I was a UHOP member for many years. God has truly open my eyes. I have five sisters and two are still faithful members. I also have several cousins that are members until the day they die. My aunts were members until the day they died. My one aunt would tear off a piece of the Daddy Grace Magazine and eat it if her throat was sore or if she wasn't feeling well. There were a lot of things that I didn't understand. I will keep praying for my sisters that their hearts and eyes will be open.
JESUS THOUGH?... HIS NAME? ...I LIKE YOU, I CAN TELL YOU'RE SMART... SO, I KNOW YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "TRANSLATION" AND "TRANSLITERATION"? FIND OUT MORE QUEEN. AMAN...
Hearing them change the words of songs is probably the most disturbing part. I heard them sing "Daddy,You're The Center Of My Joy,Daddy is Love,Daddy Will,and even saying Daddy in The Blood Will Never Lose It's Power". A close second is the way members start shouting at the drop of a hat. This is most definitely a cult.
This just in: The Bishop just go $68,000.00 last weekend in Los Angeles. 34 people joined a program called sign me up or the Daddy's Club! This club want you to pay a minimum of $2,000.00 so Daddy can call your name in service. I hope all the members get the blessing they "PAID" for, I'm old school I still PRAY for mine.
I have attended baptist pastors anniversary services where church groups have $100,000 each and there was a treasure chest for individual members to place “ cards” of appreciation and I know from the ministry roll call he walked away with a million dollars in cash and gifts …. When one has been educated you realize people love being apart of something , UHOP is no different that any other formal religion and we mush take into consideration , two men like these where one is newly churched and is a minister or sorts himself is always jealous at the church that is prosperous in ways his is not and the UHOP has members from birth to 100 years old that are fully committed financially ans they participate and for these blessings I say these two men are kinda jealous , we all fall short of thr glory if God , do not pick apart someone’s journey while there hard work will earn them the entrance into heave while you watch from outside the gates ..!!!
WOW !!!!! They all sound brainwashed like I did when I was a member of the United House Of Prayer for ALL people..... I pray for a spiritual eye opener before it is too late for the rest of my family who still attend this church but for me I am so glad that I got out when I did..... I was truly messed up and it took much prayer and fasting to GOD to get my mind deprogrammed and clear enough to seek JESUS who is worthy of ALL praises not " DADDY".......
how about " YOU " join another place of worship. You can't can you? You will always think that many people are not understanding of what goes on in the UHOP but they understand how contradictory the things you say and do concerning GOD's word. You are always on the offensive and only say what you have been programmed to say. It took me several months to be cleansed of the CULT teaching that was programmed in me from the UHOP and today I can truly say that my mind is free !!! THANK YOU JESUS
It's actually not sad. If you really view that particular discussion with an open mind it's clear to understand that the success of the "spiritual worship" of the service is based on the thousands of musicians that have given their uncompensated time the UHOP. Notice when you search the UHOP on RU-vid only band videos come up and nothing involving any of "Daddies' " sermons. Shouldn't their words be available to ALL PEOPLE no matter the media platform i.e. internet, social media.
the house of prayer is a place of joy and praise, and if u dont feel anything when u walk in...well i dont know wat is going on in ur soul. Im only 16 and i feel the presents of the lord, so say wat u say but gods there.
I'm a b real. Uhop isn't 4 me, but it's apart of of our culture and it works 4 you.. Pay these BCE ppl. They hate it when they see, the same thing it's just 21st-century. Just like everybody else.
I was a HOP member for years until my eyes were open. My grandmother and aunts were members until they died. My aunt would tear off a piece of the Grace Magazine and eat it if her throat was sore or if she was having stomach problems. I am so thankful that God has opened my eyes. I attend another church now who preaches Jesus Christ.
It's interesting that hop members are saying read your bible and you'll understand why we do what we do. @5marionaa gave several scriptures that have absolutely no ties to the theory of Daddy and the church building named the House of Prayer. I've read those scriptures several times and I have no clue how/why they are being applied in that church.
