Always fun to debate these two players but today I mixed it up a little bit and decided to compare Jordan's 98 Season vs LeBron's 20 Season. Hope you enjoy.
I don’t think so. This generation prefers lebron therefore it’ll be lebron vs the next best player. Whether jordan is better than lebron or not. Wilt was probably better than Jordan in his prime... man was a beast 🤷♂️
Not to mention the 90s were pinnacle with respects to 7 centers who dominated. Also defensively there was hand checking, no defensive (3 seconds), trash talking was allowed, and there was no ticky tack fouls. Today you can just walk to the basket. It's a 3 pt contest, and everyone's Super Teams just to win.
Lebron will likely retire 2nd for me. Right now... Jordan, Kareem, Lebron/Magic/Bill (all so close), Larry/Wilt (again too close to split), Kobe, Tim, Shaq/Hakeem
@@bobbyd1632 nice list pero aqui es mia listo... o pero aqui esta mi lista. GOAT1. Michael Jordan G1 BULL1 2. Wilt Chamberlain C1 WARPHIL.A.1 3. Magic Johnson G2 L.A.2 ☆ LAKE1 4. Bill Russell C2 CELT1 5. Lebron James F1 MIACAVL.A.1-3 6. EL CAPITAN California Kareem Abdul Jabbar C3 MILL.A1-4 7. Shaquille O'Neal C4 ORLL.A.MIA1-5-2 8. Hakeem Olajuwon C5 ROCKINTernationalETRontoRaptor #1 9. Tim Duncan C6 ANTonInternational1-2 10. "BIG" "-O" Oscar Robertson KCMil1-2 11. Larry Bird F2 CELT2 12. Kobe "BEAN" Bryant G3 L.A.6 13. Isiah Thomas G4 PISTO1 14. M.D. RuckerPark [NYC] Dr. Julius Erving F3 NYPHIA.B.A.1-2 15. Kevin Durant F4 SEAOKLAWARBROOK1-2 Maybe Bird 10, Kobe 11 and Big O 12... Dr. J could be #10 as well or higher. Maybe Isiah is a lil high but 2 championships from 87-91 (the greatest era of NBA) and a 20-10 resume is elite.
Hahahahah damn thats a good one hahahaha!!! I’ve always imagined Lebrons dunk and flying ( supposedly) style like an old log been cut down by a bunch of fellers, lumberjacks or woodcutters while yelling “ TIMBEEEEEEEERRR!!!“. That’s how I imagine Lebron when he goes up to dunk the ball hahahhah So stiff and rigid, no fluidity at all hahahahahah
@@joreellex I agree, but he is able to execute a lot more force and vertical on his dunks than MJ was able to at the same age. You have to give him that.
@@genustinca5565 LBJ plays in a softer league, people shoots 3 pointers more than playing inside the paint. Also LBJ has an advantage over MJ on modern sports enhancements and nutrition. Heck if MJ plays today, he will be like thanos with all the infinity stones.
@@jordanthedoge535 if lbj played those days.his mission is no other than is to injured Michael and seat at the bench..till the game end.. fouled out record
Lebron James in the East, has never defeated a team as strong as the 1992/1993 Knicks. *The Knicks had 7 guys who were All-stars at one point or another in that roster.* 1992/1993 Knicks: *Patrick Ewing HoF - Top 4 in the MVP vote ( 1993 ), Top 5 in the MVP vote ( 1992 ).* *Xavier McDaniel -1x All-star.* *Anthony Mason - 1x All-star, 1x All-Defensive Team,. 1x Nba Sixth Man, 1x All-Nba Team.* *Charles Oakley - 1x All-star, 2x All-Defensive Team.* *John Staks - 1x All-star 1x All-Defensive Team. 1x Nba Sixth Man.* *Doc Rivers - 1x All-star.* *Mark Jackson - 1x All-star, 1x Nba Assists Leader, 1x ROY.* *Charles Smith.* Everyone was in their Prime.
@@allanhouston6759 hell yea bro, I remember dat team I was afraid they weere going to beat da Bulls, and dont forget da Bulls management never brought Michael Jordan some real help like another allstar in his prime any guy like Pippen and Grant dat later on became allstars I believe is because they became dat from Jordan pushing them to be great
I just listened to a guy talk about LeBron and Jordan. He said what sets them apart is “will”. He said Jordan will put him in a class all by himself. He defied gravity like nobody,his hang time was like no other. Jordan didn’t quit he played both ends offense and defense like no other. Let’s quit comparing the two!!!
