68' Ludwig Supraphonic VS. Supralite

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It's a SNARE OFF!
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(subtitles show which snare is which.)
Playing starts at about 4:00 if you want to skip the commentary.
SUPRAPHONIC has a WHITE drum head.
SUPRALITE has a CREAM drum head.
Was Ludwig able to capture the essence the legendary 60's Supraphonic with the Chinese Supralite?
You decide!
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@midifortress170 5 лет назад

Let us know which one you like best!

@GolddenWaffles 4 года назад

Midi Fortress Both are Incredible! BTW Amazing Drumming!

@mattnewell5414 2 года назад

That’s incredible how similar they sound. Man your a fantastic drummer

@michaelinglis567 Месяц назад

The Supralites have an updated strainer/throw off and its actually fantastic. Its surprisingly one of the best throw offs ive used. I just bought a new 14"x6.5" and ive only been using it about 2 weeks but so far its fantastic. With the updated strainer its a no brainer purchase. Its my most tuning versatile snare for sure.

@mattnewell5414 2 года назад

They sound similar because of the chrome plating. Chrome adds brightness. The Supralite has more cut because it’s made of steel which is a denser metal compared to the aluminum LM402. The Supraphonic is “airier” and slightly mellower because it’s aluminum, a less rigid alloy. It’s also the reason Supraphonics are so much fun to play, the softer metal has flexibility and adds natural rebound to rimshots. The only constructional similarity between the two drums, besides the bead, is the chrome plating. That’s my theory anyway. As an aside, chrome or the lack thereof, is why Acrolites sound exactly like a drier version of a Supra.

@alexr.5888 5 лет назад

Honestly, the Supralite for me (that might be odd to some). Thanks for the review here. Great drumming/content.

@midifortress170 5 лет назад

After making this video...I sold the supraphonic! The Supralite kills.

@DZNTZ 4 года назад

Not odd at all to me. The Supralite is the ‘phonic killer. Ludwig accidentally made a cheap snare that sounds better than its legendary big brother. Now, they’re not worried about it, because the snobs MUST have their Supraphonics (gotta have a baseball bat muffler if you want to be hip!) - it’s the one ‘everybody used’... But I play drums because they sound good, not because that guy played them. I don’t care where it was made, I don’t care who did or didn’t play it, I don’t even care if I fail hipster 101! The Supralite is a better sounding drum. Period.

@WeThePeopleAudits 3 года назад

Love my Supralite!

@drumsandmore4448 3 года назад

I tried a 6.5x14 Supralite and a 6.5x14 Supraphonic....I couldn't believe how the Supralite sounded like a Supraphonic...

@mattnewell5414 2 года назад

Well done Sir

@roybeckerman9253 3 года назад

I’ve got a Supra, but the Supralite sounds better and has more volume, for live performances.

@emilk.6431 4 года назад

They are similar, but I'd prefer supralite, because it's more affordable. I have 50€ Millenium 10-lug snare drum right now, but it's amazing for the price.

@Luisifer_89 3 года назад

5:34 can definitely hear the difference on how fast it got lose ! Def tuning 🔒 locks

@rasmusgarbonzo1411 7 месяцев назад

nice playingf

@thomasacevedo5376 4 года назад

Besides not knowing which drum is which, great demo! I love how it’s just this dude ripping for almost 10 mins! Lol

@midifortress170 4 года назад

Please turn on the CC. I added the snare drum labels throughout the video with closed captioning. Thanks!

@DZNTZ 4 года назад

Supralite HANDS DOWN. No comparison - the Supralite has a more resonant sound while still being tight and crisp, but not ringy, it’s got character. It sounds like a very high end metal snare, and it’s $200! The Supraphonic sounds fine on it’s own, but compared to a better sounding drum (like this Supralite) it shows its weaknesses - it’s rather lifeless, dead, bland. All things that generations of lazy sound guys might find endearing, but not so for a discerning drummer. Got a Bonham jones? Throw some tape on the Supralite. Great video, it needed to be done! Thank you for doing it.

@midifortress170 4 года назад

Thanks man! I appreciate it!

@VegetabIeMan 4 года назад

Picking up the Supralite soon. I have a 5x14 1970 ludwig supraphonic but I don’t feel comfortable paying for it again in a bigger size. Plus the snare is what you make it and it’s a beautiful sound already.

@m42037 Год назад

That's because it's not the 6.5

@danielgarcia9286 2 года назад

Thanks for the video and intel! how would you weigh the Ludwig Acrolite into this equation?

@TedDiabetes 4 года назад

Currently using a 6.5x14 Supralite (which I love.) The perfect bread and butter snare on the market in an affordable price range. That being said, I've always wanted a Supraphonic 402 and am currently in the market.

