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550-625: A Dark Age Military Revolution? 

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In the immediate aftermath of the Roman Empire's collapse in Western Europe, the barbarian militaries strongly resembled Romanones. However, by the end of the sixth century, the structures were almost entirely different, leading some historians to postulate about a dark age military revolution. In this video we condense the argument and examine the early medieval period.
SOURCES:
The Early Medieval Kingdoms, Halsall
Barbarian Migrations & the Roman West, Halsall
Warfare & Society in the barbarian West, Halsall

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Комментарии : 54   
@jackcrasher6945
@jackcrasher6945 2 года назад
I remember Guy Hallsall once describing (either in a monograph or in one of his two blogs) that joining the "Gothic" army was similar to a priest joining the church. He describes how a German learns Latin and other languages and gives himself a Latin name. As a counter-example, he described the story of a Roman aristocrat's son in the days of Theodoric the Great, who learned the Gothic language, joined the army and gave himself a Germanic name.
@ottovonbismarck2443
@ottovonbismarck2443 2 года назад
Coincidentally I'm just reading Hans Delbrück "The Middle Ages" on the very topic. You summed it up pretty well. This was a time of immense social change. When the Franks were invaders, everybody was a warrior. Once they settled, landowners became more and more reluctant to join the "army" for a campaign. The local population had been de-militarized for centuries anyway. In essence, they gave up part of their freedom to outfit someone who was willing to fight. Given that the equipment of a mounted warrior was easily equal to the income of a small village and people were only drafted from regions as close to the action as possible, one can understand why armies were very small during that period.
@0leandr1
@0leandr1 2 года назад
And that is how "Fall of Roman Empire" happened. It was not an invasion in modern terms. It was replacement of withdrawing Roman soldiers due to diminishing tax base by Frank warriors who fought by tribal obligation for each male to be capable to provide service.
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome 2 года назад
I would also like to thank my most recent patronss: bunni, jonathan granirer, and leonhard straub! Sorry guys I forgot to update the patrons slide! Thanks for your support! You all make the research possible!
@althesian9741
@althesian9741 2 года назад
Very interesting. There’s also the fact that due to ongoing corruption and the general increasing amounts of powerful landowners squeezing most of the small independent landowners out that caused many to be bankrupt and forced to work for the wealthy landowners. This also decreases chances of being chosen for military service as the best working farmer would have been purposely kept by the wealthy landowners and less fit men would be chosen to serve military service and using bribes to pay off military recruiters. Therefore decreasing the chances of able-bodied men being selected for military service whereby even conscription could be wormed out of.
@MattTheGatt
@MattTheGatt 2 года назад
Shows Ancient Aliens guy face and hands: "Horse Archers"
@NickPoeschek
@NickPoeschek 2 года назад
Hey, liking the visuals! Reminds me of Military History Visualized.
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome 2 года назад
Thank you! I was actually partly inspired by MHV
@historyismetal2187
@historyismetal2187 2 года назад
Me too it's effective
@Rokaize
@Rokaize 2 года назад
One of your best videos. You’re one of the very few on RU-vid who puts our videos on the late Roman army. Which is my personal favorite Roman army period. Keep it up.
@kalixkatt
@kalixkatt 2 года назад
Love these videos with graphics. Hope more people discover your channel.
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome 2 года назад
Me too!
@Ruben_n45
@Ruben_n45 2 года назад
God bless you ! Uploading a vidéo a day, Always a pleasure to learn more and more of this era !
@dyslexickangaroo141
@dyslexickangaroo141 2 года назад
Nice vid man love this time period you should do more.
@SeanzatChimalley_MMA
@SeanzatChimalley_MMA 2 года назад
Great video! I love this sort of content.
@SkyFly19853
@SkyFly19853 2 года назад
Truly informative. ✅
@stuffguru
@stuffguru 2 года назад
I would say as a HEMAist that thrown weapons (like axes) are harder to learn and use than spears in a formation.