Lebron's stats are really impressive for his age. Lebron deserves to be considered one of the best in the league still. But comparing MJ and Lebron at 35 years, MJ was still better. Great vid, covered context more than just numbers
@@ianmason2003 Yes stats are much easier to come by, put Russ Westbrook in the league in the 90's. Still he'd be an all-star imo but there's no way no how he's averaging 11 rebounds a season. Today the bigs don't defend as much, they don't live in the key, strong 4's are thing of the past, and today's game there's 20% more shots therefore 20% more assists and rebounds.
*2007 Cavs faced one team above .500 in East.* Even in Miami his East competition was very weak. *In 2013 For example he beat 0 ( ZERO ), 50-win teams before making Finals.* Lebron feasted in the weak East. In his First season in the West, Lebron didn"t even make the Playoffs.
Bet LeBron faked that injury so he can stop playing the season as he felt he wasn't going to do well in the playoffs. NBA can't afford their main star to get demolished by a younger team in the west. Imagine if they got their asses handed to them by POR/OKC/HOU in the first round.
I loved this video it shows some of younger guys understand and look at facts,but I lay this fact at your feet and m.r. hakeem olajuwon said it best,LeBron James is a great and dominant player but m Michael Jeffery Jordan is a superior player and in my humble opinion LeBron is not even close to what m.j. was as a player,forget about stats chips mvps all that shit throw it out the door, if you have seen what M j has done on the court to what LeBron has done on the court it's apples and rotten oranges guys it just is,m.j was a phenom with that ball and he actually toyed with hall famers ok....toyed with hall of famers....there will never ever bee another bball player like m.j.....NEVER!!
@@davidreis7902 LeBron is much greater at 35 then Jordan was. he also is a much greater all around player Better Rebounder, much better passer than Jordan ever was. And ball headed smug cigar chomper wasn't getting double teamed most of his career either.
@@vernpascal1531 of course LBJ is stronger at this age because of 3 things. 1.> LBJ plays in a SOFTER league 2.> Modern enhancements & nutrition 3.> MJ works harder night in and night out. He busts his ass on both ends of the court. LBJ is a Small Forward of course he will get to rebound more. And the cigar chomper, FYI was not getting double team a lot because it needs 5 guys to limit his scoring. And MJ was never outplayed by any player EVER. Your man got outplayed by a ROLE PLAYER in a whole series. This league is SOFT dude... don't fool yourself into saying this is a tough league... watch the all star games and if you think this league is tough then you either must be in denial or you are stupid. No wonder the dream team's lebron playing for in 2008 was struggling at times and almost lost to Spain too. Jordan wouldn't allow that. The NBA now is getting soft and the whole world is catching up.
@@jordanthedoge535 yeah he also got beaten by an ac unit in a series against the Spurs, he’s good and all, but he’s no mj, that man was the undisputed goat
@@vernpascal1531 Huh? Jordan was clearly better at age 35 carrying a injured team and was more accomplished that season clearly and face a way better team in the ECF and the finals.. Stop it fam
Lebron wasted about a decade total of his athletic prime in one of the most unpromising franchises ever (Cavaliers) to win them ONE champion. If he really wanted to take the easy route he would’ve joined the Spurs, or Warriors in their prime and would’ve been decked out in 7+ rings. Instead he held his own against the warriors in back to back to back etc finals. Lebron for me, Jordan stans need to unfog their nostalgia goggles.
Jordan did what he did against a better team with less help. Scottie had a back that whole playoff run. N let’s not forget the flu. Lebron beat a 5th seed with a top 5 talent. Jordan Easy
@@bruh.2516 What are you implying here? Even in 2016, MJ never had the help that’s LBJ had that series. Kyrie at the time had the most ppg in finals history as a SECOND OPTION, both him and LBJ outscored Warriors best player in Curry. Being down 3-1 then coming back to win isn’t that impressive. Cavs should’ve won in game 4 at home but LBJ didn’t play as well there which put them down 3-1 in the first place, MJ wouldn’t let that shit happen. Don’t forget how Kyrie was also averaging over 30 ppg the last 3 games of that series along with LBJ. Again, MJ never had this type of help in his life.
