A Conservative on How His Party Has Changed Since 2016

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The 2024 Republican presidential primary is officially underway, and Donald Trump is dominating the field. But this is a very different contest than it was in 2016. Back then, the Republican Party was the party of foreign policy interventionism, free trade and cutting entitlements, and Trump was the insurgent outsider unafraid to buck the consensus. Today, Trump and his views have become the consensus.
The primary, then, raises some important questions: How has Donald Trump changed the Republican Party over the past eight years? Is Trumpism an actual set of policy views or just a political aesthetic? And if Trump does become the nominee again, where does the party go from here?
Ben Domenech is a longtime conservative writer who served as a speechwriter in George W. Bush’s administration and co-founded several right-leaning outlets, including RedState and The Federalist. He’s currently a Fox News contributor, an editor at large at The Spectator and the author of the newsletter The Transom. From these different perches, he has closely traced the various ways the Republican Party has and, crucially, has not changed over the past decade.
This conversation explores whether Donald Trump really did break open a G.O.P. policy consensus in 2016, the legacy of what Domenech calls “boomer Republicanism,” how to reconcile Trump’s continued dominance with his surprisingly poor electoral record, the rise of “Barstool conservatism” and other new cultural strands on the right, whether conservatives actually want “National Review conservatism policy” with a “Breitbart conservatism attitude,” what Domenech thinks a G.O.P. candidate would need to do to outperform Trump and more.
This episode contains strong language.
This episode was hosted by Jane Coaston, a staff writer for Times Opinion. Previously, she hosted “The Argument,” a New York Times Opinion podcast. Before that she was the senior politics reporter at Vox, with a focus on conservatism and the G.O.P.
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@Bernard-fo2qo 10 месяцев назад

Dear God, please make Trump go away.

@barbaras2669 10 месяцев назад

Amen.

@karenkaren3189 9 месяцев назад

I pray every night for that though I am an agnostic

@johnclarkbrost 9 месяцев назад

Paul Ryan is NOT a fiscal conservative. Cutting taxes and increasing deficits is....reckless and irresponsible.

@subcitizen2012 9 месяцев назад

Understand that going against that goes against their voters, their donors, as well as 50 years of their economic ethos. Cutting taxes to the bone is how they rewarded with electoral victories in that time period becsdue it would "stimulate the economy" and "return higher revenues." For them to admit that that's false ends their careers - or begins thier careers as liberal politicians. It's a bit like magic tricks. It's magic, so long as it works on somebody. And that magic continues to work on their voters. Sadly, that side of the business isn't even whet matters ti then anymore. They are more concerned with lynching blacks and gays these days, and the pandemic didn't help with their base levels of scientific literacy. The fiscal conservatives of the past several decades made a deal with the devil courting these evangelicals for votes. It's hard to say if that Pandora box will ever close again.

@DSesignD 9 месяцев назад

They're immune to hypocrisy

@mrooz9065 8 месяцев назад

@@subcitizen2012Country is divided in half. Each side tries to appeal to newly found niche of first-time voters.

@seraph5765 10 месяцев назад

The party of racism, xenophobia, bigotry, and discrimination changed for the worse since 2016?! Who could have imagined such a thing?

@barbaras2669 10 месяцев назад

Oh honey, that happened back in the 1970's with Richard Nixon and his "southern strategy" an euphemism for white supremacy. They never looked back.

@leslieprigmore2854 10 месяцев назад

Party of racism? That’s historically the Democratic Party 🎊.

@barbaras2669 9 месяцев назад

@leslieprigmore2854 Not since the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Then,the Republican party took up the mantle of white supremacy and proudly wear it till today. Wake up and smell the coffee.

@jimwing.2178 9 месяцев назад

@@leslieprigmore2854 But we are living in 2023. It is obvious even to most obstinate dolt that that party of racism is now the GOP.

