@@Stevie-J ok and, who asked? The joke of the comment was a parody of dhar mann. No need to get political. Yeah, I bet it's all true what you said. But save it for a more relevant comment alright?
@@Stevie-J You are presenting your political opinion and then stating that you aren't being political. "This is a test to see if "political" simply means "something that vexes me" to you." This is a fallacious pile of trash.
@@Stevie-J I'm not someone who can't listen to politics, I like talking politics. But I made a decision ages ago to not keep talking politics when it's unrelated to the convo. Regardless of what you could've said, political or not, religious or not, in relation to anything else other than the actual comment I would've said the same thing about it being irrelevant and no point of it being in this thread. Even if you said something that aligns with any of my opinions, same point, irrelevant.
@@Stevie-J Robin Hood is definitely better than Jesus. Not only would Robin Hood have been nice enough to cure everybody of leprosy if he could, not just the occasional random folk who happened to get within groping distance of his cloak, but he'd also beat Jesus handily in an archery competition.
There is a popular theory, of which I am an adherent, that Sun Tzu was a fictional nom-de-plume made up by a bunch of generals of the era who got together to write a definitive text on warfare. None of them wanted their own names associated with the textbook because they didn't want their employers giving them a hard time. (Sun Tzu is particularly critical of Kings and Princes who think they know how to fight a war.) This explains a lot of things about the text, including how it's a bit repetitious about certain subjects, as well as the fact that some of the chapters have distinctly different writing styles.
"Gilgamesh ruled for 126 years..." I believe that 'years' were measured by growing seasons which, could be 3-6 months in length; depending upon location and prevalent crops being grown. It is not unfeasible for him to rule for 126 'seasons' or approximately 42 years. Living long enough to rule for close to 40 years would have been super-human in those times!
@@raceyrache8463 In the Bible the number 40 is real popular .... Wandering in the desert for 40 years Rained for 40 days and 40 nights Some person [can't remember who] tied his ass [donkey] to a tree and walked for 40 miles I asked a friend of mine who is a priest [I'm atheist] about this and he said it was how they expressed the concept of a long time or distance.
@@AFmedic reminds me of how the number ten thousand is a Taoistic expression for a very vast amount of something, kinda like using the word eons in English, it’s not meant to be literal but taken as meaning a long amount of time
Well we know that St Nicholas was a real historical figure. And there's a legend about him punching Arius in the face at the council of Nicaea. Imagine getting punched in the face by Santa.
A thousand years from now people will speak of the great Ask Joe, an amalgam of stories describing an online genius who educated the world during very dark times.
I wouldnt be shocked if in ten thousand years they talk about the great einstein who invented science and lifted all of humanity from mud huts into a technological age.
Fact: There is a non zero chance that at one point, the photoshopped picture of Hitler shaking hands with an Alien was sent by a satellite dish while missing it's target satellite, which given the nigh impossibility of pointing something in the exact same direction in space twice, also means that this picture is the one proof of human existence in that entire general direction of space.
@@Reneux - The way people love Keanu on the internet already, if they remember him in a thousand years he'll be on par with Jesus. I mean, he is a great guy though.
When I was a teenager working at a cafe an elderly gentleman saw my name tag & said " ah Helen, the face that launched a thousand ships". Being a naive teenager I didn't know the myth & thought he was implying that I had a big nose that could launch boats.
There's a famous basketball player that was nicknamed Hakeem the dream. I had never heard of him so when the other kids would call me The dream or [my name] the dream I couldn't tell if they were making fun of me because I fell asleep in class or I was really popular because dudes I had never met knew my name. It was a couple years later I learned my name was similar to this players name and it had nothing to do with me being popular.
@@markzambelli ROFLMAO!!!!! I wonder how many of those reading your comment had no clue who Ray Finkle is/was until they Googled it? Another lesson learned is, when on a date, make sure there is NO "big ole Mr. Kannish."
“The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.