*Michael Jordan will never lose to old Tim Duncan ( age 38 ) and will not allow a player with an average of 12-ppg. to win the FMVP award.* 2014 Spurs: Tim Duncan ( age 38 ), Manu ( age 36 ), Tony Parker ( age 32 ). *In 2014, Kawhi Leonard ( age 22 ), was not yet a star, only averaged 12-ppg.* Lebron, as always, allowed his opponent to increase his stats. 2014 WCF: *Kawhi Leonard ( age 22 ) =11-ppg FG-42%.* 2014 Nba Finals. *Kawhi Leonard ( age 22 ) =18-ppg FG-61%.* Lebron James is one of the most overrated players in Nba history.
@@allanhouston6759 they was all a great defensive team and was the best in the west but you not wrong but then d Wade suffered injuries and Chris Bosh had Blood clots
@@dezzireactstv4572 You are a typical Lebron fan. *The Warriors wasnt fully healthy in 2016, but yall still count that chip right ? ?* Stop making excuses. *Prime Lebron James lost to a team whose best player was 38-years-old Tim Duncan.*
I mean u can say lebron is the best , but jordan is greatest . Look at the influence jordan do to the game of basketball , he made the sport globalized . That is what lebron can't really match .
@@itzwakk335 2014 Spurs: Tim Duncan ( age 38 ), Manu ( age 36 ), Tony Parker ( age 32 ). *In 2014, Kawhi Leonard ( age 22 ) was not yet a star, only averaged 12-ppg.* Lebron, as always, allowed his opponent to increase his stats. 2014 WCF: *Kawhi Leonard ( age 22 ) =11-ppg FG-41%.* 2014 Nba Finals. *Kawhi Leonard ( age 22 ) =18-ppg FG-61%.* The reason for the defeat of the Miami Heat is their pathetic Defense. *Lebron allowed a player with an average of 12-Points per game to win the FMVP award.* ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XKUCE_5H7Iw.html - Lebron"s Overrated Defense Exposed. D Wade and Chris Bosh were stars in 2014. Lebron cannot make his teammates better. It is a myth.
I love the fact that you brought up the supporting cast that Jordan has in 1998. Pretty much all of them were defective, especially Pippen with back injury. When people tried to diminish what Jordan did or faced in the competition, they always brought up Pistons was old and hurt, therefore Bulls won over them. But if you look at 1998 Bulls, they're old and many of them were offensively defective, yet Jordan still carried the team to win their 6th championship. This is the most remarkable achievement in NBA history.
meanwhile ... somehow 29 year old isaiah thomas was old... 27 year old dumars was old... 29 year old rodman was old (but suddenly wasnt old at 36 with the bulls) laimbeer 33, vinnie johnson 34, agguirre 31 and salley 26.
@@reignmans exactly. Pistons got beat up not because of their age, it’s simple fact that Bulls just got better through training and development. Pistons only won over them by putting those illegal hard fouls. Once their opponent building up their body, they couldn’t win over them and got swept.
So we puttin a 35 yr old James, who averaged 25 a game, lead the league in assists and pulled down 7 boards, on a 62 win team that had the league’s best rebounder in Dennis Rodman, arguably the best all around player in the game in Scottie Pippen(Grant Hill might have sum’m to say about that at the time which is why I said arguably) the 5th best long ball shooter in the game in Kerr, the best Euro in the game in Kukoc and the best coach in Phil Jackson and you got them losing to Pacers in game 7? Wow. It’d be nice if you guys had some transparency when talkin bout James and Jordan. You know, Jordan’s career did not start in 1991. He was in the league 7 yrs prior to that.
MJ accomplished himself as the best all-around player in a short time whereas LBJ did it longer (Longevity?). Google it in GOAT Rankings. At age 35, MJ = 6 rings; LBJ = 4. At NBA, MJ = age 21; LBJ = 18. 6 losses vs. 6 wins?! 🙄🙄
And EVER will. Sorry its all over Lebron. Theres NOTHING U can do to ever come close to Jordan. Period. U may somehow b the best in Nba and someday better than all the other players besides Jordan but u will NEVER b close to the GOAT Michael Jeffrey Jordan
@@chadbuhlthetexasrapper4021 It was over when he lost to the Mavs in 2011. MJ never lost in the finals in 2 three-peats...I'll say it again...MJ....never...lost....in....the....finals......in....two.....three-peats. Put this in perspective....Lebron has lost the same amount of finals that MJ has won....let that sink in.
