Manipulative people are toxic most of the time then give you little crumbs like a key to their place to keep you hooked, you’re like clinging to these small hopes.
I've been watching most of there podcast and I must say, it is very difficult to follow the conversations, with comedian guest in particular, everybody cutting in to place there jokes here and there. Very often the person on the phone didn't even had the time to explain the full story, or sometimes the comedians thinks the story is over and are assuming things with more jokes, like here Natasha was sure it was over but it was not. It makes it awkwards but not funny. It happens a lot. Over the phone is difficult on the rythmn of the conversations.