People, the bible talks about the blind leading the blind.. People of the house of prayer really do worship their leader, sweet daddy bailey, i seen it with my own eyes. The problem is that the members of the house of prayer been there their entire lives, which makes them ignorant to the truth. You must understand that all have fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) including daddy bailey. Daddy bailey is not omnipotent, and last i checked, he didnt die on the cross for the sins of the world, nor was he risen back to life 3 days later.. I rebuke daddy bailey.. If you havent alrady, denouce the house of prayer
And the enemy desires confusion among Gods children. MsMy! I appreciate you. Much has been displayed up here tonite. We have reasoned together. Not necessarily agreed but at least sat to show what ppl who love the love can do. Reason. Blessings to you.
Such as the Pope who will camp out for days at a time just to get a glimpse of this man. Bishop C.M. Bailey B.K.A. Precious Sweet Daddy Bailey is the Leader of our church and teaches us well on how to live right by living Godly Like. And before I forget, this idiot, "even though he's my brother through Christ" had thee audacity to throw shade at our Bishops "Long Beard" supposedly implicating that we're brain washed based on wat we think Jesus Christ Himself looks like. Answer this Mr. Man,
@@ministrymayven894 You continue in believing in the pull pit. Only who resides within the pit. Two prime examples right here. If these two had anything like We do.
The part in the book about slaves, DO NOT have anything to do with black people. Our ancestors was in slaved. If they were to honor the slave master, then why God sent Moses to free the slaves. Why not let them be slaves. So many people don't understand the bible that's why so many people are lost or confused. And we Judge all the time, but we supposed to do it with righteousness.
Please read your bible and get a better understanding for yourself and you'll see what I am trying to tell you........The brass music melody lure you in and the ELDERS and preachers program you to worship the bishop " DADDY " Wake up people before IT'S TOO LATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Praise God and welcome back Everyone. SO Glad for this open forum. I saw Overdose reply last night and couldn't wait to return, but my work schedule is hectic. Now I see we are all back together. Yes God is in control. Very eloquently stated on all fronts. Overdose, I want to thank you for thoughts. Its highly respected , If I have any concern about your response it would be that "these men seem to target the house of prayer solely" .
I atteneded the house of prayer from 1998-2001.ididny understand the whole daddy concept. So years after i left the house of prayer. I had a vision with the late bishop sc madison. In this vision i asked him what daddy meant. His response was" God the FAther forbreakfast, lunch, and dinner" as some may get caught up in the man and worship the man. Even though i dont attend there anymore, i honor bishop sc madison as atrueman of God.
There is a very clear and precise indication that when man, who is finite, is lifted up to or above Jesus Christ (who is infinite), then this is demonic and this practice is a cult. Acts 4:12, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." I thank both Brothers in this video for shedding light on this blinded and wicked organization. May God richly bless you both!
You visit one time and came to this conclusion. You keep saying what was strange.judge not young fella. This church been around for years. U keep saying a man. Maybe it’s just different. They nail Jesus to the cross and he was got begotten son. So you are no diffrent
You say what you want, but be mindful. You too have to give an account. All you can do is what God has for you to do. Do not look down in everyone for someone(s).
@TheRussMann thank you. I have enjoyed our conversation. I appreciate the way we were able to speak to one another. May God continue to bless you my friend.
Religion is a tricky subject, your story on the UHOP, is in line to what I was thinking, living in Harlem I was feeling the same way about your story. One thing I can say them sisters and brothers sure know how to cook some soul food. My people have a lot to learn, there is only one savior and that is Jesus Christ not “sweet Daddy” Amen lights
All churches have a throne or a big chair that sits higher than the floor. And the person that sits in that chair is the same person all the time until they leave. Pastors Bishops overseers Pope's etc. And they all collect money. And they all get acknowledged as that leadership. House of prayer just doesn't hide the fact that they appreciate and acknowledge their leadership. Stop hating !! Yall do the same thing thus more subtle and deceitful. Sit in the pews when you preach instead of the throne if you claim to be different?
