this is the funniest comment I've ever read, ever let alone youtuber specific I am still laughing as I write this comment and I've been laughing for the duration of the video XD
A cat(a-pult) launching weapon. . . . . Hmmmmm. Trouble is, mine tends to hang around my neck if I am on a computer. (When she has finished e-mailing her friends that is!). I have enough 'stripes' already :-(
I was never in the zone of danger... but I have a few videos planned for which I still am considering the safety protocol. These types of attacks store enormous amounts of potential energy... true bone breaking force!
A full face shield is very useful around the shop. I wear Jackson shields (any welding supply or online) and they would be ample but you might like one of the more modern style Uvex shields. I even wear one using a Dremel (because Dremel wire brush strands and cutting disk fragments fly off a high velocity!). A heavy coat or jacket (motorcycle jackets work well, I use my old ones for welding outdoors) will slow down fragments. You are correct to be cautious! My friend "shot" himself in the shoulder with a lock shackle fragment when using a cold chisel. Went in about 1/4"! He was wearing a T-shirt.
LockPickingLawyer I have to question the feasibility of doing such an attack in position though, here you have it in a vice and can easily stay out of the line of fire. In the real world how you deploy the lock largely effects how secure it is. For instance on your local bike rack/ streetlight your in a more public space you need to shield what you're doing from prying eyes so you could open the lock in this way but your gambling on the head coming off. I can tell you from industry that we don't use nut splitters to remove nuts and bolts because of this danger if its not backing off with an impact/ impact sockets and penetrating oil we cut the bolts mostly with a torch so that the metal gets to stress relieve as were removing it. What it shows is that these types of locks are vulnerable to this no matter how sturdy but compromising the lock in this way can be incredibly dangerous. If a person is willing to risk life/limb to steal a bike then there's really not a whole lot your gonna be able to do to stop them. I guess the next move if your making this type of lock would be to increase the rivet size by a few mm leave the core how it is and coat the rivets in a ceramic coating that fragments more, then again what you've created there could be classified as a booby trap and would be illegal.
realistically, most bike thiefs aren't going to be able to clamp this tightly in a garage, and I don't know if they'll have the torque needed to do this. Even in a controlled envionment the chain lasted 3 minutes. In addition, this required a rivet AND a nut splitter. I think that this product is strong enough to deter most bike thiefs, who will probably chose a different bike to steal at this point.
No clamp or vise was needed. I (or anyone) could have been done in it about 5 seconds; you'd just use a cordless impact wrench instead. You could use a small handheld hydraulic nut cracker. The bigger issue would be to avoid getting shot by the flying rivet.
In Singapore we have a much better solution. We don't use bike locks. We don't lock our doors. When shops close on our mass transit, they just put black table cloths on top of the goods knowing everything will be there in the morning. Theft is almost unheard of. Why? We have extremely strict and 100% enforced immigration with heavy background checks. We have great public housing and work programs so homeless do not exist. We have mandatory death penalty for drug dealers with a 99% conviction rate, carried out within 1 year of sentencing. We have mandatory jailing, drug program, and supervised work program for addicts to make them productive self-sufficient members of society again. We have public humiliation via stripping and caning that will make it hard to sit for several months for thieves so that they are known in the community and will think twice before ever doing that again and make an example to others. Almost all citizens will report any unlawful behavior immediately to authorities that will investigate, unlike America "snitches get stitches" criminal culture. When we went to the park we would put our phones in our purses on a park bench and when done with our jog we would know the purse would still be there. Lowest crime rate city in the entire world despite 8 million population.
satanclaw this warning was issued since splitting the male genitalia will bring pain, and death from blood loss and possible sterilization of the victim's penis
Your nuts, consists of 2 parts. The Right, and the Left nut. If they are twisted together, the pain is beyond unbelievable as this will cut off bloodflow.
Given the sound reminescent of an exploding grenade and the sheer amount of time spent to break this lock i think it's safe to say the lock is pretty secure
I disagree. The thief can work undisturbed with the nut splitter because it makes basically no sound until the lock is broken. Once broken, it doesn't matter how loud the single bang is. While you (may) scramble to get up to check what this was, the thief is already enjoying his new ride.
yeah like every thief carrie's around a vise to secure the lock for work. try to do this without removing protective covering and holding it with just your hands. good luck. this is not an easy exploit ; video maker fails to meet realistic environment.
@@ryen7335 That's my thinking. No one carries a vice around, and amateur thieves are likely to not carry a nut splitter. Under most situations, this is a decent lock.
I was getting in my afternoon nap phase when I started this video, so by the time the nut splitter was tightening I was seriously on the edge of dozing off. Nearly had a heart attack when it finally popped.