@@mikehammer1777 you shouldn't say it was over because everyone can make a mistake, everyone can play bad, Michael Jordan wasn't perfect, he also had bad games. Lebron lost by Mavericks in 2011 and that's it, that's the past, nobody can change past, but think about this. Lebron lost 6 times in finals and in those 6 times he played 4 times against Golden State which was definitely without question better team than Cavaliers, Jordan played against Portland and Utah Jazz🤣🤣he never played against players like Curry, Durant, Kawhi... I'm not even Lebron fan, I think for now Jordan is GOAT, but if Lebron ein one more title nobody can make argument against him because Golden State would also destroy Chikago if they played in 90s and think about this, in 2015 Lebron played against Golden State without 2 best teammates Kyrie Irvinfand Kevin Love and what if they were 100% healthy in finals series and what if Durant never joined the Worriors?? Maybe Lebron now would have easily 6 titles or 7, so all those facts are facts against Lebron and if with those facts Lebron still win one more championship, if he will be player with most points in NBA history and if he would be top 3 in assists than nobody can tell that Lebron can't be the GOAT. For now Jordan is better player, but it is fact that his competition wasn't so great like now and it doesn't mean that Lebron can't suprass him.
GOAT debate should look at other future all-time greats that were denied rings under the GOAT competitors reign. For instance from Jordan's first championship in the 90-91 season through the 92-93 season and again upon his official full first season return (17 games do not count when you've been out of the game for 18 months) in 95-96 through 97-98. So in those six seasons of dominance who were the other future all-time greats that were denied rings? Then you take Lebron's first championship in 11-12 (comparing apples to apples, not making the 6-0 case here, though I think that warrants merit, this is based off of their first official chip) through his latest championship in 19-20, during this 9 season reign of LBJ what other future all-time greats have been denied a ring under LBJ's watch? Now, I have many more factors that makes Jordan the nearly untouchable GOAT in my mind (many of which we have all heard 2000 times from analysts, fans, players past and present, and so on), but I think this (though it has been mentioned a few times) should be talked about and looked at more often. I mean seriously, what shows more dominance and GOAT status than a quarter century from now all the greats of your era saying "You know I'd have a ring if it weren't for this one guy that just refused to let anyone else get one" or "Thank God that dude retired or I wouldn't have a ring, he just would not share".
*All-Nba players.* LBJ"s era ( 2003/2018 ): *East - 58* *West -147* LOL. Lebron James feasted in the weak East. In his First season in the West, Lebron didn"t even make the Playoffs.
He was injured dummy and what happened in his second season injury free. That’s right he should of been mvp of the season but he led the lakers to there 17th championship and got finals mvp stop being so blind
@@heatrg1090 he wasn’t supposed to be the MVP this year, giannis deserves it and it wasn’t close. It looked like it was close because of the media supporting lebron. But it really wasn’t. Also, in his second year which was injury free he had AD, a top 5 player in the NBA. But just that AD was BETTER then lebron for half the playoffs. MJ NEVER had a teammate better then him. AD was the reason for success but y’all act like lebron did everything himself. That’s the thing that pisses me off about lebron stans. They act like he didn’t have a top 5 player with him to do most of the work for him.
