6.7 Germany - The lineup that survived Gaijin's BR changes 

It's beyond terrible with only around 40% win rate

​@@user-yc7pc1fp5pno i dont agree

@@user-yc7pc1fp5p That has 0 weight mate

@@user-yc7pc1fp5p and you can only blame no one but the players lol

​@@user-yc7pc1fp5pwhen 6.7 was top tier it used to be even worse, t54 and is4 were the most common matchup

It can be surprisingly good on urban maps too, especially if the enemy panicks and doesn’t aim properly

@@27jagers exactly my point!

Well, it's not something to be relied on.

When T26E5 was at 6.3... it was a beast

@@RY-ti3rx yeah, but unfortunately I didn't have it back then

tbh beside the t92 being uptiered, US 6.7 is still going strong

Sadly not enough space in my lineup for that. I might spend GE to buy a 6th crew though because sometimes I need it.

@@27jagers if you main a country, buy all the crew that you can IMO

@@27jagersthe m109 over pressuring you by hitting near your mg port

@@MTF-EPSILON-11-5-NULLDoes it only kill through the mg port? I thought it just has so much HE power it can overpressure straight through the hull.

@@27jagers eh i just said mg port because thats where i remember

You and me both, brother. They ruined my most favorite line up in the game.

Same...my tiger ll 105 and panther ll where the bread and butter 6.7 germany

@@OneStrangeDeer kombined with the narwhal, pre nerf ofcourse. Now its a dice roll if you actually hit what your aiming at

@@remus907 agreed. But its fun when you do actually hit

@@OneStrangeDeer oh yeah, especially one shot ammo rscks

Ehmm Bulldog ekhmm

@@adrewadrew5860 Not as fast, not as good in reverse, higher profile, longer reload, less potent heat. So yes, but actually no.

@@kleebl00d84 0.3 s longer reload but better gun depression, power to weight ratio. have a turret, have access to apds and the most important 0.5 cal M2. Yes revers gear much worse but almost 20 km/h in revers is still good enough. Aa an better top speed. 2 km/h more but still.

@@adrewadrew5860the apds on bulldog is the worst things I have seen and Jpz 4-5 is super nice. And personally I think Jpz 4-5s mobility is better

well t55a has a full stabilizer over it

@@konna6130 the ztz also has one

@@zeldov5735 no it has a vertical stabilizer not a full 2 plane one. Meaning it doesnt work at over 23kmh speed

@@konna6130 worth having lr and era at such a low br, meanwhile trees like France get unstabilized light tanks with shitty apfsds at 8.3 lol

@@zeldov5735 yea france is in a bad position above 7.7 br. I think ztz59 needs to be 8.7 atleast or era in war thunder to be nerfed, no way it was that effective irl.

Said no one

I don’t have USA Rank 4 so I can’t judge them too much, from my experience fighting them using German and British tanks it seems the M26 and Jumbo are bad, the heavies are alright but they suck with stock ammunition, and M56 is good at camping but bad at attacking. The only American tank I truly fear is the Doom Turtle, that thing can sometimes bounce British APDS.

@@27jagersI can’t pen a tiger 2 h frontally, but the m4A2E3 (76) W can hold its own pretty good, it’s also kinda fast so anybody who has a lot of time in it and uses it correctly won’t have much issue with tiger 2’s. Only if I see them first lol

True. But you always face 5.7

@@27jagers m26 and t25e5 are pretty good. They may look bad for their BR at a glance, since the firepower(pen) and top speed isnt great, but they have great secondary advantages that are easily overlooked. Great steering, good reverse speed, good turret traverse, decent side armor, .50cal, amazing post-pen damage of APHE, not very obvious weak spots and can angle the armor. They pretty much have no weaknesses that a lot of other tanks at that tier have.

I got a 7.0 line up for the us with the t29 and I rarely see 7.7 or 8.0 games I constantly am fighting tiger twos and even tiger ones crazy op lineup now and sence I also got the a2d it’s just free sl

I literally got both Type 61s today and have been enjoying them so far. Now I just need the M41

I only like the STA 3 and the type 75 SPH. The other STAs aren't that fun, they feel too sluggish.

