7 Pitfalls Hollow Knight Silksong Must Avoid 

Ready for a mod where Hornet only says SHAW

At this point any thing Silksong related is a blessing from the Heavens

"The next thing Team Cherry needs to nail" Hehe, *_n a i l_*

Team Cherry watching this video: "oh well guess we need more time"

Silksong final boss better be a combination of a primal aspid soul twister and crystal hunter

It would be funny if hornet says “GIT GUD” after you beat a boss

The thing I’m most worried about is wether or not it will ever exist

I think hollow knights combat felt so fun (for me) because it emphasized positioning over quick reaction speed, it also is easy to learn but hard to master due to the small movements that the knight makes after doing each attack or spell and using the up-strikes to negate the knock back in some situations

The thing I’m the most worried about is the tools system

They need to prapare it to its fullest, don't release it early. Fix all the bugs, test everything out so it doesn't end like cyberpunk

The thing about the lore that you mentioned and that I think they did a great job in Hollow Knight was that even the background tells you a story. if you pay attention to it you can really see or guess what happened in that area. pretty clever and subtle way to introduce lore to the player. and they will probably do the same in Silksong.

I love to see musical details like the soul master's theme having the same leitmotif as the city of tears

We haven't gotten any huge Silksong news in a long time yet you're still making Silksong-related content, impressive

My biggest worry is that, like the new Repentance DLC for The Binding of Isaac (which brought me back to the game after I left it to play Hollow Knight), people will find it too different, too hard, or try to treat it exactly like Hollow Knight, and end up hating the game because they aren't used to it. It's actually a huge problem going on over there right now, and similarly, it's a Sequel-Sized expansion that took four years to make.

so ready for new lore! ready to find out where the first game fits into silksong

do a "wishlist" what you want to see in silksong

Hollow Knight's lore was almost completely show don't tell, and it was great. I think that the lore and the quest system are going to be so different because Farloom is alive, it isn't a fallen kingdom so people just have stuff for you to do, they can talk to you about their opinions on things. All things that were sparse in Hollow Knight seem like they're going to be more of in Silksong.

I really want Silksong to be just as mysterious as hollow knight. The felling of creepiness and mystery that you get from your first play through of hollow knight is amazing, and I really hope they can bring that feeling. But, Silksong is going to have brighter colors so maybe not.

day 6 of commenting until you talk to elderbug

I feel like team cherry really has to get the currency system right. In hollow knight for instance, geo becomes so pointless later in the game, (not counting divine), and you can very easily buy out every store. You can have the opposite happen as well, which is not having enough currency, and being forced to do mindless grinding. I do enjoy grinding, but to a point.

One thing i’m hoping for on the lore side of things, is for there to be a library of some sort where you are able to rescue books, and then go back to said library and read them. I think that would be a great way to balance lore, because you wouldn’t have to see it unless you wanted to.

I worried about being overhyped for Silksong lol

I personally much prefer getting lore through gameplay (like walking through a ruined place) than finding lore through cutscenes.

for me the quest system is the most worrying, i feel like with hollow knight when you found quests, they didn't feel like quests, when you find the grubfather for the first time, all you see is a sad bug, then when you find your first grub, you feel good about helping the bug, and have more intrinsic motivation to help the grubs, and the thing is, it doesn't even feel like a quest, it feels like you are helping someone, and in return getting something, not as a granted reward, but as a gesture of thankfulness from the grubfather. When you have a structured quest system though, the quests feel more like chores, you don't care about the actual task, because all you are focused on is the reward, instead of these things occurring naturally, you just click a button in some UI, and you initiate the quest with a reward in mind. that being said, its team cherry, they will probably find a way to make it work.

E3 in June - I pray for silksong news or release date

I want a baby Hollow knight easter egg in Silksong, that would be amazing

I can just imagine a loot box system: want needle upgrades? 5% chance in $50 lootboxes, silk restores? 10% $100, new charms/tools %0.05 in $150 boxes

Why can’t they just make a pre-game demo so we can play what they did in the E3 convention 😭

About the fast travel system I think they did a very good job at it because they forced you to explore more

Team cherry:- sees this vid3o Also team cherry: we need another 2 years to fix that problem.

