You mean that genuine PPU sniper I bought from that magazine that one time that came with an autographed copy of _Enemy at the Gates_ might actually be...not genuine?!
It probably not a real one. I mean if it had been used in the movie Enermy at the Gates, then it is highly a fake or cheep one. I mean most of the weapons that are used in movies about the World War is or isnt something they had made cheep or fake, only to foul your eyes. Take the weapons in Band of Brothers. They are more or less airsoft weapons, they arent build for real bullet (
I appreciate the effort in putting this video together, and the fact that you are giving mosins some love. However this video is missing some key information regarding features that can be used to identify a true pu sniper. For example the scope number being stamped on the receiver, proper import markings associated with known legit imports, round head screws on the scopes, scope caps being threaded through the mount (an obvious sign of a fake). The trigger being good is honestly a generality, and is most certainly not an indicator of a rifles legitimacy. I have handled numerous legitimate rifles that had horrible triggers that came as a result of parts being swapped during refurbishing. Overall you make some good points, I just wish you would have included more than 6 things you know to stretch it out for us mosin guys lol.
This video actually helped a lot... went to a gun show, and there was a guy tryna pass off a Mosin sniper rifle as authentic. It came with everything... bayonet and all.
Schuster My Grandfathers mosin had a sticky bolt and I hated it a lot. I much prefer other bolt action rifles and I am not even an american so I don't hate it because its russian.
One look at the screws on the adjuster knobs and you know the scope is a fake or a post war ukranian. Real scopes have a particular color to them as well.. not quite brown but brownish.
I have an ex-sniper 91/30, 1944 year. It has the smooth trigger pull and the front sight is still the sniper sight without the offset and with tall pin. I also have a 1916 m1891. The bolt and trigger differences between these two are insane. The 91/30 has a bolt that is smooth as butter to operate while the m91 is stiff as hell no matter how much you clean and grease it. Its really interesting to learn the new things you've pointed out even though she's not a sniper anymore, I never noticed that the front sight wasn't offset I just thought that was normal for it not to be. Cool!
Here are few more: scope will have a year of manufacture with 91/30 stamped on it; its number will be stamped on rifle’s receiver on the left side; scope number should also be electro penciled on the mount and last but not least there should be circled “C” (Russian “S” for sniper) on the top the receiver on Izhevsk rifles and letters “C” and “H” ( Russian “S” and “N” for sniper) on the sides of the star at the top of the receiver on Tula rifles. And now you know that.
Thats what I like about your vids, there is no bull crap in it...thanks again great vids as always kind regards Dane, Netherlands ( same as for the Lee enfield series) ;) also great
AND... the one he was using as a demo is a fake also! - the PU snipers "ALL of them" had the scope serial number on the left side of the barrel just in front of the scope mount... no exceptions on the PU. - the Izhevsk PEM, which was the first model of snipers made at Izhevsk "in 1942 only" (ALL previously built snipers were made in the Tula plant) the Izhevsk PEM may or may not have had the serial number of the scope on the rifle, instead it was the "rifle number" on the mount and sometimes the scope number on the mount also - very few towards the end of the year had the number stamped on the barrel... the Tula PE, PEM and PU's all had the scope number on the barrel. Tula was the only factory that produced the PE sniper.
Im not trying to put anyone down but I found this video better than thr average tfb content! Very informative and entertaining... Refreshing compared to bad audio, pointless opinion videos
the height of the foresight sight bar in determining a sniper from a regular rifle is not a sign...i have a 1942 nagant infantry rifle,straight bolt, and according to this videos info at this point, my foresight bar is the same height as that for a sniper rifle, yet mine has always been the infantry weapon.,my 1944 nagant sniper has bolt matched numbers to the gun, yet the foresight bar is, according to the video, the short infantry rifle version....
I have two mosin PUs one early 90’s import and one Russian tulaky inport both known original sniper rifle. Both front sight posts are slightly pushed over, so your assessment of this as making it fake is not always the case.
Not going into scope numbers on the receiver? Not going into that sniper rifle production for the 3.5x PU scoped rifles started in 1942 so anything earlier is fake?
you know, i noticed my front sight on my regular 91/30 was off a bit to the side the other day and figured id fuck with it later. now, since my rifle was sold to me without a bayonet, should i center that front sight?
Mine seems to have everything good except there is no cut out at all for the scope. The rest is all these serial numbers the bolt the trigger ... so im confused why the cutout isnt there.
Try a few vids on lien Fields or other fun old guns. Heck even a tokarov pistol video would be fun to see aside from ones most people have misconceptions with.
THE ULTIMATE DETERMINER: there should be at or near the wood line at or near the chamber a series of horizontally run struck out numbers that originally matched the SN on the scope....that is the without a doubt proof .. many of these firearms were rearsenaled and the barreled action dropped into a regular infantry stock...if you find these Mosin's out in the world just multiply the values by an additional 25 to 30 percent...converting it to a sniper configuration again based upon it's original status will NOT MAKE IT MORE VALUABLE...
Thank you for this video. I watched it and got the seller to take photos of the areas you mentioned so I can tell if it was a fake PU Sniper or real. It was great info, I was able to know that its a real PU Sniper from Tula 1943 and now its mine (well, still waiting for it to be shipped).
i have one that a 1929 hex receiver im gonna look over it I never really had the confidence it was a original sniper because thought it was to good to be true but I will look at these things
You didn’t mention the screws on the scopes and there are a lot of rifles in the country with the scope covers that run through the hole in the mounts. That was something a lot of the fake century rifles did in the early days of the PU copies.
