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Digital Decay Of 2000's PC Game DRM 

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I'm tired of modern video games being shut down from pointless server requirements and wanted to help the cause to spread the word that we might be able to do something about it. It also made me wonder, how many of my physical games are now dead? It was a lot more than I thought it would be.
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@TechTangents
@TechTangents Месяц назад
Go to: www.stopkillinggames.com/ Accursed Farms: www.youtube.com/@Accursed_Farms
@samsulummasamsulumma6898
@samsulummasamsulumma6898 Месяц назад
Will do.
@megan_alnico
@megan_alnico Месяц назад
Hey man, I love the idea but it looks like there really isn't much for me to do... I don't own the crew 2.
@kevinerbs2778
@kevinerbs2778 Месяц назад
@ 2:58 your claim online DRM is the single worst thing to happen to PC gaming. Everyone that uses steam will wholly disagree with you & claim that steam which is a DRM/platform saved PC gaming. No one will accept the truth that *Steam is arguably the second worst thing to happen to PC gaming* By Monopolizing pc gaming with steam being the only way to get an absolutely high amount of certain PC games. Next Steam has been around for 20 years now, & I'm sure there a plenty of games that no longer work with Steam because they've already stopped supporting older OS's Not mention they have habit of removing/delisting/editing games. They will take away games & then give you the crappy updated buggy RE-mastered version that you didn't ask for nor did you probably want in the first place. It is nothing more than bribe to keep you happy after they've taken away what you owned in the first place.
@hardwire666too
@hardwire666too Месяц назад
Yeah. As someone else said would love to add my name but I don't own The Crew 2, however as this video points out this problem reaches far beyond just that game. Wish there were more that I could do other than just tweet a link of this video to the FTC.
@g0nz0li0
@g0nz0li0 Месяц назад
Kudos for boosting Ross' message. Great to see the community come together. In my country, Ross and his network have organised a petition for those who didn't buy The Crew 2 and can't directly dispute the closure of the game. So highly encourage everyone to check the site out and see if there's anything they can do at all, no matter how small.
@BouncingZeus
@BouncingZeus Месяц назад
I will always say it. If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't theft or wrong.
@0_1_2
@0_1_2 Месяц назад
The federal Bureau of investigation would like to know your location
@PhobosTK
@PhobosTK Месяц назад
piracy can't be theft by definition
@matthewrease2376
@matthewrease2376 Месяц назад
Came here to say this. You literally haven't stolen anything. ​@@PhobosTK
@EpicTyphlosionTV
@EpicTyphlosionTV Месяц назад
Only issue is you can be thrown in jail for doing so. Ross is trying to change that so nobody has to rely on piracy.
@daskampffredchen9242
@daskampffredchen9242 Месяц назад
It isnt even by law. It is only Copyright infringement
@Mrqwerty2109
@Mrqwerty2109 27 дней назад
"Don't pirate our games!" "Okay then let us play it" "No!"
@Kyle_Riel
@Kyle_Riel 27 дней назад
Remember all those PC Master Race memes now lmao later suckaaa, you guys were played by your own egos. My offline PS2 and PS3 games will always rock!
@overclocker3164
@overclocker3164 27 дней назад
Nintendo is like that
@wakcedout
@wakcedout 27 дней назад
@@Kyle_Rielhoists the skull and crossbones flag. We can still pirate the old games to keep them alive. Running them on our new hardware. Eventually your consoles will become irreparable.
@AbsentQuack
@AbsentQuack 27 дней назад
@@Kyle_Rielemulator goes brrr
@AkaSora96
@AkaSora96 27 дней назад
​​@@Kyle_Riel Yeah emulating PS2 and PS3 games in 4k on my PC sure is tough 😢
@denvera1g1
@denvera1g1 27 дней назад
If Piracy is theft Then blocking access to games you've purchased should be equally criminal.
@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket
@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket 6 дней назад
Piracy is unauthorized duplication of a copy written product. The law dates back to the 70's a long while before the internet became a thing and even longer before it became plausible to share music or videos. It was written to deal with bootleg VHS makers selling unauthorized copies for a profit often without the consumer even knowing. It's not illegal to download something from what I understand but I'm no lawyer and this isn't advise lol. It is illegal to upload, it's a tort to download though so you can be sued. The thing is most companies that try get so much backlash it just isn't worth it for them. Not to mention it can be difficult with VPN's and blocklists (cough or so I'm told). However SELLING something then bait and switching the sale for a lease is in my opinion wrongful enrichment which is also a tort. We should be allowed to class action compel them to release a patch once they shut off the DRM. Because by shutting off the DRM they are admitting to withdrawing their commercial stake anyway. They should be required to pay attorney fee's and a fee for the time we spend deprived of the goods we purchased. A firm slap on the wrist plus force them to make it right. It's not like you can't pirate literally every video game within a year. Forcing customers to use such tools to regain access should be some sort of government action by the attorney generals or FTC IDK.
@denvera1g1
@denvera1g1 6 дней назад
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket it is illegal to download On the subject of VHS tapes, it is not illegal to record a broadcast TV show or movie, its not even illegal to share it this is called time shifting, it is however illegal to mail it to someone, re-broadcast it, or make a profit from the recorded media in any way, weather it be through trading the media itself, or charging admission (this would also be illegal for live broadcast) The re-broadcast and mail portions are the two parts of the court case that would apply to dowload and upload. Now what is not technically illegal, but breaking contract law, is recording something from a cable, satellite, or streaming provider, because as part of your usage agreement there will be a section covering recordings, time shifting, and format shifting, Generally only allowed on authorized devices if at all. Also of note, if you need to break encryption, even for over the air broadcast, that IS illegal and why everyone should lobby hard against ATSC 3.0
@medotaku9360
@medotaku9360 День назад
This is literally what NFTs were invented for. Then these monkey idiots had to completely corrupt the plan. Now we're delayed, possibly forever, from accessing this incredible solution. I hate it.
@JohnL_S17
@JohnL_S17 День назад
Fight fire with fire
@Accursed_Farms
@Accursed_Farms 27 дней назад
Thanks a bunch for the mention! For the record, everything we're doing would cover any DRM that requires internet access also. It wouldn't end DRM in itself, but make it so it would be a legal liability to the company if it needing to dial out made the game unplayable when support ended. The advantage of focusing on international consumer law is the reasons WHY companies make your game stop working don't actually matter much, just that they did it to titles you bought from them. The more attention this gets, this better!
@gkan1042
@gkan1042 26 дней назад
You're doing good work mate. First it's games then this week extend to computer software and who knows where it'll end? Maybe they'll shut down your car or household appliances after 10 years. Your rights don't disappear overnight, they're usually eroded away over time...
@Omenhachi
@Omenhachi 25 дней назад
Respect for what you're doing
@newyorktechworld6492
@newyorktechworld6492 25 дней назад
The Crew Motorfest is currently getting review bombed on steam for requiring an anti consumer always online internet connection 😂 Lol. People are tired of this.
@siralexander3359
@siralexander3359 24 дня назад
hi ross
@unholy7324
@unholy7324 11 дней назад
Well allow me to drive down this rabbit hole
@Citadel_Of_My_Thoughts
@Citadel_Of_My_Thoughts Месяц назад
Piracy is preservation
@LocalAitch
@LocalAitch Месяц назад
Always has been
@rommix0
@rommix0 Месяц назад
@@LocalAitch (picture of that astronaut pointing the gun at the other astronaut. the meme of 2020)
@ryanyoder7573
@ryanyoder7573 Месяц назад
Nope
@rommix0
@rommix0 Месяц назад
@@ryanyoder7573 What do ya mean "Nope?" Would you care to write a more intelligent comment on why?
@i64fanatic
@i64fanatic Месяц назад
Yeah but we can't pirate always online game servers if there's never a leak or any intention of giving the public the files.
@LJW1912
@LJW1912 29 дней назад
"You'll own nothing, and you'll like it" "No, I don't think I will"
@-my4skinwastakeninasickjew426
@-my4skinwastakeninasickjew426 28 дней назад
We are not Goyim. We are humans that deserve respect.
@JS-bf9dw
@JS-bf9dw 28 дней назад
same here, sir, same here
@DonVigaDeFierro
@DonVigaDeFierro 28 дней назад
They just changed it to "You'll own nothing".
@Survivalist-of-war
@Survivalist-of-war 28 дней назад
I hear this term thrown around all the time but do you kniw who said this?
@thestig007
@thestig007 28 дней назад
You beat me to it lol.
@affsteak3530
@affsteak3530 26 дней назад
Only 11% of films from the Silent Era survive intact. They were stored on a physically volatile media and their artistic significance was unknown. A hundred years later, with the advantage of historical hindsight and digital storage, its estimated that only 13% of all videogames are playable without resorting to piracy. This number will only shrink with dying mobile games and games only hosted on official servers. Game. Piracy. Is. Art. Preservation.
