Are you looking forward to FS25? What do YOU want from a farming simulator? Please note: Cattle and Crops is a DEAD game. The website doesn't even work anymore. Inexplicably it's still for sale on Steam. store.steampow...
I still mourn this game. I have a couple really good mods for it still. They went might far with the fertilizer aspect of it though ( nerds being nerds ) but the game overall was great. I loved the radial menu you can use to activate/deactivate/change every single function of the tractor and the various implements. It's so much better than keybinds for everything and its much simpler. Loved the ground physics, the dynamic ground, the fact that the more you drive on it the more it gets compacted. Really realistic. Also, depending on the compaction of the soil you have to use different implements when you do tillage to get it ready for sowing. If you mowed your grass and got rained on, you had to dry it out and you actually had to turn it over with a tedder not only for the sake of it, but the hay on the ground had a bottom, a middle and a top moisture layer and the top might have been completely dry but the bottom layer was still over 60% so you HAD TO turn it over to allow it to dry. Really smart way of doing it and it worked so well. Also, it never hurts if a game has a competition and by god Farmsim really needs one. I don't even understand how nobody even working on one right now. I was really happy when this game came surfaced especially when I saw their roadmap and what they were planning to implement and what they had already. Like I said, I still mourn this game. So much potential.
I did not know this game existed it looks like what I want out of FS22 . Also it is nice that you can adjust the mirrors without the need of a mod . I personally find to many sims go down the more arcady route instead of simulating
It would be awesome if someone could buy this game company out and redevelop it into something amazing. Given all the reviews and such from what I've seen, it could easily be fixed up into a nice game and easily compete with Giants FS!
I think you were right, not enough people wanted a simulation. They made the bet that there were more of us out there and were wrong. I don't think it was just lack of knowledge about the game.
TL; DR: Add more simple OPTIONS for simulation via presets w/ custom setting available, improve control scheme, more logical progression for equipment, improve AI... There was so much I was hoping FS22 would be, it was far from what I was expecting, but I do enjoy it in its own right. I don't have a Certified Crop Advisors certificate, but I have passed the state and international exams, earned pesticide applicators licenses in two states, and other certifications for nitrogen, manure, etc, so I believe myself qualified to speak on these things. I have modded my game quite significantly, although nothing too out there, just modhub stuff. What and how I would improve FS22: -Used, old equipment - less efficient, less options, typically smaller sizes, auctions or private sales, obviously much cheaper -Telehandler or skidsteer owned by the store and tied to the area for loading, or have equipment delivered to your place for a fee. -More sensible and progressive upgrade paths, forage harvesters are very expensive with little in the way of upgrade paths, combine harvesters are kind of a mess, tractors are pretty okay. -Claas 8900 has no 40ft/12m corn head, why? 8600 at work has a 40ft header, works just fine. -Fertilizer system, especially with Precision Farming, could be much better. Loam/sandy loam soils should take less fertilizer to grow the same amount of crop due to organic matter and better nutrient cycling capacity. -Min-max folks would like being about to significantly reduce seed and fertilizer use on poorer soils for a relatively small yield hit(Ex. -20% inputs, -10% yield/revenue, +10% profit) -Different herbicide for broadleaf and grass weeds, special herbicide needed for grass weed in grass crop(corn, oats, sorghum, etc) which costs more -No ability to buy small quantity of herbicide, seed. Single bags are quite commonly used IRL alongside bulk totes. -No info displayed in game regarding seeds/ha or fertilizer/lime needed(The numbers Mason, THE NUMBERS), it could even calculate it all for you, you just need to input the field and crop and it tells you how many liters you need of each. -I don't even know how I would fix the controls, that is such a spaghetti cluster, but it does not feel nice to use. -No realistic weather options - drought, saturated soils, wind. What I found realistic/or just dang cool: -PF DLC adds a lot that I enjoy, and Conservative Agriculture by Farmsim Tim take it up another notch in the sustainable ag department(sustainable meaning able to farm next year) -Real time crop sensor(using NDRE>NDVI I assume) measuring how "green" a plant is and the approx nitrogen content, paying for a satellite image would have been cool too. -Direct, or no-till/minimum till seeders(aka seed drills) and planters, very glad to see that in game. -Real-time weed sensing and spot spray, more options should have been available for sprayers right off the bat, but still great to see. -Option for required plowing, stones, etc is a nice QOL -Split application for nitrogen is nice to see, although I doubt Giants added it because it is better environmentally and more efficient for the crop. I believe the best games, movies, TV shows, whatever, are tailored toward a specific audience and do it well. FS just misses the mark with that. Giants could make the game much more enjoyable while adding minimal complexity. Improve the control scheme, add some metrics for what is needed for a field, and include more OPTIONS for realism. I was bored and I don't have anyone to talk to about farming, thanks for reading.
