(88)The Federation Class Dreadnought 

love your videos. You seem to present them as if you are within the Trek universe at some point in the future. At what point in the Trek timeline do you see your self when presenting this information?

“Dreadnaught class. Two times the size, three times the speed, advanced weaponry, modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most federation vessels it’s built solely for combat.”

One of the few Federation designs that made the logical move and buried the bridge deep inside the primary hull, where it would be much less susceptible to battle damage!

Federation: Launches the Dreadnought Klingons: Outrageous! Romulans: Provocative! Gorn: Outrageously Provocative! Tholians: Meh, we just need a slightly bigger web.

When Starfleet adds a third nacelle on top of an existing design, you know shit's getting real.

Having the Dreadnought class is a necessary show of strength for the Federation! Though we don't want to start wars we at least show that the Federation is capable of defending itself. " The Federation is neither weak or foolish!" Cmdr. Toreth of the Romulan Warbird

If Star Trek II had gotten off the ground, we could have had an episode where Kirk takes command of a Dreadnought after the captain is killed in battle. With Spock in the Enterprise and Kirk in the Dreadnought, they fight off the threat to Star Fleet and save the day. I remember see the Dreadnought in the Technical Manual back in 1975, I was in love.

Little known fact, not only did this class of ship have a larger bowling alley, but also a mini golf course.

I remember seeing the concept art for the Dreadnaught class Starships in books in the mid 80’s. Great video on this. I almost forgot about this Starship design.

Excellently done. I’ve always liked the Dreadnought class and you’ve done it justice here. I’ve always called it the _Federation_ class after the lead ship, though.

Awesome video, thank you! I saw William Shatner at BGSU (Ohio) at one of the first ever conventions, and a lady up front asked him about the new Enterprise being a Dreadnought, and Mr Shatner said " Dread not, my dear.." Applause erupted.

The best representation of the Dreadnought and it's derivatives is probably Starfleet Battles. The basic DN and it's refits DIDN'T have Fighters as such, but typically carried 1-2 Multi Role Shuttles (a faster, more powerful shuttle but not a true fighter). In SFB however, the Federation did field CV's built on a modified Dreadnought hull. The CV variants did carry full Fighter Squadrons including designs purpose built for anti ship strikes.

_Waiting for Captain Foley of "Trekyards" to pop his head in._ 😉

Imagine if Starfleet had taken the effort to make a new super dreadnought ship that was more than a match for the Scimitar in Nemesis? Then that battle would have been so awesome! Watch Shinzon finally having to face a ship that can easily take on the Scimitar and win!

FINALLY a design that doesn’t put the Command center of the ship on the very top with a big sign saying “Shoot Me Here!” and those idiots try to scrap it.

You always amaze me of how you combine Alfa and Beta Canon so flawlessly.

So didn't we see in the "All Good Things" series finale for ST:TNG a Dreadnought-inspired take on the Galaxy class of starship? 3rd warp engine, additional firepower...

I have the Technical Manual i love the look of the Dreadnought Class i always thought it was a great evolution of the TOS Constitution Class ships. Awesome job as always thanks cant wait for your video on the USS Star Empire =)

There was also a TOS book call Dreadnaught!. It had its own holographic cloaking device.

I wish that the dreadnought/battleship designs from the Starfleet Command games have been in the films or TV shows, loved those behemoth warships' designs.

I'm looking forward to the Star Empire video. This video is very cool! I remember reading a TOS book called Dreadnaught and the actions of a minor character in the show being the main character in the book. From what I understand, it wasn't the most popular of the Star Trek books but is one of my favorites as it really digs deep into a below deck's perspective and the day-to-day life of someone not part of the command crew.

3:03 - Now, we know where the Galaxy Dreadnought got the idea of a 3rd Nacelle from. 😎😉

Finally waited for this moment. That's my most favorite TOS-era ship of all time. That should have been in Star Trek Online too. Hopefully not as a lockbox, Infinity, or Legendary ship lol.

Imagine an enemy saying "Don't built any more of that ship, they are too powerful for us!". Heck, i'd triple the order for that class!