I've been a carpenter for about 30 years, and during that time I have consistently written my name followed by "king of" whatever state I was in at the time on small objects and put them in foundations, sidewalks, and driveways. I've written it on framing studs, roof sheathing, and the backs of drywall sheets. I've also written horrible things about my best friend in the previously mentioned fashion. I hope that one day there's a RU-vid video questioning the validity of my kingship as well as the heinous sexual exploits of my buddy Scott and various farm animals.
King Arthur, funny how he's now portrayed as English but actually fought against the Anglo-Saxons, who at a later date were then defeated by the Norman's and became England. While the original Britons who Arthur was the king of were squeezed further and further west now being the country of Wales.
Independent Tribal areas to Roman's to Britons to Saxons to saxon/Norse back to Saxon to Frenchified Norsemen To Welsh. That's roughly 1500 years Ending in 1487
@@bigjo66 Not long before the Norman, it was on the century before they arrived. Till then England was a patchwork of smaller kingdoms. It makes no sense to seperate out anyone on these islands now. If you're from any part of them you'll have ancestors who were from every part of them, fighting on all side in every inter-British Isles war. There are no distinct peoples anymore.
From what I understand researching the mythology of Gemini, there were two eggs. One which sired Zeus's children, Pollux and Helen, while the other egg sired the children of Leda's mortal husband, Castor and Clytemnestra. Also Zeus's advances we're less than appreciated by Leda, if you know what I'm sayin.
Hey joe! Just want to say thank you! I’ve been a watcher for about a year or so now, but the last week or so I’ve gone down the rabbit hole and you’re my main Channel lately. People don’t realize the value in learning and you make it such a a fun time every time. Just want to say thanks for the knowledge!!!
What are you talking about? Mythology doesn’t mean fake. It means mythological, and that means possibly historically based but the important things are the lessons taken by the society that mythologized them
@@dstinnettmusic very specifically I am talking about treating mythology as a fact, which is a feature prominent in religious thinking. Even those who are critical of Christianity in the west tend to give undue deference to Christian mythology out of personal belief, or fear of censure.
@@CapnSnackbeard and I’m criticizing your point as coming from a place of bias against these stories. Your lack of belief doesn’t prove falsehood any more than a belief proves truth. What matters is what is, and specifically when it comes to your example of Judeo-Christian mythography, usually the myths have some element of truth but are exaggerated, which is the case with most mythology. It’s weird to single out one myth group.
2:30 I could not let this go because this statement here sounds sooooo familiar. The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. Credit: Wheel of Time
Yeah, I was hoping that he was going to make it into a reference considering how close that statement was, and how this video lines up so well with one of the themes of the books (that being the passage of time and distance changing how history is remembered).
Sun Tzu actually have an actual name, it's called Sun Wu. During that era, it is polite to call respectable people [family name] - Tzu. This is true for other great masters such as Kong Tzu, the person who started confucius. It may have been true that the art of war was redacted several times after Sun Tzu's death, but that person most likely existed.
Holy cow!!! You just ran through all those names in Greek mythology, Chinese, Scandinavian, etc....like you were saying Bill and Bob! That was amazing! AMAZING!!!
What’s weird is that I literally *just* finished reading an online article about a new version of the “Merlin/Arthur” story that was found in some page fragments in an old book in a Bristol, England library.
Usually when a youtuber pulls off some random acting bit like the intro was, it is cringy as heck. But you managed to pull it off very well, zero cringe, A+ acting. Legit lowkey impressed
When you are weak, make your enemy think you are strong. When you are strong, make your enemy think you are weak. Sun Tzu is well worth a read even if he may or may not be real actuallyz
@First Name Most of what he says is common sense; but sometimes it is worth going through a list of things that should be common sense to realise there are a few things you hadn't considered, or things you hadn't thought of like that before.
"Attack where your enemy is not." Well that just makes sense. WW1 Generals: Over the top, lads! Don't mind the machine guns, barbed wire, or unexploded artillery munitions.