Msmy IOU are so intelligently!!!!! Incredible . I've had several folk to hit me and say they appreciate your willingness in speaking and actually representing your practices in a very tasteful manner. I also appreciate the open dialog you have been having with 112kings and Mrwhatdoyoubelieve. As I stated to you sometime ago we agree to disagree.
Daddy Grace, Daddy McCollough, and Daddy Madison were all men who did not want the position of Bishop. For the record, Grace hair was set on fire, McCollough nor Madison didn't want the job, but they were chosen, by the people and elected by God. My brother my friend, You see we in the House Of Prayer serve a true and living God. We always say, "Lord, we thank thee and we Praise thee." We all serve God in a different, way, but God is God. No matter how you feel, we serve a Good God.
I love daddy bailey, I really do he has helped me through some hard times. And I love the United House Of Prayer I want people to know what they are doing but most importantly WHY they are doing.... for the Glory of God Almighty. For His son and all he sacrificed for us. Showing our appreciation for that comforter, the Holyghost. Ijs
Good bless your heart @keetra. I actually got a good chuckle at "high in the spirit". Well hopefully the Bishop keeps spiritually sober so he doesn't misquote scriptures and forget the message that the Most High wants him to deliver to the congregants.
Of course they enjoy giving because they are taught that by giving money/time to the UHOP they are pleasing GOD even when they don't want to. That's when the "sacrifice" word is thrown out. Read this statement carefully: "You don't have to give money in the UHOP, however when trouble knocks on your door you're going to need works in order for GOD to find you worthy of a blessing." It's a contradiction. I've personally heard this said in the UHOP a few times.
Well I have a great appreciation for your thoughts and again your willingness to dialog is key. As for the scriptures you presented. It reads as follows. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. (Isaiah 55:6, 7 KJV)..
Andrew, we can't just stop worrying about who Daddy is because it's the Spirit within the man we're referring to. Yes, we know nothing's possible without Jesus (which is why he's our Chief Cornerstone), but if the people following Moses would not have learned who he truly was, they would have been lost. Remember, they decided at one time they no longer wanted to hear Moses, but when the voice of God shook the earth, they changed their minds! The man also plays an important role when he's chosen!
You see unlike all of what we have been taught, God isn't about cursing and destroying. But if you keep your mind in the Old testament, then you allow yourself to be governed as such. It's about the Commitment to God not the Conviction of doing!..So I agree know why you are Giving!!! Not paying tithes. I too believe in Giving of my First Fruits!. I'm driving but just had to jump in.
Just an FYI the mountain in the scripture literally referred to a mountain the geographical land mass. It's not talking about the area with the empty chair that has Daddy's spirit sitting there. Do the UHOP members actually believe that there is a phantom spirit that occupies that space you call a mountain in all of the church buildings when the Bishop is not there?
SMH at the world we been going strong for 90 plus years, If the UHOP wasn't right then this thing would have been torn down. I thank God to be a member of the sweet HOP in the words of Daddy McCollough "See the world go down and the HOP rise"
Here you go! This language is from the 1611 first KJV translation: 7 Euen them will I bring to my holy mountaine, and make them ioyfull in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted vpon mine Altar: for mine house shalbe called an house of prayer for all people. It still says AN house of prayer there's a difference when you change it to read THE. Of course that only matters if you're using the scripture as written.
I like how they talk about what they saw and heard first hand not what someone told them. I've heard all these things before. One thing I do know is there food is torch ok let me be serious, but it is good 6th St. Nw Washington DC.
