A Franchise Reborn - Sabres Trade Savoie For McLeod 

Oilers fan here. You’re getting a good one here Sabres fans. McLeod is a very fast, incredibly responsible defensive forward. He was a key part of the best penalty kill in playoffs history this year. His offence as it stands leaves a bit to be desired, but he has all the tools to be effective if he can put it all together. He’s 24 and has plenty of upside. The Oilers are in win now mode so it makes sense that they wouldn’t want to wait for him to develop further and with us resigning Henrique, there was no place for him on a team that is very deep at center. You may have overpaid a bit, but in a vacuum McLeod is an excellent addition to any team. Best of luck this season, treat Clouder well!

Mcleod’s positives: Arguably the fastest player in the NHL. He was on a center heavy team. He is a defensive zone face off specialist.Forces turnovers. 97th percentile in defensive statistics. That is elite Selke material..Savoie has been passed by Benson and Kulick. We now have five first round forward prospects in the pipeline if you include Benson. This team has to overpay to get what they need. How many 5 foot 10 inch forwards do we need after all.

This has lindy ruff written all over it, Lindy knows what hes doing

Why does everyone love Savoie so much? He's been in the Sabres' system two years, and played one NHL game - and then got hurt. Sabres got a fast skater with actual NHL and playoff experience.

I like the deal for us, trust me my fellow sabres fans you’ll love McLeod. He’s fast as lightning. I live in Edmonton and watched all the oiler games and sometimes I’d mistaken McLeod for mcdavid, solely on speed and skating style.

Here’s my thoughts. Mcleod has upside and he’s a solid NHLer already. He’s lightning fast. Savoie has performed at the WHL level very well but there’s no guarantee it translates to the NHL. My concern with Savoie is that he’s small, which is fine, but he’s been hurt a few times already. Maybe our staff feared injury-proneness? What intrigues me is the 22yo who was thrown into the trade from EDM. Time will tell but I like this trade

For my money, Savoie became somewhat expendable once Buffalo drafted Benson the following year. Part of rebuilding is to trade some of the picks and prospects in order to help the immediate team. And Buffalo did that. McLeod is a big and fast two-way center that immediately slots in as the 3C, where Savoie is a high end prospect, but is still unknown at this point. And Savoie has shown later in the season he really cools off when the games get tougher. Whereas McLeod just played in 24 NHL playoffs games on the second best team in the league. I like this trade for Buffalo!

Great trade. Savoie had no route onto our squad for years unless Kulich, Ostlund, Helenius, and Wahlberg got moved. Passed by our last two 1st rounders. Passed by both 1st rounders taken after him in the same class. Still small and fragile. Least professional experience of all our A prospects, and second oldest. Second lowest of our A level prospects for a young, fast, defensive 3C with upside on an RFA. And an extra asset. Beautiful bit of business.

I kinda feel that in the draft there is a player like Savoie every year to pick. I don't want to bash him and wish him all the luck in Edmonton but McLeod is just what the doctor ordered for this team, right now.

I actually think this was a good trade.

In my opinion, a fair trade for both teams. Edmonton gets to offload some salary and get a good prospect. Buffalo gets an elite skater who is very good defensively and can step right in and play. McLeod definitely needs to work on his finishing game and forechecking game, but if he can get those going, he will be a very good player for you guys.

He was acquired more for defense than offense. Adams said he wanted to improve the bottom-6 and he has done that, at least on paper. Even without Savoie, the Sabres still have a strong prospect pool including several good forwards. You aren't getting a top-6 forward for a prospect, especially a smaller one. People need to calm down.

McLeod is in the 100th percentile of speed. All the free agents that Kevyn Adams signed are all in the 90s.

As an oilers fan, I’ll be sad to see McLeod go. However, cap space needed to be cleared. I know some Buffalo fans are a little upset about the price that was paid; however, know you are getting a great player. One thing that I don’t see mentioned to much is McLeod is a young player with roughly 10 rounds of playoff experience. That experience alone is valuable. No doubt that he will play a role in pushing Buffalo to making the playoffs in future years!