@iecasper
@iecasper 25 дней назад
And after industry leaders keep pushing to kill off x86 architecture it will be worse after mainstream desktops becomes ARM.
@last8exile
@last8exile 25 дней назад
@@iecasper But you can run x86 apps and whole OSes on ARM. Apple Silicon (M series) also support that.
@iecasper
@iecasper 25 дней назад
@@last8exile through emulation. And most classic games suck in emulation.
@TheUmbraSol
@TheUmbraSol 25 дней назад
There's even private servers kept up by dedicated fans for some multiplayer games. Games should really be open source after a certain time.
@iecasper
@iecasper 25 дней назад
@@TheUmbraSol maybe a published Game should become public after 20 years.
@ThatOneFriendoneoneseven
@ThatOneFriendoneoneseven 26 дней назад
IMO, every online game that shuts down should take the Club Penguin Island route. Not only did they release an offline mode, they also included a debug mode, that encourages the users to find a way to bring back the game via private servers
@cadjebushey6524
@cadjebushey6524 16 дней назад
Unless the Goddamn company gets fussy and demands the fan project shutdown . 😤
@ThatOneFriendoneoneseven
@ThatOneFriendoneoneseven 15 дней назад
@@cadjebushey6524 OG CPPS dont get shut down as much, and a CPI CPPS never got shut down by disney afaik
@camwha5904
@camwha5904 6 дней назад
Need something like that for webkniz before they shut down too
@ThatOneFriendoneoneseven
@ThatOneFriendoneoneseven 6 дней назад
@@camwha5904 yeah, but its probably a good idea for the community to make their own backups of the games files, because while Club Penguin Island got an offline mode, OG CP wasn’t so lucky and is still around thanks to fan back ups
@scaper12123
@scaper12123 5 дней назад
Won't happen in this corporate age, what with publishers with copyright ownership willing to kill or sit on beloved IPs forever just so we'll be forced to consume the next product.
@SomeMorganSomewhere
@SomeMorganSomewhere Месяц назад
The irony of the "official patches" released by some game studios to bypass DRM is that a lot of them weren't even produced by the studio, they just took cracks from the warez community and slapped an "official" label on it...
@JukoYT
@JukoYT Месяц назад
Like how rockstar did that for manhunt 2, but they tripped their own copy protection, which causes the game to activste a bunch of troll anty piracy mesures. This makes the official still for sale Steam copy unplayable, unless you install a proper crack
@Twiddle_things
@Twiddle_things Месяц назад
​@@JukoYT anty is spelled anti and mesure is spelled measures :] English is hard as hell but I hope this helps!
@tristanraine
@tristanraine Месяц назад
​@@JukoYTit's actually just the first manhunt game, and the crack worked originally, same with Max Payne 3, but they changed it after they were caught, and didn't fix Manhunt after.
@JukoYT
@JukoYT Месяц назад
@@tristanraine oh
@ayyyyph2797
@ayyyyph2797 Месяц назад
​@@tristanrainewoof, perchance is the original bootlegged anti-DRM executable for MP3 still around?
@norielgames4765
@norielgames4765 28 дней назад
Whenever it reaches this point, piracy becomes saving and rescuing.
@rahulshah1408
@rahulshah1408 26 дней назад
It’s not piracy if it is abandoned. Totally agree with you.
@Odinsday
@Odinsday 22 дня назад
If a company goes out of it's way to prevent you playing a game that you PAID FOR with YOUR money, it is your moral obligation to preserve it
@norielgames4765
@norielgames4765 22 дня назад
@@Odinsday this is my case with many games by FX Interactive such as the entire Imperivm Anthology and the Drakensang games. I paid hard money for those games and now their shop and the entire company is out. How can I play my games if it isn't by pirating them? I refuse to just buy them a second time from someone who just happens to have a digital copy.
@allRepublicansarepedos
@allRepublicansarepedos 20 дней назад
The one piece is real. Luffy saved dresssrosa.
@theviniso
@theviniso 17 дней назад
So much of videogame history would be lost already if it weren't for piracy. It's not only justified in many cases, it's also crucial for media preservation.
@jacewarbeck9684
@jacewarbeck9684 27 дней назад
Modern gaming is a sham - but do not lose hope. We have more games behind us than we could play in a hundred lifetimes.
@rps215
@rps215 18 часов назад
In a tech seminar on a local university here in Indonesia, a professor said that there are exabytes worth of entertainment content today that you will not be able to consume them all even if you can stay awake for 100 years non-stop. That was 5 or 6 years ago.
@freshdoug
@freshdoug 27 дней назад
AAA executive: "You're still playing old stuff? You're not playing this brand new thing we just made?"
@fireworkstarter
@fireworkstarter 5 дней назад
You should try making fun games again then i will give it a shot
@pianoman7753
@pianoman7753 2 дня назад
​@@fireworkstarterexactly, Im playing diablo 2 classic, im using my wii u to play virtual console games, AND ive still got all my old hardware, snes to wii. Ps1-ps2, xbox, xbox 360. The last of the genuine greats.
@rps215
@rps215 18 часов назад
That sounds funny but also a serious issue. Another guy made a video on that, forgot who that was, as in why a publisher wants you to stop playing Shooterman 2 and move on to Shooterman 3.
@Space_Reptile
@Space_Reptile Месяц назад
recently i asked on the steam subreddit about how to make games like half life 2 work on a windows XP mashine now that the support has been dropped my post was promtly removed and i was swiftly banned from the subreddit for "promoting piracy" merely for asking if there is a way to make these games work on the hardware that they came out on Edit: please stop telling me about Linux, you are missing the point so hard it hurts my brain
@kevinerbs2778
@kevinerbs2778 Месяц назад
I think G.O.G frequently does this for some games. They usually make them playable on new OS's too.
@olnnn
@olnnn Месяц назад
It is at least doable for HL2 and other source engine games, more of a worry for less popular and newer stuff on steam that may end up getting orphaned without the same workarounds and continued support
@belstar1128
@belstar1128 Месяц назад
its a reddit moment they just assume things about you
@moth.monster
@moth.monster Месяц назад
That's just Reddit moderators
@LagrangePoint0
@LagrangePoint0 Месяц назад
They probably assumed you voted for Trump.
@phunkym8
@phunkym8 Месяц назад
and again the only ones not suffering from all this crap are pirates.
@mjc0961
@mjc0961 Месяц назад
Just like the xkcd comic "Steal This Comic", except replace music with video games.
@i64fanatic
@i64fanatic Месяц назад
I don't think we have any solution for pirating always online stuff like The Crew.
@TheBackyardChemist
@TheBackyardChemist Месяц назад
@@i64fanatic WoW private servers are a thing so technically it would be possible, just not feasible
@Toleich
@Toleich Месяц назад
@@TheBackyardChemist Or desirable. Some games just aren't worth the effort.
@testytesteberger6397
@testytesteberger6397 Месяц назад
You mean intelligent people?
@RiccoStewart
@RiccoStewart 20 дней назад
If buying isn't owning, than piracy isn't stealing
@raynortownly7098
@raynortownly7098 12 дней назад
Omg, how are you everywhere..
@totetoresano
@totetoresano 22 дня назад
Thank God piracy exists.
@TheMisterSpok
@TheMisterSpok 6 дней назад
Har har!
@Capt.Pikles
@Capt.Pikles 3 дня назад
For real… I know I’m getting old when I can actively remember a time when DRM did not exist and games were freely traded between friends. I only wish piracy cost these companies half as much as they claim it does.
@daskampffredchen9242
@daskampffredchen9242 Месяц назад
I think it should be a requirement to make the Server Tools accessible once the official server service gets shut down
@daynester
@daynester Месяц назад
That would satisfy what many of the complaints.
@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments
@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments Месяц назад
Personally I hate the move from player owned servers to matchmaking. Like my friend a few years ago installed Battlefield 1942 and while it didn't have a lot of players or servers you were still able to find a game. Plus with dedicated Servers it was always nice finding one where you had a good connection, with cool people on it, making friends and becoming a regular. The move to matchmaking has just made people more toxic, they don't need to worry about an admin kicking or banning them.
@TRDiscordian
@TRDiscordian Месяц назад
@@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments100%, Ive never liked matchmaking. Loved finding a few servers with good vibes and frequenting them.
@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments
@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments Месяц назад
@@TRDiscordian Yeah. I tried to go back to Team Fortress 2 and it just wasn't the same. I only played on a custom map server that had friendly fire enabled (sounds hectic but it helped improve my aim so much). We also had certain nights where we would all go sniper and have to take a shot if you got a headshot. I miss it, miss finding a cool server and becoming a regular on it.
@mayflowwy
@mayflowwy Месяц назад
@@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments heyyy my dad still plays battlefield 1942 regularly!!
@LocalAitch
@LocalAitch Месяц назад
This is the end result when you let copyright holders dictate how protected works are preserved. I consider it *literal theft* in a way that copyright infringement can never be. It's theft from the eventual public domain that all works are supposed to enter.
