As an Exeter fan, great to see them on one of your videos. We are very proud to own our club and love the progress the club has made, particularly of our youth academy setup.
I'm a QPR fan, but grew up in Tiverton. Used to go to SJP prior to the relegation, and it was pretty bleak. The era of Peter Fox, Noel Blake, John Cornforth and the likes. Steve Flack was a football god though.
There is actually another fan-owned club called Bohemians! Bohemian FC. is an Irish club based in Dublin, and are known for their ground (Dalymount) hosting Bob Marley's final outdoors concert.
Day 13: Make a video about 1st division B teams competing in lower divisions, for example Bayern Munich II or Barcelona B playing in their respective lower divisions. Whether this is good for player development or it completely destroys the fun of lower divisions.
I personally prefer reserve leagues, or youth leagues being a separate institution. Though I must admit it is fun to see youth talents from big clubs getting 2-footed.
@@TheRadPlayer I think that young players can learn much more when competing against seasoned competition. The only real argument against having "B" teams in lower leagues is that they're not as "attractive" from a fan's POV, but to me that says more about the fan that it does about the B team. Go watch Jong Ajax or Bayern Munich II and tell me they're not great to watch.
As not only a fan but also a contributor towards the foundation of hearts it gives me so much pride that we made this list. Still think it would be worth doing a bit of a deep dive document on what has happened I’ve the last few decades in regards to ownership’s (both the good and bad), the clubs overall place in the Scottish game (are we good enough to challenge the old firm or are we where we should be) and our (mostly) one sided rivalry with hibs. Granted the last one might be a bit of an ego boost but worth a look at nonetheless lol
If you want to challenge The Old Firm you're going to need to demolish and rebuild Tynecastle to a minimum of 32,000 seats. What's the chances of you being allowed to play at Murrayfield for a couple of seasons whilst that's being done?
@@franohmsford7548 we just refurbished tynecastle a few years ago so that’s not going to happen anytime soon plus hearts fans hated playing at Murrayfied.
@@Fisher1874 62 years without a League title and counting! If you want to continue fighting for 3rd place go ahead but think about what happens if Aberdeen or Dundee United or God Forbid Hibs build a new stadium and become a worthwhile proposition to buyers looking to break The Old Firm's hold on the SPL. 19,000 seats for a club the size of Hearts is ridiculous! If you want to become a worthwhile proposition to someone with the money to challenge Rangers and Celtic you're going to need to be willing to do something about that. Edinburgh is a city of over 500,000 people - It's defeatism to believe that you can't fill a 30,000 seat stadium. I'm not saying move to Murrayfield permanently, just for a year or two while you upgrade Tynecastle.
@@franohmsford7548 the difference is I’m not convince any of these team (including us) can sell out a 30k stadium week in week out. 25k is doable for some of these teams and I don’t think that’s being defeatist by saying that it’s being a realist. We would be able to sell 30k against hibs and the old firm for sure but none of these team would against smaller teams like Ross county or Livingston (no offence to those teams). Also I know Murrayfied would only be temporary but doesn’t take away how much the fans hated it
@@Fisher1874 It's not an instant thing obviously - You won't sell out against Ross County or Livingston while you're at best aiming for third place, 20 points behind the Old Firm! You need the 30,000 seater stadium, the players and manager to challenge the Old Firm and of course the owner with the money to bring in those players and that manager. My point is that I feel the stadium needs to come first. So what if you don't fill it every week in year one....The point is to make the club look worth the investment. And you can provide cheaper tickets to kids with more seats available....Kids want to see you winning games so it's better to get them in and hooked against the likes of Ross County and Livingston than against Rangers/Celtic anyway, especially as you don't want them to go home having become new Old Firm fans :)
I live just around the corner from Bohemians. Great fans, lively atmosphere for such a small ground. Well worth a visit for any groundhoppers on a trip to Prague
@@samuelyee4017 Samuel it was either that or the club was going bust. Wikleman saved the club which the fans ditched and left in the darkness. There was no original wimbledon fc fans at the end of 2003, and it kinda sad that you believed it was "robbed".