Exactly. And I see these old comments saying they were biased and had an agenda but they literally went to the church on their own to make sure people weren't just hating on the church. It ain't their fault their attempt to be open to new things proved useless😂
I do appreciate a good Godly 'debate' using that word loosely. :-) I really do appreciate being able to reason together. I am sure through our differences of opinion, our foundation is the same... God. I hope you guys(&gals) learned something from me as I have from you. May God continue to bless you!
Well it's not Daddy Bailey that we worship it's the spirit of god that comes through him. We have a bishop because God only uses one man to lead his kingdom. Samuel was God's only prophet when he anointed Saul to be king. Just like Moses was the only prophet when he was leading the Israelites.
I appreciate what you're saying, but please answer a question for me: How come it had not been recorded or commanded that Saul, or David for that matter, was required to 'worship' God THROUGH the prophet as it is done in the UHOP towards the bishops? And also, doesn't the word of God clearly state that there is only ONE mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ? (1 Tim 2:5) Didn't Jesus clearly state that we are to "call no man your father upon the earth: for there is one Father, which is in heaven."?
It's OUTRIGHT IDOLATRY, Jordan! The statement of FAITH IS clearly against scripture. There is no where in Scripture wherein it is stated that we were to thrown money at any of the 5fold ministers or church officers like a PROSTITUTE. No where in the bible was it approved that any minister or child of GOD was to be set in the EKKLESIA or the TENT OF MEETING or the TEMPLE on a THRONE! I sincerely pray you all will have your eyes opened to how brainwashed you have been. Christ ALONE is the Mediator- THAT's BIBLE!
+ChrististheVictoryII As much as you seem to think your correct please don't be fooled. Read your ENTIRE Bible and not what you have been spoon fed. God uses one man, Jesus gave up the ghost so that it may be placed in a Man in these days by God, hence Gods house is the House of Prayer for All People (Isaiah 56:7) The comforter(Holy Ghost) lives in a man (Daddy Bailey) And before you just think oh they giving him money, no we are sending a blessing to him for blessing through God... The world don't understand and y'all will never understand because God hasn't allowed y'all to see it. Y'all are of the world when the House of Prayer is Pure Spirit! If y'all stop looking at it naturally and ask God to reveal it to you spiritually he can do it. We thank God for the man, everything we do is to thank God and Daddy(the Holy Ghost in Bailey) because in this day Daddy is saving people for God. Not just telling them to shout and touching there foreheads speaking booboosho.
+Flip Tonez Hello, Flip. I understand where you're coming from, I used to repeat these same words you have said here, because I was being taught the same things. It was when I began to dig deeper and truly read my bible, that I realized that I was not being taught about Jesus Christ in the UHOP, which is highly problematic since He is the only way to salvation. What they neglect to share with members is that C. M. Grace still considered himself Catholic after having started the uhop; which explains the undeniable similarities linking the uhop and Catholicism. Did you know the C.M. Grace even had a picture of himself in his middle age, that is nearly a carbon copy of a picture the Catholics still use portraying the Virgin Mary'? In these pictures, they both have a halo around their heads, and a glowing heart about their chests, with one hand lifted, the other, across their chests. Not merely coincidental. Also, did you know that the uhop is not Christian? I saw Bishop Madison saying this from the platform in Dallas, TX, that uhop members are not Christians. But I digress. There are many unsettled holes in the uhop doctrine when it comes to God's Word, and was easily perpetuated in their beginning, due to lack of education. Simply put; many of the original members could not read and understand the bible well enough to realize the inconsistencies they were being taught. However, I know the ENTIRE bible is neither read not taught in the uhop; only scripture fragments (never a full chapter) that, on the surface, seem to reinforce erroneous teaching. My question to you: have you yet considered why they always seem to maximize the accomplishments of the bishop/s, and minimize Jesus Christ, even though the holy ghost has