"The more they over-take the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain..."

Really love this vid, I very very vaguely recall seeing a Dreadnought class ship on the front cover of a TOS era book when I was a kid many moons ago. I love your take on this ship, having it be built in limited numbers and serving a deterrent/big stick. :)

Thank you for making exactly the video I've been looking for! I've been waiting for this ship since I bought the Star Fleet Technical Manual back in '76.

I have that technical manual and have wanted for YEARS to see that dreadnought on screen. Thanks for a most awesome video!

I always wondered why Starfleet ships put their bridge on top of the saucer instead of being in it's center. Great to see at least one ship had this design. Great video. 👍

As a kid some five decades ago, I built AMT's Enterprise kit, and having the "Starfleet Tech Manual", I built another kit into the single-nacelled Destroyer class. I always wished they had brought out the Dreadnought in a kit, but alas they didn't. Cool design.

The Dreadnought Class made a come back in the move "Star Trek: Beyond". Too bad it was blown to bits in the movie.

I wish they had this ship in Star Trek online

"Emergency speed of warp 10" Me: Oh boy everyone is gonna turn into weird lizard things

This is an interesting take on the dreadnought class. You never failed to amaze me

You know, the Franz Joseph designs got me thinking. What if, after the losses Starfleet endured during Discovery, they needed a way to rebuild their fleet both quickly, and cost-efficently. So rather than designing and building every class of ship from the ground up, they instead opted to design a modular collection of shared parts and sections which are then just bolted together in whichever configuration Starfleet needed to fulfill various roles, significantly cutting down on construction time and allowing them to churn out more ships quickly.

The spikes on the bussard collectors are a win for me, I have always loved the spikes on the constitution class, and is what I have on my own in STO. I am very surprised that this isnt being introduced to STO in their temporal recruit in c store or lobi store, or even the horrid gambling boxes as of course a t6 dreadnought carrier I would guess. The placing of the bridge makes much more sense doesnt it, better protection in case of hull breaches as long as the location of the bridge is classified, enemies when shields were down would probably "target the bridge, full disruptors" and not realise that the bridhe location had been moved. In the place of the bridge it also looks like a sensor dome. The nacelle on the saucer makes sense, all personnel to be evacuated to the saucer in a dire emergency then seperate and go to warp to the nearest Federation facility as I am going to guess that even that will have a sort of limited use - just a guess depending on the wrap engines fuel storage facilites in the saucer When I first ever saw the design many many moons ago, i seriously did not get the dish at the aft of the secondary hhull till you explained your version of it and it makes sense. Long before Galaxy wings to command fleet units and attack shuttles, you would have the dreadnought doing these various functions, though its weapons seem to be lacking for a dreadnought, but I suppose I am just being picky, you expect a dreadnought to be a powerhouse of weapons (basing it from war dreadnoughts we have had in our history here armed to the teeth but slow to turn), I expected more phasers banks, but I guess the design engineers thought that 5 dual banks would be enough. I am going to take a wild assumption that the fighters would also be a aprt of the ship's arsenal. The UFP is never prepared for their adversaries, even old ones to become as powerful, to the Battle of the Binary Stars should have been the wake up call and make them realise that having some dreadnoughts built but not put into service unless the time demanded it would have been a good idea instea of objectifying things with a blind arrogance - Sisko did that at the 2nd Battle of Chintoka and my god that snugness soon vanished, the loss of his ship, the fleet, it was thanks to the female changeling stopping Weyoun from destroying the escape pods and allowing the survivors to return to Federation territory that allowed them to escape, thats just an example, the Federation should never think they are superior in any way and that there will be bigger threats out there that they may yet encounter. Never underestimate an adversary or enemy that goes quiet, let alone an ally or friend, they can be the ultimate downfall... Back on topic, ha ha. The internal systems of the dreadnought seem to be a sort of standard to the 24th century of ships, having backup systems to their emergency backups, this makes the dreadnought quite revolutionary and also much more safety focused for a warship - ironic isnt it? I honestly would have laughed if a 50 year old Klingon vessel took out a dreadnought, that would have been such a repeat in history sort of in the 24th century with a 20 year old out of date Bird of Prey taking out the Federation flagship (yes I know they had the means to do so thanks to Geordi's visor). The Dreadnought literally brought more peace between the three powers just by being constructed, with the vast resources the Federation had, it would be easy to construct these ships, and given the advancement of technologies and skills, the building times would also be shortened as well. Fantastic work sir, Peace and Long Life