You would have to convince all these millions that they don't need a nuclear powered PC to play a game that looks like from 2012, and has underdeveloped and poor mechanics, neither to pay 40€ for it. I think people just love being scammed for some reason.
I personally loved Agricultural Simulator 2011/2012/2013, it was way ahead of Farming Simulator in terms of graphics for its time, but did have lots of bugs. This game had a similar fate, I remember seeing the Modhoster campaign for it. Just would want to see where both of these games would be if they weren't abandoned, K believe Farming Simulator also has a lot of potential to be a very realistic Simulator, but due to prublic demand, they can't conplexify much, otherwise player count will drop.
Such a shame the game failed. I remember all the hype, when it was being developed. This is what a true farming simulator should be, actually managing the farm, instead of farting around in a lot of different brands of vehicles. What Giants is pushing out is, in my opinion, a farm vehicle driving simulator, first and foremost. Sure, they have made some tweaks resembling "farming", but if you wanted more realism, there was no way around modding the game silly. I've bought all iterations of Farming Simulator, and been progressively more and more disappointed with it over the years, so I am pretty sure FS22 was the last version of farmsim I will ever buy. It also happens to be the version I have the LEAST amount of hours actually playing. Take care. 🙂
Turned on Cattle and Crops a couple days ago and was still amazed how much better this game features are in cab vs FS. IRL you would harvest around 4Kph
The main reason why this died is because of all the hype when they first started building the game at first everyone was pumped up and eager to play it but days turned into months and months turned into years and still no game then when it finally did come out there were far too many bugs no farming companies was willing to give their name to the game. You were right about the simulator aspect catalent robes was always going to be a far better simulator whereas giants always wanted to keep it simple so toddlers could play the game. The fact that the cattle can escape from the fields or wherever is awesome, if only they had that in Farming Simulator, to be able to physically move your cattle from one field to another for grazing would be brilliant that is something I've always longed for.
That's not it. It died because it was too hardcore and most wanted to just have fun like they did in the somewhat simplistic FS, and also was too demanding in terms of hardware. At the time i don't think there was any system that could run it at decent FPS. That's because of it's simulation capabilities.
@@xXturbo86XxThat is not right, the game was always going to be a hardcore simulator, it was billed as such right from the very beginning. No one was under any illusion that it was going to be an arcade game the simple fact is that it took far too long for the game to be developed and by that time, everyone had gone for Farming Simulator mainly because it had the monopoly of all the farming name brands. Cattle and crops were on a hiding to nothing. The main reason why they launched cattle and crops is because at that time Farming Simulator 13 was an absolute failure and a running joke in glitches and tractors and equipment flying off in all directions.
This was such a nice game, with lots of detail. I wish it would have been finished. I think this is the game I first found on your channel. I also re-install and play every once and a while.
Oh how I wish this game would have been finished. I think it was just ahead of its time. This dropped when the other farm sim was at its peak. I feel as if it would have been released now it would do way better. giants softwares farm sim monopoly need to end. No innovation. No better physics, tiny updates every time they release a new one and the lazy practice of depending on modders to keep their game alive and interesting is honestly sad and pathetic for the amount of money they generate. Sadly, farming simulator fans are happy with mediocre EA style releases so it probably won't ever change. Great video of a game that could have been the best!