never competed against His glory, nor has the holy ghost ever pointed anyone AWAY from the name of Jesus? Why isn't the Blood of Jesus being preached in the uhop when the bible clearly states we must be washed in the Blood? Doesn't Hebrews Ch. 1 (please read more than one scripture there) speak of how God the Father in sundry times spake through the prophets, but now speaks through HIS Son, and His Son being Jesus Christ? Why is 1 Tim 2:5 never preached in the uhop? Or what of the fact that according to the word of God, the current bishop (Mr. Bailey) does not fit the biblical requirements for a bishop? Is he not a brawler, a striker, being known to physically hit grown men? And much less a Godly prophet being his connection to Masonry, which was founded by a man of the occult, believing Lucifer (Satan) to be the 'light source' they seek? These are just a few questions you must ask yourself and be unafraid to seek answers to. God does not require you, me or anyone one else to work for their salvation. In fact, we couldn't if we tried. He requires everything to come through his Son, Jesus Christ, who is the only way into His kingdom. What? Should we believe that God the father watched HIS only begotten Son be falsely accused, beaten bloody beyond recognition, covered with the sins of the world, DIE on the cross of Calvary, & rise again, with the scars on His body, only to 'revise' His own plan for salvation in these last days? To trust another man and believe that man is the key to our salvation is an uninformed attempt to invalidate the Cross of Jesus Christ. Please take no one's word but God's word and do your research. Research the uhop and how the doctrine keeps evolving. Learn about the aged women who were young maids during bishop Grace's day, who were forced to know him intimately and who continue to carry those scars till this very day. They are still around, your older counsel men knows if them, too. Many of these same men were sitting in Grace's patronage when another young maid, you know her as St. Lady Dee Madison, came to get a maid, because 'Daddy doesn't like to be alone in his room'. Many turned their heads and still do. Others will acknowledge it's truth, but then say those girls were blessed because the 'man of God' had need of them. But don't take my word for it. Pray; read your bible, not just those go-to verses I.e. Isaiah 56:7 and do your own deep research. You will find solid, proven, irrefutable evidence. One last thought: did you realize that much of the real estate you pay towards with your g-class is the personal names of either C.M. Bailey or Delores Madison, but not in the name of the UHOPFAP organization? That's public record.
I CAN CARE LESS WHAT THEY SAY BECAUSE IN ISAIAH 56:7 IT STATES THAT MINE HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED AN HOUSE OF PRAYER FOR ALL NATIONS.....NATIONS IS THE PEOPLE UNITED BY GOD USING A MAN TO GATHER HIS PEOPLE BACK TO GOD.....I CAN HONESTLY SAY I WILL NEVER LEAVE THAT SANCTIONED HOUSE THAT GOD HAS ALREADY SAID WHAT IT IS SUPPOSE TO CALLED.....I AM IN THE RIGHT FAITH AND THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE!!!!! PERIOD!!!!
I have seen and witness things in my life that others wouldn't believe. I have been healed off of the very same products that you talk about. My daughter was a still born at birth, but it wasn't until I myself, touched her head with Blessed olive oil that she began to cry after not breathing for 3 minutes. The God I serve is a good God. Now, everyone wants to talk like we don't believe in Jesus. I don't know about you my friend, but tell me one time that you have seen Jesus face-to-face.
Jehovah God, just continue to spread the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ that you do not have to constantly hide behind deceptions and dishonest myths and you will be rewarded in the end...We are trying to make these people see and feel what our Lord and Savior has imparted in us and they want not part of it..... "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." (Matthew 7:6). just pray for them
In the marches that is what we call 'love gift' because the bishop does not get a salary, he gets what we give him... 1 dollar at a time. Just an Fyi I am trying to answer all posts but it will cut me off after so many so if I do not answer your question its because I have to wait an hour before I can post again.
I also would suggest that I feel Msmy if you are giving because you Know it to be a blessing!!!!!! Follow your heart!.. For we all know God will judge us all but that same measure. .. Great dialog you two.