Interesting point you made about the lore, I think that was stated really well. Although, I think that is one area where Team Cherry absolutely excels in storytelling wise, they know how to show and not just tell you what is happening and allow it to come up in a natural way; through your own curiosity. For me, I'm hoping they have a greater focus on character development in the story, particularly with Hornet. I felt the most powerful moments in Hollowknight were when we had a chance to really see and empathize with the characters. It still sticks with me when you find Hornet grieving her mother whom you've just killed. It was a tragic and beautiful moment that allowed us to see, feel, and sit beside that character and believe in them and their story. I think Team Cherry kind of had their hands tied when they developed Hollowknight, because they forced themselves to work with a silent protagonist. While there are major benefits to this, poor Ghost didn't have much of a personality. With Hornet, I believe they have a lot of new opportunities to explore in dialogue and character interactions that will naturally expand upon lore (like you're hoping for), and make us feel attached to these characters, their world, and believe in their struggles so far from our own. Anyhow, best of luck Team Cherry, the world is a better place with you all, your imagination, and your creations. For all of the high hopes and criticisms tossed about, I send you my encouragement! You have inspired me to work on my own creations, and that is noble. Kind regards, Luke Tudor

I definitely don’t mind game complexity and lots of exploring - but I agree, there needs to be more benches/stag stations. I’m thinking of Kingdom’s Edge - it’s so gross to have to go back and complete something out there. No easy way to get to it quickly! Hopefully TC will make traveling a little more streamlined in Silksong. Can’t wait to play alongside you, Relyea! I know you’re going to make our lives easier.

Im so excited for the new songs! The first two sample songs were superb, I want more!!!

You forgot about one mistake that Tema Cherry has to avoid Primal Aspids and Petra mantises

Lmao, the lootboxes at the end were unexpected

I don’t remember where I heard this information, but regarding the tool system, Team Cherry said in an interview that “unsurprisingly, we ended up with about 100 or so different benches.” Of course, that might be greatly exaggerated, but either way there will most likely be many more benches than Hollow Knight due to the tool system.

I love Hollow Knight but one thing I think Team Cherry needs to focus on in Silksong a little more is accessibility options. As a person who beat nearly everything in the original HK, there were a few moments where even though I'm not epileptic, the flashes or screen shaking did hurt my eyes a little bit. This could be even more problematic to people who are photosensitive and I think an option to change the screenshake sensitivity or reduce some flashing effects would be useful. I get that it might make a few effects a bit less epic looking, that's why I think that should be an option you can alter in the settings, with it being off on default

Imagine if SilkSong remembers if you have talked to ElderBug and will criticize you for not doing so.

Yay, something to do for 10 more minutes of waiting for silksong

I hope hornet still says SHAW during fights

I'm so early that the only comments here are from channel members.

I like how Team Cherry is so good at what they do is that WE ALREADY KNOW this game is gonna be amazing. We’re just waiting for it.

My main concern with the bone shards and tools is that players will never want to use them. It’s the same trap that players fall into with item hoarding where we hoard our finite resources because “we might need them later.” In this same vein, I worry that it’ll be hard to be motivated to use Silksong’s tools during the majority of the game. I hope Team Cherry can give us an incentive to use them and break through this hoarding mentality.

Hornet on her way to get chick fil a after a god moth gets killed

Everytime someone posts something about silksong, my heart skips a beat, thinking the release date has been announced.

Avoiding to forget releasing the game is a thing Team Cherry has to do

That fan art is so good!

One thing I want for the lore is to be able to reread it at later points without restarting the game. Hornet could have a home base where she can store all the information she collects throughout the Ascension.

Relyea really just called out my homeboy hive knight huh?

