A Brief History of Pokemon Clones 

In way you were watching a darker Pokemon

I mean, sure, they have dark digideaths, but have you READ the manga? Arbok gets his head sliced off.

Friendly reminder Pokemon was a game first and an anime second, while Digimon was an anime first and a game second.

@@Samm815 Nope, Digimon was a game first as well. Digimon was originally a line of Tamagochi aimed at boys, so they could battle each others Tamagochi (or in this case, Digimon) and grow stronger.

@@BobSmith-tm2kj They always talk about the Arbok but never all the Gym Leaders getting crucified in the Black and White manga

Shit goddamn I wish I'd thought to use that quote

Digimon was kind of like it's arch rival. The Pokemon franchise was like Son Goku whereas the Digimon franchise was like Vegeta. The Yugioh franchise is powerless againzt those two combined.

​@@emeraldmoon209 Yugioh is the Krillin. They'll never matchup against the 'powerhouses' but are still there on the category where you can still respect its efforts to last this long.

What show is Mr. Satan?

@Megane Glasses More like Piccolo actually. Always there, still super strong, but knowing that they will never quite match up. And that's OK

Isn't that basically Pokemon right now as well

Hiroto from Build Divers ReRise: "Allow me to introduce myself"

I think I liked the old commercials more then the shows themselves

It's not just a glorified toy commercial, it's a toy commercial written and designed to accommodate a CHEAP toy company. They killed Optimus Prime in the movies purely to sell more of his toys they had in the warehouse they put a blue coat of paint as Ultra Magnus toys. And they did this with nearly every other transformer as well, taking older transformer toys they didn't sell many of, and repainting them or putting a new face sticker on the window to call it a new transformer instead of designing a new toy from scratch for new transformer characters.

@@danieldishon688 that's actually not true, but go off i guess

Fun fact: G.I. Joe was a glorified american military commercial (that is to say,the american military was not very popular not long before G.I. Joe came along so the toy line was created as almost propaganda for the military to get people to think of them as the good guys again. The tv series then came to,of course sell the toys).

@@danieldishon688 cheap toy? Try greatest toy of all time right next to Lego. What said isn't entirely true and they did make up for the bits that you are right about.

Same.

beyond perfect...you'd think it'd have projected canceling by now, but I guess not :p

He hearted your comment. I think he did it on purpose.

Technology is such a wonderful thing

That reminds me, I need to get back to working on a song that includes the lyrics "Alexa, call the police!"

it was because of editorial advice and the huge amount of fans asking about the card game.

KaleidWinter it was also a horror manga

zeta Gundamn ending. childhood trauma

back in 2001 i would of said yugioh as a world to live in over pokemon and digimon...now would it be Naruto or one piece..simple..dragonball….im pretty smart...

Asmosis Jones Yeah, now it would One Piece for me, hands down.

You two are crazy and are going to die. I'll be smart and pick something fun and safe.

It's like asking: "You want a possibly pacific life, or to have actual character development?"

I'd choose to live in the world of Yu-Gi-Oh!

Yes, but don't forget the girls get "captured" when they kiss the guy and get a temp power boost from kissing him afterwards. At least they were just aliens instead of pets and literally gods of creation in animal/monstrous form.

Is like the inspiration for Xenoblade Chronicles 2 for the blades

Gotta catch 'em all.

It’s Pokémon, but with boobs

I always called Sekirei "pokemon with boobs" and I love it for that.

A lot of people in Brazil grew with that show, so it's kinda known between my friends

Silent Protagonist it was on 4kids... good times

Anyone who watched 4kids back in the day know what that show is.

ITS YOUR DESTINY YEAH

I remember it but only because it came just a year or two after an extremely similar show called Dinozaurs. Dinozaurs isn't as often remembered for some reason.

@Manannan anam The only thing they really have in common would be falling under the "collecting" game genre. For Digimon, you really just collect data to get new digimon or try to mix around with the stats to get new evolutionary trees unlocked. Medabots, was more about parts of the bots then anything. And YuGiOh, getting more cards to use for your deck hand. Still, I don't see that much else that ties them together. (Yo-Kai Watch and Digimon 1-4 have more in common, with their setting in the "real world" with kids befriending creatures that can communicate. Plus alteration in color schemes for the same monster making it a completely new creature. But, one is digital and the other are ghosts/demons.)

Disagreed on the Mega evolution stuff. If anything temporary evolutions/power ups was a very common trope in tokusatsu and super sentai series than anything.

Exactly, and the yokai watch series has nothing to do with Pokemon. Its completely different if anyone played it.

@@isytha5324 wonder if the vocal pokemon fans just call yo kai watch a pokemon rip-off because of yo-kai watch actually doing a lot of stuff arguably better than pokemon, so those vocal pokefans keep calling yo-kai watch a “pokemon rip-off” so they won’t see the flaws of pokemon

@@xuanluu4873 Exactly, the yokai watch series actually has a storyline, as well as a variety of different yokai rather than Pokemon where each Pokemon can be summed up by the name of their type.