I agree, this change probably wasn’t necessary, but as a German main I ended up benefiting from it since no German tank was badly affected (Leo 1 and Raketenjagdpanzer play exactly the same at 8.0 as they did at 7.3). Thanks Gaijin😁

sorry but this is a brainlet take. Is6 is still extremely good at 7.7 and regularly carries games, i do agree with the t54 but if you are struggling as an is6 its you thats the problem

As a german main, i have a question for you, how tf am i supposed to pen a T34 in a tiger E?? Frontally!! (I mean the american T34)

@@LeroxYT Your comment really shows perfectly that the "German main" meme is absolutely still a thing, explain to me how am I supposed to pen a Tiger II H with a jumbo 75, a jumbo 76, a sherman 76, an M18 when it can literally one shot me from any range (yes even the jumbo)... Yeah guess what the tiger E is 6.0 and all the vehicles I mentioned are 5.7 or 6.3 in the case of the jumbo 76 and they have no chance of ever penning the 6.7 tiger II H at any range, but which in addition to existing in 3 variants (or 4 if you count the tiger II P) reloads much faster and has a much more reliable gun all the while being smaller and faster if you have the Sla 16 version, the 88mm shell also has a much higher velocity which makes long range firing easy, oh and that's without mentionning the jagdtiger at 6.7 too but yeah the American T34 is the problem. Mate the real problem is taking a 6.7 vehicle and saying that it is better than a 6.0 vehicle and complaining just because you cannot pen it frontally unlike every other tank you usually face with the tiger E, as for taking down the T34, T30 and T29 it's really not that complicated even with a tiger E, any sideshot will instantly destroy it because every German APHE makes a JDAM size explosion the moment it penetrates any tank, if you are at close range just take out it's gun there is a huge muzzle which makes it extremely easy to shoot out its gun or you can also bait him into shooting and then you have all the time in the world before it reloads, however if you get shot over long distance then that's too bad for you, its shells are very slow and thus the T34 will likely miss, you have to wait until it loses its focus on you and turns its turret (a shot to the side of the turret results in a one shot every often because ammo is stored there) or doesn't look at you allowing you to get a sideshow, I guess you now feel what it's like to be a sherman 76 when it meets an angled tiger, not everything has to be instantly killable from the front from 800m away especially not something that is at a full br higher than you

@@feluto7172 No, clearly not, it feels like an overweight medium tank, its armor is useless especially if it gets up tiered at 8.7 (where it meets apfsds + laser rangefinder), its survivability is shit (only 4 crew tightly packed) which often results in a one-shot, the only good things it has are its gun which gets aphe which basically one shots anything that isn't a British heavy (or overpens light tanks, but that's besides the point) but the gun is balanced by the long reload speed and poor depression and it also has good mobility, it is literally better to take any medium tank rather than the IS-6, I can do better with a T-44-100 at 7.7 rather than with the IS-6 and I can do much better with the 7.7 T-54 than with the IS-6, the only scenario where it rocks is when it gets down tiered at 6.7 otherwise I never see IS-6 "carrying the game" like you say, and after what I've shown you, even if it does carry the game that's only through the skill of the individual playing it and if said individual got into a T-54 he would do as good or likely better. But then again that br is simply going to get abandoned, no one is going to play USSR 7.7 because it is downright terrible (why do you think no one plays the IS-4M, a 7.7 heavy anyways), if you play the USSR at this br you have very few good tanks : namely you basically only have the T-54 and bmp-1 and this br as a whole sucks, if you get up tiered you're fucked because you face stabilized tanks with apfsds and rangefinder which are way better and more capable than your tanks, if you get down tiered on the other hand you are likely going to dominate, this all makes for a very frustrating experience and that's why everyone is going to go to the much better and more balanced USSR 8.7/8.3 which offers much better tanks and keeps the satisfaction of whenever you get a downtier (you have apfsds, laser rangefinder and stabilization and they don't) while at the same time still being very enjoyable when you get uptiered

I got heat-fs in my Japanese mediums at that tier as well

Try the famous War Thunder trick of going behind cover for a few seconds until the Tiger forgets you exist and turns his turret away. No guarantees but you’d be surprised how many times this actually works.

I'm playing a lot of American 6,7 lately and I'm eating king tigers for breakfast. The T34 is a beast. All 6,7 american heavys do really well against Tiger IIs in my experience.

Practice the mg port shot for all tiger II based vehicles. M82 will go through the mg port of the tiger II p and h, as well as the Jagdtiger, and it even works on the panthers with mg ports. It is not super consistent, but is a shot i can pull off regularly that counters them frontally.

Yeah, thank god "good tiger II player" is a dying species

@@wisewizard9552 yeah, at this point most have left war thunder having gotten sick of gaijins constant shit

@@wisewizard9552 Funny you mention it. Haven't played the game for months, first game today I get 2200 SP with the Tiger 2 SLA. RETURN OF THE GOOD TIGER 2 PLAYERS!

I’ve been playing USA 7.0 a lot lately and am always up against tiger 2s. I love it honestly, they all think they are invincible but super pershing, t29 and t34 just slap them through their mantlets no problem

@@Thiccron yeah they're not particularly clever, a smart tiger 2 baits with the upper front plate at an angle and smacks em on their reload

It was very good until T-34 (1942) got moved up to 4.0 in RB. Now, it’s still good, but not overpowered. If I remember correctly my highest kill game ever was with T-34 (1942) back when it was 3.7

@@27jagers USSR 4.0 is very solid. Yeah the guns on the vehicles suck but the only stuff you'd struggle penning are your own vehicles.

