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Yeah I much prefer the term Bestial Black Metal. War Metal always attracts outsiders who think we're referring to the likes of Bolt Thrower and Sabaton
@@heckicusdoomicuswizardus1382 Nothing. In fact, they have a few albums I like quite a bit. It's peoples misunderstanding of music genres I have a problems with.
@Mafwi I prefer the term "Bestial War Metal" takes the two coolest parts of both names and squashes em together into a nice kvlt sandwich that gives you the power to workout.
I never really thought about it but when you said, "It ain't no sin for a band to be derivate early in their career." That resonated with me and made me realize that perhaps it's okay for me to publish my own work despite it sounding like demo material. I just find it hard to discover and create my own sound.
The modern composer W.A. Mathieu has talked about originality as basically being a shameless theft of anything and everything you like. He said true originality comes from the sense of apprenticeship and the tradition of taking others torches and running with them. No one makes anything without being inspired by someone else's work, which is another reason you shouldn't worry about being derivative, whoever your inspired by had derived their content from or was inspired by someone else's work. And no true artist would think "hey, this artist is stealing my style" as oppose to "hey, this artist is inspired by me. Cool."
Holcausto, Vulcano and other Brazilian bands of the like are IMO influential to war metal but also just first wave black metal/black-thrash, but the fact that he forgot Order From Chaos and Sadistik Exekution are CRIMINAL. Those 2 bands were IMO every bit as important to the birth of war metal as Blasphemy, and you could argue that either Sadistik Exekution or Order From Chaos might have been the first war metal bands rather than Blasphemy, or at least around the same time.
@@jameybazes9027 I was just listening to Sad Ex the other day this is totally true. Sad Ex, Blasfemia, Parabellum, Reincarnacion, Insulter, THE MIGHTY VULCANO oh yes
I really want to see a sequel to magnificent clown where he battles his way through the 9 layers of hell until he reaches god again for another confrontation
According to a few interviews with some of the originators of of "war metal", one with Impurath of Black Witchery in particular, he really never acknowledged that label and never used it, same with Forster of blasphemy/conqueror/death worship, who said "this was black metal to us" and then went on to say he was "ok" with the terms "war metal" and "bestial black metal" if it meant seperating them from what many recognize as the "standard" black metal. - One thing I think doesn't get mentioned enough with these 2 categories, is that they are the broadest dissections of black metal, because even with "Traditional" black metal, that has much of its origins in Scandinavia/Europe (which I started out with as a youngster, but am I fan of both categories), I could even dissect the "Traditional" Scandinavian/European Black Metal into 2 major categories. 1.) Orthodox Black Metal. Soundwise, its basically European Black Metal that cut out any "pagan snow-viking crying in the snow" elements that so many have (and many times falsely or excessively) associated with Scandinavian/European black metal by default, and preserved the essentials of the sound, being more in the "School of Mayhem", which typically involves the guitar style/chords (I don't know the name of it, if there even is one) that Euronymous and Blackthorne had pioneered in the Scandinavian/European scene, which involved using all strings or at least 5 out of 6 strings, to produce this dark and baroque sound, almost like a dark Wagner piece, but on guitar. A good example is the very beginning of Mayhem's "Cursed In Eternity." It's one of my favorite things about "standard" black metal (and within that, "orthodox" black metal). Most of my favorite "standard" black metal bands use this technique at least some of the time in their music. Ondskapt, Dissection (less often, but still used), Watain (I know people bash these guys, but I'm stuck in the past from their 'Casus Luciferi' album, that was the Watain I knew), and the list goes on. - Another thing with "Orthodox Black Metal" is ideology, having all or most of the concept involving theistic/traditional Satanism or sometimes called "Orthodox Satanism" which has the potential and window to produce more ideologies within itself that many would find extreme. - The other broad category of "standard" or Scandinavian/European black metal would pretty much be the typical and vanilla "standard" Black Metal or it could be thought of as "General Scandinavian/European Black Metal" that is the most exposed and accessible to outsiders, and is likely what caused most memes on the internet about black metal. I think of the band Immortal when thinking of this type. Also, I noticed as far as ideology goes, with this branch of Scandinavian/European Black Metal, it is usually common (but not guaranteed) of the following: A.) Satanism as a belief is either non-existent or just purely symbolism (AKA a gimmick), B.) Has some kind ideology or praise of paganism and/or vikings, or C.) Both A.) & B.) - War Metal/Bestial Black Metal: The hardest and most complicated thing about it, is categorizing it. Is it just a different scene or school of Black Metal before the Scandinavian/European black metal got the lime light and were crowned the standard Black Metal? Is it just a (yet another category) sub-genre of Black Metal? Is it a hybrid of two or more metal sub-genres (although, all genres have roots in or from other genres), or is it just blurred lines from way back when black and death metal had just sprouted from thrash metal not too much earlier and both had just barely become distinguishable from thrash, let alone each other? If you said yes to any of those, you wouldn't be wrong. As for the ideology and concept/themes behind war metal or "bestial black metal", Satanism is definitely there, but it's choice of conduct seems to be less preaching, more action, and not so caught up in the behind-the-scene why's of their beliefs, but more so the action the beliefs lead them to. Reminds me of Black Witchery's most famous interview that clearly shot in the mid-late 90's, where Impurath states something along the lines of bands being too caught up in their preaching, which, according to him "is usually ass-backwards anyway." - Then in a more recent interview he said they (black witchery) "are not musicians, but vessels" to chanel hate and evil, that's arguably the most extreme thing I'm aware of coming from Impurath's words. - And finally, somewhat of a fusion of "Traditional" Scandinavian/European Black Metal and War/Bestial Black Metal? Who am I talking about? Beherit & Archgoat, but especially Beherit. Starting with Beherit, fans of both schools of black metal equally respect and acknowledge Beherit. While it is fair to say Beherit lean more on the "War/Bestial Black Metal" school of Black Metal, this is the number one band I think of being able to walk the line between both schools of Black Metal almost seamlessly both in terms of acknowledgement/reputation among both schools of black metal, and their musical style (I'm thinking strictly their 1 and only full-length before they disbanded 'Drawing Down The Moon') incorporating or retaining to some degree "Traditional" Scandinavian/European Black Metal. However, if I had to toss them in one school of Black Metal over another, it would be the "War/Bestial Black Metal" school, although it could be understood why one would be at least a little bit uncertain on which category to put them in. This is just one of many reasons why Beherit was always unique and stood out. Everything I said about Beherit applies to Archgoat, but to a lesser extent, their foot is a bit more established in the door of "War/Bestial Black Metal" school, but still noteworthy as being at least somewhat able to walk the line of both schools of Black Metal, doing shows with both schools of black metal, and having fans/high status/acknowledgement in both schools of Black Metal.