Ikr lmao

@Marcus Mysteriously the first game came out in 87 and I think that was based on a book from 86

@Cassius Zedaker I know what I'm doing after this video.

Yeah its like calling every fantasy novel a tolkien clone. They may share aspects but that doesnt make the new product bad. Except for dennis mckeirnan, &*^%$ that thief.

I think it needs to stop being called "Pokémon clones" and instead called something like the friend monster genre. Calling something a clone automatically suggests that it's not as good or creative.

If it actually tries to build off Pokémon’s mechanics it shouldn’t count.

Winged Mirage If the Mewtwo movie taught us anything it's that clones are not weaker than what they were cloned from

It's definitely controversial. And that's why "Pokemon clones" will bring you many more clicks than "Pokemon inspired games" :)

And despite starting as a soulless cash grab, Beyblade gave us one of the best tournament arcs for "sports" anime in G Revolution.

I was about to comment "Even the worst Digimon season was still pretty decent" , but then I remember I hate the 2nd and 3rd seasons of Xros Wars with a burning passion

Yeah, but Pokemon still has games and trading cards under them.

I think all of Xros Wars is still better than this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digimon_Universe:_App_Monsters

@@IzkataX wars was win I lost interest. I never gave it a chance.

He ain’t wrong though lol

@@OtakuUnderground92 One is a ball that turns into monsters and you fight with cards to power up and change the field The other are spinning tops with spirits in them when drawn out become creatures that fight it out on top of spinning top.

They're not even close...

@@OtakuUnderground92 what is simular about the two.

Let it rip (off).

exactly, he can say the whole 'smart' gadgets is also pokemon clone because it is market driven and there is a demand for them.

Pretty much this.

Exactly and it's games in the monster battling/raising genre that always seem to fall under such scrutiny, as if such a thing doesn't truly exist as it's own genre and draws in the inevitable comparisons to Pokemon without fail. Every other game genre is recognized as having a few shared themes, and not criticized for doing so. I have at least come across five "Pokemon clone" videos in the past few years without even looking for them. It's a bit ridiculous.

Yugioh is technicaly older than pokemon soooooo

Ya yugioh is not a clone but digimon was a clone.

i think he was talking about the shows, season one of adventure was pretty similar at first

@KaleidWinter Not to mention that digimon doesn't even focus heavily on capturing monster. In the games it's all about raising them. You have to manage what they eat, how you train them in a gym and when I say gym I mean an actual gym for digimon, etc.Theoritcally speaking you can have a strong digimon who has yet to battle anything. In the animes and the games ,the digimons are not being held captive by their tamer. Instead the digimon choose their tamer.

The original concept isn't Everything that came afterwards, which makes up 99.99% of digimon material, marketing, books, movies, tv shows, collectables, CCG, toys and whatever else to have ever have existed? You can't possibly claim they weren't cribbing every possible note off Pokemon and keep a straight face. Bandai have said as much. hell, the way digimon and other franchises cribb off of pokemon's is a pretty standard marketing case study these days. bandai took a look at pokemon's success and went "holy crap, these people are making all the money off collectable monsters. Wait, we have are our collectable monsters, why can't we be making all the money off collectable monsters" and proceeded to try and duplicate pokemon level success by using the formula pokemon stumbled face first into, and after the original digimon toys came out, every single thing they did followed that formula to a tee. Whether or not someone feel they did something different or more interesting with that formula, isn't relevant. A working formula gets cribbed off all the time. Wagon Train shows were popular and star trek is just that but *in spppppaaaace*. Star wars is what happens if Flash Gordon reads " The Hero with a Thousand Faces" and gets handed space samurai sword. The entirely of the 80s saturday morning cartoons is bascily "that smurf show, but ponies/snorks/gummibears/etc" The entirety of the disney channel and nickelodeon is basically "Lizzie McGuire but..." Digimon did a lot of things different with the same formula and building on similar themes. Which is part of the reason why people still remember digimon as opposed to some of the rip offs. But it wasn't a successful franchise because it was "tamigotchis for boys". Tamagotchis had just about crattered out of existence by 2000. If that's all they did with it digimon would have cratered out with it. Digimon got popular because the franchise was so very much exploiting the Pokemon formula for everything it was worth. And given that what it was worth turned out to be "6 billion dollars and counting", they'd have been stupid not to.

@@DataumCats "Digimon got popular because the franchise was so very much exploiting the Pokemon formula for everything it was worth." Mind explaining what you mean there bud..? Because I'm not seeing the full picture with this sentence, as while yes, Digimon had to get some Pokemon stuff in it to survive, but it didn't exploit it fully for its own gain.