The Tiger 105 and Panther II should be 6.7 imo, but I think the reason they went up is because the people who have them are very skilled since they have been playing for years and those vehicles probably have high k/d and winrate. Germany doesn’t really have a 7.3 lineup anymore, so even if the Maus was 7.3 I would play it at 7.7. Interesting take on the IS-3 and IS-4. I think 7.0 is too low because then they would be up against vehicles like the Tiger I, Panther, Sherman 76 and those would get completely outclassed. 7.3 could work though, I’m okay with fighting them in my British and German 6.7 lineups.

@27jagers Regarding all the heavies bit, I should mention this is with the old BRs in mind. The current placement of Tiger I's and all the upping of tier 3 tanks is abhorrent. Either case, I get your point, but I do think shifting vehicles based upon player competency is very silly. The AFT in China, for example, is a modern Armored Car that fires 1200mm penetrating ATGMs, and for a while now, it sat around 8.3 due to poor win rates. I think they bumped it up now, but alas, their grading system being based on performance has always been rather faulty. A vehicle is only as good as its operators. They do belong in their own places of adjacency, yes, but the tank shouldn't be punished for competent operators. That's like basically uptiering the Tiger I because I'm very familiar with the tank, and at 5.7, I'd average around 9-11 kills per-match with just the H model alone. But yeah, point is, the tier 3 decompression was unneeded, and the late war super heavies should've been sat at 7.0-7.3. There use to be a point in Warthunder's history where you did see IS-4s while being in your Tiger II's. Without crazy caveats of what would now be uptiers. Back in the day, the biggest competitors to the Maus use to be T-54's and later, ZSU-57s. Now it's ATGMs. Sad times..

Agree on the panther 2 and tiger 10.5, but it definitely got moved up because of the win rates and kd of people who use them because my win rates and kd were extremely high on both of them

Even 6.0 Panthers are really deadly in the right hands but I think it's unfair for people who like panther to jump from 6.0 to 7.0 and going against 8.0 tanks, even though I would hate to fight a 6.7 panther, I think that is unfair tier they gave them.

It is indeed a very good tank, even after the battle rating changes. I don’t have it but I have the Centurion Mk. 3 which I think is an identical vehicle. Either way, it got moved up to 7.7 which is a huge buff to 6.7 vehicles that now see it much less often.

Mate, the entire British line at 7.7 is the same deal. The Sho't is just a Cent Mk 3 with a 50 cal. The Brits have the Conqueror which has tons of armor, two-plane, 487mm of pen from a 120 with great post-pen, and is okay with mobility. The reload is iffy, but if you get a downtier, counter-sniping Germans is like taking candy from a baby.

I hope this video teaches some people how to play King Tigers better because Germany’s win rate right now is abysmal.

I hope not@@27jagers

@@27jagers I do thank you for the video, I really wish german players knew the game better because fighting a competent team is alot more fun than a turkeyshoot.

Shhh don’t tell anyone, I survive so many situations because people don’t shoot my LFP

I just aim for the mg port

I pray for mercy from your tiger 2 enemies as they just lol pen you everywhere it hurt anytime I saw a 76 jumbo that didn't just pick a different direction despite me telling them to just go around my right or left side as it's clear for a flank

What

Indeed, they got the same benefit from the BR changes as the German 6.7

Yep, started it with a friend and I hope to grow it with the RU-vid channel.

@27jagers Oh hey I'm part of that squadron 🫡 (IGN: Flamestrom)

Exactly

I totally agree. I tried just playing the Tiger 2P and Fw-190 F-8 and still faced constant uptiers.

USA 6.7 is, for my opinion, still one of the best 6.7 lineups. I use the T26E5, T26E1-1, T34, M109, M41A1, P47D28, and the AM1

Definitely the Tiger 2 Sla. Everything that a Jagdpanther can do, the Tiger 2 can simply do better. The Jagdpanther is technically a bit faster, has a slightly lower profile, and they both have the same gun, but the Tiger 2 has far superior armour and a rotating turret which is super helpful. If you’re looking to buy the Tiger 2 Sla, while it is a very good vehicle, I would not recommend it as it is identical to the tech tree version. I would recommend you buy a more unique premium vehicle like the Ru 251 or Sturmtiger and use it to grind the tech tree Tiger 2, that way you can still have your Tiger 2 while also having a cool premium.

@@27jagers thanks for the idea! I’ll keep that in mind brotha. Have a good one.

I started playing 3 months ago. I have just reached rank V without any money spent.

@@MarinvanArtevelde yh I play it on and off casually it gets boring to grind

Yes please I hope they do that

Same bro, 100k rp left to go for me