@@ZRTMWA ... and just so happen to fall asleep and then be startled wake when the bolt popped?? more likely just thought you had a clever/interesting comment
@@popparock6506 considering that 1 mill people have watched this, the statistical likelihood of that is not uncommon. Even if he did make it up, who gives a shite. It's funny.
To improve the design, make one side of the rivetted link a larger diameter than the other, making it difficult to get the nut splitter wedge between the 2 links
@@johndododoe1411if one plate is larger than the other, the apex of the wedge will be difficult to center on the seam. It will be awkwardly positioned and has a further chance of sliding off instead of finding the groove, altho you might be able to modify the nut splitter by grinding the wedge into the size of the rivet itself and try to crack the rivet out of the hole. At that point, just cut the damn lock with an angle grinder or steal the whole bike rack.
well, no surprise here. But for all who fear for the safety of their bikes: Locks are not about making them unstealable, its all about making the stealing process so time consuming, that the thiefs will simply look for easier prey. I secure my bike with three locks when i have to leave it somewhere public - a chain, a folding lock and a u-lock (all three top-notch). its a four thousand euro bike and it has been standing unbeaten for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week and three years now. Use pitlock for the parts (they TRIED to take my brooks, as some marks showed, but gave up^^) and take it inside at home (not the garage or shed) and you should be able to enjoy your bike until you want a new one.
Samuel Sudhof considering how much japan doesn’t like people immigrating into their country.... what are you at now, 1%? Or have you finally gotten to 2% of residents are foreign? Easy to be safe in a nice xenophobic homogenous country.
It is a Japanese cultural peculiarity. They don't put much value in used goods. That's why most used cars there are sold to exporters at auctions. I spent some time there and frequently left my moped unlocked in the passageway to my apartment building. And btw, I had no issue getting a work visa for Japan, I just had to prove I could perform a useful task.
Still a pretty effective lock considering that the nut splitter technique has the unfortunate side effect of unleashing a sonic boom which would draw quite a bit of attention.
I'm an automotive technician, and I can simply explain what happened here. The nut splitter cut the rivet in a compression or slip split. What happens is, while you apply force to cut the nut, the tool stops moving in. While you apply even more force eventually cut piece (in this case the rivet) gives way sleightly, and causes the tools cutter to "jump", this sudden decompression hammers the nut just enough to cause a violent separation of the component you want cut. Hope this helps your "autopsy". Cheers Z
When he started clamping down on it I put my coffee mug out of jolt range... which proved to be a good idea, as I leaped a foot off the chair when it finally gave :D
This is the thing I've noticed about your videos that I like a lot. If a lock takes a few seconds to break open then your videos are super short and you don't pad them out for ten minutes. If a lock is pretty resilient then the videos are longer and I can pick and choose what I watch based on the time because I'm interested to see how easy or difficult it is to break something open. Its a honest way of making these videos so thanks. 👍
You know apart from the hiplok g1000 I'm having a hard time finding any bike law that's going to be at least somewhat of a deterrent to keep people from stealing your bike. Sure wish there was a lock out there that works it doesn't take less than 20 seconds to freaking break!😢
I was so rooting for the Bordo (sorry nut splitter). My heart beated, with every click of the ratchet! Heartbroken and exhausted, I need to ... go lie down, now.
+Leo Curious Have you ever tried to quit caffeine yourself? It's bloody hart. Never made it longer than 2 weeks! Also I'm in the "transform caffeine into code business", that makes quitting caffeine even harder.
@@claudej8805 Could you name the "simple tool" you have in mind? It should: 1. Be able to be held and operated with one hand while the other hand tightens the nut splitter. 2. Provide leverage and stability equivalent to a vice mounted on a work bench.
@@SourceOfWill I'm no native speaker, that's why I wasn't precise. I was thinking of a wrench on that square shape, probably one fits or make it fit (using 2 wrenches against each other). This seems doable, with the screw the leverage is high and the torque seems manageable. Before you bash me, know I'm a service technician on CNC machines. I've seen and done things. Also remember that his setup on that workbench isn't very stable and still holds easy. But now I'm wondering if my answer is stupid either way, you might just be a dumb thief.
The twisting torque of the screw mechanism is easier to apply than the enormous pressure being applied to the wedge. A pair of locking pliers on the nut splitter would be more than enough. The vice is only being used here to make the whole thing easy to see on camera, not as a necessary part of the operation.
I mean at this point i'd rather just bring a cordless grinder. Put Hi-vis vest, a tool belt, a helmet and some safety glasses on and anyone would think you are removing an abandoned bike.