@0n3m4n4rmy Digimon DOESN'T follow Pokemon's formula though. Where are you seeing the parallels? If you're purely talking about how their toys were marketed then I can see your point, but the original Tamagotchi based toys were raising sims rather than RPGs and the World games were dungeon crawlers more similar to SMT than Pokemon. Their anime couldn't be more different either - one's set in a fantasy world where the main hero goes on a coming-of-age journey with the purpose of improving themselves and meets friends and companions along the way, the other is an isekai where a group of people are lost in a world they don't understand and are trying to find a way back home and, apart from their partners that they meet almost immediately, almost everyone they meet on the way is an enemy. So I really don't know what "formula" you're talking about.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with him

Yeah, but if it wasn't for Pokemon, I wouldn't have heard of SMT! This sh*t got me into collecting/customization of critters!

pokemon is SUPER occult and they got that whole style from shin megami tensei

Also Dragon Quest V, which has aged much better

Pokémon but the Evangelicals had a point...

@@dragonmaster613 that’s true. I’m a big pokemon nerd but thanks to that now i’m a big fan of the SMT series especially the fourth entry in 3DS actually i can say that maybe SMT is my favorite video game series

Welcome to the giant demographic of people that enjoy watching shows that make them feel smarter than the main characters.

TheShadynorwegian electric doesn’t work on rock types pikachu shock him harder

I always hated Ash. Related much more to Misty, even though I have no siblings.

@@pandadogunited1504 Ground types not rock.

@@pandadogunited1504 "But, it's wet, so the electric will go through the ground type" Thinking like that hurts my brain.

Everything gucci until you get your charizard stolen

Did you just described my late grade school days??? How???

Bro I used to sell Pokemon and Yugioh cards. I had a deal with the chinese knockoff store on my block that they'd sell only to me (I'd buy a legendary unit the book with only legendary cards for 29.99 every day) and I'd sell it to other middle schoolers each legendary for 20+ once sold an Obilisk the Tormentor for 150$ and a Three Headed blue eyes white dragon dor 100$. I made so much money and spent it all on video games I had like 300 games for my 360 and 100 for my ps3. I was legit a card dealer lol.

@@organizedopinions8068 I rest my case.

Digimon showed us how to kill people... Pokemon didn't

Not really

that is exactly what hes doing hes say that this model (apparently first started by pokemon which is false in it of its self pokemon was just able to perfect it because of there marketing tactics) is a pokemon clone which would be false that just means they are copying a business tactic and whats wrong with hat nothing make character appealing check put something in i can sell to kids check market it well and give it an ongoing anime so people stay interested check this video should be tilted how "pokemon perfected a great marking tactic that other company's used"

kisam08 he didn't say there was anything wrong with it

the bait worked though

@@Aldini_to It actually made me want to avoid this video all together...

Same. None of these series were clones. They were influenced by it but that's it. Yugioh's anime is nothing like pokemon's.

You're here and you watched it, so it worked as a thumbnail like it was supposed to

@@BiggestDave It was more of a "maybe it won't be as bad as the title is labeled" as its supposedly a History segment and not some bashing video on the "clone" subject. I've also watched a handful of other of his videos, which have been mostly hits for me, with a few misses. So it wasn't the thumbnail or title card that drew me in, but my history with the creator of the video. Had it been some complete unknown, I would of kept FAR away from it at all cost.

More like all anime with fighting a dbz clone, and saying the ones that came before it don't count because of reasons.

yes. exactly. this.

Yeah its beyond annoying, they arent clones, if they were, they would be those trash mobile apps that have those pokémon assets

@Hyun Dong Lee competition is competition, trust me

Yokai isnt a clone. Inspired =/= clone. I shouldn't even have to say that. Clones have to be inseparable from the original. It has to be something with more than just basic inspired aspects from the original. It HAS to be far closer to the original to be a clone. Like a blatant rip off. Oh wait Thats what a clone is. A blatant rip off...

@@lillith7257 I think you're at the wrong video then my dude! Clearly this vid is exactly taking that definition of inspired- which I know it is, and I was applying it here as well with the context of that video. If you wanna get mad at anyone, get mad at this video.

@@eevee2Glacia i am mad at the video. Its clearly wrong. Lol

@@lillith7257 ok! I don't actually care, and genuinely, have a nice day.

it is if it maakes for a good buzzword to throw around and not-so-subtly mply that they are not s good as original due to being a not-aactually copy

There’s a fine line between a subgenre and clones. Like Slasher movies being Halloween and Friday the 13th clones.

You're correct about Yu-Gi-Oh but pokemon did come out before Digimon came out after pokemon...

JackOfen I think he’s putting any card game that has an anime on here

@@infernalpear5332 also they were basing it on tamagaties.

yes but the card game was years after the franchises creation the manga was a slice of life with some horror elements originally

@arbereshe ?