Yeah, when I took a class on King Arthur, the professor said he was based on a real man who United local clans, but beyond that, it was all embellishments that came much later.
"Some day your life wil be nothing but a story. A story told by a lot of authors that aren't you, so give them some good source material" - Joe Scott. That's powerful dude. Thank you.
Pre-Moses biblican figures are never really believed excepy by literalists, but it is worth knowing that Moses also definitely did not exist. Nothing about that story matches the excellent historical records kept by the Egyptians. There was no single large migration as depicted at all.
@@SeanSMST Not likely. We have pretty good records of events the Egyptians tried to erase from history, like the Cult of the Sun and various other scandals among pharos. Historically, cultures that kept good records have not been as good at destroying them. That's why we know so much about the holocaust, despite the many records destroyed by the Nazis. Plus, it doesn't fit with any of the other archeological evidence, beyond records of the event itself.
@@Sam_on_RU-vid I said the possibility thinking it would have been like China is currently, but I understand that even still there were good records. I have the feeling Moses was real, just his story was either mixed with other stories or some fictitious events, just like it seems for Jesus. It's likely Jesus existed and was a preacher, but fanatic believers passed in rumors and stories of what he had done. We'll never know for sure though, which regardless of religious opinion I think is a shame.
Regarding Moses, I once read a (non-fiction) book on him that proposed that Moses did exist (several historical Egyptian rulers that were ousted would be likely candidates - e.g. Akhenaten, or Smenkhare, or Neferneferuaten, or one of the pharaohs of the Hyksos 15th dynasty, or the Semitic 14th) BUT there was no large migration at all (their rule of thumb on Genesis/Exodus numbers was 'scratch off one zero or even two' so there were not 40 000 men with him, but 4000). Speaking of pre-Moses figures, another explanation for the implausibly long lifespans was that they were months that a clerical error made years (so Methuselah lived 70-ish years, still a lot for the ancient period)
@@SeanSMST There is quite a bit of debate about Jesus being real as well. It seems like an overwhelming consensus because most people count religious scholars. But among scholars who don't have a religious conviction about it, it is hotly debated. There is SOME evidence he was real, but that evidence is much weaker than you'd expect. As for Moses, anything recognizable as a basis for that story is very unlikely to be true. There is no evidence for a mass migration, for large numbers of Jewish slaves in Egypt, for anyone in a family from Egyptian leadership bearing any resemblance to Moses, or the catastrophes described by the plagues. There is some speculation that it could have been partially inspired by a real volcanic eruption, but that is a far cry from evidence of any individual resembling Moses.
Hi Joe. I came across your foreign mysterious deaths and disappearance video from April 13th of 2020. I just want to thank you for showcasing that and getting the word out there about my people's problems I'm Lakota from South Dakota and I live in Utah, USA. Murdered and missing indigenous women goes widely ignored. I'm just thankful that you actually gave an honest view on it and told facts and did not lie thank you.
2:40 that was a very good opportunity for a Lord of the Rings reference... "And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend. Legend became myth."
Okay, the "milli-Helen" metric made me laugh out loud -- which was kinda embarrassing, considering I'm watching this from work while waiting for a meeting to start. 😄 Oh, and an enthusiastic thumbs-up for the photo of Daisy! Woot! (What's her milli-Helen rating?)
Calling from that photo, I'd rate her at at least 550 to 600 MH. But rating women based on their appearance alone kind of got out of style over the last few decades. Luckily, Daisy's also a great author and columnist. Always a good read.