Respectfully I say that your wrong and I don't agree. I first picked up farm sim 15 and since then the game has grown leaps and bounds. Not just in one area but in many areas. I agree the micro transactions for simple equipment isn't the best a company can do. But thankfully the company listens to its players and each game gets better and better. Is it the best farm sim game on the planet? Maybe not, could it be lots better? Maybe so but still it definitely isn't the worse. Each new release definitely has better innovation so idk why you'd say that and the physics get better with each release as well. I could understand someone saying this stuff if they have only played farm sim 22 or maybe even 19. It can't be a monopoly if other game companies aren't making a farm Sim game calling it a monopoly is not the right thing for sure. A monopoly is call of duty maybe or Microsoft flight sim but definitely not giants software lol. And making a game and allowing mods is a great idea it gives the players/modders a way of really feeling connected to a game which in general makes it a better experience all around. A farm sim game wouldn't stand up on its own no matter who makes it if they didn't allow mods or other maps from players/modders. That's the beautiful thing tho, we all like different things and all that and that's the fun part. We don't always have to agree. We like what we like, that's what makes these discussions fun. Have a great day
@@OscarVaughnyou see the thing about Farming Simulator moders, they are straight up carrying the game. And they have been for almost every release. It seems like the moders put more effort into the game than giants. And then giants has the audacity to make the cool new features in their new titles just their own versions of popular mods from their previous games. And oh gosh the physics suck so much and is such a pain. They make so much money off of the franchise and could make it way better. But they refuse to, we get fog, little bitty ruts, water ripples and a reshade in fs25… yayyy🤦♂️
I remember when it was 2015: Everyone was completely hyped about that game just from the Trailers, you just had never seen a realistic Mud System in combination with farming, and now everybody just forgot that it is out because of that massive delay
Ya Giants is to busy cashing checks to make FS the game it should have been in 11. Giants game development plan. 1 Make game, cash checks. 2 Add lipstick, cash checks, 3. Place wig, cash checks 4. Paint hooves, cash checks 5. Change wig color, cash checks. 5. Wash pig, cash checks. 6. Change hoof paint color, cash checks. And it just keeps rolling on. I had high hopes for CNC so I wouldn't have to play FS anymore, but with no alternative I can understand why Giants doesn't even try.
I was never interested in this game when it first came out but it's almost tempting to try now. Except I don't really want to spend money on a dead project. I really enjoy all the farming simulator games, been playing since 11. I do and I don't get the hate The game seems to get from some people lately. I give Giants credit because they have to try and make the game fun for such a wide variety of people that they will never make everybody happy. I like some of the realistic stuff, but I don't always want to have to spend a whole lot of time to get things set up. I do like some realistic features, but I definitely understand that the vast majority of people don't want that stuff and they need to make the game accessible. Well, I guess they don't need to. They could go full simulator but I feel like they would lose a good chunk of their audience and they're not going to do that. We will see what happens with 25, most likely I'll buy it but still waiting to see what other new features will be in the game.
What a shame it is a failed poject. This has a lot of things that i wish the other game would have. I hope some miracle happens and this project gets another oportunity.
I wish this game would’ve worked out but going back on what you said about the auger is on the left idk if it’s sarcasm or not but most if not all combines have the unload auger on the left side of the combine I’m not trynna seem like a know it all or anything or trynna correct you bc idk why it’s like that but I assume it’s to protect the crop and make it where it can possibly protect the auger from getting hit
It was a miss from the developers to ONLY go hardcore simulation. They should have had it as a it was out of the box, then have a "arcade/giants" menu option where they "dumb" things down to Giants level.
Unfortuneately c&C killed themselves thought they could compete with giants, targeting the small niche of realistic pc gamers, took to long to get the game playable. I don't think any farm simulation can cope as long as farming simulator is going, being going to long
i didn’t even know it exists for a long time when i found this game it was already dropped but it was advertised poorly, there are not many people knowing about this game even tho they would have been interested
*_"Most people are happy with their little toys."_* Or...maybe most of us don't expect a 1:1 replica of reality. In other words, most of us play to RELAX. But of course, there will always be those who are dissatisfied with GIANTS not including things like pests, floods, blight, and even the occasional vandals in their farming simulators. lol Having said that, it still would've been nice for GIANTS to have some competition for a change.