Shaharyar Khan in finals yes lebron did that is why you take lebron off the team the lakers make the playoffs but are a first/second round exit but if you take ad off and lebron is still on then lakers make the playoffs and at least WCF and probably the finals because lebron affects the team way more than AD
Shaharyar Khan yeah I’m sure it’s amazing what giannis did this year but lebrons stats were just better because of how old he is and how good he is playing at his age that’s why lebron is the best player in the nba
@@heatrg1090 Stop making excuses. The Lakers had a good chance of making to the Playoffs. Lebron returned *( Playoff mode activated )* and lost 13 games, he only managed to win 8 games. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-V8l1s26g9hE.html Lost to Memphis, lost to Indiana without Victor Oladipo, lost to Pelicans without Anthony Davis and then poor Defensive efforts in a majority of those games. *AD saved Lebron"s legacy.*
@@bemineben4358 never. This players aren't players who doesn't know how to play, Kevin Durant and Jordan are for me very close, of course, Jordan is better, but if Durant can't average 50 points in this era with much better shot than Jordan for 3s and also better shot from 2 points and he is definitely u guardable, if he can't average 50 points in this era, than Michael Jordan also wouldn't average 60 or 50 points. Yeah, he maybe he would average over 40 point in his best season bit only in his best season, his average would be same like before. In this era maybe there isn't so much contact between players, but in this era there are many players who can guard Jordan. Kawhi would destroy him in defense, Igudala also, if he was able to guard Lebron who is higher and stronger than Michael Jordan, he would have realistic chance to guard Jordan, Draymond Green is also great defender, definitely this is amazing NBa era. Larry Bird also said, this NBA era is great, you have Klay Thompson who scored 37 points in quarter and he didn't miss anything, you have Harden who is great scorer, the league is in good hands. This players aren't players who don't know anything about basketball, this players are the best players in the world who play basketball, and Jordan would average also 30,1 points in his career, Kevin Durant is also crazy player and killer and I'm gonna tell you, he can beat Michael Jordan one on one many times, 100%. Only player who can destroy Kevin Durant one on one would be Kobe, not other.
I really cannot judge the 2020 championship on its own merits when there was an unprecedented 5 month offseason to rest and recuperate their bodies. Part of winning a championship is the grind along the way
@@jrsmith1998 pippen played hurt, he averaged 15 ppg 41 fg %, had only 8 pts. in the last game, rodman averaged 3 ppg and 8 rbds. Kucok 15 ppg. Ron harper 5 ppg. Kerr 3 ppg Neither rodman or pippen could stop malone who averaged 25 ppg and 10 rebounds Pg.
@@sacredninja6866 doesn’t matter how injured Pippen was. It’s not difficult for 2 wings players the size of Jordan and Pippen to beat 2 little men like Stockton and Hornacek.
Yeah man that season Scottie missed a lot of games. He played some great games. But I look at this perspective, in 98 Scottie may have been the better player over MJ in let's say 3% of all games all season. AD was the better player than Lebron in around 50% of all their games all season.
@@David-xg4ku He was for sure, top 3 defender of the league IMO. Factoring both ends of the floor is why I say AD is as good as Lebron overall. Next year he may be even better
To shut this down in 1998 Jordan gain the highest ratings in NBA history today in 2020 LeBron has gain one of the lowest if not the lowest in NBA history!
The pacers series and the jazz series were hard fought. They were not easy wins. The bulls and jordan worked their asses off that year. Rodman’s antics definitely hurt the team too. This team was struggling. Jordan busted his ass in an insane way that post season. It was intense to watch at the time. We weren’t sure they would pull it off. But they did. Why? Jordan.
I think Michael Jordan was better at 35 than LeBron James at 35 for as all around player playing with a old injured team...But LeBron James was a lil more athletic than Jordan at 35 around the Rim and Dunking the Basketball🏀 and playing with a younger team to take the slack off him... My pic is Michael Jordan all day long the goat 🐐
Excellent bro! Remember Lebron had no fans in the stands either and didn’t have to play on the road which makes it much easier to play w/o any pressure or fans screaming at you! Great video bro
@@xaviervega468 yes but no fans in the stands his a huge advantage to the Better talented teams! There’s less pressure, no one can get in your head, shots become easier, no distractions, no travel or home court advantage, same basket & rims for both teams every game, many more things I can add to this!
@@kylemessineo8542 Exactly. It’s far less pressure playing on a neutral court with no fans than playing in the opponent’s hostile crowds such as Jazz, Celtics, and Kings home courts with fans distracting you with screaming, swearing, and racial slurs.