8:10 basically my thoughts to every mistake from this list. I like to think that they take their time making this game to polish it enough to not do mistakes like these. I'm not very worried about things that were already done perfectly well in the first game. If Team Cherry could do it once, there's really no reason they will do less perfectly this time. Things I'm worried about: - In the interview in Edge it was stated that this time they leant slightly more into detailing combat over platforming. It's fine but I hope there'll still be a fair bit of platforming, and hopefully a challenge at least on par with White Palace. - I really hope that lore of Silksong will interweave (pun intended) with the first game's lore and expand it in a meaningful way. It's a Hollow Knight game too after all so it should be solidly connected. In particular I'd like answers or additional hints to many things that were left unexplained.

One small thing i dont like about hollow knight is how staggered enemies still have hitboxes, its especially annoying when im in close combat with pure vessel and he flops on me without a warning, hornet had also given me troubles with this and one time lost kins staggered body slid into me while i was busy healing

Unrelated to the video, but its SO satisfying to see you now. I was there when you had 20k sub, and you totally deserve 100k. I just love it. Hollow Knight brought us together. Thank you for all the tutorials 😊

I'm really looking foreword to a quick and tight combat system that doesn't ever feel like it slows down. I can think of a few bosses in hollow knight that were pretty slow and had a small move set and were therefore the most forgettable bosses. I just hope that the reaction time for certain attacks from enemies isn't too short.

I’m a bit worried of how dlc might be handled or if they’ll even exist

Really nice video Relyea! It’s been really cool seeing your channel blow up since the days of ye old Hollow Knight.

Yeah I hope that the lore/exploration aspect of silksong is intertwined well too, I liked how hollow knight had scattered bits and pieces you discover about the setting as you explored

I'm just worried it's gonna be another year or two until we get the game. Also the tools thing, dying and not being able to repair them when you need them to fight some bosses sounds terrifying.

With each passing day, I'm becoming more and more convinced that Silksong and Elden Ring are a collective hallucination. A mass psychosis.

@Relyea I picked up Hollow Knight fairly recently and only finished the game yesterday. Your videos were an absolute godsend for helping with some of the trickier parts. I just wanted to say thanks for the fantastic content.

I think Team Cherry is going to knock it out of the park, they're taking their time and know what they're doing. I just can't wait to play the damn thing

All I know is that Silksong will definitely come out before Yandere Simulator.

Hollow knight lore is in my opinion the most interesting and honestly the best, so I wouldn't mind if the game was jam packed of lore, but yes, I do want to play the game

I feel like tools aren't gonna be to bad cause of silk bindings. There basically spells and they regenerate when you hit opponents. I think tools will be a slight help and will be useful for customized playstyles

Maybe the abilities and tools will have a similar use as the prosthetic tool in Sekiro. They are not required, but can give you an edge against certain bosses. And have a key to quickly switch between your equipped tools. And maybe certain enemies will drop bone shards so you can keep using tools.

Silksong has been the only thing in my mind lately

I'm also worried about the systems being too complicated, I loved the simplicity of hollow knight. If tools are hard to repair I'll just end up hoarding them and not using them lol And yes I mostly go for nail builds to conserve soul to heal you guessed correct 😂

I love watching all of your videos and your *how to find ....* or *how to defeat ...* helped me a lot thanks!

From what I can see with the Tool System, it's more of a safety net in which you only get like, one or very few uses out of it before needing new ones, but they're very *useful* to compensate for this. So if you're struggling really hard on like, a certain boss, you can find and/or use a certain tool in order to make it easier on yourself.