How are you supposed to relax when the worker is mentally challenged, game runs 10fps despite better looking games run smoothly and the graphics is falling 10 years behind with attempt to look modern
@@KerboOnYT That's the beauty of Farming Simulator. You can make it as realistic (or not) as you want, thanks to its very strong modding community. Sure, one could argue that GIANTS is (somewhat) relying on modders to "complete" the game. But keep in mind that most developers have only so much time and money to develop a game. I honestly believe that if GIANTS were to attempt making FS as realistic as Cattle and Crops, they'd probably share the same fate as Master Brain Bytes. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that GIANTS is without its flaws, 'cause their business practice has become questionable lately, to say the least. I mean, who the heck releases a major DLC for a game, only to announce the next version of said game just a few months later?! lol But anyways, fair enough. To each their own. 🙂 Sorry for the late (and long-winded) response.
@@kanapkizuranem Easy, you don't use the default AI! Try the Courseplay mod instead. And as far as performance, how the heck are you only getting 10fps? What are you playing on, a potato? lol My modest gaming PC with an AMD Radeon 6900XT graphics card, can run FS at 50+ fps with EVERYTHING maxed out in 4K resolution, so you should get AT LEAST 30fps on the lowest settings. You don't need a "top-of-the-line" gaming PC to play FS.
@@guildrich idc if i play on a potato, this potato runs war thunder and world of tanks smoothly at 60-90 fps and they look far better, its giants fault of shotty optimisation I use modded ai, its still crap on maps more complex than square field mayhem And fps are low due to mods but still, gmod does far better job while being much older. Also its actually pathetic how this game is unplayable without essential script mods...
Modders can't do much with an abandoned game. There is a large mod on modhoster that adds some gameplay, but there's only so much you can do as a modder.
@@KerboOnYT I inderstand what you mean but there have been instances where teams have got together and taken over the development of games with the blessing of the original Devs as a new company or as a community project. I know it won't happen but just wish it would :)
Yea personally I don't see what makes this game better than FS22. Like I see several features that are only available through mods in FS22, but the mods are sooooo easy to get to with modhub literally being built into the game. But I don't see any features that aren't available in FS22 besides in cab buttons and stuff. Maybe some of the features are a bit more in-depth, that soil composition and stuff looked a bit more complex than the precision farming mod but that isn't necessarily a good thing for everybody. The other thing is you mentioned performance of the game, I think that is the biggest reason why Giants doesn't just add every feature that people want in the game. There are ultimately hardware limitations that have to be respected and if you want your game to reach a larger or wider audience you also have to make sure it runs well on lower end machines. If I had to guess the really hardcore sim crowd are probably more likely than the average gamer to have a really high end computer, because the games they love require more out of a computer. I think FS is so successful without any real competition because ultimately they give you the option to decide how realistic you want the game to be, partially through settings in-game but mostly through the use of mods that people have created. Would I love to have Precision Farming, Work Cameras, Dynamic Economy and several other mods as vanilla features? Absolutely. However as long as they continue to be easily accessible it doesn't really matter if they are vanilla features or not. I think that is the key feature that will continue to keep FS and Giants ahead of any competitors, the ability to appeal to a wide range of people by allowing the game to be more easily customizable than any other game on the market. It is what I love about games like Project Zomboid, Scum, Zero Sievert, Dyson Sphere Program etc. Either through in-game options or mods you can custom tailor the game experience to be exactly what you are looking for out of that game.
If you don't notice all the features in Cattle and Crops that aren't available in Farming Simulator (even with mods) then you won't miss them. I agree that Giants will continue to dominate because they provide what most people want. I want a lot more. Thanks for watching!
I know this is abandoned but do you know of any talks of people picking it up again? This is 100% the sort of thing for me. Itd scratch that itch that dcs does for flight simming, that in depth true to life simulation not an arcady running on rails type jobby, tbf I get why it's abandoned as it wasn't advertised a lot if at all. I'm a die hard fan of all things simulation and didn't know this existed so I won't be the only one. Surely the devs could see that yeah it may be a niche market but so is dcs and look how popular that is
There's not a lot of variety. In my playlists, there's a series I did a few years back. I think I went over the equipment in one of the early episodes.
giants should have acquired that and build fs upon. great stuff in this state. I still mourn it. FS 25 might look as good as this game :) certainly will not feel like that sadly
This game is much more a heavy machinery simulator, with a very detailed crop calendar. But it falls kinda flat outside all that. The Giants game is more of a full manager game now, but it does do most simulator things very superficially.
