#8: John Maeda on the three types of design, the four quarters of life, and diversity 

John Maeda is the Head of Design and Inclusion at Automattic. In this episode, we discuss how he turned RISD into the best design school in the country, why inclusivity is the secret weapon on design teams, and why design is ultimately about the customer, not just the user. Bobby Ghoshal and Jared Erondu are the hosts of this series.
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