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It's simple to understand what these psycho companies original agenda was. They've always plan for years ahead. Going Digital was the point. Get everyone digitally addicted hence this no history having generation Z. Cut the servers down when we no longer support them. Then Eliminate the whole library. Thus no more Historic games. The problem was no one wanted to do something about it. Just like the Actors an Writers now are protesting the A.I. digital crap. Folks should of stand up an fought back. But we can prolong the inevitable while giving us more time to find solutions is the only hope.
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Kelsey Lewin has been talking about video game preservation for over a decade now I remember watching a 45 minute talk she gave back in 2014. She’s definitely very passionate about it and doesn’t want to see games disappear, ROMs are literally preserving history!
Love your guys content. My family visits our library at least once a week. I have noticed a slightly growing video game library everytime I'm there. I have seen wii, wii u, 360, ps3, ps4, ps5, switch, and xbox series games available. It's not much, but it is a start. We really need to draw attention to preserving this art form. And your channel is at the forefront. Thanks for all you do.
Since I was a teenager I have been a huge fan of Commodore 64 and Commodore Amiga. Literally thousands of games were released on these systems, but merely a handful have ever been preserved in a retail system with the C64 and Amiga mini consoles and a couple of emulation packages for PC. This is why I highly value my Raspberry Pi that has the thousands of titles. These ‘Roms’ may be the work of pirates, but they are the ones who have helped preserve an entire history of gaming.
From a movie perspective, often times what you'll run into is that the movie itself is available; however, specific scenes and whatnot are often trimmed out over time. So the issue comes up of the "original cut" of a film becoming very difficult to track down and in some cases, lost forever. Thanks fellas for the great content and speaking of old film content, I'd love to see more on VHS if you guys are interested in that subject as well. There is a relatively untapped content goldmine with so few quality channels like yours putting on VHS content.
Love this discussion, agree about selling off old collection for other consoles and games, done that very thing myself regrettably. (CIB NES and N64 Games)
I really like what you guys are doing, keep collecting as much as you can. There are so many game collectors out there and it is hard to find older physical copies of games you want to buy, but don't give up
I’ve spoken with former Atari game designers and programmers. They had no thoughts one way or the other in the late 70s and 80s about making games that people would be playing 30-40 years later. They had deadlines to meet, and then they started work on creating a new game. The distant future, preservation and so forth never occurred to them. They hoped they were making games that would be successful in the moment, but never thought along the lines of, “I’m making history.”
Yes! Agreed. I posted a similar comment. It was and is nobody's direct fault because simply put, NO ONE that I could find thru research had even thought about preserving games back then because gaming itself was inherently never meant to be "preserved" in the first place. It was about "in the moment". And let me tell ya, it was a BLAST! Hahaha!😄👍🕹️
This is why I want GameCube switch online not only does it preserve a good amount of the GameCube library but also Nintendo isn’t going to remaster 90% of GameCube games so they could easily put those on the service I know a service isn’t a perfect solution but it’s better than what we have now for GameCube which is nothing besides Nintendo remastering 3 GameCube games which is cool but we also need to preserve way more than 3
GOTG getting sponsored, HELL YEAH🤘🤘🤘I'm getting me a box of Cheddies🔥🔥🔥 Also, it's so true that ROMS are preserving history. We have already seen what has happened to movies and TV shows from the past. If there was no VHS/DVD, or if the content has not been put on a digital or streaming platform, the movie/TV show is essential lost for good. We should NEVER let that happen to video games‼️‼️‼️
22:05 that's the point of emulation. Preservation. Because the companies have no idea what they're doing and sometimes don't have the source code anymore.
Basically it’s all the obscure hidden gems that are gone in the future. I think games like, Super mario, Zelda, Castlevania, Metroid etc will always be available.
It's so crazy to think that companies are so against emulation for games they won't provide commercially. Like you would think that companies like Nintendo would either try and make money making it all available or just shut up
My opinion, emulation is the best thing to happen to video games in a long time, maybe ever This is coming from someone who has a collection of over 3000 physical games and 50+ consoles Always love the content guys!
@@silasrocco Not 50+ "unique" consoles (though how would you characterize something like the sega nomad vs a genesis, and a launch ps3 with backwards compatibility vs a super slim?) At this point, it's easier to list what I don't have, and I don't even bother with a backlog list Regardless, it's too many consoles and too many games lol 😬
A very substantial amount of Neo-Geo games are available through Hamster's Arcade Archives on PS4/Xbox One/Switch for $8 a piece. Still, I miss what the Virtual Console was doing in the Wii era. I really thought that was the future of retro game sales in digital format.