@Falsechicken
@Falsechicken Месяц назад
Yeah. I refuse to play by their rules to be able to participate in our own damn culture. Everything is derivative. Everyone's ideas are tacked onto a previous idea someone else had. It's like they are using a ladder made of everyone else's cultural contributions then pull it up behind them.
@piercebros
@piercebros Месяц назад
lmao
@charlieRcarter
@charlieRcarter Месяц назад
Anyone who wants a copyright to commercialize a work that’s based on ideas from the public domain should in my opinion have to pay a licensing fee to the public for as long as they want to keep the privilege.
@massgrave8x
@massgrave8x Месяц назад
@@piercebros riveting and thought-provoking response bro
@supereldinho
@supereldinho Месяц назад
And the most deliciously ironic part? By committing literal theft, as you so adequately put it, these corporations are doing the very thing they accuse the pirates of doing. This is literally scorched earth levels of pettiness.
@CJinMono
@CJinMono 26 дней назад
The issues raised in the video aren't exclusive to games, but software as a whole. I appreciate efforts to raise awareness on these issues.
@2Plus2isChicken2013
@2Plus2isChicken2013 27 дней назад
Another example of this happened to me recently. I bought a copy of Super Smash Bros. for the 3DS only to find out it wouldn't work. From what I read, it seems a system update made it where the game would no longer work on the system. I ended up returning the game to the store. 20-25 years ago we didn't have to worry about consoles and handhelds requiring system updates. All the games just work on those systems.
@trustytrest
@trustytrest 10 дней назад
If you go back far enough to when DOS, Amiga, ZX Spectrum were relevant, it could and still can be a headache to get them to work at all. Modern games at least fixed those issues mostly. But hey, the oldies are all still playable, while it's a dice toss for modern games.
@Bustermachine
@Bustermachine 3 часа назад
@@trustytrest The issue is that today, the problem is invented rather than product of an industry in its infancy.
@persona83
@persona83 28 дней назад
I remember a time when you'd go to an arcade and your favorite game was simply replaced by a new one. Sometimes you'd never see the game again. That was something you had to live with it, until emulation brought them all back from the oblivion. And now we're reliving this nightmare.
@southcoastinventors6583
@southcoastinventors6583 27 дней назад
Only a problem if you don't have a crack
@BologneyT
@BologneyT 27 дней назад
Interesting observation. 🧐 *nods*
@1stCallipostle
@1stCallipostle 27 дней назад
You speak of emulation as though it's some new phenomenon. It's been pretty common for oh say... 20 years now?
@ThePainkiller9995
@ThePainkiller9995 27 дней назад
lmao nightmare chill
@DanceDanceNorth
@DanceDanceNorth 27 дней назад
Arcades are quite fascinating. It's possible to switch between many different game versions on one cabinet. When an entire machine is removed, though, it's often very sad, because that game can't be played there any more.
@Astronomikat
@Astronomikat 29 дней назад
The destruction of ownership of personal media is by design.
@southcoastinventors6583
@southcoastinventors6583 27 дней назад
Can play any game overblown fear, internet keeps everything alive more or less.
@SammEater
@SammEater 27 дней назад
That is why piracy is good. No matter what some middle class american say.
@babykata-dt3ys
@babykata-dt3ys 27 дней назад
​@@southcoastinventors6583 currently. Who knows what will happen if the copyright hoarders get their way.
@borginburkes1819
@borginburkes1819 26 дней назад
@@SammEaterwhat’s funny is that “middle class” Americans will fight tooth and nail to defend their billionaire overlords.
@RootVegetabIe
@RootVegetabIe 13 дней назад
​​@@southcoastinventors6583OK cool go play Overwatch 1. Go play any previous version of "live service" games. I'll wait
@giusepperesponte8077
@giusepperesponte8077 25 дней назад
My lord. I don’t think I’ve ever had such an intense blast of nostalgia as when you showed Sim Theme Park. I haven’t thought about that for at least 20 years. And then you showed Red Faction Guerrilla as well? You have good taste my friend.
@nicholasmolberg1043
@nicholasmolberg1043 27 дней назад
I loved how pausing didn’t take you to a menu, but actually pulled your character into a sanctuary where you could walk around, rearm, and observe your treasury.
@EdwinSteiner
@EdwinSteiner Месяц назад
It would be great if similar to books, where a publisher has to send copies of the book to the Library of Congress, publishers of software had to put a copy of each release without DRM into a public library archive that is opened to the public after, say, 20 or 30 years. That wouldn't be a full solution to digital decay but it would prevent a whole section of history from being effectively deleted.
@daskampffredchen9242
@daskampffredchen9242 Месяц назад
Or force them to release a patch and to release their server software if it is a Multiplayer game
@samsulummasamsulumma6898
@samsulummasamsulumma6898 Месяц назад
I know that piracy is wrong, but piracy is the reason why hundreds of video games have been preserved over the years. Ironic, isn't it?
@LucasCunhaRocha
@LucasCunhaRocha Месяц назад
They should all do what Carmack did with Doom and Quake and release the source code for the engines of games that became "old tech", and also design games that are not dependent on some service from the publisher. You can still play the quake3 multiplayer on the dreamcast to this day because Carmack knew how to futureproof the game.
@EdwinSteiner
@EdwinSteiner Месяц назад
I think we agree on what they *should* do but we cannot expect all publishers to do that. Our legislators need to codify a reasonable minimum of what software publishers *must* do.
@WilliamHostman
@WilliamHostman Месяц назад
Unfortunately, Software is deemed copyright covered, not patent protected, and it's author's life+20 to some minumum years at present in the US, where much of the software is copyrighted. We're now facing the consequences of capitalism + software as copyright. And even if the copyright law changed today, nothing already copyrighted would be affected.
@bruce_just_
@bruce_just_ Месяц назад
“Don’t ask questions. Just consume product and then get excited about next product” Jay Bauman Red Letter Media
@pudznerath6532
@pudznerath6532 28 дней назад
Your entire identity is based on consuming this specific product tho, its just the distribution method is whats in scrutiny.
@bruce_just_
@bruce_just_ 28 дней назад
@@pudznerath6532 the distribution method being scrutinised doesn’t exist in isolation though? Customers *are* still willing to pay, despite the gotchas and fine print details about withdrawal of service in the future. RLM are not wrong in this context.
@Abumustard6364
@Abumustard6364 27 дней назад
@@pudznerath6532 Damn you don't get it
@StereoBucket
@StereoBucket 27 дней назад
My pet peeve surrounding discussions with all the bad things around gaming is the people who plug their ears and repeat "I'm having fun though!" and "let people have fun!". Seen a few of those weird individuals show up to defend blizzard after OW1 was killed off and OW2 was pushed with terrible microtransactions and battlepasses. Like woah alright, go have your short-term fun at the expense of everything and let us talk about how horrible the publishers are. I'll never understand it. I guess maybe they feel as if pushback against shitty practices will somehow ruin their fun, which just makes zero fucking sense.
@blad...
@blad... 24 дня назад
@@StereoBucket Those are the same people who don't care about throwing away money, and these often overlap with people who don't pay for stuff AKA teenagers who live with their parents still.
@TTE720Audi
@TTE720Audi 27 дней назад
Nailed it, man! I agree 100% about the decline of games and how corporate greed has greatly affected the quality of the user experience.
@ericp0012
@ericp0012 7 дней назад
In the grand scheme of things, gaming subscription fees are basically a gaming tax.
@ogre706
@ogre706 29 дней назад
The future of gaming looks dark but the past has never looked brighter. You are exactly right when you mentioned that there is more than a lifetime's worth of classic games we can spend our time on.
@persona83
@persona83 28 дней назад
Exactly my thought. It's like cinema: you can simply stop watching new movies and have a lifetime of enjoyment watching amazing past films, specially 90s ones.
@jaykelley103
@jaykelley103 28 дней назад
​@@persona83just watched Total Recall(1990) the other day. It was a fucking masterpiece. There really is a treasure trove of dope old school stuff
@persona83
@persona83 28 дней назад
@@jaykelley103 Cool! Keep diggin' you'll find really great stuff.
@celeridad6972
@celeridad6972 28 дней назад
I think the same but the golden age to me is 2000-2015 games and movies are just hard to get used to with outdated graphics and visual quality.
@christaylor86
@christaylor86 28 дней назад
Last modern game I played was Elden Ring. Other than that, yeah, it's all been past releases. The future of gaming doesn't interest nor worry me at all.
@superiorone2061
@superiorone2061 Месяц назад
This is why I love buying older PC games on GOG as they remove DRM on majority of titles available & even allows you to download offline installers for the games you purchased through GOG.
@kylespevak6781
@kylespevak6781 29 дней назад
GOG is the GOAT
@superiorone2061
@superiorone2061 28 дней назад
@kylespevak6781 Sometimes, their sales can be even better than the ones Steam has!