The Dreadnought was one of my favorites when I was a kid, from the early designs, and my ex-bf thought I was crazy when I SCREAMED in the theater about the Vengeance OMF IT'S A DREADNOUGHT KIRK IS SCREWED

I like the Federation's beauty shots :)

I love that you’ve repurposed the extra dishes, one of the features of this class that I’m least fond of. Great video, as always! I really enjoy these Truth or Myth Betas you’ve doing for starship classes. 💜🖖

I remember reading the Star Trek novel Dreadnought. I wish it appeared in the original series.

The federation doesn't make pure battleships but when they do boy do they ever make them scary. The Vengeance proved that.

I love this class. Years ago, I actually wrote a movie idea that I submitted (obviously the studio told me to take a hike) I did have a dreadnought in it.

Very nice! Love the visuals of the ship and the story you've come up with!

There was a Star Trek novel I read when I was younger called Dreadnought that had a similar-looking startship on its cover

Thanks for this great video. For those of us old enough to remember, the ships and other information within the Star Fleet Technical Manual was once nearly the only source of further Star Trek information for fans starving for more (I still have mine). I hope you also review other ships in that book - the Saladin Class Destroyer, the Hermes Class Scout, and especially the Ptolemy Class Transport/Tug as it has always been one of my favorites.

11:06 and were I a member of that council…there’d be one simple statement that would be delivered in response “If you don’t violate our territory or attack us, then you have nothing to fear” Followed by “Ironic that you complain about us making a ship that can defend ourselves from the best you have, and yet if you were to make a more powerful ship that’s a threat to us and we were to make a complaint to you, you’d laugh in our faces as well”

Man I remember seeing this in the original technical manual

I've been waiting to see more on the Dreadnought class since there were a few books written with one in them. I own the original book on starfleet vessels published around 50 years ago as well as the original enterprise blueprints which I both treasure. Thank you for this video that was done so well. A long time Trek Fan

I would love to see this in Star Trek Online. Great video.

TOS warp 10, 1000x light, was equivalent of TNG warp 5.7 so nobody had to worry about turning into lizards.

My mother unknowingly threw away my ST Tech Manual a couple of years after I left for college. Along with a substantial number of Marvel and DC comics (I'd bet there were some valuable ones in the bunch). I'd love to have that manual back again. Well, going over to ebay and Amazon to look now. Thank you for the great content. 🖖🏼

a ship so powerful your enemies complain about it. Gotta love it.

That was excellent. Two things. As a kid, I had (have) Franz Joseph’s Technical Manual and drooled over it (also the blueprints but that’s another story). Of course, I imagined I was in Star Fleet [sic] and I was the Captain of a ship, and my first was the Saladin Class Destroyer USS Lysander NCC-540. As a promotion I was given command of one of the new Federation Class ships, USS Dominion NCC-2115 (Dominion as I am Canadian and the “Dominion of Canada”). Ya gotta dream, right? I wrote my own Starfleet history and in my version, the addition of the third nacelle caused issues with the warp field (as mentioned in the “Star Trek Spaceflight Chronology”1980 regarding the ill-fated three-engined Tritium Class) and the ship was scrapped. I also like your version as well. And, yes, next you must do the Saladin Class. I made two versions of this in model form - one an original configuration from Franz Joseph’s book, as well as a “refit” version (a la Constitution II) - both converted from Enterprise models. USS Lysander NCC-540.

The videos you produce just keep getting better and better. Keep up the fantastic work.