Great conversation bros, I agree, companies need to make these games available. Most of my collection is physical, maybe 10% is on emulation. Appreciate you guys, cheers!
Great vid guys and very eye opening… crazy we ever came to this and I’m glad I’ve been collecting since the early 90s . All I can say is is take great care of your collection to be one of the few showing the future the past and let’s all come together as a gaming community and try to stop this. Cheers
I have a virtual boy that i have had since 95 with like 15 games but it took a crap last year, still turns on but it makes a loud noise and the screen flutters, i cant find anybody who will touch it for repairs. Sits on a shelf in a closet
Thanks for highlighting this important topic, guys! It's scary to think about all of the games that have been lost to time. There are so many reasons for a lack of preservation, but I will say that rights issues hampering backwards compatibility efforts caused me to finally order an original Xbox last week. I had one back in the day but it broke. In hindsight, I should have tried to fix it instead of throwing it away. But that hardware is aging and there is only so much that can be done to keep it going. Games across all platforms, quality or not, ought to be preserved as historical artifacts at the very least. Cheers.
Don’t think anyone realized how big the number was of games you can’t get anymore. I have no I idea of how we can fix it but Sega needs to release collections of there Saturn and Dreamcast libraries. That’s easy money for them. Great video! Cheers 🍻
Totally! Not sure why SEGA is just leaving those to consoles on the sideline. They only focus on the Genesis. Love the Genesis but they have so much other stuff they don't tough. Hope all is well with you two. Cheers!
"We've got plenty of games to play for the rest of our lives." I'm afraid this is the main reason a lot of people don't care. We already have our collections and our subscription services with a big enough backlog of games to play, who cares about playing a game from 30 years ago? It's sad, but...
Can you imagine being a 15 year old today, coming across a cool looking gamecube game that was long before your time that you wanna play. How do you get it officially? You don't have a job so you have to ask mom/dad to buy you an old CRT, the console, at least one controller AND the game, all of which might not even be in working condition AND a parent might not even want to make room in the house for a big setup like that.
In regard to libraries, another important thing that they do is have online databases for research purposes. You can access many books and other forms of media through databases, but not with video games. It's ridiculous that people can't access a video game archive database for research purposes like you can with books, movies, or music. The FTC is arguing that copyright is the reason that can't happen, but that hasn't stopped all other forms of media from being available in library archives.
I sold my collection like a fool. So now I got a nice pc and a set of 48tybte collections of all the systems and mame. And it plays like a dream. I still collect switch and PS5 stuff.
12:50 you should do a video on top 5-10 games you purchased 2, 3, or even more times. I purchased MTX mototrax 3 times, ssx tricky 3 times, the punisher twice, MGS 2 twice, MX rider twice, MX unleashed twice, NBA live 99 twice, Croc twice, SOCOM 1-3 twice, Devil may cry OG twice, Super offroad the Baja SNES twice, DKC 1-3 SNES twice, Quake II ps1 twice, NBA street twice, Thunder strike ps1 twice, oh god....
Hey guys, huge fan of the channel! In the case of Neo Geo, pretty much every game is available on all major platforms! It is actually one of the best consoles to try to go back and play because you can get so many of the games, including Japanese only games, as part of the ACA series.
Dang, when I watch you guys I’m reminded of what a hypocrite I am. I haven’t had DVDs in over a decade, but I’m super pissed when I can’t find a physical copy of a certain video game. But I really feel like the industry is strong arming us away from physical copies. Like the new Diablo, if you want all the perks of pre buying the game two months out (a mount, mount armor, the ability to take part in beta, etc), you HAVE to purchase it digitally.
Even SEGA is doing this with Like A Dragon Gaiden. no physical copies for the west. If japan gets the physical copy with english subtitles i will import it
Nobody is strong arming anyone. Every time you buy a digital game when there is a physical copy available? You are part of the problem. Download a book on your kindle instead of going to Barnes and Noble for a physical copy? You are part of the problem. Waiting for it to come to streaming or renting a movie instead of buying the bluray? You are part of the problem. See how this works?