@classicpctinker5070
@classicpctinker5070 28 дней назад
GOG is cool but their service only supports modern computers. It's a crapshoot if any updates they may have had to apply to fix things for modern computers don't break it on computers the game was originally targeting. Similarly, this ever shifting support puts the XP/ Vista/ Win7 computers I purchased my early GOG games on in a precarious position. I'm starting to wish I had kept multiple releases of my GOG installers instead of updating them over time. Only the latest installers are available for download. :(
@selfhelp9685
@selfhelp9685 28 дней назад
GOG's business model definitely highlights the full potential of digital ownership. Being able to update your game and put it right back onto external storage. So it doesn't matter much if the game was released in a broken state. The games are truly repairable.
@SolDizZo
@SolDizZo 28 дней назад
I'm not sure if it was my bank or GOG but years ago when I tried GOG the transaction failed when absolutely nothing should have been amiss and I've just never looked back. Is GOG really worth my wallet?
@crintraian
@crintraian 25 дней назад
This video made me sub to your channel, you said the same thinng I told my friends for years, they all were saying "why do you have games on disks when can get them online and why aren't you OK with internet connection requirement because almost everyone has internet".
@reucrion4719
@reucrion4719 27 дней назад
I have photos of me finding a copy of the Sims Online being sold on a physical shelf, unsold, as of 2022. They finally removed it during renovations, or somehow sold it when I returned in 2023. the game died in 2008. I used to shop there all the time as a child for games, as it was the only place in the entire town that sold them there. I saw that copy of the game sitting there from 2005 till 2022, they also had a copy of Zoo Tycoon 2 there until around 2023,
@brnrds
@brnrds Месяц назад
"Breaks social contract, acts indignant when folks go pirate", is indeed the Propellerheads/Reason labs way.
@EpicTyphlosionTV
@EpicTyphlosionTV Месяц назад
"Torture for Windows Live" is a much better name
@JJop123
@JJop123 Месяц назад
GFWL still works fine. Use it all the time for my achievement hunting. The service wasn't that bad, the pc community just likes to complain way too much
@belstar1128
@belstar1128 Месяц назад
windows live more like George Orwell live
@JadeLockpicker
@JadeLockpicker Месяц назад
oh gods. I remember GfWL. Fallout 3 was buggy, true. But finding out a good half of it's performance issues was GfWL's achievement system still makes me sigh and laugh. ANd cry.
@Reploid-dj9jc
@Reploid-dj9jc Месяц назад
@@JJop123 ok , try to play Dirt 2 , try to play Need for speed Pro street or literally in the video Fable 3 . and there are many other games broken cause of it .
@dabigbadwolf5081
@dabigbadwolf5081 Месяц назад
​@@JJop123well, try and play the gfwl version of GTA4 then.
@bitnev
@bitnev 27 дней назад
Great video! Thank you for that! I am greatly appreciate the effort and level of clarity of your speach and arguments.
@countzero1136
@countzero1136 2 дня назад
I want single player, offline games with no DRM and no online activation. Miss out any one of these and it's a deal breaker. I have more than enough old games that still work to entertain me for the rest of my life
@hamoodhabibi8254
@hamoodhabibi8254 Месяц назад
Without piracy, i would literally only have experienced %10 of the games I've ever played either due to scarcity, DRM, or region locking. Ive never understood why people have such moral qualms about pirating games that have not been in circulation for 10+ years, and publishers knowingly remove without giving a us legal way to experience them. Regular people “pirating” games and making them available to the public again have done more for preservation than companies ever can or will. Shout out to magipack games and my abandonware ;)
@Sentralkontrol
@Sentralkontrol Месяц назад
I used to pirate games aggressively as a kid because we were poor. Years later, I’ve gone back and bought copies of games at full retail directly from the developers to make up for it. Piracy isn’t an issue of people wanting to steal, but being unable to obtain the game legitimately
@relo999
@relo999 Месяц назад
@@Sentralkontrol The big issue is that loads of people do want to steal or simply think "yea, I can use my money elsewhere if I get a pirated copy". Quite a lot of games see a noticeable drop in sales when a pirated copy is released, even if it's a poor scene release. And the same happens with pre-orders when leaked copies get leaked, the drop and a notable number are cancelled. I think the thought mistake a lot of "ludophiles" make is that the average consumer is like themselves, most of them aren't. The average consumers buys a shit load of microtransaction stuff, a lot of "ludophiles" don't. Same with piracy, the "ludophiles" often has no issue with purchasing a copy (though even there you get into murky "what ifs" but the average consumer doesn't. And are they buying all games they pirated? Probably not. Piracy was famously a giant issue on the DS for that reason, for the average consumer the options where "buy game for 40" or "buy R4 with SD card for 40 and download a bunch of games". And one option has a significantly higher bang for your buck. Same with music, do you think that every kid with a 500MB MP3 player full of music fresh from Limewire in the mid 2000's bought all the music they regularly listened to? Realistically speaking, unless they became some audiophile, they more than likely never did. (more than likely they just ended up buying a subscription to spotify, at the cost of around 2 songs in the mid 2000's (1 song if you adjust for inflation) a month while in the modern era music piracy is significantly harder for the average consumer)
@Zontar82
@Zontar82 29 дней назад
Craptendo has its ass so strict about playing 30+ years games on emulators that you would need a crowbar to pry open that ass
@Zontar82
@Zontar82 29 дней назад
@@Sentralkontrol i used to do the same, now that i am a grown up and i have a job, i can afford to buy a game once in a while, but if the game in question is only single player and yet requires me to be online all the time, and everything unlockable is already on disc but requires me to pay, then to the high seas it will be
@thelakeman2538
@thelakeman2538 28 дней назад
​@@relo999but the other consideration is whether they'd have bought that piece of software to begin with. I'm sure there are lost sales but assuming every pirate was even a potential sale to begin with is a big assumption, some were and some weren't, estimating potential losses due to piracy is very murky territory. Though as far as lost sales are considered even publishers are only interested in preventing piracy in the launch window and in the weeks or months following it, more or less that financial quarter and at best that financial year, at least that's how companies like denuvo originally marketed themselves (first 100 days or whatever), I doubt removing the copy protection after that would impact their sales that much. It'd be great if there were some studies looking into drm free releases (gog release) and whether it increases piracy vs just having a drm riddled release.
@TzOk
@TzOk Месяц назад
It is not only a problem of computer games, but rather whole computer software.
@computernerd8157
@computernerd8157 28 дней назад
One of the many reason I learned to code.
@MahalGC
@MahalGC 28 дней назад
It's also a problem of principles, "Why offer support for ancient software if I can just retool it later and resell it?"
@BrentRWong242
@BrentRWong242 28 дней назад
@@computernerd8157 I am seriously considering the same.
@BrentRWong242
@BrentRWong242 28 дней назад
Starting to feel a bit like James Halliday ...
@Emelenyt
@Emelenyt 26 дней назад
This is one of the best videos I have seen on this issue. you break it down nicely for those that may not realise just how much of a problem this really is.
@jessedoherty5072
@jessedoherty5072 26 дней назад
Also thank you for talking about this topic so literally and level headed. Most people make it come across like gaming is completely ruined but its just preserving them at this current time thats impossible
@trustytrest
@trustytrest 10 дней назад
It's also revoking access to the games for paying customers. It's like if you put in quarters at an arcade machine then the owner pulls the plug before you can start. Repeat for millions of players.
@drwhothehell
@drwhothehell 28 дней назад
Lost Planet 2 was “de-listed” (page still exists but can’t be purchased) from Steam years ago because of GFWL, and Capcom just outright abandoned it. While it’s still perfectly playable on both Xbox 360 and Xbox One (and probably PlayStation), it’s been unplayable for years on PC. They claim they’ll keep us informed about their investigation about GFWL causing issues, but instead they left us in the dark and abandoned it. Such a shame…
@edstar83
@edstar83 27 дней назад
Scene groups released cracks for that game.
@comradecommissar1945
@comradecommissar1945 27 дней назад
@@edstar83 did any of them ever fix the game not running on 6 and 8 core cpu's?
@ImGonnaFudgeThatFish
@ImGonnaFudgeThatFish 27 дней назад
This is not entirely correct. It is still possible to install and play Lost Planet 2 if you already own it on steam. .. HOWEVER... it is extremely fucky trying to install it and then play it if you're new to this. You have to manage installing GFWL on 2024, then make sure you have less than 9 physical cores active on your PC (yup, disable in bios!) Or it simply won't launch. And then when the game starts, you need to have already created a Microsoft account to sign into the gfwl window because you can't create a gfwl account through the game anymore. THEN you have to wait several minutes for it to update because the progress bar is broken and will not display. Then you have to restart the game 2 or 3 times for the patches to download and install. FINALLY you can get into the game and saving will work, however if your Xbox account has ever changed its username from the original one you've had, you can no longer have working private lobby invites! Fantastic.