Nuke2099 Agreed this is a very poorly made video I don’t see how yugioh is a “Pokémon rip-off”

Yugioh noticeably changed its manga formula in real time to be more like pokemon. It's not as on the nose a pokemon clone, since it's doesn't copy much from it and remains focused on it's more unique elements of its own franchise, but it's still a fair inclusion in a timeline of anime that that probably wouldn't exist like they do without pokemon proving their viability first.

@@danieldishon688 i feel like people that call it a clone with no proof except for the fact that there's monsters and cards, so I have to explain to them the anime. Sadly only one listened.

@@danieldishon688 The reason Yu-Gi-Oh! became about the card game it introduced as a stand-in for MTG was due to reader response; it had nothing to do with pokemon. The manga covered a variety of one-off games, most of which resembled something real. So, when the manga made something like Magic the Gathering (getting popular in japan at the time, IIRC) but where the monsters popped out of the cards and you could see them kill one another, the reader response was so strong that he and his editors jointly decided to bring it back for the climax of the manga's first arc, which again proved so successful that they decided to make the series revolve around it entirely. It was essentially an unlicensed MTG manga, which, of course, far predates Pokemon, and the natural result of a super-popular manga about tabletop games coming out when MTG was on the rise. I think it's also notable that Kaiba's pretty clearly a Vegeta rip, not a Gary expy (who he's basically nothing like other than that they're both assholes).

^ Exactly this.

TheShadynorwegian honestly the tv show was actually pretty good (at least the first season)

Man Bakugan may not have been as good, but I legit enjoyed the show, up until say season 3.

So was 19 when those came out, and I despise them. My first apartment the neighbors had 2 boys and in the middle of the night you would suddenly hear this weird sound followed by a thud. Turns out they were rolling the damn things against the attaching wall.

Yeah, i started rewatching bakugan a short while ago, and it was enjoyable. My only complaint is that the show keeps emphasizing that "it's a game of strategy" when the strategy never ever gets more advanced than that one time in season 1 where an enemy bakugan swaps battle power. In every other match it's just "who has more g power" and they call it strategy

There is a new version releasing now, just fyi. My daughter loves them as toys (though could care less about the story) and is eager for them to hit Australia, since she has most of the original ones.

Good comment.

Which goes to show you that much of the stuff brought up in this video shows you How SUCCESSFUL each of these Concepts are!

to me duel masters is a ripoff of duel monsters..im sorry and I enjoy both but gotta call it out..its literally the same series...

@@razkable except rothas the traveller was dope as fuck.

Although some of the comments do seem to be following that horrible stigma of "DON'T YOU SHAME A SERIES I LOVE" or "Ya, screw you Digimon fanboys", I'd say a lot of the comments are more pointing out the fact he is just giving blatantly false information to claim Pokemon is a better franchise/series than all the others. Many of the franchises he points to as being Pokemon clones really took nothing from Pokemon at all and are more just following the trends that were simply happening at the time. People seem to forget how new the video game media is and even in the late '90s, video games were still finding new ways to take real world concepts that have been around for decades, if not longer, and put them into video game form. And in relation to Digimon, it really didn't take anything from Pokemon. The anime was entirely different, the games were not really mimicing them, and as for things like marketing toys and cards to kids, Pokemon did not do that first at all. He points out Gundam, but you also had the Power Rangers, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, G.I.Joe, Super-Human Samurai Syber Squad (which just got the anime reference adaptation of SSSS Gridman), and others in the '80s, early '90s, and possibly earlier.

+1 to both of you.

Even as a card game.

it follows a similar formula to pokemon though with some dark story concepts with murder, conspiracy, cults, body horror, mind control, interdimensional warfare, cyber terrorism, mindfuckery and yubel (yes yubel is seperate)

Its not so much a clone, but they definitely got the idea from them. Pokemon TCG was a collab between Wizards (the magic the gathering guys) and nintendo. Seing both games success, Konami printed what is today the no.2 most popular tcg of all time

@@alejandrorivas4585 actually, after duel monsters was very successfull in the original yugioh, there were thousands of letters asking about the game, how they can play it, etc. and due to this large amount of fan request the series was rebooted with the focus on duel monsters. This is why season 1 of yugioh makes no freaking sense because they had no real rules yet and only later added them

@@alejandrorivas4585 It's no.1.

I always found Tamers more lighthearted than Season 1, Frontier, & Data Squad. Just with much more dark stuff underneath the surface, I guess you could say it's similar to Kirby in nature. The threats faced in Tamers were more personal allowing for more depth than the standard Good & Evil, with a more eldritch yet manmade final enemy. The main antagonists of Tamers weren't really full out villains being very human in personality except for D'Reaper which was merely a weapon that went bezerk. I see Season 1 as darker because of villains like Myotismon most notably who were pure evil incarnate & Seasons 4 & Savers there was a lot more loss throughout them. Most battles were just defeat after defeat & lets not forget that Kurata a human villain put a bomb around the neck of a young girl in need of surgery.