Great topic. Please more about this. But do no underestimate how many works of other art forms/media are lost. Countless book and movies have been lost to time or are unavailable. The topic is very hot in the the movie collector sphere as well. I can recommend the Cereal at Midnight channel for that. They have a recent interview with film historian Amanda Reyes who explains that loosing movies is not exclusive to the streaming services removing content and old movies not getting a physical media release. Countless TV movies and shows that are beloved and/or historically relevant are gone forever.
Emulation can be as complex or simple as you want it to be. EmuDeck is your best bet in getting emulation up and running on a PC or handheld. They have a windows version on their Patreon. It scans your device for ROMs and files then it automatically connects those games to the right emulator.
Snatcher is a big one that is confusing to me as to why it hasn’t had a proper rerelease. It had such a limited release on Sega cd. Without emulation I feel like a lot of people wouldn’t have ever even played it.
Remember the switch also offers other old games spread out throughout nes, snes, sega genesis, GB, GBA besides N64 they also put arguably the best N64 games Mario 64, Zelda, Goldeneye. They have to balance it out. Im more confenred about the quality rather than quantity of the games. If you want to play every game that badly on every console you have to the emulation, roms options for all games regardless of the company.
Really enjoy you guys - just love the format of you you two just talking about issues. I don’t have time to play games anymore but it’s fun to relive stuff with you guys. I stopped gaming with the Wii and have thought about getting a Switch someday and your buying guide was very helpful!
There's no law against restoring cars and selling it but there is the infamous C&D case where the wife of the creator behind a specific Mustang model that has been claiming all Mustangs with the specific "Elanor" kit in both name and cosmetic appearance from the Gone in 60 Second movies. The latest victim was a youtuber, B is for Build where his modern Mustang was claimed because he was in the process of converting his modern 2000s Mustang into a 60-something "Elanor" Mustang which looks virtually identical to the Shelby Mustang.
@@GamingOffTheGridtheres a lot but not as much as it was 10 years ago. Much media has been refound over the years. 2 of the most notable lost media searches right now are the slamfest 99 event and the bootleg batman vs dracula film made in phillipinnes.
87% is so high. I think video game companies should have streaming services available for their entire collections. Then we preserve them. I still have my 5 & a quarter inch floppy disks with games I played on my parents PC back in the 80s. I'm looking to get an PC so I can play them again.
I’ve gotten to the point where I’m just modding consoles because of this. If it wasn’t for Homebrew and emulation, I would of never played Clock tower, Silent Hill, and Shin Megami Tensei Games. I will always buy games IF ITS for a reasonable price.
Great take on the topic. Not an emulator myself, but have several friends that are. We both are amazed at each other's game rooms for different reasons. One of my favorite parts of MGC is the playable gaming museum, played CDi, Colecovision, Sega CD, and Atari Jaguar all within an hour! Where else is that possible?! Cheers boys.
The one game I regret selling off to get money to buy a new game was Zelda: The Minish Cap. Loved that game growing up, first Zelda game that I beat and saw the ending. When I saw the used prices when I wanted to get it again, I was blown away on how expensive it was now compared to the $10-ish dollars I sold it for along with some PS2 and Wii games at a used games store. Thankfully, I have it again (USA copy instead of my original PAL version) and managed to get it below the Ebay scalper prices, but it still wasn't cheap. Only childhood GBA I'm still missing is Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, and I'm in no rush to get that soon. Glad I didn't sell WarioWare: Twisted. Love that game as well.
Actually something scary happened in the UK recently. A huge store chain over similar to wal mart called Tesco has announced that they will not be stocking physical games anymore. The digital future will be here sooner than imagined. You guys should talk about that.
At least with physical copies games have a chance to be preserved after they are discontinued. The modern digital age will become the dark age of games and most of the content will be lost in the future. This has already been proven with the disappearance of Adobe flash, flash art and flash games. Flash games were a huge segment before Adobe discontinued flash, and most of those old flash games are completely gone forever. The servers and distribution system disappeared completely within a couple of months of the Adobe announcement. The support structure disappeared so fast taking all of the data with it that many developers did not even have a chance to capture their statistics or backup copies from the servers. Casual games still exist, but the entire history of flash games is gone forever. The same fate awaits all of the modern digital content when the licensing ends. Titles that you mentioned with big names such as WWF would most likely require new negotiations for the companies to reproduce them. Just remember the fate of flash games which were some of the first digital only games that reached wide spread distribution, and think of how game companies are pushing for digital only content distribution..
