Those guys with the Nagant- I raced Dragbike in the late 80's with a homebuilt two stroke. Got a lot of crap from some in the stands. Difference was, They were in the stands, I was on the track. Enough said...
Yea she did great for a newbie! I’d be willing to bet some of her misses were due to the limitations of set up. I’m sure it shoots good but even if it’s a solid moa rifle you’ll have outliers for example at 500 SD comes into play which is out of her control with factory ammo.
Not even an EC tuner can account for the loose nut behind the buttplate... Gotta keep on practicing and improving ourselves, before blaming anyone's equipment. Love these marksmanship challenges.
I love the butt pad, but mine was always 6-8 moa with surplus. Reloads are closer to 1.5-2 moa, scoped, accurized. I'd be interested in someone taking a go with an aperture k31, might get the first one.
@@lanejohnson7656 it’s like this, if you had to choose between a knife or a gun to bring to a gun fight. What would be your answer? And pfisherman540 is correct they had no business being there. It’s pretty lame too, that they didn’t even take it serious enough to bring decent ammo. And the target they were shooting and supposedly hitting back home must have been the broadside of a barn. The Canadian definitely is a shooter and so is the gun. I would bet his reloads he makes are just as well built as his gun is, clearly.
Did it right after with my own rifle. Welcome to come shoot with us anytime😂 granted we sucked in the video and Monday morning quarterbacking but at home definitely went better😂
@lanejohnson7656 lmao, that my point exactly. You weren't prepared. It's kind of like people spring turkey hunting with their bow but never killing one with a gun.
Last rifle I would try it with, for sure with that ammo.. Like to see them give it a shot with some S&B or even PZI ammo.. Give them major props for showing up knowing the criticism would roll.. I wouldn’t even be able to see the biggest target.. lol
This challenge is definitely push a few people to get into the long shooting sport. You make it so welcoming for all experience levels and demonstrate the true spirit of the shooting community. Hat's off to the guys trying iron sights.
I congratulate the two guys for giving the open sights a whirl. My son and I were just discussing how we could prepare ourselves to do this challenge with the open sights. You may not have it still available by the time we think we are up to it but I know it won't be time wasted. Thx Erik
Great video, greetings from south central BC. The only thing better than Mike from Canada would have been Mike from Canmore - which is a Canadian TV joke for those of you not from here. Good shooting though Mike! You represented us well sir.
Excellent!! Im a newbie at long range myself. There is actually alot involved in taking accurate shots at these distances. Once i get better with my 6.5 i just might take a shot at this challenge
Carlie put up a good show. I like watching this and the 1000yd challenge. I've shot similar targets where I live and I find the trick it to have you cross hair at the top of the target and shoot a little low to your aim point. I like it when people will use their turrets to make adjustments rather than just moving their aim point around. So many times you see shooters keep dropping shots into the same point but making no adjustments to the turrets. They obviously get target fixation and don't change their aim point.
I swear I hate seeing Marines do these guntuber challenges. Any Marine that claims the 500 yards iron sight bullshit knows damn well that target they engaged (with varying degrees of success) was 19” wide by 40” tall. And you got points for missing. We Marines need to simmer down with this iron sights hubris. Signed, a Marine Gunner.
@@kencaton6377 with the Annual Rifle Training (ART) course of fire, the silhouette on the B-Mod target is worth 5 points. The areas to the left and right of the black were worth 4 points. So yes, missing the intended target (a man sized silhouette) close enough could net you 4 points. Of course there were 3 point zones as well as 2 point zones on the same target. So, effectively, earning points for missing.
Very nice. Respectable of the gentleman with the open sights. Very proud to see Carlie give it a try. Clay's 6br looks sweet. Don't mind seeing the jab at the 6.5cm, I own one and like everything else I own better. Thanks for the video.
A concerning issue to me is the feed problems on some of these bolt actions and some seem less than smooth, unlike Eric`s rifle, which fed smooth and consistent.........great content, thank you !
The camera angle on the targets is absolutely wild iv never been able to see the path of the bullets like that before 🤙 your doing awesome work! Im definitely subscribing
I have the feeling that Mike's amazing perfomance shows one maybe trvial truth that imho deserves to be pointed out A rifle cannot be more accurate than its barrel And the one in Mike's rifle must be really something special Think of a F class scaled down barrel Wonderful piece indeed
visual acuity becomes the biggest issue at 500. The smallest target that most people can consistently aim at is about 2MOA-ish with irons. SOME MAY be able to consistently aim at a 1MOA target with irons, not the average person. So even if the rifle, sights, ammo, and shooter are capable of better than 1MOA at 500, if you can't consistently aim at the target you're just flinging boolots... I was also a Marine and qualed at 500 with irons. Rifle-ammo combo does 2MOA to 4MOA from the bench. 500 silhouette target was about 20" wide AKA about 4MOA.... If you landed a good 1st round center mass, you were rewarded with a 10" white spotting disc, AKA 2MOA. This made the other 9 shots easier because of the 2MOA aiming point. All of this is "battle precision"(in real combat things aren't that precise). Miles and miles away from sub 0.5MOA long range precision match shooting. All those guys claiming they could do it easy because they shot 500 in the USMC were either POGs or FUDDS or both. I love shooting irons, and I love people trying to do this with irons. Hell, if I was within 12 hours of EC, I'd try it. I still think you should do an iron sight version, no challenge money, just fun. Either closer, or with larger targets at 500, smallest target being 1MOA, largest 4 to 6MOA. Maybe a rim fire version at 100 with irons and 200 or 300 with scopes, again, just for fun.