When this kind of lock was new on the market - or at least when I first took notice of it - it looked like a really good idea, being much lighter than a chain and much more flexible than a U-Lock. But I always questioned the riveted construction - though I never knew how to efficiently defeat it. This nut splitter is a real danger I would say. It doesn’t make a lot of noise and requires almost no skill. Thanks for your great videos once again. I think I will keep my security chain bike lock - simple yet effective.
LockPickingLawyer Then what would you recommend? As I see it the rivet is vounerable as long as you can jam something in between the plates. That hardend collar did make it a bit harder but not prevent it. What construction would do the job better?
I would like to see you do some of these exploits in real-world situations. IN your workshop you have control of the lock more but out in the word not so much. Would love to see more of that.
I would like to see this demonstrated in a "real life" scenario, where the lock is loosely dangled off a bike, and the tool is not held firm with a vise. I would imagine that an angle grinder will be more suited to this scenario.
I re watched the video and don’t believe that it would make a difference. The weak point is the rivet and the gap allowing the nut splitter to be positioned at the right angle
Hold the nut splitter with a large adjustable wrench, drop hoody over all of it to muffle sound and hide your hands. The rivet came off with lots of force and speed but it has very little mass so it wouldn't take much to contain it. If you had your hand over it you wouldn't get more than a red mark.
Didn't know about this tool. Thanks for showing how to break these locks. More compact than a cordless abrasive saw and much quieter and won't attract attention. I'm sure it'll be of benefit for a certain group of people. Good job.
How much turning force were you applying? Would you say that lock could have been held in place by hand, feet, or by wedging it in a bike rack/frame like it would be in a real bike theft situtation?
I assume getting the plastic off wasn't that much work and though it was held in a vice the nuts splitter has a square on the body to take a spanned so this is fairly easy to do in the field. Of course these aren't normal tools bike thieves carry so unless they know they are specially going after this lock they may still fail. I'm not sure the washer is actually there for any protection of the joint though, u thing that is there for spacing as the bars are too thick to press an offset in them. Th only way I can see to protect against this attach is to open up the gap so the wedge has no effect. I wounder if list of lower grade locks are better than one of this grade. Or maybe a specific lock designed for that bike which puts the week point in a hard to reach place.
Still took about 2 minutes and very visible work on the bike, also, if you also have an alarm on your bike (or the lock) that would also go off. So, it's still good enough for going into the supermarket. This is more of a danger if you leave an expensive bike outside over a long period of time which is never a good idea - there are crews with MiniVans and battery charged angle grinders which will just do a short driveby and the bike is gone within minutes even with the beefiest U-locks available.
It would take longer for the thief. Take the plastic shielding off and it would be very fiddly as it wouldn't be in a vice like here and it might be awkward.
The thieves use box cutters to take that pieces off and go right to work. Some do it with under a minute without fear of getting hurt from the flying rivet.
A layered security is better than a single one off approach. This lock (or two) along with a New York fugetaboutit lock with an alarm will more than be enough. It all depends on how much time/money you want to spend.
@@denisl2760 exactly. even that huge kryptonite u-lock can be cut off in about 1 minute and that's about the best security you're going to get to brute force.
What would you say is the best anti theft bike lock! Lock picking lawyer! Our town has had a rash of bike thefts, locks being snipped, pried all sorts! Thanks again!
The good news: a flying bolt will probably take the thief's eye out. An eye for a bike deal. The bad news is your new bike, your pride and joy, is gone. :-(
@@mickys8065 very true. So far my bike remains unstolen. I had a few close shaves but learnt from those mistakes. Thankfully the one time they tried to steal my baby these security guards beat the shit out of the prick. God bless them. You need to know the bad areas where your bike is at risk and always lock it properly. I have my Giant bike for a year now and it's been great. I don't leave it outside for stupid amount of time.
Cops would probably find the guy easily, people getting shot by flying rivets don't overcrowd hospitals lmao, unless if the thief somehow didnt got hit by it.
As much as I find the design of some of the locks fascinating and find myself trying to think of ways to redesign them to resist a particular type of picking I must admit that I do enjoy the brute force attacks on them. It does seems ironic though that a high end bicycle with carbon fibre components would need a very heavly lock to afford reasonable protection... love these videos, great work.
Video starts: Me: "Hey, I got that lock on my bike": Lawyer: "This is the undisputed champion of folded bike locks." Me: YEAHHHH! I made the right desicion." Lawyer uses Nut Splitter *loud crack* Me: "oh f***k ..."