Roam we needed a 3C and as much as it hurts giving up Savoie. You can get a Savoie in every draft and who knows if he even becomes a NHLer. McLeod is only 24 years old 6'3 extremely fast with RFA rights next off-season. Losing Savoie doesn't hurt as much with the draft we had. This trade also tells me Savoie was not viewed that high and Savoie got past by Kulich, Ostlund, Konsta, Benson who took his spot.

Size and Speed...things we lack. Enuff of smallish forwards.

Savoie is 20 and stands 5'9. Let's be honest, at that age/size he is NOT a "high end" prospect, he's a bit of a risk. Lots of 5'9 guys light it up in juniors or the minors, few make the NHL, so he's still got something to prove. Clouder is a responsible third line penalty killer with wheels. Throw in Ty to grease the wheels a bit. Why the trade? Sabres need to responsibly build salary, Oilers need to dump salary. This trade serves both teams equally.

Speed, defense, and size in a 3C will that play in the NHL from day 1. I think it'll work out. (Zucker is fast also, might be something Ruff wants to focus on).

There was no place in the line up for Savoie. So i guess the trade makes sense. Would have got a 3rd or so to sweeten deal though.

My only upside from him is he was on that Edmonton team that didn't quit and fought till the end. We need that kind of energy.

Congrats on becoming a grandfather Wayne! All the very best! This will be an interesting season no matter what this year!

Analytically McLeod is 50% in offense and 97% in defense. Also not sure where he falls in but after the trade I saw we have so far in this offseason the 2,4,22,and 42 fastest skaters in the NHL. My numbers could be wrong but it was close to that.

Good Deal Sabres 🔥 🤝

A Tim Murray type of trade. I'm surprised Adams didn't throw in a first round pick.

Fastest player in the league is what I'm hearing

Maybe Savoie also requested a deal?? Who knows? Oilers fan here. But McLeod is a great back end player and very defensive disciplined. He’s proven himself. If Savoie does turn out to be very good I think this is maybe a 60/40 deal leaning Edmontons way. Right now it’s a 45/55 I think buffalos way.

Joe from Locked on Sabres (by watching video of him) liked McLeod's speed, ability to chase down players & steal the puck (Joe mentioned a shift vs Matthews) & his exclusive defensive face-offs. He was basically the Oilers #5C after they resigned Adam H. McLeod is signed for $2.1mil x 2 more RFA years. He is ready to step into the #3C role & is currently cheaper than Mitts with more size & speed. Wayne GMKA had to give up something to get McLeod. The drafting of Helenius more than likely made Savoie more expendable. Now knowing his 11% shooting % is another plus. Maybe he will blossom more in Buffalo.

GM Adams knows this coming year is playoffs or unemployment. All chips in, as best as he can given it's difficult to get players to come here. That's his fault too. Adams should have fired Granato in the first week of December 2023 last season. He could've saved last season by intervening. Adams could've hired Lindy as soon as Jersey let him go. Instead: The Granato/Okposo led Sabres stood by with Okposo organizing a feud with the fans (who pay his salary), while watching Detroit and the Islanders make the playoffs. How's that for leadership? That's on the GM. I believe that General Managers have to be active and lucky to be successful. Here's hoping Adams gets this move right. Go Sabres!

I was shocked at first but after looking at his size 6’3”, defensive stats, faceoffs, penalty kill, and 2nd fastest skater in the league, I’m extremely pleased and glad to see other people here see it too. Our bottom 6 will be FAST and far tougher. We will suffocate teams with our 4 lines. We can’t look at stats one dimensionally. We are going to keep a lot more pucks out of our net this year!

Benson made Savoie expendable. Along with him being very undersized.

McLeod is lightning in a bottle. But needs to finish checks and put the puck in the net. Hopefully Lindy will fix that.