WANT TO BE THE BIGGEST DREAMER?!

I actually think the digimon games are a lot funner but pokemon is simple and not as focused on the complexity as it is simple enough for anyone of any age to understand and to appeal to the youngest and dumbest of kids to understand and want to play..you show a 8 year old in America the dark digimon games and then a simple pokemon sun and moon game and they go pokemon 9/10..guranteed....I guess digimon is too edgy and sad to gain a fanbase while pokemons generic nature is all it needs to stay relevant

@@WaterKirby1994Not to mention that both Devimon and Myotismon almost straight out killed both TK and Kari because of some prophecy, who were both eight at that time.

The Pokemon Adventures manga is such a good adaptation. Pokemon Origins is also pretty good, but not as great.

Just remove the, weird moments, and its basically perfect

You're really huffing that copium for a bunch of Pokemon clones that don't come close to it.

@@Blueline3691 You're really huffing that copium for a Megami Tensei clone that don't come close to it.

You're right. It wasn't. I agree with all criticism.

phoenixking62 Best comment of the day, needs more likes!

Funny thing is, if you go by a very general "clone" tag, Pokemon itself is a "clone" of things like Ultra Seven (a Japanese TV show from the 1960s that utilized the "monster allies from capsules" concept that Pokemon's creator was a fan of and said was what heavily inspired Pokemon), Shin Megami Tensei, Dragon Quest, Monster In My Pocket, and other games / toys from the 60s, 70s, 80s, and earlier 90s that used one or more concepts that Pokemon uses.

You go tell em 💯💯

"These may be addressed later", nope. "Defining" them as clones is probably a baiting strategy to create fuzz, clicks and comments, it's more like a broad and semi-controversial word for marketing purposes. The point of the video could be resumed with "Franchises that took inspiration from Pokemon" (to the point they wouldn't be what they are if not due to Pokemon's explosive popularity), but, yeah, not quite appealing, huh

I can't get even see how it's a clone to be honest...

Alright, so you're talking about the TCG, but the thing is that's really only the marketing side. The work itself really has very little to with Pokémon.

@@leafbladie Sorry for deleting my comment. The duel monsters aspect in the manga was a magic parody iirc. I agree that that it has nothing to do with Pokemon.

Shill basement at it again

It's not a Pokemon "clone" but the one that aired in the US did take many things from Pokemon not only the TCG, one could argue that the filler arc Noah's arc in the third season was inspired by Digimon, I don't think it's a clone either but they are similar, at least Yugioh has the better card game more popular or not.

Well much like Gary, most kids are assholes. Lol. I know I was.

@@romehighbones ya actually

@@romehighbones so, brock?

Also people play the yugioh card game instead of just collecting them. I think that tells how fun the tcg is.

By far.

Oof... this did not age well

not to mention Geoff fails to mention how the 'party' is pretty entirely mde up of the player and his demons, with any human characters being guest party members who join temporarily.

There's a game where I can date Catherine Earnshaw, Blanche Ingram, Lydia Bennett, Rosalind Connage, Dora Spenlow? Why has no one told me about this???

I actually mentioned on another comment that One Piece is just as much of a Pokemon clone as Digimon. Think about it a Never Ending Journey they share in common. The manga for OP started after Pokemon's Anime had been around several months.

I remember fate. (If you are talking about the MMORPG from wildtangent at least)

+1

+1

You aren’t looking at the correct kind of innovation. The difference of fighting along side or not is impactful on the story side. It also shifts the monster collecting focus from a partial aspect of a game to the core feature. There are also a few more aspects linked to “Pokémon clone” besides being a monster collector (though not all boxes need to be checked). Many are story related, having young protagonists typically involved in some sort of competition unique to their world (as the entire premise, not an arc or two). I don’t mean to presume, but you came across as someone who was already a bit sore on the subject of “Pokémon clones” and was more focused on countering than listening. If that is the case, there’s nothing wrong with holding those views, but you’re swinging more at the general concept than the video.

@@skycastrum5803 Not really because you certainly can't beat the original Shin Megami Tensei without putting a ton of focus into collecting and training monsters. Using your lone human avatar without a monster party is suicide in those games with how hard they are. Problem is that none of these games I mentioned use competition based stories like Pokemon, so you're completely out of luck if you're trying to call it a Pokemon clone based on that. Shin Megami Tensei generally takes place during the apocalypse with angels and demons trying to conquer the world, NOT friendly competitive tournaments like in Pokemon but all-out life and death WAR. Yo-Kai Watch is just a slice of life comedy with ghost stories. Digimon's main plot is usually over the symbiotic dimensional relationship between the human world and the Digital World and regaining the balance between the 2. The only one you could argue it for is Dragon Quest Monsters but even then, it's more like the monster betting tournament battles they've had since DQ3 which dates back to 1988, 8 years before Pokemon came out.

