As a professional musician for decades, I've seen the concept of "planned obsolescence" first hand. To my mind, gear is NEVER obsolete as long as it serves your purposes. My all-time favorite synthesizer was the Ensoniq TS-12 (which was made in Malvern, Pennsylvania, of all places), and mine lasted me some 26 years. When it finally gave up the ghost, it was like losing a family member. As fellow posters have said about cameras, buying the latest, top-of-the-line, all-the-bells-and-whistles Roland or Korg or Yamaha or whatever will NOT make you a better musician. That "obsolete" synth, made by a company that long ago ceased to exist, was a great tool for me. I don't need the latest and greatest; in music as with all creative disciplines, the art must come from within you. The hardware can certainly make things easier, but it can't stand in for actual talent. Cut my electrical power and take away my gear and put me in front of a normal piano; I can still make good music for you. Regarding photography, as a hobbyist, I used my 300D for nearly 20 years without ever taking it out of full auto. I finally decided it was time to learn about how to take pictures rather than let the camera do the thinking for me. On the advice of a friend in the UK who is an excellent photographer, I picked up a used 20D and 7D and some reasonably decent glass, and then set myself the task of learning about the triangle. After a short while, I felt comfortable enough to justify the purchase of a used 1DX Mark III as a 60th birthday present to myself. Granted, that camera is complete overkill for someone like me, but I've enjoyed working with it immensely. I'm more than happy to stay with the gear I have, with plans to add a few more good lenses. The move to mirrorless would involve an expense that I really can't justify.
I purchased recently a 1Dx Mark III. Upgrading from my first gen 1dx. I like the workflow and handling of the body and it works so well for me. In 10 years maybe I will look at upgrading to a mirrorless 1 series. been shooting DSLR since 2003 :) I actually disabled the touch screen feature LOL.
I went from a 1Dx1, to 2, and now considering the 3. From the 1 to 2 was a huge step... I can only imagine how your mind must have been blown when you went from the 1 to 3! 😂👍🏾
The Canon EOS R3 is a great camera and in many ways can be seen as a RF replacement for the 1DX Mark III. However, Canon has gone to great pains to emphasize that it is NOT their flagship body. The much anticipated R1 is expected to be the Canon flagship.
yes, but way more expensive and mid 2023 by all rumours...and it'll be probably overkill for all but the most demanding of professional sports and wildlife photographers...
The 1DX is still an incredibly capable machine. It would be nice but not necessary to change to a mirrorless system if you already have an established gear loadout with dslrs. Only fools think a better rig will make them a better photographer.
So your telling me your 70-200 at 200 F2.8 will create as nice an image as a 200mm L 2.0. I don’t think so. And if you don’t think equipment can separate to equal photographers you would be mistaken.
@@robertmenzies4884 I wasn't even talking about lenses but yeah totally. Not only are the vast majority of lenses made since the 70's super-sharp, also no one gives a shit about what lens you used to take a picture lmao. What they will remember however is how your picture made them feel. There is nothing wrong with wanting to use the best lenses but it won't automatically teach you compositional or creative skills. You can't buy experience.
Only upgrading will potentially improve your work if you’ve maxed out your current gear. Certain features matter to a small portion of enthusiasts and pros. If they need it, they need it.
well, the EOS5 was the actual grandfather. The 3 was the 2nd attempt by Canon at eye focus tracking. Glad to see someone else remembers these older techs and people today aren't just going "wow, this new tech" lol.
the buttons for quick settings change on the top right of the 1dx series is a must have for events. Sad they did not make them on the R3. 30 fps is great but the 150 pics buffer limit also does not provide the same reliability, speed and endurance that the 1dx gives for any unpredictable situations. Imagine shooting one action shot in the olympics with 30fps and immediately something great happens after and you end up waiting with the camera buffering! unlimited shots across an extended duration of time still gets more great pictures than more fps of one moment while sacrificing everything else after :(
What's more worrying, especially at this price point, is that it's only weather proof (in 2022, at least the R6 should have that, making the iPhone in that respect more pro...). So not rugged at all, the card door is a joke and the Flippy screen is scary as hell with all that weight. Do we really need it to flip 🙃 into selfy-position?! Besides that you get the best position if you actually lie down on the floor and get yourself INTO the scene, but that's maybe just my thing...)