@momo8200 9 месяцев назад

@leslieprigmore2854 To be specific, it was white southern conservatives who prior to '68 almost entirely voted Democrat. Lol, where do you think those people are now. It sure ain't the Democratic party.

@Bernard-fo2qo 10 месяцев назад

Conservatism: "Why can't we just turn back TIME???"

@jps0117 10 месяцев назад

No. Conservatives want to move into the future... differently, with respect for the past and an understanding of unintended adverse consequences, something to which the Left is largely blind.

@Bernard-fo2qo 10 месяцев назад

@@jps0117 Conservatives fail to understand EVERYTHING has an unintended consequence, everything is a TRADE OFF. There is no one perfect solution to problems in life.

@michaezell4607 10 месяцев назад

@@jps0117 No they don't. to the conservative fear driven brain the future LITERALLY scares them. Conservatives FEAR change of any kind and rightwing propaganda takes full advantage of this by keeping their target audience in a constant state of fear.

@nettwench 10 месяцев назад

Why do red states refuse funding for Medicaid? Talk about unintended consequences. Or perhaps they are perfectly aware of the consequences. They have promoted policy so backward that they refused to impeach a criminal twice, talk about unintended consequences. They ceded any responsibility and destroyed the GOP as a party. And came very near to destroying democracy with it.

@barbaras2669 10 месяцев назад

@jps0117 You mean when we committed genocide against the native people, kidnapped and enslaved Africans, kept women in their place, over threw governments and stole the natural resources of those countries - those good old days.

@acarter4865 10 месяцев назад

Why is it that fiscal conservatism only applies to social services spending for regular people, but gets thrown out the window when it comes to tax cuts for millionaires and multinational corporations?😢

@lostcat9lives322 10 месяцев назад

The GOP is and always has been a party of the wealthy, for the wealthy. This was largely understood before culture wars and is why the democrats had a majority during the second half of the 20th century. It all starts to pivot with the Reagan administration.

@asynchronicity 10 месяцев назад

And extravagant and inefficient military spending is perfectly fine.

@onomatopoeia162003 10 месяцев назад

@@lostcat9lives322 That goes back to the 1920's.

@jps0117 10 месяцев назад

@@lostcat9lives322 Then why does the working class increasingly vote Republican/Conservative in the US/UK?

@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS 10 месяцев назад

@@jps0117 Fear and hate ala Limbaugh, Coulter, Gingrich, Fox, Carlson, etc.

@Bernard-fo2qo 9 месяцев назад

"Scratch a conservative and you find underneath their skin they have the same flaw, the same sin, they are fighting against". -Law and Order episode, one of the detectives lines

@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS 10 месяцев назад

It’s not about the economy going into a downturn; it’s about our unwillingness to provide support to families, to take on income stagnation (except on the left), because of the right wing concern that someone undeserving somewhere is getting something they ought not.

@subcitizen2012 9 месяцев назад

Which is only a rhetorical device they use as an excuse to cover for the fact that they view everyone as undeserving, and /or that it completely goes against their principles of helping anyone that can't already help themselves (billionaire business folk). It goes against every moral and economic principle fabric in their bones. If they were capable of thinking differently about things like that, they wouldn't be conservatives.

@robinriebsomer4607 9 месяцев назад

i was born in 51. At age 12 (1963), I decided I would never marry because it seemed like a raw deal for women since men did not want to do "womens' work" ie washing dishes, doing laundry, cooking dinner etc even though women were now working outside of the home. Surveys in the past indicate that single women are the happiest, married men the 2nd happiest, married women the 3rd happiest, and unmarried men the unhappiest. I'm very happy with my cat. She does not give me any grief. Trump will go away after he dies and at some point he will make the list of bad presidents.

@andreaslind6338 9 месяцев назад

Yes,but he can do so much damage in the meantime...it'd take years to repair.

@joythought 8 месяцев назад

Robin, greetings to your cat.

@Bernard-fo2qo 10 месяцев назад

Never forget that conservatives are always standing in the highway of history yelling STOP!

