Special not full load 500 S&W magnum can be.
I’d take either of them, but the muzzle flash and velocity from the .460 make it a keeper 👍 Good example of the differences between ammo and why testing is important.
Just to clarify for people the grain of a bullet is its weight not how much powder is in the case. Higher grain means heavier round but velocity is sacrificed for more energy , hitting force. Less grain is a lighter round more faster generally but loses energy , hitting force. Usually theres a sweet spot with every round were you get the best velocity and retain more of the energy. Hope this helps people pick ammo better. Middle of the road grain usually provides the best balance between energy and velocity. Without sacrificing one or the other. Hope this makes sense to people. I been loading a long long time . Special rounds for special people . Cheers
The 460 S&W can throw 2,000 FPS velocities from a 3.5” short barrel with 200Gr bullets LOL. Plus you can shoot (3) difference rounds through it. It makes the most sense… I love it!!
The right 460 ammo will actually hit with more energy than 500 magnum with less recoil why wouldn’t you go with it, Not to mention the 460 is going faster which equals penetration and is perfect for a bear 500 is also slower to shoot and not worth the extreme recoil difference
Something doesn't add up. Either the ammo used was different, the ammo for the 500 was defective, or there is something wrong with the gun. The Model 500 can fire a bullet weighing 350 gr (22.7 g; 0.8 oz) at 1,975 feet per second (602 m/s) generating a muzzle energy of over 3,030 foot-pounds force. It is used for taking big game. The 900 fps just does not add up.
I wouldn't use the Hornady 460 200 grain bullets for bear defense. I use a 460 rifle with a 20 inch barrel for deer hunting and I've used the Hornady 460 ammo. I shot a whitetail deer in the shoulder and it was a good kill shot but I had to shot it again to kill it. The jacket of the Hornady 460 bullet is too thin and the bullet fragmented badly after going through the shoulder and the bullet fragments didn't to enough damage to the hart and lungs to kill the animal. It took another shot at closer range and the bullet didn't do much better but it was enough to finish it off. The Hornady 460 is a super hot round that is very loud but the only damage I think it would do to a bear is the bear's hiring.
evidently armscor is only good for brass.if possible i would like to see these rounds compared to your 460 rowland or 45 super for us 1911 guys. y'all stay warm this weekend!
Just got a nice 460. The stance you took to shoot I'm surprised it didn't knock you down. The recoil is really intense. Keep up the videos. Thanks to both of you.
Hornady load data says for H110, 51.4 grains of powder gives you 2000 ft/sec out of a 8.75" barrel with a 1:18 twist with a Winchester primer. With a nicer primers and using the 10.5" PC version you can get that 2050-2075 ft/sec for sure.
I researched ballistic information on the 500 and the 460 for about a month. In the end the 460 was the clear winner, especially concerning accuracy and long range. So I bought the 460 with the 8 3/8 barrel and I’m glad I did. The 500 to me is basically a novelty gun that will eventually lose popularity. The rounds are way overpriced compared to 460 ammo and it really isn’t that accurate. The 460 shoots flat over 200 yards with incredible energy compared to the 500. Just my two cents worth…
Excellent video - just think: Armscor just developed home defense ammo for the 500 S&W Magnum against two legged predators. You won't shoot through multiple walls with it. ;-) Scott
Did he say versatility or Bear Protection. 500 magnum people not rocket science. You'll want a bigger bullet when that bear charges out if the brush sounding like a monster thats trying to turn you to skat
The 440 grain 500 S&W is a good one. Use the 1350 fps stuff not the same bullet at 950fps that they Buffalo Bore also offers for less recoil and like a BIG 45 Colt type of load.
That .50p ammo was a joke. I would carry a 10mm glock with very hot loaded 10x25 ammo. More Magazine capazity and not that ridiculous .460 or .500 recoil.
Lol I sold my .500 sw, however I definitely prefer 460 sw because of versatility and speed lol, I still prefer 44 mag, watch Kentucky ballistics 500 vs 44 mag, 44 mag still out penetrated 454 and 500 which is important to me for this type of gun
@@ChukesOutdoorAdventures i got to thinking tho the cold didnt seam to have much of a effect on the 460 so there for it shouldnt have on the 500 the ballistics are very very similar of the 2 rounds so I'm thinking it must have just been the ammo certain ammo doesnt work well in shorter barrels due to burn times of the powder sometimes it really pays to reload your ammo so I can play with the charge and get the most out of your gun u keep getting a little hotter until u get a case that doesnt just slide out when u tilt the barrel up then u back your charge off just a bit and thats the hot happy place but only ever adjust so slightly u dont want it to turn into a grenade in your hands
It is because 700 hrain is a heavier bullet you obviously dont know shit about guns. Grains is not how much powder is in it like most think grains is the bullet weight. Heavy round is slower but with more energy meaning it hits harder more impact power.
I just purchased a Smith & Wesson .460. I finally found a place to buy ammo. I’m going to Alaska, the end of May. My son is stationed up there and is taking me fishing. Now I’m trying to find a holster.
That wasnt much of a comparison since you were using those anemic Armscorp stuff in that 500. Try the Underwood 350 grainers and now you will have a real comparison to that 460. I choose 500 since it is much more powerful, loaded how it should be loaded that is
I've seen a 500 with a 6 round capacity and if you run out of ammo before the bear gets to you then it should be very dead. Also save the last bullet until its right there if you're a bad shot
Enjoy watching 500 and 460 but I think more work is needed on 10mm, 220gr Buffalo Bore cast rds and some XTP 200gr and 180gr hotter reloads, that's where most outdoor people wanna be I think, 10mm is the king, light yet potent enough to dispatch an aggressive grizzly bear if it ever comes to your last stand against this beast.
Antoua B more work is being done! Just bought a glock model 40 10mm over on my channel... Will be a few months but I'll be getting bear defense ammo...
Glock 40 is the beast, got one, gives boost to even my weaker 10mm reloads for plinking over my Glock 20. I also installed DPM recoil system and it shines on hottest 10mm reloads, reduces recoil about 40 % while preserving your internals with its 3 spring system. Can't notice much, if any, difference on anemic plinking loads thou. But, pushing 180gr XTP bullets a bit over 1400 fps isn't too bad in terms of power factor in defense against large "brownies" lol. Your channel is definitely under rated and needs promotion in all fronts. Thx for the hard work and making these awesome videos.