6:45 Eye Control AF is twenty four year old tech (introduced in the Canon EOS 3 in 1998) they FINALLY brought to mirrorless from the film days. You lose credibility by saying this is just the beginning of this tech for not knowing that.
the eye detection isn't new - it was on the original eos5 film camera many years ago, late 90s. Canon dropped it after the 5, don't know why, cos it was pretty cool. Glad to see it back imho.
A discussion on the low light sports capabilities of the two would have been beneficial. 1DX is a pretty good in low light sports. How does the R3 measure up?
One reason to cancel out R3 - the EVF lag. It is quite fast but not the same as the speed of light/OVF. Most possibly, it won't ever be. Mirrorless is NOT as efficient as DSLR for speed photography. Sorry.
I don't know why this topic is always swept under the rug in all reviews. For someone that shoots extremely fast paced ball sports and motorsports, that could be a deal breaker.
@@keithkreatives because manufacturers don't want users to know this. Likewise, paid promoters strictly avoid mentioning it. But experienced photographers know this very well.
4 more Megapixels is just NOT enough for me to give up my 1DXMK3…plus the R3 being smaller is a bad thing (for me) because in my hands, my 1DXMK3 is SMALL 😮
Please show me 10 pictures you shot with the R3 that you can not shoot with a 1DX iii.. I have shot a lot with both.. Yes there is a difference but worth selling my gear and start over with R3.. in no 100 years
Also I'm still in favor of a heavier camera for stability. IBIS and VR doesn't help when shooting high speed. Also with weight you'll need do a full kit weight. The lenses definitely make the R3 a better option.
If you decide to move into the R3 you can either use adapter with EF lenses which don't work very good with your R3 or you have to spend MORE MONEY on all new RF lenses .
@@garymeredith2441 You don't need EF glass. The initial investment into an R3 is the only hurdle. But as always, you just write off the equipment on your business taxes. I personally still would go with Nikon. I was a graphic designer for a very long time and while I still love doing it. For work, I want to reduce the amount of time I spend editing vs working. Nikon is the only brand currently with a color profile straight out of camera, that has been for me anyway, acceptable for my clients. I'm all about using my time smart. For most shooters that know what their niche is, they don't need a lot of lenses.
If i wanted to go down the root of going from my 1DX3 to the R3, then i would also have to "upgrade" ALL my EF lenses as well. As the older EF glass are NOT compatible with any of the mirrorless cameras. like my MKI 500f4 Prime for example is AWESOME on the 1DX3 but is REALLY bad on the R5(so would be on the R3 as well). Which is going to be very expensive!. So the question i would ask myself, IF I wanted to "start again" and go mirrorless, would I stick with Canon or would I have a change(Nikon, Sony etc etc) hmmmm!
I am sure you know but in case others don’t, Canon makes an adapter (actually 2 different ) that allows you to use the EF glass. I use the R3 and EF glass daily…even when I use RF glass, I see zero quality difference. As a sports shooter with multiple bodies, I have to say the R3 is a breathe of fresh air with 30fps and gorgeous image quality….the 1DX line is equally impressive but being lighter and faster is a game changer!
@@keithlucas1191 Yeah i am well aware of the adaptors!. What i was on about was the "older" EF lenses are not that good with the R cameras(slow focusing, smaller focus area, very low FPS etc etc). So as I said, I would have to start all over again!!!
@@wot-not How about considering it a transition period? Meaning....I'm also married to Canon glass but I plan to start with the adapter and slowly sell off my old glass for new RF glass. I'm a devout DSLR shooter but this new technology just has me hooked. Going on 60 years old, what the hell right? I just gotta have it while I can still shoot. :)
16 fps mechanical shutter, unlimited buffer, no banding issues, no jello warping of straight lines due to electronic shutter issues - pretty sure the 1dxIII is the obvious choice for a pro sports shooter. 150 shots at 20fps is about 7 seconds before the buffer is full if your shooting multiple subjects in fast moving sports thats not great. How long to clear the buffer shooting raw to two cards simultaniously?