Doug Bowser confirmed theres gonna be a direct at E3. If that isn’t silksong, or any news of the sort, I dont know what is

The biggest mistake is that Silksong isn't announced yet

Best example I can give for the tool repair system and the lore problem is Ender Lilies. You had a limited number of spells in that one but it never felt too bad, there was always a bench before major bosses and even if there wasn't, you could still save up some of your spells for the boss if you were careful. I think what we've seen from the trailers shows us there will always be benches before bosses, or maybe almost always, since the room before Moss Mother is a big one with a bench and if I remember correctly, the room before the Lace fight also had one. What I didn't like about Ender Lilies and I think Hollow Knight does this very gracefully, is the way lore is handled. Ender Lilies throws literally all the lore at you in the beginning, with cutscenes and characters pausing to talk about it, but you don't understand a thing until the end. It's so much lore that you feel like you should be listening but your concentration just leaves the room because it's too much. I don't think that's TC's style, so I'm not worried about them giving us too much lore.

I think a possibility is that not all the tools can be used up. Perhaps they can be tied to something that can be fixable between benches.

I am kind of worried about the skills and tool combos system. I mean, Hornet might get her Battlecry: SHAW! In the final game, or maybe she'll get her classic needle throw but upwards or downwards or something. Now about the tool combos, it might be a thing like in Hollow Knight. There were charm combinations, so maybe Team Cherry will keep up some of the classic pace and add tool combinations into Hollow Knight Silk Song. Also, I am sure that this will be one of the hits of 2021 when it releases. I hope this opinion and information helped some people.

The question is, which do mistake so you think they're most likely to make? My fear is that they over extend and make the game too complicated.

I just really cant wait for all the theories and tips and tricks and ughhhh PLEASE

I really hope that they don’t change the map system. I heard a lot of people complaining about the map system in hollow knight. But, I personally loved it... and I have a friend that is horrible with directions that loves it aswell.

I just realized the person in the gameplay doesn’t know you can slash up and down

It's kinda feels bad not having dreamnail, you can't know bugs real thoughts you can't see ghosts and can't challenge them, I hope, that there is gonna be something equal to match dreamnail, that's it.

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Just subscribed! Love your channel!

that is, if it comes out

something TC need to avoid: having a combat system that is not tight

Relyea I love your vids you made interested in hollow knight and thanks for the toturials too.

7:17 Scary... Can't wait to watch your playthrough of Silksong!

I just got into hollow knight, bought it like 1 month ago and absolutely love it. The only thing i wish were different is that Geo doesn't become almost completely useless halfway through the game. I wish there were more merchants or that they atleast had more stuff to sell.

"The most important thing team cherry needs to nail..." Me : Heh, nail...

Hype is a curse for games. I don't want to expect a lot from SS because then I can't get disappointed, only surprised. Just because HK was so good their next game doesn't have to be a masterpiece

Maybe the best way to do repairs would be to be able to purchase (with rosaries) a consumable at a vendor that you could use to totally repair the current tool you have equipped

I would like a massive map with lot of detail

That is the dopest stache’ I’ve ever seen.

Love seeing your videos!

I love seeing you talk while there is silksong gameplay in the background, it's a pretty good idea!❤🍌

i would be surprised if they still dont avoid some of these things after 2 years of thinking

At this rate people are gonna make a hollow knight loot box mod out of boredom

Hey relyea, can you tell me where I can find the nightmare Grimm king version in godsends? I found the weaker version of him , but I just can’t find him.

0:56 i would think at some point a charm or ability will give us something where we can craft them on out own but at like double the price or there will be crafting benches

The only thing I hated about hollow knight was the backtracking to bosses , the benches being too far from them , this is a criticism for dark souls too , it's just pointless, doesn't increase the difficulty it's just waste your time on boring walking I don't get qhy developers do that ? Is it lack of confident in the bosses difficulty ? Or do they want you to spent longer time in the game with anyway necessary , if you are confident your boss is hard then you don't have to make me go a very long way back to him since I wanna spent that time fighting the boss So yeah boring backtracking is unnecessary in silksong , hopefully team cherry avoid it

its been 2 years 💀💀

I was watching this video then realized you have 100k subs! I remember being here when you had 7k, good job on growing so much!

Relyea saying Team Cherry shouldn't force lore is like him saying a fish shouldn't climb a tree. Like, I don't think it was planning on doing that anyway, buddy