A Disney Villains Retrospective Part 3: The Evil Queen (Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs) 

I kinda wish that as she was running from the dwarves the disgise would start slowly wearing off until it's almost fully the Queen again, soaked and unruly in hair with makeup washing away as she's trying to lever the boulder onto the dwarves... right until the lightning strikes, mysteriously and instantly turning her back into the hag, just as she falls, her crown being the only thing left untouched.

@Kandinsky hero ytp and memes they probably will do that. They also said they will keep the previously scrapped "Triton and Ursula are siblings" plotpoint in the live action The Little Mermaid. They will want to flesh out the characters to show how modern and cool they are.

@@oron61 Well, that's one way to do it... =)

You're not far off; that's how it goes in some of the storybook versions too. That's why, even in the movie version, it's emphasized that the sheer jealousy drove her insane. =)

Psychologists have pointed out symbolic justifications for the torturous execution in thr Grimms Brother's original recording: 1) Feet are used for transportation, so they symbolize people's actions (and thus their motives). Burning iron shoes thus symbolise searing envy taking monstrous control of the Queen. 2) The Queen wanted public acclaim... Since her envy of Snow White stemmed from said craving, the public nature if the Queen's punishment fit her heinous crimes.

Everytime I enter the Disney store and start conversation with the employees we always agree that it Snow White who off the princess franchise and The Evil Queen started the villain franchise. A lot of people forget that and they agree The Queen should have more recognition for her contribution to the evil.

Too bad that tradition died. What was the last good Disney villain?

@@christianogden2825 Tamatoa lol

Of course she did!

@@christianogden2825 Dr. Facilier

Who knows, maybe they're the same character

That’s exactly what happened in the Golden Films version, as the Poison Apple had two visual sides where the rotten part isn’t poisoned, but the shiny part is; she cut the apple in half, eats the rotten half, and gave the shiny half to Snow White. BTW, I realized the design of the “peddler woman” in that version looks a lot like the Sea Hag from Popeye, in addition on their version of Snow White looking more like Ariel with Raven-Hair.

I just assumed she developed an immunity to iocane powder. Sorry, wrong franchise. 😁

@@mxplixic That's Princess Bride.

This video has nothing to do with Cinderella.

@@disneyrules7808 He mentioned it in the video which is why I brought it up

@@NakanoMiku-chan-z2m Okay.

Agreed - Walt himself acknowledged at least once that Cinderella was a more developed and realized character than Snow White was. I do think that Snow is sold short very often (although very cheery she does show a wide range of emotions and personality traits). But to say that Cinderella didn't have a personality would be just flat out incorrect lol

@@jamestyler7697 Fun Fact: Snow White and Cinderella are the only two Disney Princesses to be orphans.

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The sentence: *BURIED ALIVE!*

Gruntilda from Banjo-Kazooie taking a more smart and practical approach and just deciding to steal said fairest in the land’s beauty for herself while transferring her own ugliness to them, unfortunately she never seems to catch on that using a beauty transferring machine at full power before the bear and bird intruding in her lair lose all their lives or choose the save and quit option would be a smarter thing to do!

I think that would be great as well, especially in the couple stage adaptations we got. The closest thing we have to an actual song was in the Disneyland stage show from the 80's where she had sort of a rock-type song? It was weird. Pre-Little Mermaid Disney movies didn't have the Broadway feel in general. Even the Sherman Borthers songs, although great, weren't always that theatrical. Often, there was one big "showstopper" number in the movies (but not always), and the rest of the songs were just sort of weaved in and out.

I wish Disney had written the Queen to seem less erudite... She seems like a poorly cast actress; she obviously would be more convincing as Jadis, or Evanora, than as herself.

I wish Disney made a direct to video sequel to Snow White, and who knows if they got a good script and good writers, the film would’ve been actually pretty good if that happened