Well God be the Glory. And I too recognized the fact that many are gazing and I'm glad that the lord allowed us both to see beyond the obvious, the bible teaches us that that everything that has breath must Praise the lord!.. And this must be a main thought for those of us that considers themselves A Christ like child. Well my dear sister. I'm in agreement with you that we shall not fight! That would give the enemy what he desires.
Yes Msmy, the pleasure was all Mine. I had a typo at the end I'm sure you figured that out. I was try to say the ppl that love GOD!.. But you figured it out. Lets keep the lines open along with our heart and mine for what whatever it is God needs for us to do.
I know the truth. I have seen so many leave just as you have. I have witnessed how the Grace of God has left them and their burdens became harder for them. I have also witnessed how many asked for things and God made them go through something to get wisdom,knowledge, and understanding. If you were a HOP member and have the Holy Ghost you wouldn't be concerned about what others are doing & you would know for yourself that Daddy is real. You would understand that the HOP is a battlefield and that you must fight what is in you. If you have conflict with what you have seen then the conflict is not with others but what you believe. I can not turn from the HOP because God said it in His Word coming from Isaiah 56:6-7. Even Jesus backed that up in Mathew 21:13. If others are misled it is up to us to except the truth. To defragment the truth from the lies. To grow knowing that if the scripture tells us the truth and we a bound to no other church and except the HOP way, to be born again. To let God use you. Remember judge not, that ye be not judged. Mathew7:1. Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John7:24
I left just like others have left due to being very confused and got tired of saying " The world just don't understand " and really it was my teachings from childhood that had me hostage..... I learned man things from the UHOP that I use in my ministry to this day and I thank the church for stern discipline in which it is what made me who I am today but the worship is not right and the name of JESUS has been moved to the back burner to make way for your daddy bishop and this is just not right and GOD is surely not pleased with this type of behavior.... the uhop practices has been hid for a long time and now due to the internet it is being exposed and real questions can not be answered.... I am sadden that I still have love ones that are still members and really refuse to face what is true but believe that just being a member of the uhop will get them to heaven...... Now this is real disturbing .... Have a blessed day
G class and tithes have separate accounts for the purpose of keeping track of both. You get gifts for your gclass works but tithes are considered an obligation while gclass is an optional program to help with the "upbuilding of the churches"
The fact that you acknowledged that this is a common occurrence with many of the congregants is really admirable of you @MsMy215. The question is can this practice be corrected and if so how?
They talk about the people praising the "daddy" but thats no different than them praising a guy who never existed at all!!! 6 on one hand, half a dozen on the other...
@MsMy215 with respect, what you're saying is a contradiction. I completely understand the scriptures you've used to support your arguments. I can use scripture to support stoning a disobedient child to death. I think what is being said is that the UHOP's application of scripture seems to be based upon the doctrine versus the doctrine being supported by scripture without the extras. The UHOP does not teach Acts 4:12 that I'm certain of, and that should be a red flag to any believer.
So I show my gratitude and honor to that person. But my worship and heart lifts high to god. Because without god none of that would have been possible. In my life his dB constantly reminds me of what is in scripture to live holy and righteous. There has never been a day in my life that I would think of anyone more highly than Jesus. As any good leader, they have to do what’s best for the people. Regardless of what anyone says. That is what I believe he is here as the bishop of the hop.
And just to reiterate I am a faithful dedicated member of the house Of prayer. Have been all my life as well as my mother and grandmother and great grandmother. I have uncles who are both chairman and pastors. My husband is a return elder... that is said for you HOP members who will probably attack me saying I don't know anything about the HOP.
I am half white/mexican non house of prayer born who found the house of prayer by seeking God for truth.I asked out of all faiths & religions, if there is a one true faith, show me! If you have someone leading your people like you did in the bible, today, show me please!& He did : D
Pardon me if I implied that the tithe goes to the Bishop for his personal discretion. At the same time please be open minded, the Bishop has the ultimate decision how your tithe is spent. If Bishop's club and tithes are spent for the same general purposes should I assume that the members pay a double tithe. According to your logic the tithe is mandatory or a necessity. 2 Corinthians 9:7 clearly teaches not to give of necessity or under compulsion.