@Primus1243
@Primus1243 26 дней назад
I still got it working. There is an actual patch you find in pcgamingwiki, where you just drop in a single file and it works. As for GFWL, Microsoft went about it an interesting way. If you still have the game in your library and run it, it needs the service. However, Microsoft turned the 'DRM' system into more of a peer to peer system. So instead of servers like it did back then and instead of relying on Steam servers or Steamworks, it uses peer to peer connection. So whoever is the host is the server. There are literally guides on how to get set up, using Microsoft's official downloads of the program. Their literal last download of the program is the peer to peer version. They kept a server alive just for authentication reasons, but that's it and they are Microsoft. As long as Windows exist, that server exists. It contains all the GFWL games that needs keys. It would even take repeat keys as I installed Lost Planet 2 many times and used the same key that Steam gave me. So yes, if you bought Lost Planet 2 on steam before they took it off buying it, you are lucky in that regard and I still enjoy playing it and it's nutso story that I have a guilty pleasure enjoying.
@Primus1243
@Primus1243 26 дней назад
Oh, and to set up GFWL, download, run, sign in once, once you are at the 'empty' library page, exit, run game, sign into game with your xbox account or Microsoft account, enter key, authenticate, play.
@emdotrod
@emdotrod Месяц назад
Thank God for cracking scene
@jimiphillips1170
@jimiphillips1170 Месяц назад
a shame we have to resort to that but at least its an option
@emdotrod
@emdotrod Месяц назад
​@@jimiphillips1170it's legally questionable but at least it's preserved
@AJ-po6up
@AJ-po6up Месяц назад
It's only questionable if you didn't pay for the game otherwise I'd say you're totally entitled to hacking your games and making them playable forever on whatever hardware you have. There's no shame in it. If devs and publishers don't care about you or their games then why should you.
@theoriginaltoadnz
@theoriginaltoadnz Месяц назад
@@AJ-po6up Yes agree strongly on this. But what if a game is marketed cheap say $4.99 but is provided as SaaS then are you paying for a lease on the game but never actually own it so don't have the right to crack it for future use when the auth servers don't exist? Is this where it's all headed, so everyone will just play games via login terminal, via a browser?
@piscikeeper673
@piscikeeper673 Месяц назад
The base Sacred game (without Underworld) uses a disk check for drm. The problem is that the drm version won't work on a 64 bit cpu, even though the game runs perfectly fine. Before they went bankrupt, I got approval from Ascaron to post in the forums about using a no-cd crack as a workaround. When Deep Silver took over, they started deleting my posts. Sad since at the time, adding the Underworld expansion solved the 32 bit drm issue and Sacred 2 had already been released.
@unholy7324
@unholy7324 11 дней назад
The algorithm has blessed me with this fine channel this night in May. I shall look forward to watching more
@FantasyNero
@FantasyNero 3 дня назад
People collecting Retro classic consoles and you my guy has collection of Retro PC of generations such of awesomeness and greatness, it's so rare to see someone make these kind of Lovely videos ❤ Thank you so much i hope you have a good day always!
@NoToeLong
@NoToeLong Месяц назад
Another issue are Steam games that only run on older versions of Windows. Since Steam no longer supports older Windows versions, these games (that you can still buy now) are completely unplayable legally.
@yalldrinktea
@yalldrinktea Месяц назад
I hear that compatibility layers on Linux maintain functionality even for some 16-bit applications
@DreamyAbaddon
@DreamyAbaddon Месяц назад
@@yalldrinktea Yeah, cause Linux Proton will preserve even the oldest games. It's the future.
@gogereaver349
@gogereaver349 Месяц назад
@@yalldrinktea the wine 16/32 bit stack can be installed on windows machines to. look up wined3d.
@kaden-sd6vb
@kaden-sd6vb Месяц назад
What are some games like this?
@vicroc4
@vicroc4 Месяц назад
​@@DreamyAbaddonExcept that Proton doesn't work with my setup. Spent hours troubleshooting it and I can't even get games to launch. WINE sometimes works, but God help you if you have a game that wasn't particularly popular, because it's going to be an unplayable mess.
@mr.vidjagamez9896
@mr.vidjagamez9896 Месяц назад
As an active PC player in the 90s and 2000s, I was warning people of this shit as soon as it started being rolled out, but nobody cared back then.
@Flyon86
@Flyon86 Месяц назад
Unfortunately a lot of people that play games only care about newer releases. Once the new shiny thing comes out they completely forget about the stuff that came before.
@jeromethiel4323
@jeromethiel4323 Месяц назад
A lot of people cared, there just wasn't anything you could do about it, except not to buy. And that was never really an option.
@waverazor
@waverazor Месяц назад
They still wouldn't care now, too many people only care about now. And want to just play now, then maybe they'll care about preservation later
@mpalmer22
@mpalmer22 Месяц назад
Maybe wearing the sandwich board with the doom of DRM spelled out, and running up to random people, waving your hands and yelling in their face was not the right way to do it.
@computernerd8157
@computernerd8157 28 дней назад
I did the same but I was told get with the time grandpa. We get the industry that the mass deserve.
@DodgeThisBam
@DodgeThisBam 26 дней назад
OMG. Your credits sequence is GENIUS!
@ForgottenMachines
@ForgottenMachines 23 дня назад
0:19 Shelby, I LOVE how, in this follow-up video, you show the flux layout on the disk itself from HxC, AND how you say "extremely difficult" to duplicate, instead of impossible to duplicate...well said! We will be celebrating (and yes, duplicating!) this very flux layout on future disks thanks to YOUR work here!
@dylanherron3963
@dylanherron3963 29 дней назад
RIP The Chronicles of Riddick. A single player AMAZING action stealth game with DRM servers shut down in 2015.
@CuriousChronicles82275
@CuriousChronicles82275 28 дней назад
Yup I'm still playing it today and assault of dark athena on PC. This is GoG by the way.
@Nomadmandude
@Nomadmandude 27 дней назад
There is a crack. I'm replaying it recently.
@ArtisChronicles
@ArtisChronicles 27 дней назад
Now I wish I had been able to play it. Sounds like my cup of tea
@ArtisChronicles
@ArtisChronicles 27 дней назад
​@@Nomadmandude Good news on that at least
@SammEater
@SammEater 27 дней назад
You can still play it, mate. But you have to sail the seven seas for that, savvy?
@ericburns469
@ericburns469 25 дней назад
So much nostalgia and frustration in one video, excellent work!
@guitarmansg499
@guitarmansg499 27 дней назад
Perfectly said. Thanks for bringing the issue to light
@cellulanus
@cellulanus 28 дней назад
I almost forgot about product keys. I remember losing the product key for some of my games, but fortunately those didn't actually use a central server but rather just had a list of valid keys, so you could just use random keys from the internet. I also had a disk that was damaged and could no longer install, but would still validate the DRM. So I pirated a copy and just didn't download a crack.
@hi-friaudioman
@hi-friaudioman Месяц назад
I agree 110% with everything you said. As a kid growing up in the late 90's/early 00's I've witnessed the sheer amount of greed in the games industry and witnessed the slow decline and death of gaming, but it's even worse, it's also music and movies/TV. Only difference is you can copy music/movies and TV, But without a risky, potentially malicious crack you cannot play or copy your games. And like you said as soon as those games went to online only they were running on borrowed time, with a guaranteed death sentence. Modern gaming is a disgrace. Not only do you lose your games and you don't get a box, manual, disc, etc.. but now games also release completely broken or unfinished with the promise of being better in the future... After you pay more money. That would've been inconceivable in the previous decades! No one would've bought the damn game if it came in a buggy, unfinished state. People would've returned it instantly or sued. In the previous decades buying a game meant you bought a fully-functional, fully playable, fully ownable game, that you could enjoy as long as you lived and it could even outlive you. Now some games are lucky to survive even a year! Insane to think about. We truly live in the generation of "you'll own nothing and you'll be happy" how dystopian and 1984 of us... And the bigger problem is that younger generations born into this can't be F*cked to care because they've been slowly taught to accept this and that it's normal. We don't know how good we had it, but we do know how absolutely warped and greedy the industry has become. It's truly heartbreaking to bear witness to.
@Blackadder75
@Blackadder75 Месяц назад
you are right, except in the 1990s ms-dos and windows games were already buggy at launch very often. I have a bookcase full of old PC and Amiga magazines from those years where the reviewers complain about the unplayable state of tons of games. So you are bit too optimistic here. However, if you bought the game a few months later you would usually get a working version, as the publishers had to update it fast or risk not selling much , from bad reviews, these magazines were the only source of info for most gamers , before the internet
@classicpctinker5070
@classicpctinker5070 28 дней назад
I'm sorry, I can't resist, but... Daggerfall. Good ol' Daggerfraud. True DOS gaming classic. Buggiest game I ever loved. First one I played with mountains of essential patches, and those were not practical to get without internet.