DrCoeloCephalo: A few problems. First, you’re missing the “though not all boxes need to be checked.” Actually, the video isn’t even just looking at “clones.” It’s examining the impact that Pokémon has had. Second, no one is arguing that a few of those are clones (or at least they shouldn’t be). I wasn’t claiming that all the shows you were mentioning were clones. I was arguing in defense of this video’s use of the term. To your first paragraph, I suppose that is an argument for why monster collecting is a central focus? If so, you’re only looking at the mechanics side and ignoring story. Also, SMT has a decent amount of gameplay outside of combat. It’s not a kid-friendly adventure. It’s a survival game with heavy emphasis on choices. (Also, it’s weird. Your post first is saying how SMT is actually similar, then talking about how it’s different. My position is logically consistent because I claim it’s not similar and not a clone, thus just different. Feels like you’re just trying to be contradictory.)

Steam Punk Digimon is actually good?

I always liked both but to be honest i wasn't that interested in the pokemon anime til the battle frontier and sinnoh league

For me it was beyblade metalfusion. Back then i was a weeb without even knowing it.

@@ericrohe8421 i also watched metal fusion

Same, I couldn't stand fucker Ash!

oh my god you're right and yes it really goddamn is

never lol

Digimon actually closer to SMT than Pokemon

Definitely

@@kihro I forgot which Digimon game, you know, the one that has Devil Survivor 2 fibe

@@anastasiastellar2658 you mean digimon world 3 maybe.

@@kihro Probably The characters looks like Hibiki and Yamato (the demon slayer team leader in Devil Survivor 2)

That’s impressive actually

Same, with me the only thing of pokemon i knew was the original theme song.

Pretty ironic considering it was the most popular of the three. Personally, I grew up with all three with Digimon being at the very top.

The pokemon anime isnt that good, so you havent missed much. But the pokemon games are great.

You missed out on some amazing games then.

I'll be honest his use of the word clone is awfully vague, and appears to change to fit is arguments.... He's so vague that he's basically calling splatoon, and Minecraft halo copies, but ignoring doom, and the tons of other games before it.

He talks about the concept. YuGiOh became more about "fighting monsters" than actualy card mechanics during the pokemon hype.

Yeah, but the similarities are way stronger between pokemon and the games it copies than between pokemon and yugioh. For example, he says SMT is more like a generic RPG because the protagonist can fight and level, but in actuality, your protagonist is a liability, as if he dies it's game over whereas any number of your demons can die, and the player is generally frailer than their demons. A way to think about it would be if in pokemon the opponent could attack and kill red. Since that shit ain't pg, they stripped it, and in the process made a far easier and more accessible game. The way the guy skews his argument it's easy to overlook this while thinking pokemon and yugioh are hand-in-hand, but that's how youtubers'll get ya.

It do.

It be do

Your one of my favorite poketubers

Not really.

Nope

sounds like charizard. Abandoned as "weak" by its owner, rescued by ash, it eventually evolved and got arrogant so ash had to grow as a trainer and re-earn its respect. (Always though charizard was a dick, dude saved your life, why be a jerk now?)

Tyrone Chillifoot Paul vs Ash was bloody amazing!! Their connection brought Chimchar was incredible and having Paul being Ash's shadow archetype was great as well and made him possibly the best. I love Diamond and Pearl so much!! I still remember that scene where Ash and co are in Reggie's car with Paul who's just in the front with no seatbelt on like 'Reggie, I hate you'

@@chrishubbard64 Puberty. It becomes your job to be a dick to authority figures. Next question.

@@chrishubbard64 the beginging premises do sound similar but there a lot of key differences that make chimchar's arc way better. (IMO) we got to see and know chimchar before it was abandoned. charmander was abandoned first. we never see daimon again but paul is always present. after ash helps charmnder it doesn't seem to care at all about daimon but chimchar is very effected by paul. and chimchar never became an arrogant ass....but when it activated blaze it completly lost control of it's powers and had to learn to control that. charmander was a completly different character then charmilion and charizard. i think the new movie that was a LOOSE retelling of the first season was done way better for charmander's character arc

Periods. Commas. Question marks. Exclamation points. Parenthesis..... *WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY?*

Justin Y. Hay

Hello friend

GOTTA CATCH THEM ALL

Justin Y. ...You are literally in the comment section of every youtube vid I watch, no matter how obscure it is.

Hello there again.

The manga is unironically one of the best battle shonen of all time, the anime adaption was sadly really bad.

Same >:D

@@axeknight8073 More specifically it was created by Paul Reiche III who also made the Archon games, the Star Control games, Pandemonium, etc. and went on to work on Skylanders.

I do!

I do too.