@@masterthespeed7830 No one in the world of football at the time was for the move. Winkleman had no interest in the clubs branding or integrity. He expected fans to travel and hour and a half to games. It was nowhere near wimbledon. And immediately after he realised no-one was going to come from wimbledon to the games he ditched wimbledons branding and history. I understand he bought milton keynes a team to support, but if he really wanted to do that he should have done what RB Lepsig did a brought a local team through the divisions (wimbledon did it in 9 years! From 2 divisions below the highest ranked milton keynes side.) Peter winkleman had no interest in saving a dying club, It wasn't the first club he approached with the proposal, It was all about money and his retail park.
As a man born in Exeter, it was great for them to get a shoutout. Although you missed how the elusive Michael Jackson, David Blaine & Uri Geller turned our fortunes around
Great video amazing to get to know more about these clubs. You could also have inclouded C.F Os Belenenses, one of the most historic clubs in Portugal who got relegated to the 6th portuguese division after the SAD took control of the club.
@@AbsolutelyAbsolute The league would also get a bit higher moral standard, not much as quite a few fans are happy to have their club in the hands of murderers, but still.
Once Football was for the working class! Now, with foreign owners, .. its only for the wealthy! With Huge money involved, Clubs & Gambling Syndicates fix matches routinely! Clubs positioned between 7 to 16 have nothing to play for but just making money selling matches to syndicates!! That's an undeniable fact!! The fans get cheated week after week! Its been that way since EPL began!!
Hey Alfie, I just thought of a cracking idea for a video you could do on the turbulent recent history of Goztepe in the Super Lig. They’re one of the Super Lig’s most well supported clubs (a bit like a Newcastle United, Sunderland or Strasbourg if you may). In the 2001/02 season, they finished seventh in the top flight, however from 2002 to 2008, they were relegated five times in six seasons, due to their inability to reduce their outstanding debt which resulted in the football club being banned from signing new players during that time. In August of 2007, a business based in Istanbul, vowed to take them back to the top flight making them one of the top five clubs in the country, but they were met with lots of suspicions from the fan base, and then they handed over the ownership to another bloke called Mehmet Sepil in 2014. Anyway, they’re back in the Super Lig as a solid mid table/weaker top half team. Why am I bringing all this up? Because apparently Abramovich is looking to possibly buy the club himself, after being sanctioned from the UK. It’s a crazy crazy story and may you could look into this, not to mention, they are not only a rare example of a club that is considered a neighbourhood club, as well as the fact that they’ve played in 3 different stadiums since 2011, but also in 1969, they became the first Turkish football team to play a semi-final of a European competition.
Yeah, it’s about time fan ownership got the recognition it deserves. Definitely the way forward to stop crooks stealing our clubs. Best if luck in the Semi final (Motherwell fan)
Newport County are in league two and Fan owned. We’re run by our supporters trust who democratically elect a board of directors. It’s not just Exeter and Wimbledon
Great Video man. One mistake though. Deportivo Cali has never won the Copa Libertadores. They were Runner ups in 1978 and 1999. Atletico National and Once Caldas are the only teams from Colombia to have won the Copa Libertadores.
Deportivo Cali didn´t win the Copa Libertadores. They were Runners-up in 1978 and 1999. In 1978 the winners were Boca Juniors and in 1999 in was Palmeiras.
Please be assured the request for this video after yesterday's result is purely coincidental, but the Fall and Rise of Luton Town would make a hell of a documentary.