Excellent! How about the New Wave of Traditional Heavy/Power/Speed Metal. All new stuff, Riot City, Eternal Champion, Angel Sword, Stäkler, Ranger, Baphomets Blood.
If Sodom continued with In the Sign of Evil sound it would be, as you say, a continuation of FWBM but had they continued like Obsessed by Cruelty it would've went in a more "war" direction instead of generic sludge puddle.
It's a history of antifa threatening venues because they realized if they threaten the actual fans of nsbm then they will very much wind up dead. That's not even a joke or an over-exaggeration there is an actual body count.
Should have been a rock star ...but he didn't have the money for a guitar/ Should have been a politician...but he never had a proper education/ Should have been a father...but he never even made it to his twenties/ What a waste, Army Dreamers! ~ Again, love that Kate Bush gets a look-in. "Breathing" is about nuclear war, from the perspective of a soon-to-die foetus. Sound pretty metal to me.
**ABRUPT GRAPHIC DECOMPOSING CORPSE PHOTO WARNING** just wanted to get that out there for those who are sensitive to that kind of imagery. There's also graphic sexual artwork.
Hmm, I never heard of War Metal, but I do own the Drawing Down The Moon Beherit album. Thanks JL America sampler cassette which got nearly eaten in my first car. Looks like I missed out on the black white and red theme, though. :(
The description you give sounds more like a type of blackened death metal, like Behemoth or something. Also, saying War = Death vs. Bestial = Black -> same thing is how I feel about some subgenres having seemingly different styles. Sludge metal, for example, is considered a type of doom, which is slow, but many of the bands have either faster playing styles or sound like hardcore with more distortion without being slower. Then you got metalcore bands where they can be more metal (Trivium) or more [hard]core (Hatebreed). I like the "science experiment" fun of subgenres, but also understand people's frustration with it overall, as it's like giving a name to every nook-n-cranny of a difference between bands. People want to say "Just call it all metal" or "Metal is metal." But lets be honest, some styles are too specifically structured than others that you kinda can't do that, as well as the subcultures themselves.
Considering how War Metal goes out of its way to be grim and antisocial, this is a surprisingly tongue-in-cheek, as well as TOTALLY FUCKING HILARIOUS video!!!
I love watching these, guessing at the beginning which bands, (that I am familiar with,) could be part of the sub genre, and then finding out how wrong I was. In this case, when I read "War Metal," I immediately thought it must be about Bathory and/or Bolt Thrower. LOL, not even close.
If anyone reading this likes war metal, listen to Tetragrammacide. Shit is like terrorist metal. Also: Nyogthaeblisz just released a new album, shit slaps.
Nice video but you ramble a little too much, like that whole story leading to Blasphemy’s ‘Blood upon the Altar,’ was kinda unnecessary. Also I’m kinda pissed someone is making these kinds of videos explaining shit, I found all this shit out on my own, by listening to the music and interacting with other Metalheads, now others have it too easy thanks to you. 😜
that Revenge album that came out like 2012? or something? weirdest riffs, like bad green day riffs but sound amazing Do a Aussie metal. Fuk, Destroyer 666 , Portal , astriaal and the mighty Duster
I'm not really a metal guy, but I sure wish someone would do videos like this about my favorite genre, progressive rock. Any chance you might do "A Bastardized History of Prog Metal" sometime?
Ill be honest, war metal, black metal, etc are awesome. Not because of the music, but because of the lore and insanity of the people behind most of the music
Is someone doing construction nearby? Half the time I could hear a truck's reversal beep. Perhaps they're bringing in hundreds of coffins for Goniloc to hang out in.
Maybe I'm a square and am missing something in the video, but James Read did vocals for Conqueror whole Ryan Forster played guitar and bass. Ryan Forster then went on to create Death Worship, and had J. Read play drums for the recording process.
Probably the reason why it's called war metal Is it because music nerds (including me) fight what genre it really is so we just call it war metal if we can't guess it There's no definitive answer, just another Multigenre