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome 2 года назад
That’s what Halsall was getting at in the works I drew on for the video. I don’t do HEMA but from my own experience with Taekwondo and a few other Asian martial arts, aiming a staff or a spear is easier to learn than a thrown weapon. Although the primary sources do say that the Francisca bounces and ricochets, so you might not have to be *that* skilled
@highmolecularweightRDX
@highmolecularweightRDX 2 года назад
Not only that, but you have to be pretty strong to use throwing weapons, or at least strong in uncommon muscles. I don't know where the weak ranged weapon user trope comes from.
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome 2 года назад
@@highmolecularweightRDX probably from D&D and from some military history buffs never handling the equipment in the first place. I could be wrong though. But every kid I knew back in school who was all “omg swords and bows” was 100 pounds soaking wet and clearly never touched any sort of military equipment
@highmolecularweightRDX
@highmolecularweightRDX 2 года назад
@@TheFallofRome I would guess it's from treating all ranged weapons like firearms, using chemical propellants, which is easy if all you've used professionally are chemically powered weapons. Mountain men didn't have youtube videos about their Kentucky long rifles and 40lb hunting bows, and I don't know if they would have appreciated that one has 4x the momentum of the other because of something other than their own strength, and so bows seem severely lacking in comparison. We would have to know if archers and such were seen as weak or not relative to the adoption of firearms. Also guns are loud and no one wore hearing protection until 50 years ago.
@psychosytheXmediaXco
@psychosytheXmediaXco 2 года назад
@@TheFallofRome Damn dude if you're gonna come at me like that at least do it in a DM lol. A lot of it definitely comes from DnD, and also classic fantasy and action movie standards where I am sure it was much easier to choreograph epic sword fight scenes and tavern brawls than make what is essentially looks like repetitive motion exercise look cinematic and cool.
@NotDumbassable
@NotDumbassable 2 года назад
Fascinating video, though one could argue that this constituted more of a devolution rather than a revolution or evolution. It also fits well with the line of thought that a gradual decline in the Roman centralised organisation occured, and thus the ability to train and organise heavy infantry.
@bernardotorres4659
@bernardotorres4659 2 года назад
I like that term that you used , of a military devolution, because giving some thought to the video , that is really what that military change in the immediate aftermath of the collapse of the Roman Empire was about .
@fullgooseloot
@fullgooseloot 2 года назад
"Something of an understatement" is becoming your catchphrase :p
@sidneygray51
@sidneygray51 2 года назад
Throwing axes require throwing directly at an enemy, while javelins just require throwing at an upward arc in his general direction. The axe is a more brutal, and yes barbaric weapon.
@MrAlepedroza
@MrAlepedroza Год назад
Barbaric does not mean unrefined, but technical, effective as much as brutal.
@ericthegreat7805
@ericthegreat7805 2 года назад
I think something is happening very similarly here to what happened in the Middle East with the advent of Proto-Islam and the wars of Muhammad. The symbiotic relationship of the Roman (Byzantine) frontier, taxation (Jizya) of the Roman citizens (pagans, Christians and Jews) fueling the nomadic armies (Bedouin), followed by collapse of authority in Eastern Rome following the end of the Roman Persian war in 628. At this point, similar to what happens in the Western Roman Empire, in Syria, Iraq, Arabia and Egypt, quickly Roman positions are taken over by Arab garrisons with a new loyalty to Muhammad instead of Rome, which is how the Muslims are able to conquer territory so quickly with so little army, and how they already have a ready-made state apparatus of bookkeeping and administration once they arrive in Roman/Byzantine territory by the late 8th century. We see this same contrast between settled life and nomadic life in the former Roman East as in the West, with the settlers being paradoxically of higher cultural prestige, but still having to pay the nomadic army for protection.
@lobstereleven4610
@lobstereleven4610 2 года назад
another great vid! thanks!
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome 2 года назад
You’re welcome! Views are already up beyond what they normally are. Hopefully this one goes viral like a few previous ones have!
@GoogleUserOne
@GoogleUserOne 2 года назад
@@TheFallofRome add the meme music I mentioned to get it to go viral. You already have the title. Just change the thumbnail at least to make it have that feel. I can make it for you if you want.
@nowthenzen
@nowthenzen 2 года назад
since auxilia legions got paid less then Roman legions maybe when the time came to raise troops the decision was made to recruit auxilia thus abandoning the one for one ratio and that became a slippery slope.