@@lonestarr1490 While rating a woman *only* on her physical appearance does do her a disservice, in the long run, we're still wired by about 2 million years of evolution to appreciate the aesthetics of beauty. We are visual creatures, and physical attraction gets our attention. That's not a *bad* thing, so long as that's not the ONLY thing. :)
Ik a 126 years is still insane but I’ve often wondered if healthy people back then would’ve lived longer than us because of the quality of the plants and animals they ate, and the air they breathed
What about Tim Dodd? Does he really exist? Did Joe just build him from a kit so his own beard would appear magnificent in comparison? Will future historians recognize him as a real person or simply an avatar created to distract us
I heard that the story of King Arthur was actually a metaphor of ancient britan's gradual transformation from the stone age to the iron age. That is, the "sword in the stone" is a metaphor for ore extraction which transformed ancient societies.
The sword removed from the stone is much older. In Greek myth, Theseus removed a sword from under a stone and thus became king. In Norse myth, the father of Siegfried did the same.
The whole idea of Helen of Troy’s beauty as the impetus for launching 1000 ships is a perfect example of how oral stories grown and change through the internet retelling the oral tradition. Initially, there were probably only a few ships, those relevant to Mycenae and to Troy. However, as a story was told through the generations, people wanted their cities and towns to become involved in the story as well. Thus, five ships became, 10 ships became 20 ships, and 20 ships became 1000 ships as storytellers expanded the take by adding their own cities. Incidentally, Dactylic hexameter, which is the rhyme scheme of both “Thr Iliad” and “The Odyssey”, was used to help remember the poem. Familiar and predictable rhyme schemes help to commit such long poems to memory.
Why enter the Jesus minefield when you can step right into the Moses (who definitively did not exist and very likely is just a mishmash of older myths) minefield.
@@blakelandry - I think the best theory going is that Jesus was a case of a pre-exisiting mythical figure being placed into a historical time as if the stories were referring to a single, real person. It's a version of euhemerism.
The historicity of various religious figures of antiquity has been elsewhere thoroughly covered, Joe, so I'm not going to ride you for missing out any. In case, however, you want fare for a future installment, Steve Martin once posited the question, "Howdy Doody, man or myth?" He never followed up on it, and ever since it's been bugging me at the back of my mind.
Joe is posting consistently again! Makes me want to cry because I was in the car with family and they were talking about tesla. I wasn't up to date because there's no not OLF and it tears me up inside!
I know three nerds on a RU-vid channel shouldn’t be my sole source of info but I do feel significantly less informed than I did when those three were together…
Monte Python's recount of the duel between Arthur and the Black Knight was accurate. George Lucas' version at the end of Revenge of the Sith was typical Hollywood embellishment.
Listen: Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Could be worse. It's been said that you die twice. The first time when your physical body dies and the second, the last time someone mentions your name.
For a really deep dive into the historical Arthur read "The Keys to Avalon" by Steve Blake and Scott Lloyd. It may have a bit of a Welsh nationalist agenda behind it but is very convincing in its reasonably tentative conclusions.
@@slyseal2091 I did think about this, and I would say no, however on a technicality you may be able to use a computer to do so, but it would obviously involve known and common forms of transport
If the required deep diving suite, and a way to generate oxygen is invented.. it might be possible to walk to Hawaii in the future... or you could wait until the Sun enters it's red giant phase.. Then it'll be dry enough.
12:40 - "He doesn't seem to show up in any of the documents from that time period." There were almost no documents from that time period. That's why it's called "The Dark Ages".
"There were almost no documents from that time period." There actually were documents in that time, plenty of them. How do I know this, you ask? What we in the Western world refer to as "the Dark Ages" was also known as the Golden Age of Science for many Eastern (and largely Muslim-led) nations. Of course, those people and their histories are often forgotten because the goings-on of non-Western places and their people, as well as followers of non-Judeo-Christian religions, are of course less important and treated as such by historians.
Modern historians no longer use the term Dark Ages. I'm looking forward to reading a book I've requested from my local library system: The Light Ages: The Surprising Story of Medieval Science by Seb Falk. And that's specifically about European History. Published in November, 2020.
the "dark ages" are grossly overstated and most historians no longer use that phrase. The podcast "Our Fake History" has at least one episode on this topic. It might be a two parter.