I really loved the opening (idk how it is in English, I only watched it in Spanish).

Digimon technically came out first

Pretty much

Dragon Quest V itself was an MT clone which followed on from a series of shitty books. And yet *Wizardry* beat 'em all to it.

@@maddcruiser8874 Digimon was 1997, Dragon Quest V and Shin Megami Tensei were both 1992, with Megami Tensei on Famicom being 1987

@@Dragonatrix I mention DQV mainly because it was popular and had a more cutesy design, unlike Megami Tensei which was more niche and had a more demonic design and only went cutesy after Pokemon with DemiKids, though you could argue they were going that route with Last Bible, especially on Game Boy

Pokemon but on flip phones.

Daisoujou is right.

@@gabrielcandeia6681 [*casts Mediarahan*] Thank you, mortal one.

No, you don't seem to understand how this really works. People don't copy some game they haven't heard of that is much like a very popular one that came out 3 minutes sooner. They copy popular games that make lots of money and Pokemon's popularity lead to a lot of similar products being made or remade in it's image.

@@ThrottleKitty ..... You do know that the creator of Pokemon WAS/IS A DRAGON QUEST FAN. Also those are popular franchises.... One of them is even in smash.

No, nor do most people. That was entirely my point. Everything is inspired by something that came before it in some form or another. When people are inspired by something, they aren't inspired by all the things it was inspired by. It's not transitive, they are inspired by only the thing in front of them. Pokemon was infinitely popular, and therefor inspired a great many people, another property doesn't just "get the credit" for what Pokemon is responsible for just because Pokemon had to come from somewhere. No idea comes from a vacuum. It's like saying you've never done anything in your life. Your parents deserve credit for everything good you ever accomplish, but your still responsible for your own failings. It's ridiculous.

Rador Dekeche yeah you can very, very easily argue that all platformers are copying Mario. That isn't a bad thing though

I'll note up front that I'm talking from the biased perspective of having not had anything to do with Pokemon, but... no. No, it's not. I mean, marketing-wise, there's probably some influence. The Exe series began in 2001, so it was definitely being released under the Pokemon craze -- but I'd say it was more influenced by the JRPG genre as a whole. This was the first time that Capcom had approached doing anything like a JRPG, both in terms of combat mechanics and in terms of story writing, for the Rockman franchise. So they probably took inspiration from the more popular series of the day, and noticed the common trend of 'young protag-kun and his traveling (sometimes animal) buddies go saving the day' trend, and decided to implement it. Somewhere along the way, that eventually translated as using Rockman himself as the default combat character, but eschewing his usual main protagonist status in place of an original character. But Exe didn't end up as 'Pokemon but Rockman', it ended up as 'Rockman but RPG'. The overall trends in character and world writing as seen in series like Pokemon are just... really common in JRPGs of that era. There's an interview from the game writing staff somewhere that I'm too lazy to track down right now that stated that they took inspiration from popular TCGs of the time, which would've probably included Pokemon and similar series that had card tie-ins. But because having little monsters or other creatures being summoned up to do the fighting isn't really in the spirit of the franchise, I suppose, they instead used that system as a weaponry system, which is how we ended up the final Battle Chip system used in all versions of the series. But while the 'collectable' part of the script is there, the 'monster' part isn't. You only get to use one combatant in all of the Exe games, and there's very little customization outside of changing out the chip folder. Yes, this is a little similar to changing one's team roster in something like Pokemon, but in those games, changing the roster can completely change your playstyle. In Exe, changing the chips can only get you so far -- all combat is still based on high speed and agility, since you're stuck playing with a veritable glass cannon. As for storywise, it's a lot harder to say. Geoff points out fairly well the wide variety of storylines used in collectable monster stories, so you can't really say if a series is copying another or not just by looking at its plot only. Yes, the wide variety of weaponry that some of the characters use is reminiscent of collectable monster rosters, and the overarching themes of comradery and friendship found are also common in those series... as they are in basically every modern shounen. It's less that Exe might have been copying Pokemon here, and more that Pokemon was copying older storylines, as those storylines had done themselves. No idea's fully original, after all. The problem is just that there's no fully consistent definition of what makes a series a 'Pokemon clone', but I'm fairly certain that no matter what that definition would say, Exe doesn't fall under it. Oh, and also Exe wasn't a platformer, it was a turn-based pvp system. :)

A trainwreck. It's a trainwreck.

It’s a CCG? Doesn’t seem that complicated.

@@CTOOFBOOGLE these yugioh fans are way too sensitive. I'm a fan who still plays yugioh but damn just because they don't like or agree with 1 aspect of the video they're discrediting the entire piece. Stupid af

@@Lalo3g1 You are a freakin idiot. Yugioh is a MtG clone and literally has no relation to pokemon. The examples in the video supporting this idea would make Mr Fantastic pull a muscle for how far ya gotta reach to make these claims.