As I was listening (decent DAC and headphones) there's a point (starts at about 4:30) where the microphone picks up a sound that I recognize as critical material-stress from back when we did material theory in school (decades ago). From the tests where we pulled metal bars until they stretched and cracked. You also see the material of the rivet start to flake a little. I am curious, did you feel a shift in tension too? You shifted the grip just after the first little crack. Thanks for the jump-scare though, the headphones really helped.
It would be interesting to see a test of the new Seatylock Forever and the updated ABUS Bordo Granit 6500K. ABUS doesn't claim the rivets have been improved, but you there are "changes to the design and locking mechanism". Seatylock's promotional video shows a snippet of their lock surviving with the very same nut splitter but clearly the splitter was applied off the axis of the rivet.
Just curious, would it have been more effective to use a cordless impact wrench instead of a rachet? Possibly stretching the rivet faster and causing it to fail faster?
It would be interesting to see if anything would be different if the chain lock would break as easy if it was locked on a bike instead of being held in a vice. I happen to use the same lock on my bike and although this worries me a little of the bike disappearing I still find the test a little biased 😊
I hope to see some bolt cutter, hacksaw, and maybe even drilling tests all against the rivet as well. Would the hardened collar do much to inconvenience the bolt cutters and hacksaw? Only one way to find out!
i can tell you right now, yes hardened steel is quite hard to cut. a hacksaw would take maybe twice as long as without the ring. and you would need a full size pair of bolt cutters
Gotta love how every beefy lock people see, they cry out "muh angle grinder" like every petty thief will have a battery grinder on hand that can grind or cut faster then the sound can alert everyone on either the whole block or city street.
Just like every petty thief would take a workbench, vice, ratchet and nut splitter with him/her to the site of a bike. Look how the vice flexes on the bench. vice=vise to our US friends.
It is actually quite dangerous even if you can destroy folding locks. Imagine the explosive metal directly shoots at your eyes. If I were the thief, I would avoid folding locks that might have the possibility of piercing my eyes.
@@thomashung5273 Also left out of this discussion is we should always plan our secure location in a high travel area. The time, the explosive final breaking would surely alert any passing observers. As far as locking your $4K bike outside the apartment and going to sleep? No one should ever do this.
@@sillygoose635 Yes, equality of abuse, that's what we should be gunning for. Seriously speaking, women have been subject to a vastly disproportionate level of abuse and violence, so it is, to say the least, curious that your reaction to a play on words, a literal joke, is that "I hope they get their vaginas mutilated because equality." Thanks for displaying an abominable deviation from standard intelligence and a general inability to understand the most basic of humor you troglodyte.
@@huntersullivan51 Yes, inequality of abuse, that's what we should be gunning for. Seriously speaking, women have been subject to a vastly proportionate level of abuse and violence, so it is, to say the least, curious that your reaction to a play on words, a literal joke, is that "I hope they men get their genitals mutilated more than women because inequality." Thanks for displaying an abominable deviation from standard intelligence and a general inability to understand the most basic of humor you troglodyte.
Hey LockPickingLawyer, first of all: Thanks for your great content, I really enjoy it. 👍 Now my question(s): Do you think this attack on this particular lock would have been possible (or practical) without the bench (can you hold the lock in place with your hands while applying the force) and the plastic still on it (how easy is it to remove the plastic)? Which kind of bike lock would you recommend? Have a nice day, greetings from Germany Mike
To be fair or in this case not fair, LPL normally says in the real world this attack would be awkward to perform. I feel he was actually disappointed that the lock failed in this way. I opened the replies on this thread, hoping to see LPL had replied with what I said.
Got it... in order to bypass the bike lock i will need a vice, a nut splitter, a ratchet and a torch (given that i will do this at night). Thank you very much!
With the plastic cut away it allowed you to perfectly position the splitter. I wonder if if would have the same effect if you did not remove the plastic first?
Could you try this again, however just try to do it like a normal thief would do in a hurry, straight between the plastic and crank it down fast, im curious as to if the protective ring itself is strong enough to defeat the attack provided it ends up being what gets "squashed". Basically re-do this as if you were not aware of the protective ring, and were in a hurry to "get in and get out fast" like a thief would be in action.
Could you attack the rivet directly with the nut splitter by doing it vertically? Rather than going horizontally and indirectly? I suspect the nut splitter could cut the rivet. You could probably nibble around it until enough of one end is removed that the rivet would pop out.
I'd really like to see that done without fixing it with a vise. Normally the lock would be much loose in real conditions and it would be a hassle to tighten that wedgy-thingy...
@@lillexus5589 "I'm gonna steal this bike that's locked outside, just give me a minute I have to find an outlet for my extension cord so I can plug in my power tool"
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