The fact Jordan is still being brought up in every single argument tells you all you need to know. Lebron still doesn't come close and the next guy up won't either.
yeah like missing the playoffs,1st round outs and even getting beat by Orlando. He has never played a team with multiple hall of famers like the spurs or golden state. Jordan couldnt even ever beat the celtics
@@ultrainstinctgrey9184 The Celtics had 4 HOF'ers on their roster at the time as regular contributors, and they had Bill Walton on his last legs (another HOF'er) on their bench. The first round exits came at a time when the Bulls had no stars and were a floundering organization with drug issues. One of those first round exits came after Jordan broke his foot at the beginning of his second season and missed 64 games, so the Bulls were a low seed and would not have made the playoffs most seasons with a 30-52 record; Jordan came back to average 43 PPG vs. the Celtics in the first round of the playoffs. The Celtics finished the season as the champs with a 67-15 regular season record. The Orlando series: Jordan only played 17 games at the end of the season after coming back from being away from the game for nearly two seasons. Basketball is a team sport, so expecting one person to do it all on his own is asinine.
@@harkiratahluwalia8185 The Jazz were a "boring" team that pick-n-rolled teams to death and played efficient basketball. The stats from the 1997 finals between the Bulls and Jazz were nearly identical; the Bulls had championship experience and that one guy who was a killer.
Good video, I don’t know how LBJ fans think he had a better season than MJ when he basically carried the team in the regular season/playoffs/finals while LBJ had another top 5 player who should’ve been more of an MVP candidate than LBJ himself. One thing you should’ve done is count all of their total stats, then the teams total stats and find the percentage of stats they both had for their teams. It helps bc of a slow pace back then. Like here.... % of teams PTS/TRB/AST/STL/BLK (regular season/playoffs/finals) for both MJ/Pippen in 98 & LBJ/AD in 2020. Finals MJ 26.7% Pippen 18.8% LBJ 27.1% AD 22.0% Playoffs MJ 25.6% Pippen 21.7% LBJ 25.1% AD 23.2% Regular season MJ 22.5% Pippen 9.8% LBJ 21.2% AD 18.5% Also some advanced stats... PER MJ/Pippen 4th/18th LBJ/AD 9th/4th WS/48 MJ/Pippen 3rd/8th LBJ/AD 14th/3rd MJ had less help than LBJ, had he won with another top 5 player who’s great on both ends of the floor after missing the playoffs the previous season, beating an injured 5th seed in the finals we know damn well LBJ fans would’ve gotten after MJ for that.
@@Ibrahim13k Oh word? Where did he post the percentages of the players stats (trb/ast/stl/blk/pts) they accumulated in their respective teams? Just say you hate being reminded how LBJ had more help than MJ and that MJ was literally carrying his team without a top 5 player doing most of the work.
That’s because when playing against a watered down league one great player can get the job done. That didn’t get the job done in the 80s bc there were great teams unlike the 90s. Jordan and Pippen not beating a team with 4 All NBA players 3 All defensive players an DPOY 3MVP winners and 2 of the best shooters in NBA history. Not happening. Jordan is the expansion 👑 for a reason
Why is this a discussion? We compare the two seasons as if 2020 would be worth something putting in a documentary. Jordan’s 98 is better than Lebron 2020. Hell, Jordan’s 89 was better than his 2020 🤦♂️
I’m sorry? Are you a moron? Neither 89 nor 20 lebron were in their primes, but lebron is more experienced at this point than a rookie 80s Jordan, 89 Jordan doesn’t come close 🤦🏽♂️
He can’t do shit to surpass MJ. Unless he gets a time machine and undo every finals loss he had. Undo the times he choked, played below average, passive in clutch situations as well. Go back in time and win with the team you originally had or at least take a trash team from the ground up to the playoffs, and turn them into contenders then champions. He has yet to do that. Say no to the superteams he formed and win with what he had. He’s a top 10 player, but he’s nowhere near MJ or is he getting close to him. Kids today don’t understand how great MJ was back then. They let the pro LBJ media dictate what they think about MJ.
@10kdxfault 2017 ECF: 5"8 Isiah Thomas was the best player of the Bocton Celtics. But even he was injured. 2013 ECF: *In 2013, Paul George ( age 22 ) was not yet a superstar, only averaged 17-ppg, on 42%.* Still needed 7 games to beat the Pacers. 2018 ECF: Rookie Jason Tatum ( age 19 ), Al Horford and Jalen Brown ( age 21 ). Still needed 7 games to beat the Celtics. 2012 ECF: Post-injuries Kevin Garnett ( age 36 ), Ray Allen ( age 36 ), Paul Pierce ( age 34 ), Rondo. Still needed 7 games to beat the Celtics. *Even Andre Iguodala was able to win 3 games against the Celtics in the 2012 ECFR.* And he didn"t have a teammate like D Wade. *If Michael Jordan in the East, played against such weak teams, he would play in the Nba Finals every year.* *2007 Cavs faced one team above .500 in East.* Lebron feasted in the weak East.
