@@Liftsaviation yeah i rode a series 5 gen 2 and an ecodisc back to back here in canada in a video i filmed and i take back my statement about the ecodisc being better the gen 2 is actually more efficient
DieselDucy videos do not have the complete level of awesomeness unlike ur videos has. When you watch Beno videos, you say "Yeah, these are some awesome vids. Every little detail that have been put into them, is realized perfectly". And when I watch DD videos, I say "Yeah, these are some very nice ones. But they aren't the same as Beno videos". I will put loads of lift filmers on dieselducys place. JimLiElevators, TestTower, and many more are not the same as you, Ben and I think you're the best english-language lift filmer. Absolutely awesome work.
My block of flats from 2000 has twin 1998 Otis gen 2's and today the right hand side lift: Lift number 2 just came back into service after a 10 year motor breakdown!
8:40 Have you tried holding the SOFT1 and SOFT3 keys for a few seconds ? Usually the word "UNLOCKED" will appear on the left of the screen and you can access various settings. (On this video the SOFT3 key is hidden behind the light thingy)
I always wondered how evacuation on a MRL lift worked, thanks for filming it. Can you try to film the equivalent for a generic MRL lift (I suspect they have not put as much thought into it).
When i safety break the otis gen2 from inside goes the lift out of service? Because when i safety break the lift at leveling speed it makes a hard stop and the lift opens the doors.
There must have been a short circuit in the lighting. That thin cord you pulled probably was a shorted light. That's why the breaker kept tripping/buzzing.
Beno, this lift is at your university, i know this because i installed this lift in 2014 in December. You should be very careful with what you are doing, despite some clear knowledge, there is alot you don't know, and are putting yourself in danger, not to mention the legal ramifications if you have a accident. Even so, i enjoy your videos 😂 but ffs be careful
Wow, thank you Ben for unveiling the OTIS Gen2 systems. I knew OTIS Gen2 is a very safe lift and that it actually can detect unauthorized shaft door openings. The menue screen can only be operated with a proprietary communication software. This is the reason why so many generic companies actually refuse to maintain OTIS Gen2 lifts. They can't access the communication ports of the software and therefore, not perform all the safety tests required on regular maintenance. Disadvantage for the owner lift is quite obvious: He doesnt have got freedom of choice to find a cheaper maintenance company. Basic operations like emergency however, can also be done by generic companies - UNLIKE the newest Schindler lifts! These are even more restricted than the actual OTIS Gen2 system as far as I can see, even the basic functions such as the engineer mode is restricted - this is what got to know from a lift engineer who got a Schindler 5300 maintenance offered but declined as he can't even do the very basic maintenance operations. However, it seems that not all Schindler 3x or 5x are like that. But they are in Germany. RailCarADDE got one of them at his home, however, this one can not detect unauthorized shaft door openings. In Turkey I saw a Schindler 5300 that has been heavily modernized generic-style. Totally unexpected as I thought the Schindler system is too restrictive for a generic company to modernize it. But probably not in Turkey :)
I recently came across a gen 2 which seems to have a custom voice (well, i am not sure if it is a custom voice or just a rarely used official “Otis” voice, and yes, i did film it, i only realised it was not the normal gen 2 voice when i looked back at the footage)
Can you do a detailed look at a Thyssenkrupp Synergy MRL please? I am an expert on Thyssenkrupp elevators. Looking forward if you could do a detailed look at a Thyssenkrupp Synergy MRL. :)
Hey Beno I know a lot about the Otis Gen2 I even know about 'ReGen Drive' which did the drive for the lift. Did you know not just the lift can generate electricity but it is even clean energy
Using a motor as a generator is nothing new or special in any way. All motors can act as a generator by putting the motor in a circuit where the motor would act as the power supply. Using a VF drive to generate from the motor is also nothing special. All modern VF drives will seamlessly which from using power to generating power when the load is putting force on the motor to increase its speed faster than the speed it is set to. There is nothing about the gen2 that is in anyway better than any other lift.
@@benolifts there is much about the Otis GEN2 that is better than other lifts, hence why schindler and now TKE outright copied the belted hoist design... I could go on with PULSE, etc...
M&S in Basingstoke has a 2013 Gen2 is about 2.0 or 2.5 meters a second that’s the fastest Gen2 lift I ever seen wow like it but it only stops at Basement which is the foodhall level Ground which is your main floor of course and your floor 1 which is your top main floor plus it has toilets next to the Otis Gen2 it has the indicators on the left maybe left.
I can't for the life of me get the car top controls to respond on a 2012 installed gen2. Have you seen the NORM/INSP jumpers in any logic cabinet? Strangely this one does in addition to the car controls in the cabinet also, but even under full inspection mode (INSP on cabinet switch, INSP jumper moved over and INSP on car top switched over) it refuses to manually move. Why do gen2's have to be such a pain in the ass?!
I found one where a fence had to be put up for inspection to work. I take it inspection mode still works, it is just that it refuses to move on inspection? It would be very dangerous for it to not enter inspection. I have found a kone power disc that refused to move on inspection. I still surfed it but it was rather dodgy. My friend got injured on an ecodisc that refused to move on inspection. He attempted to climb the shaft to get out. The lift was on stop but he left it in normal. It detected a fault and went downwards to free trapped passengers. This lift must have been wired wrong. My friend was left holding on with the lift miles below. He managed to get out but cut his hands on sharp doors. I have never yet seen a lift that stays in normal when the inspection switch is switched.
I'll have to have another look. Yeah it's ironic refusing to let us ride it on inspection makes it much riskier and dangerous! Luckily he got out. Funny thing is this gen2 will let me move the car no problem under inspection from the cabinet controls but absolutely nothing with car top. Thanks for the fence idea, but there's nothing like that, but I'll check for other interlocks. There's no anti-surf, as I still got a full speed ride after tricking the logic I got off (e-stop button worked fine to halt lift between floors to get out). Silly fucking gen2's!