@ichrismoku
@ichrismoku 28 дней назад
Well said man. I've felt this way for at least a decade. I'm literally stuck on 360 / ps3 / old PC games because I plain refuse to shovel my hard earned money into black holes like games as a service such as these. There's just no love from the developers any more, it's pure toxic greed and I'm done with it.
@wumi2419
@wumi2419 28 дней назад
Well, games degrading to online only subscription/microtransaction based service is a logical conclusion of making games for profit, as that is currently the "best" (highest ROI) way to monetize games. Also, I don't know how widespread it was, but you likely heard of a horror from 00s: starforce. Modern DRMs just can't compare, and to be frank, good riddance.
@Olivia-W
@Olivia-W 28 дней назад
Support GOG. All GOG games are DRM free.
@edsonsouzaneto6251
@edsonsouzaneto6251 27 дней назад
Congratulations for the video man! That was really elucidating
@CaseyWilkesmusic
@CaseyWilkesmusic 27 дней назад
That multi power tap just gave me huge nostalgia trip. RIP dad
@jeremiefaucher-goulet3365
@jeremiefaucher-goulet3365 Месяц назад
Agreed. Not only should this be illegal, this should even be criminal. This is theft. This is fraud. And it's disgusting. So happy to see you put light on this issue that has bothered me for quite some time. And it's not just video games. It's software. It's hardware peripherals. It's happening to physical goods too, not just software. WE DON'T OWN ANYTHING ANYMORE, even after straight buying them.
@adrianocs4
@adrianocs4 Месяц назад
They know it is theft, sony is refunding "The crew" whenever asked after ubsoft delisted the game, just to escape the legal backlash that is coming.
@piratebear3126
@piratebear3126 Месяц назад
One of the first RU-vid videos I watched was LGR’s review of Darkspore, a single-player ARPG spin-off of Spore. Since it’s was EA, they structured it like an MMO, so it was never “patched” by fans and I never got to play it because I didn’t have Internet until it was already offline. There’s a reason teenagers are actively moving towards retro games. I do want to shout out Cyan Worlds, the guys who made Myst. They had an MMO-puzzle game called Uru Online in the 2000s, and after they had to take it offline they open sourced the servers and game for anyone to run their own servers. Incredibly cool of a developer to do, and anyone can still spin up an instance and play Uru Online today, along with making new content.
@doltBmB
@doltBmB Месяц назад
the game looked shit but the art style and soundtrack was amazing, would be worth playing again just for that.
@JosephDavies
@JosephDavies Месяц назад
Minor correction: Cyan Worlds has never open-sourced the server (and due to licensing, likely never will). They did open-source the client, but the servers are all written by us fans, and were made by reverse-engineering the protocol before the open-sourced client was even released. Cyan runs an official server themselves, kept running by fan donations, and the client running on that server is now based on the Open Source client with improvements and new content submitted by fans. There are also numerous fan servers as well. It is a great example of a company not letting the game die after their publisher pulled the plug on it.
@user-nd8zh3ir7v
@user-nd8zh3ir7v 27 дней назад
great video, i was so bummed when the quake3 servers went away
@arbitterm
@arbitterm 25 дней назад
Thanks for reminding me how much I loved the big boxes PC games used to come in
@anonanon1604
@anonanon1604 28 дней назад
Pirates: Not stealing Publishers: Blatantly stealing Legal system: Help people who are stealing, threaten people who aren't stealing
@southcoastinventors6583
@southcoastinventors6583 27 дней назад
Depends on the publisher and gaming has never been cheaper so only problem for people who buy playable beta new games.
@RageJ
@RageJ 28 дней назад
It's insane that guild wars released in 2005, with no sub fee's and you can still play that original trilogy on those exact same original accounts.
@Lowlightt
@Lowlightt 27 дней назад
Fuck them. NCsoft closed down city of heroes to get an extra couple of servers for Guildwars 2.
@thenothinguploader
@thenothinguploader 27 дней назад
im still playing that game! i no longer have my old account but bought the trilogy over steam last year and that worked out great
@BigFrakkinOgre
@BigFrakkinOgre 27 дней назад
LF Runner to Droks Good times
@thoronirgros188
@thoronirgros188 27 дней назад
I'm still sad I got my account pirated in 2010. Lots of good memories of GW.
@vaniog29
@vaniog29 26 дней назад
Well... Guild wars 2 is paying for that. If by chance that GW2 dies or GW3 ends up not as successful I'd start worrying.
@EXbobomb
@EXbobomb 26 дней назад
Legally questionable third party tools from sketchy websites are my favourite kind of party tools.
@DavidPereiraLima123
@DavidPereiraLima123 29 дней назад
Having fully set-up ready to go multiple period correct machines on dedicated space is so cool.
@BrentRWong242
@BrentRWong242 28 дней назад
Agreed.
@theTF2sniper
@theTF2sniper 27 дней назад
Pretty sure you would love my retro game room, got pretty much every popular console from 1977-2001 hooked up to a big widescreen CRT, few switches to flick and your ready to play whatever.
@BrentRWong242
@BrentRWong242 22 дня назад
@@theTF2sniper You're right. In the meantime, I will be at a local retro-gamer event on May 5th. Keep preserving the game culture!
@tehpanda64
@tehpanda64 Месяц назад
The most hilarious part of DRM in the 2000s to me? The fact that many steam releases of these games are taken directly from pirates who cracked the originals. DRM is such a hassle that even the original publishers can't be bothered to pay devs to remove it.
@dwip7_7
@dwip7_7 27 дней назад
Rockstar
@medromard
@medromard 27 дней назад
Is that why there's a release of Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 on steam? I still have the disc version but I was so happy to see it on steam I actually paid full price for it.
@GameAW1
@GameAW1 День назад
Shoutout to Capcom for their mobile game Mega Man X Dive which ran on free-to-play and when they eventually shut down, they rereleased it as a separate paid purchase that runs entirely offline. It is the best way to save it? Probably not at all, but its an effort that was made at all and at this point, its more than a lot of others are doing.
@Gael32
@Gael32 27 дней назад
Always Online DRM was called out at its inception. The publishers claiming that "No one is losing access to their games" was a flat out lie and we should never have stopped fighting it. We also shouldn't stop fighting for physical releases of games. Download only games were called out with the release of the PS3 and Xbox360 and were soundly defeated for a time. Now, whole physical game support is being dropped at the retail level.
@wnbagotnext7251
@wnbagotnext7251 15 дней назад
Why not fight for more important things in life? Why just fight for physical video games??? Man y'all weirdos fr
@louiepooh1510
@louiepooh1510 28 дней назад
Switched from Win7 to Linux last summer when Big Steam forced my hand and suddenly discovered built in emulation support for every generation in the packaged software manager. I went from barely being able to run PSX on windows to running PS3 discs in the drive on Linux with the same hardware. Suddenly my online libraries started looking a lot smaller and more restrictive compared to my extensive physical library of dump-able carts and discs.
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L 23 дня назад
Hey, that’s great! I heard not all PC BD drives like PS3 discs so that part is a big bonus.
@vojtechadame5860
@vojtechadame5860 Месяц назад
That's also why I buy games on GOG. No DRM is awesome, I can archive games as I want. Sadly, GOG library doesnJt contain all games.
@blue_pingu
@blue_pingu Месяц назад
I wish gog did something with its offline installers and made them easier to download. Having to download 20 4GB binary files to install cyberpunk is tedious. I think Galaxy can queue them but I use linux and thus have to use solutions not made by cdpr (Lutris allows me to queue and install offline installers)
@user-oj7uc8tw9r
@user-oj7uc8tw9r Месяц назад
GOG still tries to force you thru the launcher system, makes features such as multiplayer unplayable without it, and many of the games in GOGs library are, as the name implies, old games that can already be bought second hand. The offline versions are often stuck at versions that dont have updates to fix bugs either. They should just go back to the way things were. Release the physical game and online patches.
@ChadVulpes
@ChadVulpes 29 дней назад
@@user-oj7uc8tw9r You missed a huge point in the video. Games being physical changes nothing because they can still contain an online DRM. Also, for all its faults, GOG is still the best option we have and is still measurably better for game preservation on PC than any other storefront currently available.
@user-oj7uc8tw9r
@user-oj7uc8tw9r 29 дней назад
@@ChadVulpes I didnt miss a huge point at all. That is pretty much what I said. What is the point of preserving a buggy, unpatched version? Yeah its better, but it suffers from the same problems. Digital storefronts are the problem. Physical actually changes a lot because it prevents publishers from forcing you to buy a game at a certain place and it gives you a fighting chance to revive the game because all the files are on the media in theory.
@DavidPereiraLima123
@DavidPereiraLima123 29 дней назад
@@user-oj7uc8tw9r GOG can't solve the issue for all IPs, some copyright holders are just cancer. Go easy on GOG.