You can shoot 15fps mechanical with the R3 with no warping...yes, the buffer is weak vs the 1Dx, quite surprised at how bad it is in comparison to be honest. edit: I'd say the CanonCrippleHammer™ has hit the R3 to make the R1 look better when it is released. It is rather odd that the buffer is so slow, given CFAST support and a stacked BMI sensor too which has a much faster readout speed. I can't remember if the R3 uses a single digic X IC or double like the 1Dx III...that may be part of the reason.
This review says it all. The R3 is at least an equal to the marklll 1DX. I have two 1dx’s and they are great, but, when the R1 comes out the 1DX is over. The EF glass is some of the greatest. And if you see how other great cameras use older lenses I think like a lens such as the EF 200mm F2.0 will move with the R3 and future R1. That is one of several lenses that has so much character that with adapter the old glass will still be current. Yes speed and IS will improve but that is a fraction of the need for many compositional opportunities. The reality is we have to move forward and it is going to be painful for many us that have in the tens and tens of EF glass price wise but we have to accept. The deniers that say it’s manipulation have only need to look back at the guys in the late 90’s early 2000’s that said digital will never match photo quality. And now what, we try to plan for noise to put a little grain back in a photo. Jajaja! Point being - Mirrorless is as good and will absolutely only get better. Just bought second R3 as R1 will not hit the shelves until summer of 24 at earliest and that will be for the first ups. If your not connected plan till the end of 24. The reason no hurry is Canon will time for the Olympics for the Pros and they need more time to generate RF glass. The RF glass that is out is incredible but it is a fraction of the EF L glass plus specialty as tilt varied Macros. And current Rf designs will need to be improved especially when you look at the poor flexibility of the new Converters for the new glass. They are paper weights in my opinion. You can only use partial range of the 200-500 RF with the converter and you pay so much for the RF 70-200 and the converter cannot be used at all. I guess the geometry prevents the use of converters but if they don’t come up with a way to correct that is a huge loss in x converters. Bottom line enjoy the new MILC ride. I will have some DX’s to sell shortly. Grrrrr!
I have been shooting with the 1DX iii since it first can me out - having previously owned (and continued to own a 1DX MK ii. I have recently sold my 1DXii and my new R3 arrives on Tuesday. I will wait and see how it performs as I will be very reluctant to give up on my 1DX iii as it is just such. A reliable workhorse in every situation I have encountered. I am hoping the R3 and future firmware upgrades will solve the buffer issue 30 FPS and a buffer of 150 frames only gives 5 seconds …. But much time in sport or wildlife …. So we will see
@@danglassphoto hi, I have been extremely pleased with it so far. The additional frame rate is a real Bonus and it works perfectly with EF L primes - any questions please just ask and I will be happy to help if I can
The Canon 1Dx III can shoot mechanical 20fps in live view mode and not just electronic. It can actually matter quite a bit, as a birder this is huge and distorts BIF shots in a big way because the panning motion exacerbates it a lot.
The eye controlled AF works better if there is less light leaking from the outside into the evf. So unfortunately people wearing glasses can't bring their eye totally against the cup so potentially eye controlled AF works less well for them
you can change the dioptre I think on the EVF though can't you? That way, you can forgo your glasses and just use the EVF sans glasses and voila, eye tracking should work OK again.
Well, to me even Canon 1D Mark IV holds more value than R3. Three important features say it all: OVF. Viewing subjects at the speed of light helps capture decisive moments instantly. 30% more reach that is highly important for wildlife photography. Double battery life.
I would love to see Canon develop a modern RF APS-H sensor camera that would replace the 1D Mark IV! In many ways it would be an ideal camera for Wildlife Photographers striking a nice balance between the effective reach of a crop sensor and the light gathering capability and better low light sensitivity of a larger sensor. I would love to see the R3 body with a stacked BSI fast APS-H sensor retaining the AF and much of the video capabilities of the R3!