Great video as always, top content. However, just to clarify, Benfica as a club is fully owned but not controlled by the fans as the President is in fact elected by the fans but, after that, all decisions are made regardless of the opinion of fans. Also, the football team in particular is controlled via the SAD-model that you covered for Real Madrid, but in Benfica's case the SAD is only approx. 70% owned by the club, with the remaining 30% owned by individual shareholders
That is still the defenition of fan owned, the majority owned by the club and the ability of electing presidents, no decent size club in the world could go on to vote the 100.000 things a club needs to decide on day to day
I have never suggestted any videos on this channel and have been subbed for years but was wondering if you could do a video on dundee the bottom placed club in the SPFL
Day I forgot: Please make a video on Oletul Galati and how they went from playing against Man UTD in the champions league to being fan owned in the 3rd division of Romanian football
5:45 in 2018 there was election for stadium renovation project which got overwhelming response, And without majority socio's votes they can't change the name of any existing structure or team like stadium or training centre etc, And that 15% bank guarantee rule is actually save club from debt situations like barca, bartomeu had to pay that clubs debt if he was madrid president by law
As a Faroese person, I will point out that Alfie did his best at pronouncing Klaksvíkar Ítróttarfelag. Proving once again that he is a man of the people.
My homeclub, Galway United and most other Irish football clubs are fan owned, then again we aren't exactly a Premier league behemoth, and Galway city, or town by the standards of most footballing countries isn't a football powerhouse, no matter how much we love the beautiful game here in G-town Although we have very nice jerseys to be fair to us, we're cultured fashionistas rivalling even Paris here
I've never complained about the level of research going into these videos; it is always exemplary. But today...The fact that you left out the names of the two Kangaroos, Doris and Bertram, is unforgivable. They deserve better, gawd bless 'em.
You should do a video on what is going on in turkey’s super lig as it is strangely weird such as galatasaray almost beating Barcelona but being in bottom half
For anyone that cares, the situation with ownership in Argentina is as follows: - There's a push from wealthier characters to impose the S.A. rule (That would making the teams a Ltd). - Pretty much every team has elections that are voted for by paying "associates" of the club. Everyone can become one, though they have to be a member for a couple of years to vote, and they have to pay every month without fail. - There's rules so a candidate cannot be in-continuom in the post. I believe is 2 terms in every club but im not sure. - Every big sponsorship or image change has to be approved by not only the elected board of the club but also a associate consortium containing long lasting associates and fan agrupations.- - There's a big power of the "barras" which are hooligans that have organized and in some clubs they almost just run them. Independiente had a case where a President tried to ban them from the club and the threatend his family and himself to the point he locked himself in his office and resignated. - The Barras manage a lot of money. They control a lot of the food venues around the stadium; the guys that do "parking"; the shirt and scarf sellers; etc. And they control the resale of tickets for sold out games. So football here is weird. Is it fan owned? Sure, a lot closer than UK at least. Is it safe? TBD, i mean there's not shootings or anything how it was a lot of years ago. But, there's an element of naiveness that you can't bring to the stadium, just in case Is it good? I believe so. I think the biggest difference with european football is the passion. Not of the people. From the players. I've seen a lot of PL teams going down and the players looked at the end of any game like they were thinking "i wonder what's to eat at night". Here you see players getting angry, being stressed. Fighting for their club. Even if at the end of the year it's inevitable that they will go down. I mean at least kick another guy out of frustation! Do something, don't just take it. I think more and more, european football goes the route of American sports. Entertainment first, passion later. I see to much protection of players for referees. Too little contact, to little playing. It's like they take turns attacking. Do you see Simeone's approuch? The toughness his team shows? That's the norm here. Not his playing style per se, his attitude. We don't fuck around, you have to kill us to win. And seeing Norwich, Fulham, even Leeds with Bielsa. You just don't see that. Putting as an example, Gallardo's River Plate. My team. Yes, the style is lovely. Liquid football. But when we need a result, there's a frase used here "The players put on the overall and go to work". I hope this idea brings some clarity. Though long i believe it's a window to what's football to an Argentina fan. Keep up the videos. Maybe throw in some argentinian teams too, not only River and Boca.