He’s the fastest player in the league, if you look at the make up of the bottom 6 we’re gonna be super fast team up and down the lineup with the addition of physicality is gonna be nice to see. Buffalo has to overpay to get anything done for the simple fact no one wants to come here, and let’s be honest there was really no room for Savoie in the lineup being pushed out by benson and Kulich but then we drafted Heleneius it made Savoie expendable. It was a good hockey trade.

In six months, we'll know for sure if we made a smart deal.

I think it’s a good trade for the Sabers to make an immediate impact. We need it now.

Savored is another smurf, wish him well! Sabres are getting tougher, we shall see if it works...😮

Great trade for the Sabres. Anytime you can get a known commodity for a relatively unknown, you've made a good deal.

A real head scratcher, if they had given up Savoie for a piece that got someone that scores more, like Necas, it would be different. I was thinking that it was strange that so many of the best prospects weren't at the prospect camp, maybe this was a part of it. I'm okay with Jokiharju, he has improved.

McLeod is a hard working, smooth skater who can play 3rd line center or top 6 wing. Most of his points were 5v5, he could produce more if given some PP time. Basically, a discount Ryan Nugent-Hopkins.

he's fast. he makes an impact even if he doesn't score. good move adams. Lindy player.

Put McLeod with the right people and he's a 40 to 50 point player. Last year Draisaitl with McDavid on his line was 4.89 goals per 60. Draisaitl with McLeod and Foegele was at 4.97 goals per 60. There's definitely a player there.

Adams knows, he has to get this team to the playoffs this year. If he doesn't, he'll be following Meatballs out the door imo. That said, he's sitting on a pile of prospects. Someone had to go. Savoie couldn't crack the line-up in the 2 years since he was drafted. Plus, he's already suffering injuries. Wise move if you ask me...

It's not that Ryan McLeod won't help the Sabres as a 3rd line center, but trading away a top prospect like Savoie to get him wasn't a very smart move on Adams part... In my honest opinion, the Oilers would've accepted a couple of our 3rd round prospects from last year's draft in exchange for McLeod, as the Oilers were looking to trade him anyhow due to being a salary cap casualty... Seems to me that Adams wasn't being patient enough this time around when making this trade... I suppose only time will tell soon enough if this was the right move for the Sabres?

I was initially shocked, but we'll have to see how it goes. I think when we drafted Helenius it made Savoie a bit more expendable. Other sources are saying Mcleod is more NHL ready (He played a good amount for Edmonton) I'm sure Savoie will shine but it may not be as soon as we needed. Time will tell.

This guy seems to be fast according to everyone’s comment and wasn’t Savoy injured a lot and did he not refuse to play in Rochester I think the deal is OK

This seems like a prospect for a NHL ready player.

Edmonton gained some much needed cap space with the trade. That was the point of this exercise.

The reason your friend Abe likes the move is 1.) the pliers have what may be the best set of centers in the league they don’t need McLeod . 2.) they now don’t have to sign McLeod and they get Savioe on a entry level contract .3) the pliers have a poor prospect pool. Savioe easily becomes the best they have . However Sabres need to make playoffs this year . Savoie is still 2 or so years away form playing in the NHL we don’t have time while the oliers do . Also while you loved Savoie he got passed by Benson . And Jiri Kulich looks more ready than savoie at this point. Plus we have Östlund , Rosen , and Wahlberg all right in line to be the next guy . We have to many forwards that are right on the brink of being ready . We don’t need savoie

I think picking Helenius in this year’s draft might have been a sign. Otherwise, we should have gone with a defensemen since Jokiharju, Byram, and Clifton are unknowns in the near future.

I looked up the analytics. He's rated a 100 on speed. Basically the fastest skater in the NHL.

Prospect….from the Latin, meaning “hasn’t done anything yet” Helenius is a better Savoie. How many years will we wait for all of our future HOF inductees to actually ,y’know, earn a bottom 6 role?