Do you know who Daddy is? Daddy is not the flesh. Daddy is the Spirit of Christ that dwells in that Man. If I catch you before you fall off a cliff am I not your savior? If I save you from a burning building am I not your savior? Daddy's preaching and teachings through the years have Saved me from certain death. They have established my place in The Almighty God, he introduced me to Jesus and God. When Our Precious Jesus gave up the mantle on that cross, his work was finished. He needed a man to carry on. There was Daddy Peter, Daddy Paul-- the major prophets throughout and down the line. Sweet Daddy Grace. House of Prayer literature is very accessible it just wasn't available to non believers.
If you've only known uhop you haven't experienced that Jesus is truly everything. He alone is all you need & saved your life & your soul from the pit. I pray the Holy Spirit brings you into all truth. God bless.
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? (1 Peter 4:18 KJV) I share this because as members of the body of Christ we must remember who the enemy really is. It's those who don't care to love, and talk about the goodness of God. So my brothers and sisters lets please keep open lines to help someone that needs to hear a really Good word from us!!!!!! In an out of the HOP!!!!!! To God be all Glory!!!
Exhopmember2- I would like to share a little with you about the uhop. I was born & raised to go for service nightly but always right b4 a sermon they will read a special letter from the bishop stating,the members must do. But the Bible teaches that we must be subject to the higher Power, which mean Jesus Christ alone.. So in the uhop the bishop use some scriptures to make it sound good as long everybody still fill his agenda.
Wow , this is so encouraging after all. Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: (Matthew 7:7 KJV) keep searching there's much more to come I promise you. I ask you all to read Jeremiah 29 through 30. After you do so. This should also add to the understanding of being deceived from Actual Prophets and leaders alike. Please stay seeking Gods! Truth
@MsMy215 I'm not sure if your questions are directed at me. I don't think I implied anything about you specifically worshiping satan. My last comment was directed at the segment in the video when they were discussing how religions fill a need/void in the communities which often makes the members disregard or overlook doctrines that may be egregious or erroneous. I thought they made a valid point that's all.
@overdose very well put. In all of my responses back and forth you said it so much more plain than I could have. I wish I can take back all of my back-and-forth and simply reply "Amen". :-)
Just when I think I got it. The Lord shows me how easy the enemy want to slip in to divid Gods people. Lets Keep talking and Learning children of God!!!!
I'm not sure if you meant to @minava2290 but you just basically said "my church is better than yours so leave ours alone and worry about the other ones with the boring preachers." You certainly gave a great first impression of your FAITH. Your sarcasm is very familiar to those of us on the outside. It gives validity to what people observe of your practices.
When/if the argument is disputed with scripture the rebuttal typically is something along the lines of "well I know why I do what I do and everyone else may not understand but it's a self journey." In my humble opinion it becomes difficult to spread the good news when it is polluted beyond recognition unless one is taught the system from birth. At any rate thank you for your patience.
Unfortunately you as interviewer and your guest seem to come with a negative, prejudged opinions to start with as you all decided to attend service. I know that you all do not know the Word of God the way you think you do. God is not a perspective, but He is a matter of fact. Go go back and study. You will find that the UHOPFAP is through the entire Bible, not just the old testament Mr.Guest. God has not changed since day one according to His Word (Mal.3:6) The Word of God has His ways in it, however man has created their opinions to fit them. Continue to pray and fast, ask the Almighty to give you more understanding about His entire Word. Do not rely on what you learned as a child or in school, but strictly through God's understanding. Solomon clearly said to lean not to our own understanding.