@10kdxfault The 07 series was winnable, he averaged 22 ppg on 35% shooting, way below his averages. They lost that series by a combined 22 points....two games at home they lost by 3 & 1. Had LBJ played above or his season average that year (27 ppg) they win. Same thing in 2011, they lost two games by a combined 5 points. He went 0-7 in clutch situations, had he shot better there and averaged more than 17 ppg, they win. 2015 he had an opportunity to go up 3-1 at home but failed to do so, he only scored 20 points on 32% shooting. Mozgov had more than him. They win game 4 and I don’t see Cavs losing 3 more times. 2018, although he had only one all star, he still didn’t come up clutch at times. He also got outscored by KD, even the year before in 2017. Which I think it was an even playing field. There he was outscored by KD in the second halves and the 4th. He was apart of those losses, can’t just chalk it down to his teammates or injuries, especially when others don’t get the same treatment. There’s nothing he can do to surpass MJ. Him having AD hurts him even more now, at no point was MJ the second option some times.
@@allanhouston6759 Exactly, I don’t understand how LBJ fans can say “well injures” as to why LBJ lost but then gloss over his opponents he beat who dealt with injures. Just recently he beat Miami who missed their best scorer in Dragic for the majority, half for Bam. Then in 2018 both Kyrie/Hayward were hurt. GS in 2016 with Curry/Bogut/Iggy.
I think when it’s all said and done LeBron will surpass Kareem in no time. He can definitely surpass him in career points. nobodytouchesjordan.blogspot.com/2015/01/section-17-jordan-and-hakeem-vs-kareem.html
One thing Lebron won’t admit is how weak the Miami Heat was, could someone tell me ,what were they seeded in their conference and the overall nba,I’ll wait
Goran Dragic was injured and missed 4 games. Bam Adebao was injured and missed 2 games. Rookie Tyler Herro ( age 20 ). Still needed 6 games to beat the Miami Heat.
Yo look real spill tho, They weren't weak they peaked at the right time. Had they been Healthy i don't think LA really woulda wanted that smoke. Not against the way they dominated the way they did prior to getting injured. LA whether those fans wanna admit or not played the majority of teams that were not 100%.. I don't wanna reach bit it smells like Rotten Mickey Mouse ears ya dig? anyway all in all I think the series would have been different with a healthy and hungry miami team in that rhythm.. Also considering a couple games were close while the heat were not 100%
You are just dumb if you call it a Mickey Mouse ring. Like you people that disrespect lebron were like lebron ain’t making the playoffs. He makes the playoffs then you say oh lebron won’t beat the Trail Blazers they are an amazing 8th seed. He wins in 5 games. Then you guys say oh the rockets small ball lineup will beat the lakers. The lakers win in 5. Then when it comes nuggets vs lakers you say lebron you better watch out for the nuggets and lebron beats the nuggets in 5. I’m sorry lebron doesn’t choke a 3-1 lead like kawhi Leonard and lebron doesn’t go 6-22 in game 7 like kawhi Leonard. And also it’s funny how you say oh lakers had an easy finals series because they beat the heat. If it was so easy why did you say oh the heat are lowkey underrated or the heat beat the bucks, and other contending teams in the East. Lebron and you guys better watch out like come on bro this is just getting ridiculous like the disrespect and just plain dumb iq you guys be having. Btw I don’t even think lebron is the goat at the moment cause he needs 2 more rings and pass Kareem all time points and then he will get it. Also just saying MJ could never win a series against the 2007 spurs with that Cavs roster nor all of the other finals lebron had no help. The only finals that I keep against lebron are the 2011 and 2014 but those are his baddest finals he has performed and after the terrible 2011 finals lebron dominated since then and he is still doing it. So I would like to conclude that lebron will lead the lakers again to back to back chips and will prove haters wrong again in the west.
Although Lebron is a transcendent athlete with longevity. Jordan was a superior player. And a few handful of others are as well I would say are better Basketball players than Lebron James.