@VegetabIeMan 4 года назад

Dick Face I have one in 1970 Supraphonic in 5x14, (converted from a super sensitive because the wires are so awful), and I’m getting the 6.5 x 14 supralite. I don’t feel good having the same drum twice for almost $1000 in price.

@nilsole7519 7 месяцев назад

Great playing! Whats the rest of the kit? Sounds amazing

@MrShadowhideyou 4 года назад

love that fill sequence between 12:00 and 12:15!

@midifortress170 4 года назад

Sextuplets all day! One of my main licks, other than to rage out single strokes via 90's tony williams, is RLRLKK. Fun! Thanks for checking it out!

@ilvdico 5 лет назад

You can tell the difference by the lugs on the drum. The Supralite uses tubelugs. The Supraphonic has the Imperial Ludwig lugs.

@TempoDrift1480 3 года назад

You can also tell the difference between day and night because it's light during the day and dark at night.

@ilvdico 3 года назад

@@TempoDrift1480 it's also easy to tell when someone is smart or dumb. 😁

@DelOrsoVineyard 4 года назад

Great playing! I never thought the Supraphonic could be be topped, but this is definitely making me reconsider. What's that crash cymbal on snare side? It sounds fantastic as well.

@kevinrodriguez1907 2 года назад

Just a follow up cause that thing is awesome it attacks powerfully instant and gets away its beautiful

@m42037 Год назад

The kick sounds terrible

@iwanhughes8549 2 года назад

Hasnt the Supraphonic got an internal muffler though? has anyone ever tried fitting one onto a Supralite? To see what it does to the sound/feel

@dragocat1 3 года назад

Supraphonic has a classic warmth. I would play either though.

@kearneydillon4803 3 года назад

2 completely different shells. Supraphonic is aluminum and Supralite is steel. Aluminum is great to acheive a dry, warm, controlled sound. Steel shells produce more ring, volume and cut. I have a 5" and 6.5" Supraphonic plus a 5" Black Galaxy (ceramic coated aluminum) and they have served me well over 35 years.

@seanweaver7269 3 года назад

A lot of people switch out the hoops for the old lighter ones ,helps the sound , check it out ,(new ones are what?2.3 old ones are maybe 1.6 I think 👍🏻✌🏼

@Sebastian-qo2de 7 месяцев назад

Which cymbals are u using here? They sound terrific

@ToddTheJoker 4 года назад

Great video..thank you...so how is the Supralite holding out over time?

@midifortress170 4 года назад

Very well! I actually sold the supraphonic. The Supralite gives me the sound I’m looking for and I don’t worry about it as much on gigs because it’s a cheap drum. Still have to deal with the strainer loosening up over the course of the gig but you get into the habit of checking it after each song.

@vegasmarc21 4 года назад

I can't believe you sold the Supraphonic. Is the Supralite able to overcome it's flaws like the strainer? What other flaws does the Supralite have?

@iRideuWatch 2 года назад

You can replace the strainer

@iRideuWatch Год назад

Aluminum has that sweet, juicy tone. Steel has more of a dirty, lower frequency overtone.

@bryanherward4679 3 года назад

My main kit as based around an Sonor AQ2 Safari...I'm partial to 13" snare that fit better frequency wise with the rest of the kit...played a 13x6 supralite and it kills...same feel under stick...classic ludwig sound...until they make a 13 acro or supra...it's supralite all the way.

@wolowolowolo 4 года назад

689$ ludwig Supraphonic vs a 190$ snare that sound actually the same...

@diegoduran4152 3 года назад

What kind of crash is that? Sounds sweet!

@boinknook 3 года назад

Looks like Istanbul cymbals. They're made by hand in turkey. Love the Zildjian K line. Sib habsian of Boston had the best crashes.

@ClayDoogun 9 месяцев назад

I think its a dream cymbal?

@rayfrazier8657 2 года назад

I believe they just changed the snare throw on Supralite.

@Marco-ed5wv 4 года назад

i hear that supralite loose the tune ? is it true? i have the same problem after just a song

@midifortress170 4 года назад

now that the head has seated, which took several weeks, it seems to be holding now.

@DRUMSandBUBS 6 месяцев назад

Im thinking about getting the 14×8 right now. Its 200 bucks

@TempoDrift1480 3 года назад

I gotta 14x8 and the fucker is an animal.

@Monsterdrumma 3 года назад

I have the 6.5” supralite and have no loosening problems whatsoever and one band I have to pound to match the guitarists volume.

@m42037 Год назад

Lol he's just a kid, it's simple after three songs you put a key on the rods and tighten them down 🤨

@scottross9023 9 месяцев назад

I have the 6.5 Supralite also and I beat it to death every weekend. No loosening problems either. Love this snare!

@Hercules_Mavromatis 5 лет назад

I too have problems with the Supralite Throw-Off, do you know if the Ludwig P88 is compatible with the supralite ?