The best rule of thumb I have found is that if the screws on the turrets on the scope don't have rounded heads, it isn't a real PU. That and the rifle should not be dated earlier than 1942 (but the scope can be). If you know the rifle was Soviet, you can try to figure out the import batch to learn if it is real. Or at least you can find out how real it is. From what I can tell, the authenticity of every batch of PU sniper imports is questionable to some degree. The questions are mostly about whether or not they are renumbered mutts and the origin of some of the markings (when were they applied and by who).
#2 Do you not think people have set the front sight to match their ammunition. #3 The cutout needs to be straight and not angles or rounded.#5 No Russian 91/30 ever had a two stage trigger.Too bad you didn't go into greater detail. But a decent video for someone with zero understanding of PU snipers.
Жаль нету субтитров, смотрю почти все видео и нахожу их интересными. В отличии от типичных каналов типа :"хы хы давай пальнём в ту банку из этой пушки хы хы" . водка водка
Also, you can tell a real sniper by looking down the scope... by now most of the real ones are almost a yellow tint. Another thing to note is the real snipers came with padded lens covers and a canvas wrap that went around the scope and buckled over the trigger assembly
One caveat about the stock cut. It is possible to have a real Mosin sniper with a replacement stock. So that one issue, by itself, may not be an indicator. By itself. If that is the only thing that's off, it may still be a real deal sniper. I've also seen arsenal rebuilds with replacement stocks, they were real snipe Mosins, but had been refurbished by an arsenal, with some parts including the stock replaced. That said. these 6 point are the ones to look for. Any one, by itself may not be an indicator, but if you have more than one, chances are you have a fake. Nothing wrong with a fake Mosin sniper, still a very good shooter, and can be a more affordable option, just don't pay for a sniper when you're only getting a regular Mosin.
AND... the one he was using as a demo is a fake also! - the PU snipers "ALL of them" had the scope serial number on the left side of the barrel just in front of the scope mount... no exceptions on the PU. - the Izhevsk PEM, which was the first model of snipers made at Izhevsk "in 1942 only" (ALL previously built snipers were made in the Tula plant) the Izhevsk PEM may or may not have had the serial number of the scope on the rifle, instead it was the "rifle number" on the mount and sometimes the scope number on the mount also - very few towards the end of the year had the number stamped on the barrel... the Tula PE, PEM and PU's all had the scope number on the barrel. Tula was the only factory that produced the PE sniper.
So actual WWII era sniper rifles had no two-stage triggers also. I fired one that my friend had that he bought for $500 and it was all numbers matching dated back to 1943 and the trigger was like what all Mosins are. I'm not sure if that's the case for that rifle only or that's how it was during that period but I do know that those Mosin snipers that saw action in Vietnam and Korea which is considered post-war all had reworked better triggers.
Cultural Relic There's no "real" Mosin sniper rifles until the post-war period of the Chinese Civil War, Korean War and beyond. All Mosins that was called a "sniper rifle" during WWII were all out-of-the-mill Mosin that was tested for accuracy and if it's good, they slap the PU or PEM scope on it then run it out to the fields for the snipers to use without the shorter sight and also no reworked trigger. It was only during 1946 then did they have the time to buff up or at least make better Mosins that are fit for actual snipers thus you'll see many sniper rifles dated past 1946 had better bent bolt, better scope mounts and better triggers. The one in the vid is a Hungarian made one and that's post war thus of course it is better than the ones made during WWII which I shot.
Hero's domain No. Only douches like you. I noticed that he was a little awkward with it, but there might be lights above him that you can’t see. Also, you edited your comment AND still managed to miss type “Did you”?
You forgot to mention that he not only touched the trigger, he pulled it! What if it’s loaded? It’s not. I know it, you know it and certainly the Bloke knows it...
Everything checks out on mine, only my bolt handle doesn't look QUITE as shiney and nice as yours, and my front sight is actually pushed off to the right instead of the left. The height of the front sight is correct though. The finish on the bolt probably doesn't look quite as nice because it was made in 1943, back when they paid less attention to details like that so they can make guns faster. Edit: years later, after watching this again, I've excepted that back when I bought mine I was an idiot with money and neglected doing a lot of research before buying one of these from *drum roll*... mitchels mausers. With that said... every little thing on mine (screws, stamps, front sight, small details related to the scope and mount, ect.) still checks out. Still, the only thing is the bolt handle looks like it was welded. And there's no forced matched numbers anywhere on the whole rifle. Anyone have any thoughts?
I have a extremely old one.i am expecting it could be Mosin Nagant M44. But it has a bolt just like a sniper Mosin rifle . I am really confused. Is there anyone who can help me.
hi mike, great video. wish i had watched it *before* purchasing my "real" pu sniper and paid REAL money for it!. so far it passed 5 of your reasons, so hopeful. one thing that's always bothered me is it shoots way high from point of aim, about 24cm too high at 100M using iron sights. however, the front sight is short, but set to the *right*, not left....is this enough of a reason for being a fake?
You contradict your self regarding de bayonet , first you say that didn't came with a bayonet second you say the bayonet was used for balance . Was designed with a bayonet or not ?
Gas the Commies if you have a infantry mosin the bolt will be straight. If you have a true sniper mosin the bolt will be curved. Because if it wasn’t curved the bolt would collide with the scope and it would be unable to cycle a round.