Well done! Especially summarizing things about both eras. Even the rules made it tougher to score as travels and carrying the ball was a big no, no. I found it funny that even in two of the videos you showed near the end you can see James taking three steps to the basket which would of been called right away in the 90s where today is a well how can we say look the other way situation. Also, as you said there are 0 rim protectors and I mean 0. Big men cannot camp in the defensive end anymore.
Also take into account the fatigue factor and having to actually play road games. An old Bulls team, coming off of 5 Finals wins and completing a 2nd three-peat. Michael literally having to carry them offensively, playing in Utah of all places where the altitude factors in. I could argue covid was a blessing in disguise (from just a sports standpoint obviously) for Bron & co given they got time to rest and prepare. Denver almost got em, Miami was competitive so I truly think under normal conditions, one of them would've upset the Lakers. When putting everything in proper context, it's MJ without question.
Jordan the GOAT all the way... MJ stick to his team until 2nd retirement bringing 2x 3peat unlike fckn Lebron, already 3 franchises cant even do 3x consecutive championship...
MJ carried an old Bulls squad and an injured Pippen to the title against the two-time WCF champion Utah Jazz. With two first ballad HoFers in Malone & Stockton and a HoF coach in Jerry Sloan. LeBron beat a fifth seed whose second and third best players (Dragic & Adebayo) missed around two-three games due to injury. And LeBron played alongside a top five player in Anthony Davis. Oh and it was in a Mickey Mouse bubble. No fans. No pressure. Pretty much just AAU ball. This isnt even a fucking conversation.
Jordan, easy. He was clearly the best player in the league and had a clutch final sequence to the championship that Lebron's never had. No one now knows just how much Jordan carried those teams. In that final game, Jordan scored 45, including that sequence, and no one but Tony Kukoc had 8 points on the Bulls. Back then, you had less 3's and pace. It's the equivalent of someone today scoring 60 points (half of 120) and crushing it in the clutch to win the title, while the rest of the team could barely score 13. It's hard to imagine. Another thing people don't know- The Bulls could have easily won the chamionship in 1990, but aside from Jordan, who averaged over 30, the rest of the team shot around .150 from the field (look this up). It's the worst a supporting cast has ever shot. If they even shot .300, they would have won that game 7 handily.... and the Blazers were always a bad matchup for the reason of Clyde/Jordan. People also forget that before Paxson's game winner in 1993, Jordan carried that series, and in that 4th quarter scored all of the Bulls' 12 points prior to Paxson's shot, because no one could hit a shot. If Russell Westbrook can AVERAGE 30, 10 and 10 when a player in the 80s-90s who led the league in triple doubles typically had 4 for the entire season (often Magic or Kidd), just imagine what Jordan would do today.
Yep...and didn't say a word about it, Lebron gets shellacked by the Warriors, comes strolling out with a fake cast, stating that he "broke his hand" and that...... that right there, is one of the reasons why real hoopers, not the casuals, can't stand his self-righteous, pretentiousness.
One thing that is almost never brought up (on top of his All-NBA 1st team selection, All-Defensive 1st team selection and scoring title) is the fact that Jordan won all 3 MVPs in '98 (regular season, all-star game, finals). When you're talking about a 35 year-old during the 3rd year of 3-peat, it's absolutely ridiculous!
First of all, NBA back then was totally different. Two are incomparable period. It's like comparing each best player from NBA to Euroleague in current era. They don't compare period. Secondly, people who absurdly bring up and make comparison betweeb LeBron and MJ are 99 percent who have only seen LeBron play and not MJ for they weren't even born then. Experts or people who have actually played basketball on serious level and have had chance to see both in person do not even have such thought come across their minds that LeBron could be compared to MJ. Lol that's a fact! Why is NBA less popular today? Same reason People rather wanna watch UEFA champions league Finals than little league soccer games. I guess people have to be easy on these inexperienced clueless noobs who never had a chance to watch NBA when MJ was playing.
By default, how would a COVID season be as impressive as an entire season to begin with? What was your toilet paper shopping experience in 2020 compared to 98?
I'm not even going to watch the video. I'm just going to say that MJ still has the best season any 35 year old can have. DON'T FORGET THAT 98 BULLS TEAM WAS OLD AF AND WITH LOT OF OFF THE COURT DRAMA. LeBron has a prime AD (who is arguably the true finals MVP as LBJ was a liability on defense).