@andreaslind6338 10 месяцев назад

Then they get run over 😂

@barbaras2669 10 месяцев назад

@@andreaslind6338 If only that were true

@leslieprigmore2854 10 месяцев назад

Puke!

@jimwing.2178 9 месяцев назад

I can't think of a single issue in which conservatives were on the right side of history.

@andreaslind6338 9 месяцев назад

@@jimwing.2178 that's cos history is a long slow march towards greater and greater equality, and conservative hate equality.

@normadenys8089 8 месяцев назад

No one who has had a popular/list game show or is used to professionally talking/manipulating the masses should be allowed to run for a high powered office . They should also all have strict psychological tests before being allowed to run & lead people. Trump should start a 3rd party called” you’re fired”

@meldyu1182 10 месяцев назад

Great podcast. It's been said a million times before but listening to sensible, intelligent people discuss politics is much needed in our country. Specifically when its conservatives talking with liberals. Thanks for this.

@joythought 8 месяцев назад

Amen

@BirthingBetterSkills 10 месяцев назад

Always remember ...Trump is a marketer who watches TV and reads Newspapers. He pays attention to the public information and tailors his conversations to what he is hearing. He is always up to date because new media focuses on just a few things ... thus elevating those few things. He can then market his grift to the news!

@kevinwasserburger3119 8 месяцев назад

It's widely known that trump doesn't read. He does watch a lot of TV though, which explains a lot.

@shelleysmith6667 8 месяцев назад

I am 2/3 thru interview and have to stop due to my schedule, BUT I have yet to hear about rampant capitalism and the wealth disparity. What about mental health care and nutrition? Corporate food industry has hijacked our health. lobbyists are more powerful to enact laws than voters... NRA, food, real estate industry, energy, etc. How about Brene Brown proven training for how to negotiate to all elected officials? How about criteria such as passing gov law and economics tests to anyone who runs for office. We have idiots on the hill. Counterintuitive training is a must so we understand how good governments can work in the lobg run. How about learning from other countries like Finland??? We suck!!

@eringo-bragh4243 10 месяцев назад

Single women have the same lament that single men have: All the good ones are taken.

@nacarreira777 9 месяцев назад

Marriage and children do NOT benefit women. Marriage is a form of slavery we haven't rid ourselves of yet.

@joythought 8 месяцев назад

An excellent and respectful conversation. Great to get a nuanced discussion like that about the Republican party and its factions and future. I hope someone on the right can step up and bring the economy (which will probably be in recession during the election) and foreign policy together to say that Ukraine showed that autocratic regimes like Russia, China, and Iran can start crazy wars of aggression and that given the US wants to be out of the business of invading other nations we have stopped spending on the ammunition etc that is actually needed by us and our allies if we are going to defend against invasion by other nations. But allies can pay for their shells and drones if we can become the best and highest volume producer of these armaments. We can build more jobs with good job security that help us secure the nation and that we sell at the best price to our allies. Why is the world reliant on buying drones from China. We should be making the best and most effective drones here and not for eye watering prices that just lines the pockets of the beltway bandits. Therefore it is possible to rebuild a better self-reliant security for all Americans while also strengthening our economy over the long term and limiting out technological reliance on China

@JMBvideo 8 месяцев назад

Lotta talk about how the party has changed recently. This is just a natural evolution when you oppose civil rights and embrace the old Confederacy. The Southern Confederacy way of thinking predates and informed the Fascist movements in Europe

@TeamBehrens 8 месяцев назад

Jane is the best!

@victorbarkley7785 9 месяцев назад

Hello America, Ezra Klein for 2024 Congress/Senate

@janea4777 4 месяца назад

The gop is over.

@mrooz9065 8 месяцев назад

Thank you Ezra. I’m really short of finding conservatives, who can offer their side of this phenomenon other than MAGAs or MAGA-influenced, or MAGA threatened.