@@ColinLooksBack if you ever do another villain retrospective cleanup, I’d like to see ol’ Grimhilde get some attention for Mother’s Day. Why? Well, there’s been some fanart over a what-if idea of the Queen being nice to Snow White. Although Nice is not exactly good, her being a nice person wouldn’t be as ungrateful as the pettiness of Hal from Megamind. Anyways, besides meet and greets that people took footage of (as the depiction varies from m&g actor to m&g actor) there was a book where Snow White and the Queen tell their two sides of the story, with Snow White telling the movie narrative from her point of view, and the Queen telling a sort of AU narrative, where the Queen turns out to be a Health Nut that wanted what's best for Snow White; later on in the Queen’s narrative, the whole Apple thing was hand-waved as gossip, and that the Queen didn't use a potion to turn into an ugly woman, but that she wished to see Snow White again, have a friendly conversation with her, and was giving the Apple to teach Snow White to eat healthy, which was barely touched upon in Snow White’s narration with chores and cake, but nothing much about health was ever brought up afterwards, while the Queen’s narrative goes into great detail about it. You can find these particular scans at FanPop, as that is where I found out about Disney making an official product catering to the audience that wanted a Snow White/Grimhilde dynamic; you can even read what was written in those narratives, as it's more elaborate than I would be. It is one of the rarest examples of Snow White and the Queen actually having some sort of social connection that was never part of the movie's narrative (outside of the “Mizerabel” disguise; and yes, I said Mizerabel, because the disguise was given a name in “Castle of Illusion”, and the remake made it look more like the original movie Hag design). Honestly, given the multitude of remakes that change narrative (much like fairy tales of old, given the Queen was meant to be Snow White’s birth mother originally, but later changed to stepmother in editions prior to the Disney film), sometimes a change can be a good thing, if given the right elements to compliment the new direction; while it would be hard to find a new villain to stand in for this type of change, we can still think of something of a better future in storytelling. Besides, the “My Side of the Story” depiction of Grimhilde makes Mei Lee’s relationship with her mom look toxic. Sidenote 1: In the aforementioned Snow White children's book, the Queen gave herself a spa treatment, which reminds me of a scene from "Mirror Mirror", a non-Disney adapted Snow White movie, which features Nathan Lane, the voice of Timon who played a Servant of the Queen. Sidenote 2: Remember the Huntsman who was named Humbert in the promotional material? Well the "My Side of the Story" Queen narrative gave him the generic name "Brad". So it's "Bradley Humbert" I guess. Also, unlike the Movie Queen, this AU Queen is more forgiving of old Humbert here... guess even in this AU, Humbert is still unpunished.

true but in later years, villains in other movies did get their own songs.

It was a wasted opportunity, Terra could have fought both the Queen and the Mirror, Ven helps the Prince escape from some Unversed after bumping into the Queen in her disguise and Aqua help the Dwarfs to catch the Queen and help them against her attacks

That would of been awesome.

@@tonyparra8459 Admittedly, that’s one change I’d like to see for Snow White, since they changed the outcome for Sleeping Beauty with the Maleficent Movies.

@@robbiewalker2831 someone should write a letter to them about it. Also people do have different interpretations of things.

Someone should asks someone to make a recreation of the scene.

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Ayyyy, another TWST fan!

Nice! A Twisted Wonderland mention! Keep up the great work! I was slightly looking forward to seeing it be talked about in the video, but this comment well made up for it.

Yeah I was gonna mention this too!

Keshia Anders Yeah, the drawing even kind of looked like him. XD

I was just thinking about that

Perhaps, but the Disney version was not blessed with a rapping owl.

@@ColinLooksBack ugh that was rough I loved this retrospective though! I can't wait till you do Chernabog and Lady Tremaine and her daughters

@@ColinLooksBack 4:33 - 4:38: And Mizerabel (Castle of Illusion), don't forget that: static.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/3/36/Screenshot_2014-09-25-13-37-59.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141218173310

One great improvement Disney’s version has over the original story is Snow White’s age. Her being 7 years old makes no sense. No one would ever compare a child’s beauty to a grown woman’s - it’s like apples and oranges. A little girl is beautiful in a cute, innocent, little-girl way, whereas a grown woman is beautiful in a mature, desirable, sexy way. You would never put a 7-year-old girl and an adult woman in the SAME beauty pageant, for example. It’s just such a weird comparison. That’s why I think it makes much more sense for Snow White to be older, a girl just at the point of entering womanhood (in my mind, she’s 16 or 17 not 14). I think THAT’S when her beauty would become an actual threat to the Queen, something to be jealous of, because that’s the age when her beauty would start to attract the attention of men. It just makes more sense to me.

@@strongrex2615 I think that the Evil Queen saw Snow White would be more beautiful that her by Snow White's description by the Magic mirror Black hair as Ebony Lips red as a rose And Skin white as Snow With only 14 years old imagine how beautiful would be her as 18 years old Also she was cute,charming,hardworking, resiliant and maternal so everyone would be by her side instead of the Evil Queen

@@javierjuarez9761 Right. Snow White has always had that description. But my point still stands that no one would compare her beauty to her stepmother's until she was of marriageable age, where she would attract the attention of men.

@@strongrex2615 Actually, about Snow White trying to get men’s attention at a younger age rather than an adult age? the Queen’s reason to kill her is so despicable, the RU-vid Censors won’t allow me to explain the full truth. Although it can’t be as bad as an old king impregnating a princess while she’s in a coma.

Yeah the Grims changed quiet a few evil mothers to evil step mothers because a bad mother was a concept that really didn't set well with them.

YAAS! She’s the best voices for them today! For live action, I enjoy the OUAT Evil Queen aka Regina way better than the Descendants one. I like Kathy Najimy, I just don’t like her portrayal as Evil Queen in the Descendants franchise. I wish the actress that played Evil Queen from OUAT would play her in the franchise. Or Susan Blakeslee herself could maybe.