@rosedragon3498
@rosedragon3498 26 дней назад
I can't imagine how hard it would be trying to build a 90s 2000s computer
@ThatGenericPyro
@ThatGenericPyro 9 часов назад
'Tis something I'd love to do myself someday Getting to play Half-Life 1 on authentic hardware from around the right time would be a blast
@PicklesTheOtt
@PicklesTheOtt 2 дня назад
I am so glad I clicked on this video. I still have my Antec Super Lanboy case! It is currently where my home Linux server lives. Though, I did cut the blue LEDs out from the front fan.
@stevenduhaime1484
@stevenduhaime1484 Месяц назад
Tech tangents really living up to the name on this one. You’re right, the way modern games and even games consoles become obsolete because they can’t phone home is crap.
@crestofhonor2349
@crestofhonor2349 Месяц назад
As he said it's been an issue since the 2000s. One game I love, Dirt 2, is impossible to play outside of Piracy just because of Windows For Live
@mystic_scythe
@mystic_scythe 28 дней назад
It should be illegal to define purchasing a game as purchasing a temporary license.
@sevtua
@sevtua 26 дней назад
I signed the UK petition whilst watching this. A few days ago I actually made a list of all my steam 'linux ISOs' with the intention of getting alternate copies. I'll just be keeping them archived on an HDD. It's a shame that the linux iso version of a game tends to have better service, especially single player - which I normally play.
@AttilaMihalyBalazs
@AttilaMihalyBalazs 25 дней назад
Thank you for talking about this very important issue!
@obsoletebutneat
@obsoletebutneat Месяц назад
The gaming version of 'You Will Own Nothing, And Like It.'
@lucasrem
@lucasrem 28 дней назад
All my old EA, Steam and Rockstar games, Bethesda, are in the cloud now, same key ! This guy ?
@TheMsr47gaming
@TheMsr47gaming 27 дней назад
​@@lucasrem😢 I am that you chose to do hard drugs, CAUSE WTF DID YOU EVEN TYPE?
@balsalmalberto8086
@balsalmalberto8086 27 дней назад
@@lucasrem You need to get checked for brain damage
@trivalentclan-mizar9591
@trivalentclan-mizar9591 27 дней назад
One of the DRMs is documented to kill CD/DVD drives, the company denies it of course, but my DVD drive died after playing that game. The problem was attempting to read sector 0, if I remember correctly.
@kraosdadafusfus8034
@kraosdadafusfus8034 27 дней назад
StarForce. There's a damn good reason a lot of people hated those Russian fraudsters.
@sexyguy3647
@sexyguy3647 25 дней назад
Starforce?
@AliciaGuitar
@AliciaGuitar 3 дня назад
What game? Why not name it?
@kraosdadafusfus8034
@kraosdadafusfus8034 3 дня назад
​@@AliciaGuitar The DRM is called StarForce. I dunno what happened to my comment above, but this is the DRM he refers to. It's completely incompatible with modern HDDs and SSDs, as it attempts to block SATA drives from functioning. StarForce's developers were infamous for attempting to force people to use their DRM. They once posted a pirate site link to a GalCiv 2 torrent after Stardock rebuffed them. Among the games that had StarForce were Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, GT Legends, Xpand Rally, and pre-2.0 versions of X3: Reunion.
@kraosdadafusfus8034
@kraosdadafusfus8034 27 дней назад
I can see kids in the 2050s wondering about the big hole of unplayable games that came between the late 2010s and the 2030s. And their parents will tell them about the dark age, which brought ruin to gaming, and eventually a crash that laid low most if not all of the so-called AAA.
@TastyBusiness
@TastyBusiness 27 дней назад
Thank you for adding some fuel to Ross's fire, I hope this collective effort makes a difference in game preservation.
@andrasszabo7386
@andrasszabo7386 Месяц назад
Crack these single player games. That is the ONLY solution. Or find a solution to be able to sue the game companies because they have stolen money from the people buying them.
@gogereaver349
@gogereaver349 Месяц назад
they settle pay everyone 2$ and keep doing it.
@OzzyTheGiant
@OzzyTheGiant 28 дней назад
Sorry but you agreed to the terms upon purchase. Read the fine print! Yes they are sucky terms but law is law. That's not holding up in court
@DreamyAbaddon
@DreamyAbaddon 28 дней назад
@@OzzyTheGiant Laws can change tho.
@KonglomeratYT
@KonglomeratYT 28 дней назад
@@DreamyAbaddon And they should change the law, but hearing someone complain about something they agreed is like hearing a child throw a tantrum. It's hypocritical to both buy a game and agree to these terms, and then throw a fit about the terms. I don't understand how parents failed to correct this behavior at an early age. None of these complainers would ever survive my mother.
@dotgone
@dotgone 28 дней назад
@@KonglomeratYT You should probably keep up with the times. Check out all of the work Louis Rossman does showing how frequently corporations are pushing updates bricking software/hardware if you refuse to accept the new terms. So you buy a product -> use product -> there's an update that says you can't sue them or they can sell all of your data > you say no > you no longer have product. And if you were to buy said product, you wouldn't even be able to see those terms before opening the box and setting things up and installing. You're choosing the wrong hill to well actually people on, the future is looking real bad right now.
@GenericSweetener
@GenericSweetener Месяц назад
I love video games as an experience, but I respect them as a massive collection of human effort. There is something disgusting about taking the distillation of years of peoples lives and tossing it in the bin for the sake of profit
@S4L665-OnelessthantheDevil
@S4L665-OnelessthantheDevil 26 дней назад
Cheers dude. Been worried about this for ages. I understand why they have DRM but my Switch collection is gonna have problems in ten to twenty years time.
@RonnieTreibholz
@RonnieTreibholz 17 дней назад
Dang. Well first...I am a big fan of Ross Scott and Accursed Farms (I remember even watching him when he did Freemans Mind on Machinima) And I am so fucking happy that more people, like you talk about this stuff. Great Video! I mean...yeah the topic is really depressing...but at least there are some good people who try everything to stop them killing games :)
@arjovenzia
@arjovenzia Месяц назад
This one hit pretty hard. As a teenager I was a rampant pirate, spending what little money I had on the hardware. once I had a "Proper Job", I was quite happy to go and get a physical game. the current hotness was GTA IV. I spent a whole afternoon trying to get it working. It was current, all the servers were up, I paid full price, with a physical copy in hand, and I just could not get it to authenticate. I finally gave up, went and found a torrent with a crack, and was into the game in about 30s. Strangely enough, thats about when I gave up on PC gaming. I found the sweet spot to be targeting consoles that were 2-3 generations behind, old enough to be stupidly cheap yet plentiful, but not so far to be 'nostalgic retro' expensive. I lucked out and started collecting Xbox 360 titles about a month before Covid lockdowns hit, the going rate for a game was about $3. during lockdown prices skyrocketed, but I had a big box full by then. I went through more AA batterys then than when a gameboy was my main gaming platform...
@GeneralChangOfDanang
@GeneralChangOfDanang 29 дней назад
That's funny because Rockstar games are what ruined PC gaming for me too. They always seemed flaky and hit and miss if they would even run.
@classicpctinker5070
@classicpctinker5070 28 дней назад
Xbox 360 was truly one of the last great offline friendly consoles. As a long time PC gamer, it's kind of interesting to have one in the collection now. It stole so much AAA developer attention from the PC.
@My_Old_YT_Account
@My_Old_YT_Account 27 дней назад
I gave a hacked PS3 to my cousins around the same time, they absolutely loved it! The only modern games they seem to like are Fortnite and Minecraft, both run on phones now anyway.
@the_kombinator
@the_kombinator Месяц назад
15:40 - I've been living this life since 2000. Three retro PCs, a Genesis and a NES at home. Thousands of hours of entertainment so long as I can keep the hardware going.
@JonasWEBnorge
@JonasWEBnorge Месяц назад
I have never seen a dead NES (seen hundreds, i own 7)😊 they will live longer than us
@jonesy7650
@jonesy7650 28 дней назад
@@JonasWEBnorge They last a long time true, but not forever. Silicon does degrade over time, takes decades, but there will be a day when the last working nes dies, same thing with the game carts. Same with games on CD, you have "disk rot". Over time the disk layers degrade and become un-readable, its already starting to happen to games from the PS1/Sega Saturn era. Of course the upside to that is CD images are easy to make, so old games like that are all over the internet and can be used in emulators or just burned to a new disk to be played again.
@JonasWEBnorge
@JonasWEBnorge 28 дней назад
@@jonesy7650 I actually think that it can be preserved by encapsulating the boards in epoxy. Anyway, it will for shore outlive any online service
@ghfjfghjasdfasdf
@ghfjfghjasdfasdf 28 дней назад
Who cares about the original hardware dying… we have endless preservation with flashcarts coupled with roms and Analogue systems that kick out widescreen perfection for almost all of the major retro systems. They’re working on the N64 atm, and that only leaves the Saturn and the Dreamcast left to be redone. The NES, SNES, Genny, SMS, GBA (all three of ‘em), and the TG 16/PC Engine have been redone. Retro will never die.