Daaaaaang! You guys are hitting @MrLex pretty hard. Lol. He never said he was a member so how do you know he can interpret what the HOP means by One Leader? Ijs. Welcome the man..furthermore "One leader" in Gods kingdom is GOD. The HOP is a kingdom on earth-not comparing to God's- so in our "Kingdom" its Daddy Bailey. Simply put.
And please do not think I speak out of anger because I do not. I speak as a child who sought for truth by reading, praying, and fasting. READING most importantly. Gods word is the same yesterday today and forever. We all have our own interpretation but its Gods word uninterpreted and direct. You can't read without praying first.
Well I want to thank the young lady for telling some of my history to the world which I already shared weeks ago. Again you show us you folks really don't read, comprehend, or process well at all. I've come to know Jesus in a very real way. And thats first by excepting him as my savior and believing the word of God! Now as for getting personal please do.
My husband is an elder... no tithes to masonry. Also I am on the bill paying committed and I count monies coming in and I KNOW where our house offering is going because I pay the bills... maybe you THINK gclass or tithes go somewhere else but I can assure you, offering is for your house expenses. Perhaps you need to email me since you seem to not want to speak directly about what you may think you are aware of.
Why are we not under the OT law, just out of curiosity? Because of Jesus? Jesus said I come not to change the law but to fulfill it. So what changed besides our form of sacrifice? Scripturally.
Notice in verse 15 it says they were buying and selling animals for sacrifices. You are taught that Jesus was upset that people were selling for personal gain. However, that's not what the scripture says they were doing. Jesus wanted the temple to be a place for prayer and worship not a marketplace to sell raffle tickets and chicken dinners. Again read it with a pure heart and open mind and not based on what the ministers in the church have taught you.
My last statement was a typo. I can't clear it up at this point. However, what I was saying is that Jesus wanted everyone to be included in salvation and grace not just the jews. So this separation of the UHOP from the "church world" as you say is false. Therefore, according to you those in the UHOP who teach that or have taught it in the past are the very ones that Jesus spoke against.
No i can not speak for anyone else nor do i officially represent anyone other than my own views. I simply said TO ME in every paragraph i wrote. But sometimes you have to know when not to say things because many things can be twisted. I adhere to things i see. Not things i hear. I would not expect people whom are not members to understand. People like to point out things that they have issues with. The issue for most people is the man. But no one knows what he has done for others.
@MrWhatDoYouBelieve honestly, you make a valid point. THAT is a question I have NOT received a suitable answer to soothe my curious spirit. I do pay tithes though because I know where they go. However, like I said, that is a question I STILL ask. When I get that answer, I will let you know. However, that is not justification for me to leave or question my faith and belief in God or His son or how I worship and praise Him(God) or where I do it at.
Well dear what you say I don't necessarily agree to but! Its important that dialog as this begins to happen. I don't know that we need to worry about defending church as much as be willing to defend and proclaim the faith. Of Jesus Christ. As Apostle Paul said,
I just wanted to reply, not to try to convince, but, to basically say what I and other UHOP members believe, I apologize for causing any controversy. I got a little excited while watching the video.
i grew up in the House of Prayer and to this day I do not like people coming against the House of Prayer. This kind of thing is soooooooooo tired. Nobody cares about this kind of criticism of the House of Prayer or any other religious group.
I do not defend the church. I am the church and it needs no defense. The Church is what it is. I said I will defend what I believe, by scripture. You believe what you believe but if you would like to have a discussion, we can do that.
Brother Chris Dorsey, Please don't feel slighted. I'm glad you set the record straight. You FEEL that The Bishop is another Moses. We thank you for that. As for the education, LIFE was our education.. You are speaking to many folks up here That also GREW UP in there. If you know the story of Moses as great as he was, you should know HIS SIN kept him from the promise land. AGAIN SIN!, HE TOO was a Prophet. I'm only using Moses because you brought it up. You better Get to know the Word not a MAN