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome 2 года назад
I hadn’t considered that! That might’ve been a factor as well in the hiring of barbarians in greater numbers
@vaderbuckeye36
@vaderbuckeye36 2 года назад
@Batchest raise = recruit in this context
@GeorgeWard14
@GeorgeWard14 2 года назад
Hi what are some criticisms of the barbarization thesis I can read? Thank you :)
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome 2 года назад
Here you go! prism.ucalgary.ca/handle/1880/114292
@wheeloftime-hl7pb
@wheeloftime-hl7pb 5 месяцев назад
for me, its the best period of history, with plenty of room for fictional speculation in written or filmed form
@osea5000
@osea5000 2 года назад
7:23 Wow!
@thomasdaywalt7735
@thomasdaywalt7735 2 года назад
so say you have a provece in ration how much is own by soilders and the rest free
@Georgios1821
@Georgios1821 2 года назад
I thought you were going to speak about Eastern Rome
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome 2 года назад
No, Byzantine is a little outside my wheelhouse with ancient history
@Georgios1821
@Georgios1821 2 года назад
@@TheFallofRome weel what we call Late Antiquity ended with the Beginning of the Great Roman-Sasanid War of 602AD-628AD so I think you can enlarge your focus up until 602AD
@pavelurteaga5315
@pavelurteaga5315 10 месяцев назад
the roman army became a true state within the state? with its own culture and ethnic identity? fascinating indeed
@0leandr1
@0leandr1 2 года назад
I think you should compare it to tribal military organization of Germans with males serving as warriors by tribal obligation. Which enabled them to replace withdrawing Roman army. And this is how "invasion" happened - a replacement of military force.
@charleslathrop9743
@charleslathrop9743 2 года назад
The enlisting of non-Romans did not weaken the army, it weakened the Romans.
@christophmahler
@christophmahler 2 года назад
It is one of the topics in Roman and early Medieval history that is not 'past' or 'history', but _an ongoing process_ , considering recruitment quota of NATO, mass migration and regardless an increasing reluctance to pay taxes or serve in the military across all 'classes' with military action, 'outsourced' to private contractors. *What needs some clarification is the term of 'Barbarization' and why it is not considered a factor, anymore* - when the remaining 'foederati' units (Roman units having been decimated due to generations of civil war since the late Republic - and the Gothic Wars...), their recruitment base and the culture of the recruits is shown as _exclusively Barbaric_ ... If the 'receptio' that followed the Battle of Adrianople (378) was in fact _a 'political union'_ of Gothic princes and Rome, elevating them to _a role_ as indespensable as 'consuls' (by then reformed as the more loosely 'dux'), *the **_structural_** argument speaks for itself* , regardless of birthname 'fads' or speculation whether 'a thousand Gothic spearmen can best a thousand Romans' (when Gothic, Tervingi and Greuthungi *equipent looked rather 'Romanized'* with a set of Sassanid ridge helmet, round shield, thrusting spear, long sword - and Celtic mail shirts - with trousers and the neck 'torc' jewelry as distinctly barbarian fashion) - that they did at Adrianople should disprove the Roman historiographical bias (although nobody expects the 'smooth faced' Alani horse lord - and while nobody speaks about it, the shift in equipment matches _mounted warfare_ as well as _countering cavalry_ when dismounted)...
@arman_1024
@arman_1024 2 года назад
By “Dark Age” are you specifically referring to the world of Western Europe after the collapse of the Western Roman Empire?
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome 2 года назад
Immediately after, yes. From about 500 to about 700
@justinpachi3707
@justinpachi3707 2 года назад
@@TheFallofRome I'd say that Gaul was probably in a dark age considering how each time a king died, his sons spent time reconquering the kingdom. Britannia seems to have undergone an almost total urban and societal collapse. Though as for Italy under the Ostrogoths it was relatively prosperous compared to how it was under the late 5th century Western Empire.
@TheFallofRome
@TheFallofRome 2 года назад
@@justinpachi3707 yeah, it’s very difficult to paint this with a broad brush. Some areas of the post Roman west, like Britain, probably do deserve the term, at least for a little while
@deiansalazar140
@deiansalazar140 11 месяцев назад
Honestly this seems similar to American structural economic issues with ethnicity and race. Fascinating!
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