@midifortress170 5 лет назад

Not totally sure...Revival Drum shop in Portland might be able to help out.

@davidpfeifer9489 5 лет назад

Midi Fortress Portland? City turned into a joke... there’s a lot of drum shops that can help with that

@garywilliams4905 5 лет назад

Enjoyable video, nice playing, BUT I needed captions to say which was being played. No clue even when you changed the snare, never mind which was which. Shame...

@ilvdico 5 лет назад

You can tell the difference by the lugs on the drum. The Supralite uses tubelugs. The Supraphonic has the Imperial Ludwig lugs.

@ronaldzeoli7528 5 лет назад

Could not see the lugs to well so couldn't tell which one you where playing

@midifortress170 5 лет назад

The snare drum heads are different colors. Supraphonic is white. Supralite is cream/yellow.

@curtisheddins5878 4 года назад

@@midifortress170 I also cant see the difference well on my phone and i dont own a laptop. At what time point in the video do you switch from one to the other, and which did you start on? Please.

@midifortress170 4 года назад

Curtis Johnson Supra 1st, 4:53 supralite. Back and forth throughout. Listen hard! The cuts aren’t that clean. Supralite is tuned slightly lower too.

@CraigFlowersMusic 4 года назад

Be careful with them ears, man. I just spent my first six months drumming without ear protection, and I tore my eardrum! Now it's been more than FOUR MONTHS, and the middle ear is still not fully drained or pain free, so I don't get loud music anymore because I did exactly what you're doing. They have earplugs for music so the frequency response you get is still linear. Here I am, wondering if I'll be able to play again in a couple months when HALF A YEAR has gone by. Now maybe I could have lucked out and not gotten any fluid in my middle ear while it was perforated, and it would have healed much faster. But you try showering with your ear taped shut every morning for a month.

@midifortress170 4 года назад

I actually use etymotic clear ear plugs (for musicians) which I highly recommend. I think they even sell them on amazon these days. Sorry to hear about your ear drum. All the best to you!

@srklgk 2 года назад

Supralite best for price! But supraphonic has much more controlled sound, don’t know if it worth 400 more bucks

@Kubakaiser 3 года назад

I appreciate your video and your drumming skills, but it would be better if you played more simple and consistent beats on both snares, for a nice side-by-side comparison.

@m42037 Год назад

Most YT drummer's that practice everyday at home (that can do this with really cool neighbors) like show off on YT instead of kicking back and try and play slow. This guy could never play Steely Dan, Pink Floyd Dark Side stuff etc. I used to be like this and just play 200mph

@ampheat 2 года назад

John Bonham used a 70s supraphonic snare , not a 60s one.

@seanweaver7269 3 года назад

Hoops are lighter on the old ones

@1thess523 3 года назад

I, know this is old, buy yourself some Sleeved Washers! They keep your snare in tune even if you play hard

@NintenDub 3 года назад

What do you mean exactly?

@JackNiles 4 месяца назад

Well the Supraphonic sounds better. But the Supralite sounds better than most all steel snares except the Kiplinger. In my opinion.

@vegasmarc21 4 года назад

Supraphonic has more body. The supralite has that annoying pingy sound.

@247Drumz 5 месяцев назад

How do the differences between the two? Just bought one but don’t know which one I bought.

@nospoon17 5 лет назад

What drum is which omg lol

@davidpfeifer9489 5 лет назад

James Name The Supralite has tube lugs. I own a supraphonic and Supralite and when tuned the same it sounds the same! Tip: use the Evans genera dry drum head and it sounds amazing!!!

@midifortress170 4 года назад

I’ve added captions via the closed captioning. If you turn the CC on you should be able to see which snare is which. Hope that helps!

@edmondoification 5 лет назад

Ehi amico......il tuo video non si carica non funziona bene troppo pesante

@robsco1249 2 года назад

Supralite has cheap tube lugs and strainer. Very ringy and goes out of tune quickly despite has a good tone. If you change these things It will be great...but would you spend extra money on It?

@shawnziemann333 5 лет назад

Ppl come to this videos to hear the instrument being played. Not 5 minutes of talking then when you finally get to the sound test you really should of captioned which snare was being played. Finally during your 5 minute intro you mention that you get an extra half inch of depth with the supralite? Not sure if your aware of this but Bonham played a 14x6.5 supraphonic. Both drums are available in the same 3 depths.

@midifortress170 5 лет назад

Scroll ahead to 4:03 to hear the snares! They have two different drum heads. The supralite has a slightly yellow, modern vintage aquarian and the supraphonic has a coated white remo ambassador. Yes, I'm aware that Bonham used the deeper supraphonic snare but the "character" is the basically the same having all the same exact features/components otherwise. To be clear, the supralite is 5.5" in depth, whereas the supraphonic is 5".