Cabinet inspection should be on normal when on car top inspection. In this video I got this wrong. Cabinet inspection sometimes but not always overrides car top inspection which is against regulations.
@@teravolt1195 In my building we have 2003 Otis Gen2, and in order to be able to surf it you have to turn on the inspection on the car top controls, and then in the logic cabinet you have to put the lift into NORMAL mode. Then it will move using cartop controls.
The. GeN2 has manual working parts that makes the elevator go up but it is working a copy of the elevator and the elevator has another elevator status it shows you on what floor you are but it has numbers to show you which floor the elevator is on
it's odd that otis elevators are so different overseas. US otis elevators allow you to open its shaft door without first putting it into ENG mode. The otis elevators in the US i'v seen have had chassis.
The ropes are coated in rubber, more of a belt type set up. These belts run around smooth metal shafts on top of the lift and the noise is the friction between the two. Some are noisier than other as the belts rub on "keepers" which stop the belts slipping off the shafts. ^^^ this guy does not know what he is talking about
In all fairness to Otis, shutting down the lift if a fault is detected can be useful in areas full of children such as school lifts. But yeah, those features should be able to be disabled in the logic and it could do with a proper chassis.
+German Lifts Different ones label it as different sizes but they are all the same. The lift engineer ones are guaranteed to work, when the other ones often don't have the corners rounded off which makes either the triangle smaller, or the outer circle around the triangle too big.
Reading a previous comment, you said your not qualified. So how did you manage to do all of this then? And you should try to get qualified for this! You seem to know what your doing, so why don't you work for a life company? Or unless you already are, I don't know!
+TheDevelopmentOfWindows Lift adventures is my hobby. I wouldn't want to do lifts as a job (also I would be sacked for refusing to mod and old lift). I am more into computers and logic. You don't need to be ultra intelligent to operate a logic cabinet. Also the rescue procedure is always written on the inside of the door.
Oh right, but I mean how did you have a key and access to above the lifts? And clearly (as my channel states) I am also into computers but don't mind looking at lifts ever so often! :)
+TheDevelopmentOfWindows In the EU all lifts from the 80s to present can be opened with 8mm triangle key. Also the drop key can get into most older lifts, others need V key or U key which are harder to get hold off. In the USA pretty much every lift is drop key.
For me, Schindler 3300 and 5500 and the Otis GeN2 are like MacOS, Kone Ecodisc, Mitsubishi and Orona are like Windows, and most generics are like Android.
chatterbox5412 Shaft positioning system using magnets to identify when an elevator is at a floor (not at the floor, a floor). It is formally known as a tape head, not ticky tape.
70 sides with the wiring diagram, 30 sides with the installation parameters, 30 sides with the I/O's, 30 sides with features description and another 100 sides with the installation instructions
+Michal Hellmet Otis in Korea are like sigmas, but otis lifts are very different to the ones in UK, and I have seen Lg trying to copy -sigma -Otis -Mitsubishi
Beno, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Gen2 does not know which door you have opened. Guaranteed. It does not switch the lift off if you open the lift doors without driving it down from the panel. Guaranteed. The shaft lights weren't working properly as the fool who wired those style up did no parallel the panel 2 way light switch up with another 2 way rocker switch in the shaft. Guaranteed. Ask Otis for a job as you are clearly interested and you can get to take these videos in a safe manner. They will teach you how to access that green led screen (I could, but am no going to) and how to access a car safely, before you get on top of a lift you know nothing about and end up with an arm missing or impaled on the buffer in the pit from 5 floors up. Hope this helps. :-)
i think you need not to say such things as you are clearly a kid that thinks doing everything safely and with permission is the way to live their life, get some fun into your life ;)
@@Sk3L370R if one doors opens out of 30, it knows that A door has opened, but it doesn’t know which particular floor has opened as they are all wired in series. That’s what he was on about Hope this helps.
please check your Otis contract carefully - They claim NO LIABILITY for consequential damages, special or consequential losses. They might also LIMIT 3rd party claims to 25% of the contract value. It might be a standard practice for Otis, but double check your contract. Our personal experience has been that there is delay from Otis at almost every step and the contract absolves them. This ALMOST ALWAYS results in consequential damages. We were under the assumption that it's a reputed company and they might stick to their timelines and safety precautions but it was a lesson hard learnt for us. If you are a developer or a builder or just want a lift for your home, my Lawyers advice has been to make provisions for: 1. Delays upto 12 weeks from the promised date of completion. Almost always include a liquidated damages clause if you foresee a significant consequential loss from delay of delivery or execution. 2. Inadvertent 3rd party claims which might occur. Please note that Otis's contract MIGHT limit the contract value so the developer/builder might be held accountable for 3rd party claims. Eg of accidents from Otis are listed below: www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2021/Otis-Elevator-Company-Recalls-to-Inspect-Private-Residence-Elevators-Due-to-Entrapment-Hazard-Risk-of-Serious-Injury-or-Death-to-Young-Children www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-11/26/content_14165786.htm mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mumbai/other/sobo-family-loses-sons-accident-case-against-elevator-co/articleshow/64071245.cms timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/record-rs-6cr-payout-for-lift-accident-in-delhi/articleshow/29460794.cms www.indiatoday.in/magazine/nation/story/19870815-calcuttas-don-bosco-school-teacher-takes-on-otis-elevator-after-lift-mishap-799185-1987-08-14 OTIS MIGHT CONTRACTUALLY LIMIT THIRD PARTY CLAIMS- PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK.