1.3x crop vs full frame, not so big a difference, even with wildlife photography imho. APS-C vs FF is nice, yes. 390mm vs 480mm for 1.3x vs 1.6 crop and a 300mm lens. High ISO performance - the R3 will be 2 to 3 stops better at higher ISO than the older IV camera. This is pretty important in wildlife photography. Battery life is limited due to the EVF. Not much can be done, but by all accounts, you can get a good 1000 shots from a single battery with the R3. Take a few spare batteries with you and it's a moot point. The EVF lets you see the histogram in real time too - making it easier to adjust exposure on the fly. AF performance - the R3 (any mirrorless body with IBIS and dual pixel AF and bird eye/animal tracking will mutilate the older IV's AF system. Not even a fair competition. IBIS + lens IS is also a large improvement over just lens IS. You can also AF past f8 with these mirrorless cameras. On all AF points. That's HUGE. Lighter and smaller - no competition here either, especially if you're carrying a large telephoto lens such as a 500mm F4 IS L or even larger. As much as I have been stubbornly sticking to DSLRs, I am now grudgingly admitting that mirrorless is a far better option now. In nearly every way. And, that gap is only going to continue to get larger as time goes by. There's a reason why Canon will not be making any further DSLRs. EVER.
@@VABrowneMDPhD Noise is the issue. Many wildlife photographers are regularly shooting at ISO3200 to 12800. A crop sensor is never going to perform as good as a FF sensor. It's just the laws of physics. I had a look at the R7, and at ISO1600, I'd honestly say that the R5 is 2 stops better. The R6 even more so with its FF sensor and only 24mp.
No matter how many bells and whistles you throw into the new canon mirrorless cameras, it’s always going to come down to “is the image actually good?“ And sadly the R3 falls short of that. The Images themselves look extremely flat, the colors look dull and lifeless, and it’s pretty consistent in every single R3 image I’ve seen The bottom line is no one‘s gonna look at those photos at any point in time and say “the eye control auto focus was great right there!” whatever canon did to their sensors past the 1DX mark ii, it took a turn for the worst in terms of image quality
I agree a million percent Canon has just gone down the toilet as far as I'm concerned , if somebody wants to move into a Mirrorless system the obvious choice is Sony . How do I know this I've tried it , with both the R3 and the R7 Canon system sucked and I got rid of them both of these mirrorless cameras .
@@louisepaige9461 no. they gave the 1dx 3 a mirrorless sensor to give it better autofocusing capabilities and no anti-aliasing filtering which means more sharpness in the images. but it's not the same image quality as it once was. The image doesn't have to be the sharpest to enjoy the beauty of it. And the color science took a nose dive too, because that is more on par with canon's newer cameras. So no, the 1dx III does not count.
@@Spartanshaq777 thanks for your insight.. i completely get it, when i upgraded from my 5D2 to 5D3 i hated it, i still use the 5D2 for so many shoots. The sensor colors, and results completely different. Got old 1DIV body but was thinking of upgrading. Because i do need something better at autofocus, but losing that quality not sure worth it
@@louisepaige9461 yeah, I mean I keep looking at the canon R3 to try to give it a chance because I do want another shooter that can hit 30+ frames. But for some particular reason, I'm not impressed.
Not sure if smaller size and weight are a benefit. When I bought the original 1D X, the large size and weight was one of the main reasons for me to buy it. The alternative would have been the 5D Mark III, which almost was the same camera in a smaller body for half the price. So I basically paid 3000 Euros more just to have a larger and heavier body. For me a professional camera that costs a lot of money has to be large and heavy. The Sony A1 might also be a professional camera, but it looks and feels like a toy. If a camera is so small, it has to be much cheaper in my opinion. As the R3 is much smaller than the 1D X III, it should also be a third or so cheaper. Otherwise it costs much more per kilo.
WTF? Smaller/lighter, so it should be cheaper? You're not paying for the size, you're paying for the tech inside. I think you're overcompensating for something else ;-)
Film cameras from the heyday were 2x times smaller than the 1Dx, but photo journalists got it done. Hell, leicas are tiny and some journalists swear by leica. It's crazy that you paid for the 1dx just because it was bigger, you got ripped off mate
@@xxGravyBabyxx Of course the size also made it sturdier and if someone would grab my camera and run, I would be more likely to catch him, because carrying a 1D X slows you down. What angers me about the 1D X though is the problem with broken main boards. Mine stopped working last year and I had to pay more than 600 Euros to get it replaced by Canon. I learned that the same happened to many 1D X owners. I wonder if the new main board will also stop working after a few years.