"emergency speed of warp factor 10 for 6 hours". That is, of course, old warp scale. The notion of making Warp 10 the demon that lived in the really thin air, that would wreck starships or turn their crews into salamanders if they tried to exceed it, didn't come along until NextGen. The notion of holding emergency warp for a matter of hours instead of minutes, though, is truly impressive. Enterprise' emergency warp factor was 8 for years, which it could hold for roughly half an hour before fuel supplies were bone-dead empty. In later years, presumably with the benefit of a legendary chief engineer, she could push it to warp 9 for about 15 minutes. But to hold warp 10 for six hours? "Aw, man, they took out the swimming pool." "Yes. And the arboretum. And the bowling alley. They needed the space for the new fuel tank. But look on the bright side. They kept the gelato machine."

Loved the video. This is one of my favorite classes of Starship. Love the TOS time of star trek.

Great video! I agree the Federation needed dedicated warships and always thought the existing Miranda Class could have been easily re-fitted as heavily armored dedicated gunships.

I can't wait for the rest of the series on the dreadnought classes especially how they're dealt with in different shows

Check out the TOS book called "Dreadnought". A good read and it discusses this class of ship, pretty well.

4:00 one thing that’s always drawn me in with sci fi is the shapes and lines…being diagnosed on the spectrum, there is something innately attracting and satisfying seeing things shaped just right As such, in this shot, the matching angle of the nacelle pylons so close in forward view to the angle of the bulge on the underside of the saucer, is a direct instant yes from me on the ship being aesthetically pleasing….

I absolutely love all of your videos, i wish we could have seen this ship in the motion picture time frame though

Woot love your videos, this is a home run.

The Romulan and Klingon Empires tried to petition their enemy to not build powerful warships? Wow, just wow!

I like the look of the Proxima class from Star Trek Legacy, which appears to be partly based on the Dreadnought class.

Dreadnaught is the B-36 Peacemaker of the Federation.

Enjoyed the narrative in this video

I've been looking for this ship for like 10 years now! I read about it in a book when I was a kid and never remembered the name of the book. if I recall it also was capable of generating a photonic decoy, pretty sweet feature!

Id love to see a 3 episode run where this ship and crew were moved to another time to have some "fun".

If were in beta/non-cannon the Aries class would predate the dreadnaught class. A ship built in the 1st federation-Klingon war. Now this ship is non-cannon/fan cannon.

The Starfleet Dreadnought class was analogous to the B-52. Unfortunately the Federation didn't have a Strategic Air Command. This would have given to the Dreadnought class the impetus that it needed to survive beyond the demise of its mother agency.

From day one I've always thought the main bridge should have been placed in the center of the saucer section on all star ships. Sitting on top it's like a bullseye to an enemy from above....

As the old saying goes: Walk softly and carry a big stick.

Take a piece of paper with a pencil and go from there people! Designs are endless! Love it!

The Dreadnought class is a really cool looking vessel I would love 2 C more videos like this

Wow, this looks awesome! Thank you very much for this informationVideo

Have always loved this ship thanks for featuring it on your show. I wish eaglemoss would make a series of these old designs in their collection.

A friend who ran our FASA Star Trek RPG (1st Ed) game had this book and used it as a source for the campaign. I really like this one from the book. I wish that it made it into Star Trek Online.

In Beta canon, one of the rpgs had a combat cruiser version of the Mirandas, I think. I always liked the idea that the Mirandas with the modular design, could during wartime, have those modules replaced with systems to improve the ships' offensive and defensive systems. I could easily see getting new Mirandas built and then making sure certain modules to make them real warships could be hidden in other cost appropriation requests.

It would seem the Federation took a lesson from Earth's history and then modernized it and used it to their advantage. What I am talking about is what President Theodore Roosevelt once said " speak softly and carry a big stick, you will go far". The Dreadnaught class WAS the Federation's big stick. Peace through strength. Also, hard to believe that they do not have this ship in the fleet museum.

This is a cool looking ship and I am really enjoying this series and your narration is awesome. You're channel and you personally are my favourite RU-vid Subscription. ❤️👍

*They call it the Wanderer, yeah the Wanderer ....!!*

They should create an entire series based on a dreadnought. Show the fire power of this thing imagine if kirk was in command

This is from the books in the early 70's, before the pros at Paramount redesigned the enterprise and updated everything. The nacelles her are straight out of 1967.