@the_kombinator
@the_kombinator 27 дней назад
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf That's not the retro experience - putting in the carts repeatedly, the feel of the original gamepad - what you're promoting is a lightweight alternative, an incomplete substitute to the full experience. You can have your spam and decaf, that's on you, I'll take the bacon and arabica beans.
@praecorloth
@praecorloth 27 дней назад
An amazing rundown of digital restrictions management!
@cmdr_scotty
@cmdr_scotty 14 дней назад
there's also something to be said about games with such obscure DRM code that they ONLY work on the OS it was released for. Scrapland is one notable example, the DRM was so obscure and intricate that it only works on Windows XP, unless you can manage to track down the community patch that removes the DRM check then it will work just fine even on win 11
@zack5623
@zack5623 28 дней назад
well said. Gaming has always been the centermost aspect in my life. I live in a place far from a town in the middle of the mountains and my only internet options are dial-up and satellite. I tried satellite but not once ever got my computer to connect. I don't even get cell service at my house. I've been nearly completely ostracized from my favorite hobby. It takes a lot of time for me to take my desktop somewhere an hour away, to set it back up again, install games that I purchased, and set it back up at my house, only to be unable to play them because I need to connect to a server to boot up. Even after I launched the game where there was internet so it could read the keys, suddenly I can't anymore.
@becker990
@becker990 27 дней назад
I know you probably tried, but Starlink is amazing
@netherworldfiend
@netherworldfiend 26 дней назад
....Was it a struggle to watch this video? Genuine question
@zack5623
@zack5623 26 дней назад
@@netherworldfiend I use my phone to watch RU-vid when I'm in service.
@zack5623
@zack5623 26 дней назад
@@netherworldfiend I use my phone to watch RU-vid when I'm in service.
@user-vm7tw2ro2k
@user-vm7tw2ro2k 22 дня назад
You're living around mountains and you really made gaming the one hobby you have...there's much more you'd be able to do there that doesn't require computers.
@ozmul5810
@ozmul5810 28 дней назад
And old teacher told me once. "The past dies when it isn't no longer recorded, or when the records are lost." he said that in reference to the fact that if the Library of Alaxandra was never burned down. We wouldn't look at the pyramids with such wonder. There will come a time in the future, where gaming will be a Mystery solely due to DRM.
@MrBell-iq3sm
@MrBell-iq3sm 28 дней назад
From what I know, it was never really burned down. There was a fire, but nothing too devastating. Apparently, the Library of Alexandria slowly lost importance, fell apart and gradually disappeared.
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 28 дней назад
No, piracy as usual will save everything. Emulation works too you know, you can emulate old OSs.
@nuffsaid7759
@nuffsaid7759 27 дней назад
​@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat No I don't think so. Most of the scene guys disappeared a few still left but nobody knows if they're going to stay (most things are online only so it's not like the old days)
@zwenkwiel816
@zwenkwiel816 27 дней назад
People in the future: minecraft was made by aliens
@THE16THPHANTOM
@THE16THPHANTOM 26 дней назад
@@nuffsaid7759 i mean, its not like they are the only ones who could do that. as long as there is DRM there will always be geniuses in every generation who live for those kind of challenges. the worst that can happen is current scene guys disappeared take their knowledge with them, but again people who live for those kind of challenges will eventually figure it out again, it just makes the challenge even more interesting for them.
@rotothedragonlord7198
@rotothedragonlord7198 25 дней назад
Thank you for spreading this message!
@fakename3891
@fakename3891 13 дней назад
Sir is that Nox on your shelf. Nobody remembers that game. God I loved that game. I lost so much sleep playing multiplayer on dial up. I had to wait for no phone calls guaranteed.
@priyapepsi
@priyapepsi Месяц назад
This has been happening for years in the mobile game space too. So many old iOS and Android games delisted, or their CDN/auth servers indefinitely shut down with zero recourse.
@Tomander1217
@Tomander1217 28 дней назад
For me this was call of duty zombies RIP
@improvwithlions4173
@improvwithlions4173 27 дней назад
I bought a couple final fantasy games that I can't play anymore on mobile because they were replaced with the pixel remasters. I wouldn't mind playing those instead, but I don't feel like paying for them again for some mysterious reason :/
@Ahayri
@Ahayri 27 дней назад
gameloft and glu games, lots of MMOs, DRM protection for older version of the game etc. what a mess...
@samsulummasamsulumma6898
@samsulummasamsulumma6898 Месяц назад
Additionally to my other comment let me say this: I buy games from GOG because they have no DRM. And I have never, ever shared a copy with someone else. Because I want those people to stay in business and keep their store going.
@the_kombinator
@the_kombinator Месяц назад
Can you run GOG games on original hardware? How do they give you the software? Just a download I guess?
@samsulummasamsulumma6898
@samsulummasamsulumma6898 Месяц назад
You get an .exe installer plus .exe patches if any available. I believe almost everything they sell is win7 or higher, but I suspect many could work on older systems. Not sure though.
@cbygelightbulb
@cbygelightbulb Месяц назад
​@@the_kombinatorit's just a download, but I can confirm that many games from gog can be installed on a newer computer and transferred to an older computer. I don't know if this is every game
@samsulummasamsulumma6898
@samsulummasamsulumma6898 Месяц назад
​@@the_kombinatorIf it's DOS games you have in mind, many can be extracted by using Universal Extractor or something similar. And, more often than not, installing the game on a modern PC and then moving the files over to a Win XP/9x PC will also do the job.
@the_kombinator
@the_kombinator Месяц назад
@@cbygelightbulb Like I'm just wondering if I download Dune 2 or something that required a 386 at launch (286 even?) that it would now need like Windows 7. Are they DOSBOX friendly? If so I recon they'll work on their original hardware.
@GMCLabs
@GMCLabs 27 дней назад
Man, I always got you and accursed farms mixed up. Cool to see you watch him too.
@kieronwilson646
@kieronwilson646 25 дней назад
"You'll own nothing and be Happy!" said the Bond Villain.
@stealthis
@stealthis 22 дня назад
Typo - you'll own nothing and WE'LL (them, not is) be happy
@crescentfresh8001
@crescentfresh8001 29 дней назад
This is exactly why I'm glad that I grew up with DOS/Win9x games... it can be a bit of work making them run sometimes, but they work. Outside of very rare and unique situations, I've not found a 90s PC game that I can't make run today on a modern PC (even if it requires a VM). I feel bad for younger folks who might want to revisit their 00s or later games that they grew up with and find that those games may simply not exist anymore, or are so broken now that they may as well not exist. To me, half of the joy of gaming is revisiting the stuff you played as a kid.
@DayLateGamerWill
@DayLateGamerWill 28 дней назад
This is why *sailing the high seas* is a legitimate countermeasure
@norielgames4765
@norielgames4765 28 дней назад
Yer absolutely right matie
@cheese6929
@cheese6929 27 дней назад
Yarrrrrr ☠
@TheMsr47gaming
@TheMsr47gaming 27 дней назад
Yarrrrrrr fellow scallywags
@kirtose
@kirtose 26 дней назад
im glad someone is starting to point this out. most new games have some aspect of it online and will be unplayable after they stop carrying them.
@rahulvs4052
@rahulvs4052 19 часов назад
Doom 3 Far Cry 2 S.T.A.L.K.E.R Half Life 2 Crysis Unreal Tournament 2003 Colin McRae Rally NFS Underground Best times in life 🙂❤️
@necro_ware
@necro_ware Месяц назад
That's why I buy games only on GOG since more than 10 years, or so. If you don't collect physical games, that's ok not to buy those, but if it is digital, than I want to be able to archive it and play in 20 years. The point is, that those games need to be archived for the case, that GOG shuts down the download services.
@martin_soerensen
@martin_soerensen Месяц назад
I also generally only buy games off GOG and I keep a local copy of all my GOG games. As decent as GOG seems to be, they are not going to stick around forever or new management may decide to mess it up somehow.
@user-oj7uc8tw9r
@user-oj7uc8tw9r Месяц назад
Problem is the archived versions are often not updated versions unless you tie the game to the launcher.
@epiphaner
@epiphaner 28 дней назад
@@user-oj7uc8tw9r that's no different from how it used to be right? Two decades ago you had to download the patches from the site of the publisher. Just like how you can now download the patch files from GOG if you wish to update. No launcher needed.
@epiphaner
@epiphaner 27 дней назад
​@@user-oj7uc8tw9r There are patches available for download on GOG to update any games you install without the launcher. The same as games distributed on physical media are updated through patches you manually download from the website of the publisher. The launcher comes with the bonus of being able to update the games automatically.
@epiphaner
@epiphaner 27 дней назад
@@user-oj7uc8tw9r There are patches available for download on GOG to update any games you install without the launcher. The same as games distributed on physical media are updated through patches you manually download from the website of the publisher. The launcher comes with the bonus of being able to update the games automatically.
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