Here's how i would see the villainesses' casts: Queen Grimhilda - Louise Seamus Lady Tremaine - Suzanne Blakeslee Maleficant - Louise Melton Cruella - April Winchell

That would be a great film to cover when we get to the Black Cauldron.

After hearing Colin saying OUAT didn’t catch his attention, it’s best we leave him at that. Too much detail and deviation.

I'm probably going to cover Pixar villains, yes. :)

@@ColinLooksBack quini

@@ColinLooksBack 1:29: Heart, Lungs and Liver... If they were from a Sheep instead of a Wild Pig, the Queen would've added the Sheep's Stomach to make a Haggis.

In a long time.

Walt Disney himself said that he considered Cinderella's character an improved version of Snow White.

I enjoy Snow White's character as a first attempt at a full length princess character. Cinderella is definitely an improvement character wise. To me both of them are enjoyable in their own way. Now princess Aurora on other hand was pretty bland and forgettable. Pretty much rinse and repeat of the previous two. It could be because the movie's main focus was the three fairies

@@lisaadams693 Or that the Sleeping Beauty thing was adapting from Charles Perrault’s take on the story, since one of the older takes involve a king impregnating a princess while she’s still in a coma. In Snow White’s case, I’d argue Snow White is indeed a fun character to hang out with, since she is optimistic about her situation. She’s like “Oh, I’m cleaning the castle? No problem, hard work is it’s own reward.” True, she was scared when going through the forest, but I’d like to imagine that the truth about the Queen wanting to kill her has overwhelmed her emotions to the point of seeing trees as monsters, and then later cry when it was too much for her to handle.

I see a lot in snow white, she's sassy and has humour, assertive in the best way, takes initiative and is brave. Even in the forest scene, she's scared but faces her fears and pushed on, finding out her fears were not what they seemed, which can speak for life, not all of life situations, but say a person needing to step out of their comfort zone in order to mature and grow. But even so, snow isn't a perfect person, her flaws have her being ignorant and uninformed which makes sense in how she grew up. Her flaws cause her to nearly die, but her Kindness, bravery and ability to take initiative is what keeps her alive and more safe. There may be many characters who have more personality than snow, but so many people undermine how much character she does have and how brave she really is. Bravery comes in many forms, not just being a hero in action or standing up to people above you, or preaching. Snow was brave with her ability to face her fears and smile while doing it, to live her life as if there was no danger when her assumed stepmum wanted to off her. She danced through life not knowing her fate, just enjoyed living the moment. To me, THAT'S brave

TBH both Snow White and Cinderella are much better characters than people want to give them credit for.

Perhaps in her Queen form she feels she needs to be proper .

@@nicholassims9837 I actually like the explanation Colin gave, how she feels the need to be reserved and act regal in her Queen form, but in her hag form, she can be free to let lose and really act out on her evil impulses.

I think it’s funny how younger generations find the Queen too simplistic and yet she’s arguably the most interesting of all the bad guys.

@@BadGuyRants I want to argue with you on this one but I don’t for the life of me know whether to categorize myself as one of the older generations or as one of the younger ones Is it wrong to feel old at 22?

Or bisexuality, clearly.

I think it effected her psychologically and her strength. because her behavior and demeanor changed as an old woman, she was no longer reserved and poised she was more unhinged and quirky. also she was able to run up a cliff and almost push a boulder down to the drwaves so I think it effected her strength but not that much, could be since she was in a life or death situation the adrenaline kicked in. the idea of her not being completely dead after the fall could be true give the horror on the dwarves faces as they looked down and it would be an even darker way for her to go if the vultures ate her while she wasn't completely dead yet.

To me the potion didn't "transform" her into a hag; it revealed her true self.

Worse how? Because biology? In both scenarios the queen is still taking a parental role

Who, in the original book was actually a mouse, given a justifiable reason to not be called a rat because of his name; compared to the Disney version, who is indeed a rat, and hate it when others like Bartholomew and Basil say it out of spite.

awwwww... that's so sweet of her...

He was also married to and had a kid with Jessie and one of the manga.

Wow, interesting...

@@fernandogamez7463 it's the honest truth. go watch it on his film theorists channel.

Also known as "Belladonna" or beautiful woman in Italian, a very fitting name

@@wickedfeylady Atropa Belladonna is the scientific name of deadly nightshade. which it's effects are negated if the juices were mixed with activated carbon such as in the case of snow white, coal dust from the dwarves' diamond mine diamonds are a more concentrated form of carbon.

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The falcon of Shan Yu from Mulan is called Hayabusa

Ah yes, the Cannon Movie Tales. Have you ever seen Shelley Duvall's Faerie Tale Theatre? It was a made-for-cable series in the 1980s--each episode was an hour-long retelling of a famous fairy tale. I can't remember who played the Queen in that one, but the mirror was played by Vincent Price. :-)

@@jenniferschillig3768 sounds awesome, I just looked it up and it's on youtube. I will be watching it.

@@jenniferschillig3768 Vanessa Redgraves