Actually, the version I know of the very effed up birth of Leda's children is that Helen and Pollux came from the same egg, as they were both Zeus' children, while Castor shared the same egg with Clitemnestra (Agamemnon's future wife, mother to both Orestes and Iphygenya), both of them being the children of Leda's husband, the king of Sparta (whose name I can never remember, I think it was Electrion or something like that). Helen appears in another legend, when she's abducted by Theseus (the guy who slayed the Minotaur) when she was 15, to be his wife, with her brothers waging war on Athens to get her back. This is presumed to be the origin myth or the age-old hatred between Sparta and Athens. Sidenote, couple this with the story of how Theseus seduced and later abandoned Ariadnae, Minos' daughter, and...you know why Theseus is the most effed up of the Ancient Greek heroes and why most everyone hated Athens back then :)).
This is the first time anything anyone makes sense or notices the same with many people and different places Worship. No one else has the merit but you. So good on you.
I now bought curiosity bundled with Nebula and got to enjoy this video already yesterday, BUT... Nebula doesn't have a comment section, which is an absolute dealbreaker and even though I get to watch the video 1 day earlier I still have to wait a week before the next video :/ I'll let the subscribtion run to support alternatives to RU-vid, but the missing comment section on Nebula makes it unusable!
Rollo "The Walker" is another interesting viking figure who invaded France and was ceded lands by the french king which he settled and which became the Duchy of Normandy (meaning place of the Northmen) his descendent was William the Conquerer founding the english royal family and english aristocracy
@Joe Scott - If the "legend" of King Arthur makes your brain hurt, then may I suggest looking up her story in the Fate light novel, anime, and visual novel series? (Saber class Servant, birth name Artoria Pendragon. Sometimes spelled Arturia, from Artorius, a famous Roman general.) Yes, Aurtur is gender-flipped in the Fate series.
by any chance do you know if that is just the artur-based servants or the original too? 'cause the servants are based on the legend not the actual person (though in the setting most of those legends are semi-factual history) and it tends to take a great deal of liberties with the details when summoning them ranging from a simple genderbending to summoning the "same" servant as several different classes with several different personalities in several wars...also apparently saber-face is an actual thing in setting? no idea if that is the grail sticking a default template on anything it feels like or something else in the setting spitting out eerily similar people throughout history. closest thing to an explanation for the servants being so jarringly different from their legends in-setting as well as out I've ever seen is that a lot of those legends have their own still active grail-equivalent entities and it does *not* want to get too close and poke the proverbial sleeping dragon but I can't even remember if that is coming straight out of one of the shows or from some crazy fan theory let alone know enough about the Fate setting to parse it for plausibility. I know at least some of the aurthurian Saber servants get sucked into the sidelines of the "each time I picked up my sword" moment-shared-through-time thing but again no idea what actually goes on in there just that at least one version of saber specifically mentions *_KNOWING_* that they are a fake because they've seen the original in that shared moment and seen many other servant-fakes looking in from around the edges (I don't know what happens in there _in fate_ in what little I know of Arthurian legend he gets an infinite amount of time to consider his decision on whether or not to take up the sword in the moment of drawing it with the moment shared by all versions of him making the decision, they do not retain any information from this but they _are_ making the decision side by side with future versions of themselves: little kid arthur draws that sword knowing full well he is going to die alone and betrayed surrounded by the corpses of most of his friends).
Regarding Jesus... it's rather coincidental that pictures and stories about him closely resemble Dionysus - a Greek God with white skin and blond(ish) hair who was also crucified only to rise again three days later. Dionysus was heavily worshiped throughout the Middle East (because the Mediterranean - Jerusalem is a scant 780 miles from Athens in virtually a straight line across the sea), and the Christians are well known for "appropriating" other mythologies to fit their own mythos (see Christmas and/or Easter).