The new wave of mirrorless cameras are way too fragile they cannot take the abuse of a good old Canon 1DX or a good old Nikon D5 these cameras are built like Sherman tanks , the new Mirrorless Cameras that Nikon , Canon and Sony build today are not built to take abuse .
@@garymeredith2441 That's also my fear. The electronic viewfinder might break sooner or later and IBIS might also be very fragile. However the 1D X cameras had a serious flaw. After a few years many of them had a broken main board. I had to replace mine for more that 600 Euros. One guy even wrote that it already happened to him twice on the same camera. So the replacement board seems to be the same fragile one that came with the original camera. For now I will stick to the 1D X at least until it breaks again. It does everything I want. There is no killer feature that I am missing. I even took it on a trip around the world last year.
There's no Need for any camera..especially 6 reasons. stop all the push marketing please. There's more involved than just the camera, there's discussions on what lens what speed what aperture ect, then what photo software to use, then what editing screen then do you know how to correctly use the image software sharpening ect...Then there's AI programs you can purchase to fix noise, ect ect.. So the point is it's a whole learning curve to photography, not 6 reasons to purchase just a new camera. Most people purchasing these cameras can hardly find where to turn the darn thing on..😵💫 Cheers Mike
To each his own, I personally think these new camera's and lenses image output looks flat but that's just me and I'm talking most cameras released after 2008. Both have limitations, if your goal is to shoot video mainly go with the R3, stills go with the 1Dx. The R3 and other mirrorless cameras have reduced the flash sync speed and more megapixels doesn't mean better images especially if you plan to print which is more perceptual than technical. A 12mp Nikon D700 will still produce better prints than most modern cameras, same for the Canon 5D Mark I & II. It depends on what you're willing to lose for what you will gain in mirrorless. Battery consumption Memory card type and availability Flash sync speeds Front curtain sync EVF vs OVF Frame rates Quieter A bunch of AF points that still can't out* do less on a DSLR at least not yet. Honestly I think the manufacturers are sand bagging on purpose. Weight is a big one for people these days but they could just carry less stuff. Mechanical shutter vs Electronic shutter Sensor cleanliness (the R3 specifically attracts a lot of dust, dirt and debris) so stopping down just shows all the gunk. AF systems. Mirrorless still hasn't surpassed DSLR in AF however they make up for it by shooting higher frame rates. Mirrorless still struggle in some situations including Sony, Canon and Nikon. As much hate that the Nikon D6 got, it's literally the only camera with usable images at 102k iso, meaning you can shoot at least 2 stops faster than the Z9 and pretty any other camera on the market in low light.
@@mdbedelsohn4307 The 1Dx III has about the same pixel pitch as my D200 from 2005 but uses a CMOS sensor instead of CCD. The D200 jpegs edit like raw files but are like 1mb. CMOS wasn't an upgrade in image quality. Lenses matter, look at Leica, and old Nikkor glass. If you prefer squeaky clean, clinical no character glass get the current new stuff.
@@dct124 should be around the dame pixel pitch as the 5d2. Both are 20mp. As for glass, a agree it's getting too sharp/ clinical. But still love some of the older EF glass
@@mdbedelsohn4307 When I shoot raw I use the Nikon NX software, save as TIFF then move to other software. I don't shoot professionally anymore so I don't need Raw at all. My old friend still uses jpeg for his business only and turns out $5k-$12k per website. I think a lot photographers just like playing with sliders 🤣 When he was doing apps, he'd used 700kb-1mb jpegs and made around $20k off 1 job. It depends on use case for many things in photo/video. His sister we'd given her my original D200 with nearly 1mil clicks and she uses it for real estate photos as a real estate agent still to this day.
The R3 is not good for shooting in hot weather...... specially in areas like Arizona, Nevada, and some areas in California where it gets 115 degrees....... I attempted it and shooting 4k or raw with the R3 in the desert=overheating and shutdown ......
The R3 can be completely silent in electronic shutter mode. The mechanical shutter still has a sound but it's dampened. However the "silent shutter" mode does not reduce the mechanical shutter slap sound further. It just turns off all the speaker sounds and indicators etc.