"First it should be faster...." Thank you for that. Few of us battleheads understand that to be the most important factor. Especially in a four dimensional area. The Dreadnought class is about twice as fast at warp as the Connie, as both are imagined. That alone lets it control roughly eight times the space as one. I've said that before, but most need it explained. I think you're the first to get that without me explaining it that I've ever heard. At least you said it. Again, thank you.

This class starship's designer had psychological warfare in mind when designing the starship class.

I like the one in "Into Darkness"...

Fun fact: though the ship was never seen the ship and class is cannon as one of them is mentioned in the motion picture both by name and number (i`ll edit the comment when I find witch one it was as it was first seen in the tech manual released before the movie)

Surely, at some point, it must have seen battle. That must have been glorious....

Glad you made mention of the Star Empire. My fingers were a,ready typing up a comment!

The Dreadnaught is now Canon thanks to Star Trek Picard. Also as in the TNG episode "All Good Things" the Galaxy class was upgraded to a Dreadnaught.

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely greatly well done and very wonderfully nicely well informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the Dreadnought Class Starship's indeed Sir!; And I myself have 3 different models of this ship 2 of the TOS design and one of the Refit design that I haven't built yet, any ways I have always liked the design of the Dreadnought class the only problem with the TOS design compared to the refit design is it just doesn't truly have enough Phaser banks or photon torpedoe tubes to be actually considered as a Battle Ship or to truly really be able to protect itself in a major all out Battle!🤔?.

I think one valuable bit that the Federation overlooked about the Dreadnought, was that in addition to its sheer intimidating presence, it's enormous power would have been ideal for colonization further out. It's design is certainly robust to carry colonists and their resources needed to colonize a planet. Providing stationary power, defense, mobility, and basically a starbase level starship. It would have been a secure way to colonize, defend, and add to the Federation's long reach. Also, especially like the USS Vengeance Variant (3 nacelles as well). This beast was nearly a mile long and would give even the most confident Romulan or Klingon Commander pause. It's frightening enough with two nacelles, but add three? Now you got the equivalent of an Imperial Ubiqtorate Base with matching firepower. This would be the Super Dreadnought Class USS Ares (God of War) and her sister ships: 1. USS Shariel 2. USS Zeus 3. USS Yamato 4. USS Sitting Bull 5. USS Gettysburg 6. USS Hastings 7. USS Shiva 8. USS Erlang Shen 9. USS Odin 10. USS Neit 11. USS Santo 12. USS Buluc Chabtan Named after famous battles on Earth and various Gods of War and death.

Your videos are always appreciated!

Excellent! Loved seeing the Joseph design included in beta cannon

Don't forget the old tabletop game Star Fleet Battles, had the dreadnought.

Excellent video and analysis. Really enjoy your channel. 🖖

Some pictures of this eras starships on the internet show an even bigger Mars-class Battleship. An impressive ship either of them.

The USS Federation was indeed an upgrade of the Constitution Class ships. It was so powerful and such a threat that it staved off war with both the Klingon and Romulan Empires long enough for them both to see peace as an alternative to warfare. The Yamato Class would do about the same thing much later in history. And both were literal powerhouses of military might for the Federation. I have never understood the propensity of the Federation for not having true Military Ships in it's Fleets. The lack of an 'Iron Fist' within the velvet glove of diplomacy often led to potential foes thinking that they had more of a chance to defeat the Federation than they really did. Relying upon your manufacturing base, AFTER hostilities break out, is not a recipe for success, and the Federation paid, time and again, for such lack of foresight on it's part. Even though Earth learned NOT to wage war upon itself, it should have never forgotten the lessons of HIstory. A long and bloody history of conflict and horrors that should have guided them towards peace, as it did, but should have also taught them that forearmed is better than being weaponless once conflict does come. Just a few thoughts, spoken Frank-ly

Excellent job! yes more of the TOS ships.

I had this debate w/ u before & u had told me that there wasn't a a Dreadnought class , even though I said it was in one of the old Starfleet tech manuals ,as well as being in the final STNG episodes !