@nadia poole -- The "historical" evidence you cite has been proven by multiple historians to be a fake. The fact of the matter is, out of dozens upon dozens of historical writers alive during Jesus's alleged life, NOT ONE of them ever mentioned him. You'd think a guy performing miracles and eventually brought before Roman justice only to magically disappear after three days in a crypt... would get at least a small mention by at least one or two of them. But we got nothing. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bmjQ1566ql0.html
I just googled this and can't find any 3 day risen myth associated with Dionysus. I also can't find any mention of him being crucified so....i dont think this holds any water. Jesus has been pretty well verified as being a real person. But jesus was very clearly not white. There's basically zero chance he was anything but a brown/black skinned jew from the middle east, which makes western christrianity hilarious.
Surprised you didn't mention Shakespeare. Many scholars believe he wasn't a single person but was instead a group of authors writing under a singular pen name.
I was gonna comment this. I'm glad I scrolled down. This one is pretty hotly contested. The last version I heard is that Shakespeare likely was a person but that many other works have been attributed to him. So he wrote some of his plays but not all of them.
Wilhelm Tell, or William in English, is apparently an all together fictional character loosely based on a Danish viking. Pity for all the people in Switzerland who for centuries regarded him as a folk hero.
@@somemedic8482 No contemporary writings of Jesus. The earliest versions of the gospels we have are from the second or third century. The earliest writings about him described him as a heavenly figure that would appear in visions, not as a man. The earliest "historical" non religious writings of him are either still based on scripture or were added much later by the church to support his existence. And again, none of the "historical" non religious writings of him were contemporary. The stories about him are clearly adopted from other fairly common stories of the time. Christianity borrowed tons of stuff from other religions, including savior myths. The concept of heaven and hell for instance was borrowed from Zoroastrianism, Judaism likely also borrowed from Zoroastrianism. When the second temple was destroyed they needed a way to commune with god, (inventing) Jesus was the solution. There's a lot more but this should get you started. Also, it's not really possible to definitively prove he didn't exist but there really isn't any good historical evidence that he did exist. Check out "On the Historicity of Jesus" or "Why Invent the Jesus" (or many others) by Richard Carrier. He does a good job of laying things out (a lot better than I can). He has a PhD in ancient history.
I thought the same thing about how he didn’t mention Muhammed…. Granted, I have no qualms with saying that all three existed…. Albeit maybe not in the way we see them now.
@@Foxfire-xq5ij "Al Muqaddimah" , "Useful charts" and "Let's talk religion" did a collaboration on the three central figures of the three Abrahamic religions and if they existed. its a fascinating study.
“‘If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight!’ Sun Zu said that, and I’d say he k I was a little bit more about gifting than you do pal, considering he invented it!” TF2 Soldier
Last I checked there was exactly zero contemporary accounts of Buddha or Jesus. Everything we know of them, including from archaeology, is from well after their supposed lifetimes.
People seriously and scientifically interested to see if Jesus was a true historic figure and if his claims about himself are/were true should check out the books: Evidence that demands a Verdict and More Evidence that Demands a Verdict, both by Josh McDowell. Well researched and logically discussed.
@@harrkev is being skeptical of supernatural claims recorded throughout history the same as ignoring history to you? Should we accept that the Battle of the Milvian Bridge was was won through divine intervention? Should we believe that Aleister Crowley could teleport, summon spirits etc.? Should we accept that Nicholas Flamel created the philosophers stone? Fine, just ignore history then, you could say. Or you could recognise that just because you believe something to be history, that doesn't make it so. The bible, the book of Mormon, the Quran, these are all history to someone in the world, that doesn't mean that people who don't believe are "ignoring history" now, does it?
@Deborah Hearne but why would you believe it can be done at all? My point was simply- just because someone says that something happened, that doesn't mean it actually happened, isn't that fair enough? Because, personally, I've never seen, or heard, any good reason to believe that spirits can be summoned. Have you?
Jean-Luc Godard asked, What if the Odyssey and the Iliad weren't written by Homer, but actually written by a different Greek author who coincidentally also happened to be named Homer