Film's are given grants, funding, because film is, 1. Considered an "Art", which leads to 2. considered cultural artefacts which leads to 3. concerted efforts and means to preserve them (via independent and government based grants which gives funding for professional restoration, preservation and storage). The same needs to be said of games, they are an art form, when legally and culturally accepted as so, they could gain funding and protection laws to help preserve them more legitimately. I don't know how, but the gaming community would need to come together to petition laws to be changed regarding all of this.
The game industry has done an terrible job at preserving its history. The fact that it’s down to fans to back up game roms is disappointing. Publishers need to find a way to make games available in some form be it legally available emulators or streaming services.
I’m becoming less and less interested in modern games and movies. And part of that is always the rose tinted glasses that happens with every generation. And part of it is I genuinely think the quality is becoming rarer and less consistent. Am I wrong?
The video game industry wanted to turn video games into fast food and never care about physical gaming and wanted to sell the next game in there menu. To this day the video game industry never call video games as "ART" as they rather wanted you to see them as disposable gaming.
Great discussion, fellas. I would say 98% of all games put on ROM or disc have been preserved by the community. I understand the vast majority of the public don't want to download a rom set and emulator and play on their PC, but even streaming commercially (like a games Spotify) would have it's own issues. The licensing problems alone would make it dead in the water. There are things like Antstream, but it's a fraction of what is available on the internet archive. Tbh, music has this issue too. There's artists I could download on Napster back in the day that aren't available commercially today.
Actually guys LOTS of Dreamcast games are or were available on modern systems. Stuff like Sonic Adventures 1/2, Crazi Taxi (minus Offspring of course), Daytona, Jet Grind Radio, Shenmue 1/2, etc There is a line also called ACA Neo Geo that has HUNDREDS of games. I share your pov on many things in this video about music/movies vs games but if you dig deeper you'll see more and more games are getting reedited when liscencing is not an issue. For the rest Emulation...
I have 4 neices & a newphew. I've tried very very hard to teach them 1) Curiosity and 2) things exist outside of Goodle/Netflix/InternetMonopolies. I've shown them how Disney movies look better on VHS than Disney+ which is too "clean." Cartoons from "Fox-Family" which currently are *NEVER* coming out of the "vault." For video games the best example is probably Mario Galaxy *2*. It exists but is not in All Stars. The Mario Advance e+ card levels are another example of lost media.
It's always great when you guys do discussion videos like this. And I've been thinking about this topic. About a week or two after your PS3 PSN video I actually got lucky at my local thrift store and found a good PS3 for 10 bucks, and the first thing I did was get a PSN card and bought persona 2. Great game, but I started to realize that if you want to play Persona 2 the only way you can is on PS3. For some reason Atlus refuses to re-released it. And once the PS3 store shuts down, there will be no option to get it. Which sucks because is such an awesome game. Keep up the good work guys, you're one of my favorite RU-vid channel.
Great article guys it is very important to preserve games it is so sad that greed destroys everything i agree you should be able to go to the library and sign out games
I think the way we solve game preservation is by creating a decentralized network to distribute Roms digitally. As long as it isn’t on one server in a given country it would be hard to take down.
Arcade games got it the worst. Some arcade game had such limited distribution or are so heavily licensed that they will never be seen again outside of MAME.
sounds horrible all the classic and retros disappearing doesn't look like a good future imagine only having to only play games made by greedy companies
I truly believe that not being able to preserve games will be the downfall of gaming in a way. It will make a lot of us turn away. This is the reason why I don’t care to own any new gen console. As a collector and preserver. I want to be able to re live the past and if I can’t with ps5 and so on I’m out. Why waste my money. This is a great topic guys! Much love and hopefully the creators and console makers will understand this and make the changes. 🍻 cheers
Sticking with your mustang analogy… there are some parts that aren’t available aftermarket and you just have to pay what you have to pay for that OE part. (Mustang is a bad example cause you can build a whole mustangs and not use 1 ford part to build it but some GM vehicles are definitely like that) but back to the point, you pay whatever you have to for a original part (game) that’s not available from the aftermarket (roms) unless you “steal” it for free. Totally agree though, there needs to be way to emulate legally. This is a alarming problem that needs to be solved 100%
Its a valid video - but if you can download these games for free and run them on any PC made in last 15yrs then is there a great incentive to pay for the rights for those games and pay to distribute them. The Wii U had a good library of old titles from older systems but they haven't been brought over to the Switch. I don't think its massive issue - I personally think games older than 20yrs old should be free to download and play without needing digital rights management.