Good video Alfie. Also, would you consider making a documentary on Detroit City FC? I think most people would find it interesting/heartening since we're a very grassroots club and we've been growing a lot over the past 2-3 seasons. Also, we beat the current Liga MX champions Atlas in a friendly. So lots of cool little tidbits.
you forgot to mention that only 5000 people live in Klaksvik, So if everyone who went to their games as a Klaksvik fan from Klaksvik, that means that on a good day almost 1/5th of the town's population is at the game.
I am an Eintracht Frankfurt here in Germany and just like most of the clubs in the Bundesliga we are 51% fan owned.I hope it will always stay like this.In my opinion England made a huge mistake by letting those American and Arab billionaires make the Premier League their playground.They probably have the best football played on the pitch due to heavy investment,but the game itself suffers,the fans are loosing the connection to the club and are slowly pushed out of the stadiums.The feeling is that the game we all love,created by the English working class is loosing it's spirit and became a rich mans theater for tourists.These days it's all about rights,commercials and money.Football itself comes second. Eintracht could probably do better with a rich investors,but i would never like it to happen.We,the fans feel much more part of the club and even taking part when it comes to decisions around the club.The atmosphere in German stadiums are next level to those in England,not even comperable anymore (i visit games in both Germany and England).Fan culture has completely died in England and it's down to Thatcher and later the rich owners. In my honest opinion 50+1% system should be used in the whole of Europe,with all of it's problems it just still seems much more healthier. Greetings from Westerwald,Germany.
I was a Chelsea fan before I completely disattached myself from the club completely, have lost interest and passion in them having supported them since I was 2. I love watching the Bundesliga though, the real best league on the planet, alongside LaLiga.
Now I wonder if it is possible to make "7 countries/FAs where the majority of football clubs are owned by supporters" or something along that line, as in "are there at least 7 countries with this being the norm and not the exception?"
I loved my visit to KI when I went to the Faroe Islands. I saw them beat 07 Vestur 1-0 with a crowd of just over 1000. Interestingly one of the players who played in that game now plays for Ware FC in English footballs 8th tier.
should make a vid about Bodø/Glimts rise to where they are now. From Promotion from the 2nd Norwegian division to the first, then they go on to finish 2nd (i believe) the first season in the top division, then next season they win the division and qualify for play offs to the Champions league but allthough they fail, they still qualify for the Conference league, where they beat Roma 6-1 at HG in the group stages, then went on to draw them back at their home ground. They also recently knocked out Celtic and Az Alkmaar and will now face Roma again in the Qf's.
Waffles on a tad bit... but good to see Exeter at number 6. Weve not really achieved much in all the years ive supported them but this season looks like a good chance for promotion after too many near misses.
this comment is probably a year late, but I don t think that you can make a video with this title, without speaking about german football. Almost every team in germany is fan owned, not stopping the bundesliga from being one of the best leagues in the world. A lot of clubs have great fans with a lot of tradition, which you could surely make a whole video about alfie!!
Pleased to hear an AFC Wimbledon documentary is on the way - as a card-carrying Dons Trust member, my expectations are a bit up there but I don't want to overly pressure you either. Besides, we're stressed enough hoping to survive relegation, so...
I would argue that the difficulty of imagining a fan-owned premier league team is more of an indictment on British-American style Neo-Liberal capitalism than English football itself.
The oldest fan owned club is Queen’s Park in glasgow that is where Barcelona fc got the blueprint for there club from (Queen’s Park are probably the most important clubs in modern football ) should check there history
Due to laws around market shares in this country. In the current state, an "owner" or a trust of fans have to own at least 80%. Until laws are changed we will never see a 51/49 in this country. This means fan owned clubs are literally screwed when it comes to big finance. I'm a Wimbledon fan. So having experienced both I can tell you, they both have downsides and upsides.