I was also chuckling at the open sight guys, but then i thought, you know what? Good on them - they were the only ones with the guts to come on and have a crack at it and show how difficult it is - Charlie was my favourite - great demeanour for shooting, nice and relaxed - just needs to get her face off the gun and equipment could be a little bit better, switch to hand loads , Lapua Brass, Berger Hybrid 140s , ADI2209 powder… the guy from Canada was smokin… great Rifle, but calm down when shooting - Watch Charlie - but all up, some of the best shooters in this series
you need to get that mosin shooter from the 1 moa challenge. OR, hear me out here. Make a 300 yard blackjack challenge for open sites but no spotter. People need some humble pie.
Great video !!! The mosin guys where kinda funny to me because i shoot them all the time , just for a challenge, and got 2 that shoot under moa but, not with iron sights. Great vids erik. Thanks for uploading!!!!
Shooting open sights is more of a challenge in my opinion. As comical as it was, I give those guys respect for showing up and going for it. With 7.62x54r and Mosin rifles, it comes down to ammo. Each rifle is going to be different. They are capable of excellent accuracy. You really have to do some serious load development with the mosin in 7.62x54r. With surplus ammo and steal case ammo it's basically machine gun ammo. Reloading for it is challenging. It requires a lot more time and elbow grease. There are a lot more things you have to factor in due to wartime variations with Mosin barrels. Barrel harmonics are different on a Mosin too, they don't behave like a modern rifle. Guy's who compete in vintage matches with them do make alterations to them. Some will bed them. Some will have the crown recut. They will do trigger work to them.
What an enjoyable series! Well done to the first ones to even attempt the challenge with open sights! Great shooting from all of the participants. Would be great to see someone try open sights with a slightly more "ahem" competitive set up 😉
Mosin sights aren't in metres (I thought they were too) They in a weird measurement called "Arshin" So those two friends had a ton stacked up against them, they're clearly not afraid to try something different, not afraid of a bit more than an extra challenge. They earned respect!!! No scope & then add in misfires & questionable factory ammo... Did way better than most of us would have & they need a special plaque each on a ton of respect award Bet they'll do far better if they get a chance to accurise the rifle, go to reloading & do load development. Brilliant to watch them in a very steep challenge & they still did way better than I would. Yeah Erik, you need a big highly varnished Honor Roll Shield on the wall somewhere for "Extra Steep Challenge Players" hahahaa Ton of respect, really enjoyed his (& the others) efforts. Everyone has utterly brilliant attitudes, wonderful attitudes. And Carly was a wonderfully down to earth person who brought a very calm, humble truck load of of "get it done" - She's a real thinking shooter, she's clearly trying to learn something from every second. This should be a weekly TV show hahaha Thank you Erik for the BlackJack Challenge, seriously entertaining.
Points for trying with Mosins (WTF) with factory ammo, when there are far better milsurps out there with decent ammo available. Almost anything would be a better combo.
Felt like they tried to one up the guy who did the shooting challenge on Backfire the other day. I will say, 500 yards with an open sight mosin using surplus ammo is baffling, but fun to watch. An amazingly simple and functional design, but they are not precision machines from my experience. I used to have a few mosins, they used to be around $70 for a nice one, but I don't regret letting them all go.
Mosin nagants open sight with Winchester 7.62x54R maybe the 10 and 12 inch plates at 500yrds. 500 yrds with nagant sight set to 400 meters would have you hold pretty much at the base of target. 500 yrds is about 458 meters. Correct me if I'm wrong, with an explanation.
2:33 Having spent 10 years in the marine corps, and shot “expert” a couple of the 6 times I went to the rifle range, I can say with certainty that the targets at the rifle range were not that small for ANY distance when shooting the known distance course of fire. The “10” ring on a 500 yard target is 12 or maybe 13 inches…. So that would be what… about 2 1/4 MOA? Sounds like the target is sized for the consistency of the ammunition. Anyone who says, or even implies, that this is the same as what marines do doesn’t know enough about shooting to understand just how big a difference there is.
Shut his mouth after strike out lol. Talking crap and not backing it up lol. Marines run their mouths alot and can't back it up. I'm fighting too I've found out lol.
I’d love to see those guys come back with some ammo that shoots well in those nagant rifles. There is a guy in our club that shoots one in the service rifle matches and he gets some tight groups at 200m. That young lady did well for being new to the sport.
To the marines. That WW2 Russian rifles sights are calibrated in Arshins 28 inches not meters 39.3 inches. An Arshin is the average pace length of an average Soviet soldier. Go figure 🤷🏼♂️ Semper Fi Steven Dzupin
Kudo's to them for bringing the Nagant out, twice. I'd love to see some borescope video of the rifle bore. 500 yards doesn't look "too bad" in the video. Looks are deceiving lol
The whole idea behind the military 500yd shooting test is to instill faith in the soldiers that they can shoot out there. This is of course very important in a firefight but in civilian life the targets are smaller and not shooting at you so they need no suppressing.
Love it. I have a 1,000 yard medal (10th) open sights, M-14, Quantico, VA. Does that count? LOL. Or how about 199 with 10x at 600 yards with same M-14? Marine Corps Matches at Camp Lejeune. Does that one count? LOL. Copies of medals upon request. ;-)
It would be fun to watch you and others use some open sighted military rifles and have a crack at the Black Jack challenge or maybe make some slightly larger targets. Erik can use a Mexican Mauser.
I know for a fact at 56, I couldnt begin to see the large target at 500yrds without an optic ,so good for them giving it a go , but they should have been a bit more prepared . Should have had the most consistent ammo and a real front rest , rear bag set up at the minimum .
They probably would have hit it if they would have brought a Swiss K-31 with some GP11. I might have to come try this one day. I’m right down the road from you Eric. You built my neighbors Barndo.
Person size or Silhouette at 500 I’ve done on multiple occasions with Irons but that size I don’t think I could hit any at my Old DAV age now lol… S.F.