Even though I play on emulation, when you think about it, 87% makes sense. They only release the same popular titles (i.e Castlevania, Contra, & NES Mario) 1 to 2 times every generation. When is the last time they re-released Captain America and The Avengers, Lotus 2 Recs, Rise of the Dragon, Pro-Am, X-Men 2 clone wars, and Spiderman maximum Carnage. Even more modern games such as Xenosaga, Star Ocean, Trilogy & Lollipop Chainsaw which is locked to their respective consoles. MVG group is working one some titles, which is a blessing.
Emulation is the only way. The law should be if the game has not been re-released in 10 years in some form commercially there should be no penalty for emulating it.
Video games are kinda a decendant of pinball games, hand held games of the late 1970's like Mattel Football, PONG, board games, and vibrating field football games!
Wow. Really seems to justify my hacked Snes mini w/tons of games (Sega as well), as well as all other means of unlawful access to the games I grew up with. It makes it quite easy to rationalize playing these games whatever way I can. It's just not fair to people who want to play their faves, but don't wanna break the law, while knowing how easy it is to pirate.
I was recently wondering if the companies have game archives where they store the games they've come out with in the past? I was recently wondering that?
We need to start asking local libraries to invest in game circulation. Over the pandi I got back into my neighborhood library and it’s very fun how you can now get blu-ray, manga, omnibus, and audiobooks for free rental’s. Libraries tend to focus on new releases which would still be awesome to try switch and ps5 games. Once they start and see membership go up, it will be a snowball effect.
"Atari 50 Anniversary Celebration" is at least a step in the right direction for video game preservation. While that collection is far from complete, it nevertheless gives us some old school arcade/console games to play again in a physical release remastered & with some history included. Not sure how well it's selling but hopefully it's enough to inspire other publishers & developers like SEGA, EXIDY, Namco, Midway, Taito, Williams, Capcom, & even lesser known ones like Venture Line & Cinematronics to want to follow suit.
So preserved media is the way to go, that is why physical media is necessary. My library I use on Fort Hood here in Texas you can rent CDs, DVDs, Blu-rays, and video games for two weeks. Keep what you got cause it's going to be gone in the future. Also another issue is live service games. The ones now only operate if servers and dev teams behind it. Most will fail and fall and be forgotten for a unforseen time in future. If this didn't make sense my bad I haven't slept almost three days. Enjoyed the vidjya fellas
I have accumulated my video game collection over a life time and you guys are right, people who are not into the hobby will look at you like you are insane. Those who do not appreciate the hobby, tune me out when I try to tell them that most of my games came from flea markets, thrift stores, Black Friday sales or gifts. As for emulation, if the video game is no longer available on a retail market, whether physical or digital, emulation is a great way for everyone to enjoy retro video games. Good luck finding a Truxton 2 arcade machine or a decent arcade for that mater. Thanks for the video guys, cheers.
I'm afraid I can't agree with your legislation proposal Wes. What would effectively happen is the minute something goes out of print it would immediately become public domain. I do think the concept of public domain should return but it should not be instantaneous. Why would anyone buy anything at retail if it'll be free in six months?
You've got a knack for picking the right subjects to discuss: keep it up! The first thing is that we need to stop the problem from getting worse. This can be achieved by having digital storefronts carried on from generation to generation - as is currently the case with PS4 to PS5, and Xbox One to the Series consoles. With every physical title having a digital version, this ensures preservation of current titles. Second - starting, restarting or expanding programs that bring older content to new consoles - like the PS classics and Xbox's back-compat program. Third, encouraging rights-holders to bring old games (either individually or as collections) to new systems - as remakes if necessary. Finally: vote with your wallets! If we buy the older titles that are currently available - companies are more likely to look into bringing more of them.
I think you guys are off about the movie aspect. Have you ever looked up like a random sitcom star from the 60s or 70s only to discover they’d been in roughly 50 to to 100 movies in the 30s 40s and 50s? You can’t find many of those movies for the most part; dozens of movies, you’ve never even heard of before.. Obscure movies completely gone.
My buddy works at a Library and they decided to only start carrying PS5, Xbox Series, and Switch games, so he brought me a stack of free Wii Wii U and PS4 games
Emulation in my opinion is the absolute best way to preserve videogames because it makes you not need the original hardware. One computer can have it all..