I think his point when it comes to Gundam and YuGiOh is that the products were influenced by Pokémon’s success and copied from a marketing perspective.

I wonder if he acctually did research.

No dudes, he said Yu-Gi-Oh and Gundam animes drew from the narrative formula of the Pokémon anime.

@@GreatWhite00000 there's no narrative to take from the first two seasons!

I get the feeling proper research was not done for this video.

Pokemon Red & Green released in 1996. The original Digimon V-Pets were 1997.

@@RayOfTruth and the first megami tensei game was made in 1987 so that was the first pet monster rpg game, and pokemon is just as much a clone of that as digimon is a clone of pokemon. By that I mean not at all.

@@valdish9620 he literally spends several minutes talking about MegaTen in the video.

@@RayOfTruth I know.

Change into digital champions To save the digital world

Digimon, digital monsters, digimon are the champions!

please stop it. The Digi Rap is arguably the worst thing that happened to digimon (maybe the writer switch in season 2 was worse but my point still stands)

@@yellow90flash59 We are singing the original English theme deal with it.

Or do you want the movie version?

That doesn't make it not a clone. You're putting too much negative stigma on the clone label. Calling it a clone just means it came after pokemon and copies some essential skeletal elements the pokemon franchise was booming from using across multiple media outlets it pioneered the idea of. It doesn't mean everything added on top of that skeletal frame cant be presented different, feel different, or have a different story to tell for a different slightly older target audience. It's name is even just pokemons name but replaced "pocket " with "digital ". You can't deny the creators of digimon were thinking about pokemon to at least some degree when making the new franchise.

@@danieldishon688 Except the main mechanic of pokemon catching is something that digimon literally does not have.

​@@frostmourne1986 well by that logic you could say nothing is a clone, doesnt change the fact it is you just disagree because they changed the name of a mechanic, because it is the samething, just like how in SMT/Persona has negotiation/had shuffle time.

@@DarkSlasher36 you w0t m8? Pokemon's entire shtick is about catching an entire team. Digimon is about breeding a single powerful mon. One is basically a typical RPG, the other is a pet simulator. If anything, digimon is more of a clone of tamagotchi than pokemon. You do understand what "clone" means?

@@frostmourne1986 So i didnt grow up playing digimon, I ain't a retard who ignores that theyre basically the same concept and then will use a features name to say they're different, you can't argue that the concept is the same, just as sleeping dogs, Saints row being clones of GTA both respectable games in there own right, just as Destiny is a Halolands of Duty clone. Also id say pokemon is just about as much to do with breeding as digimon when you consider IVs and EVs as well as nature and ability

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Really?! That can't be true.

Inuyasha

Total fundamental misunderstanding of this video that explained it's point very well. Good job.

@@corrxent no you see, that was a "trasported to the past" anime! Not an isekai!!😁

Cubix isn't about collecting, what the hell? Everyone has their own partner robot. I mean Digimon sort of isn't about collecting either but like in Cubix they don't go on advnetures, they stay in one town. Digimon and Pokemon are both monster/battling adventure stories.

Exactly! Even at a surface level, it's completely different. Pokemon= a turn based rpg with set evolution lines. Digimon world= a game where you take care of your creature, evolve them down unique paths and battle with a very original battle system.

When your Digimon dies it loses techniques it learns HELP, but Digimon World 3 was inspired by Pokemon. The first one wasn't, but 3 was.

@@poisonedyoyo 3 was just an avarage jrpg, Pokémon didn't invent the genre

Both 2 and 3 got rid of those systems for a turn based combat system so uhhh, its pretty obvious where their influence went afterwords 1 was clearly more influenced by its origin as a Tomagachi clone, and was more the exception than the rule, given even the modern Digimon games mostly still do turn based, collect digimon [or digievolutions], combat.

@@BaneDane_JB There influence went to a more traditional JRPG. You know... like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest? Both of which predate Pokemon. So I guess Pokemon is a Final Fantasy clone? And just because the combat system changed to be more "normal" doesn't mean it was a Pokemon clone or took anything from Pokemon at all (although it probably took something because that is how all media works).

his love of pkmn is too big to acknowledge that

@@Aldini_to 21:30.

@@AwesomeMooseSmile one thing is saying he likes it more, another is saying if not for Pokemon digimon wouldn't have got the massive praise it had (and even air) as the main comment mentions (11:25 )

@@Aldini_to If not for tamagotchi Digimon would not be where it's at right now

actually even if pokemon didn´t exis they wont be in a better place because bandai have the rights and everyone know they would probaly fuck up the franchise just because they are bandai its sad but .... bandai

Did he even watch the show?

But it do

It really is not a Pokemon clone

Theres a HUUUUUGE difference between a monster collection game and a trading card game

@@skipable8595 I watch the show and from storyline to design it's different from Pokemon.