First fire and cuts on the big bore 500i. Throw in some dyno runs testing different muffler outlets. For porting or product info visit the website. worksaws.com
This one intimidated me a bit, less band cut than normal and a touch higher exhaust port. But dropping the cylinder a touch more may be in the future. Curious how the ring will seat in.
Your sleeve work is looking real nice! It is a real bummer about the plating. Looking forward to feedback on this build. Hopefully you can come up with a plater to work with. I suspect you will be able to do a fair amount of these big bores. Thanks for sharing!
This is awesome. Good plan with the sleeve, can't say anything negative about it, I use Stihl rings when I rebuild TriZingers with big bore kits, never had an issue
Why do you sleeve the cylinder? Wouldn't you have to use a smaller piston? I know this is probably a stupid question but I don't know anything about this stuff but I am interested in learning about it
Those adapters definitely report way low. I'd say 50psi or even more on that size cylinder. My 462 feels stiffer to pull over than my 461. I get 190 on my 461 without any adapter, and the 462 shows 130 with the adapter.
@@dynojoemods2764 well cast iron it is then ! I know I saw a video of a guy plating in his garage but it wasn’t a blind bore cylinder. Even if possible to do a blind bore idk if I’d want all those chemical baths laying around in the shop 😂
@@dynojoemods2764 I’m in bay city , I gota find the time to come down one day , I got a 345 husky n a 026 id like to have you look at , I got a 372 also but you said ya dont work on clones , didn’t know your were in MI till other day
I know this a year old or older but I’m curious if you did a relearn after doing the big bore and a relearn after each muffler install. If you didn’t you left a lot on the table. Just curious that’s all
@@dynojoemods2764 I did email you about upgrading my 500i last year and I will be in line for the plated sleeve option. Keep me posted and keep up the great, informative videos.
Hello, I believe I saw a video where a person built the 500i using a 661 top end. Do you know anything about this? Any updates on how the sleeve is doing now that it has some tanks ran through it? Thank you.
Sweet build. What about plating the sleeve? Wouldn't that give you the best of both, not a blind bore to get plated, but you'd have the plated bore 😉. Same deal up here when I checked, hey don't do blind bores.
I'm guessing I've missed some prior videos to this build, gonna go back and look them up. My question at the moment is how does the fuel injection compensate for the bigger bore? Did you have to tune it with an electronic tuner or ???
That's a fantastic build Joe.. Just a question from a dummy.. Is it possible to have a c&c machine cut out the ports for the sleeve? I'm not suggesting that it would make a difference or that you should go out and spend stupid money on one.. My question would be if it would make things easier or even work with the sleeve? Love all the builds brother and am a loyal subscriber who is just curious.. All the best to you
Thank you. Yes you could fully cut the ports. Most of these being 1st attempts, I wanted to leave the sleeve and be able to set the ports where ever. If I ever did multiples, I would make a map and open the holes in the sleeve to 80% or so. Doing that, you have to be very careful not to mess up during install
@@dynojoemods2764 hey man, I really appreciate the response. Just wanted to tell you that I'm so impressed with where you fit in this community. All of the builder's / porters watch how you push the envelop. We all admire the courage it takes to do shit that no one else does. I completely understand the theory of porting the sleeve with reference through the holes drilled. Absolutely no one that I have seen has ever sleeved cylinders because you can't find anyone to chrome them for you. Please have a look in Canada if you haven't already done so, we have some great shops especially in western Canada. Anyway, I'm really curious to see how this 500I does in the real world of logging. Keep putting up the great content Joe, we all appreciate the effort more than you know. Cheers brother
@@dynojoemods2764 If you had enough axis on a CNC machine, including one of those rotational mounts you could probably build mounting plates with tight studs for indexing the cylinder. Id say you could get the cnc to do MOST of the work, reducing the need to even pre drill. Maybe even for rough porting. Then you are just going in for cleanup. Problem would be machine cost and programming time.
@@dynojoemods2764 no way! That's nutty. Seems like everyone is pulling the pin on doing that eh. Over seas stuff I guess isn't making it viable to try and fix shit now adays or something?
@@victoriousvictor7978 Yeh, it is rather frusturating lol. I would guess blind cylinder to be a very very small percentage of the work. I just may have to learn how to do them myself.
Exhaust ports behave like loudspeaker vents : smaller surface leads to higher air speed thus saturate at a moment. Could you give us the exhaust port surface ratio in respect to cylinder exhaust surface ?
This is a bit different than most. Area at the cylinder wall is a bit larger than area at the muffler flange. And muffler outlet area with the dual pipes is much larger than both.
@@cyrillepinton3398 Mostly because of the larger bore and piston skirt. They allowed me to go much wider than stock. And stock has a relatively small exhaust flange too. So this is wide, small, wide again.
@@dynojoemods2764 interesting. I would have not gone so far for two reasons: it's against the theory of two strokes tuned exhaust (conservative argument), and it leads to higher exhaust acoustic impedance for the cylinder (mechanic would say it accelerate the exhaust gaz speed at the output: more resistance). Could it be the reason of shorten power band at high rpm in regards to standard ported 500i?
@@cyrillepinton3398 The shorten powerband on the graph is the 500i "tune" they go rich as soon as it sensed any load. 98% of the time the 500i will give me that dip.
@Dyno Joe Mods cheers. Guessing after this cutting season 2 of mine will be pretty tired and need some new life put back into them. No luck finding someone to plate them yet?
YO JOE! HOW MUCH YOU ASKIN TO BUILD A SAW. this fella trims for a living. And stuff happens. They get broke. I want a built 661. Have two need one built. HOW MUCH?
I've built a few 660'S . don't go to crazy in the horse power numbers otherwise you will snap the crank. ( I've done this before ) . a 101 cc big bore putting out 10.7 horsepower runs sweet and you can still work it all day.