Oilers fan from Edmonton here. I’ve followed McLeod since he was drafted and I’m happy to answer any questions about him. I think one thing that is being missed is he is a legit NHL player right now, and his numbers are pointing up. To compare to the NFL: getting McLeod is like drafting a LT in the first round. Get a good one and you don’t have to worry about the position for 12 years. I think that’s what McLeod does for you as a third line centre. I would suggest trying to sign him to an 8 year / ~$2.5-3M AAV contract now, and you won’t be worried about the position for a long time. His defensive metrics are already very good, and if they keep improving (and they should) by the time he’s 27 this is the kind of player you can’t trade for. He doesn’t currently fit Edmonton’s Win Now mode, but he should be a perfect fit for the Sabres peaking in 2-3 years.

Get excited Wayne - this move is all about replacing Krebs and in the process making him expendable. He hasn’t signed yet and is not listed as going to arbitration. I’m all but certain Krebs is going to get moved and it’s going to be to the Flyers in a package for Joel Farabee (they have interest in Krebs and this rumor has been around a while). Farabee was coached by Sabres assistant Seth Appert. He grew up in Syracuse as a Sabres fan and played for the junior Sabres. He fits the bill for a top 6 winger and at age 24 has upside. He is pretty much Alex Tuch 2.0 (just different playstyle), a good player who wants to be in Buffalo I think the only thing holding this trade up is the package for Farabee. Buffalo probably wants to give up Krebs+futures (Rosen and picks ideally) But I think Briere is after Mattias Samuelsson, he is exactly what the Flyers need and his trade value is similar to Farabee. They see him as expendable given Buffalo added Byram and wants to give him a contract also I’m trying to temper my excitement/expectations, but I think this is in the works. It makes sense for both teams and the Sabres definitely have discussed Farabee at length given the ties and what he brings offensively. He’s also nothing like Skinner - Farabee can play anywhere in your lineup and brings more than just scoring (a friend of mine a big Flyers fan told me exactly that, he also doesn’t want to lose Farabee he loves him)

With the glut of forward prospects, Savoie was expendable after his junior teammate in Benson jumped him on the depth chart and took hold of an NHL spot. Savoie would've been possibly ready in three years, assuming he doesn't continue to get hurt and jumped by guys on the depth chart both in junior and the pros. How many times over the years have we overhyped a prospect and they ended up being nothing? We still have Kulich, Rosen, Ostlund, Wahlberg, etc to be hopeful in. Where are all of these guys playing in the lineup? We can't dress 20 forwards. The way I see it, we traded a coin flip for a proven NHL player in a role that the sabres desperately needed help in. Was it an overpay? Probably, but not as much as a lot of people are saying.

Hey Wayne, victor olofsson reunited with Jack Eichel he’s gonna go off next year for us . Has a down year but will rebound with us!

All thats needed to know is he was called up, benched and buried in the farm before we traded him. We dont know the back and forth the player and organization. If there were no red flags with savoie we wouldnt have dealt him.

What I've heard from other sources.. He's fast.... very fast. Savoie right now seems steep... but really his size was always going to be an issue in Lindy's system. We'll have to see how this one turns out... yeah, on paper I'm skeptical.

I like mcleod’s game. I understand Savoie was buried in the depth chart but wish we could have seen some of the prospects develop together in Rochester to see how they pan out in a year. I just feel like we could have landed McLeod for a 2nd? If you want to overpay give up future picks as our current pipeline can hold us for 2-3 years down the road. Adams landed a 3C but seems like an overpay, head scratcher really.

Buff got the better deal, sad to see MacLeod go, passed draft picks that are soaked are just so over hyped most times, believe that oiler fans know that. 🤔🤔

According to NHL metrics, McLeod is the fastest player currently playing the game (he’s ranked as 100 percentile for speed)

Every person has their own opinion. How it will play out only time will tell.

I am lost too.. Lindy Ruff dismantling our Sabres. It's a mediocre rebuild to put the Sabres in the middle of the pack as a first or second round bow out in the playoffs... Till Ruff retires and we can start over again...

Short term deals probably to leave it open for guys to move up the pipeline. 5 first rd prospects still in line to move up even without Savoie.

So we have been acquiring a roomful of lawn ornament sized skill players (Collect The Whole Set!) and Savoie has spun his wheels while Rosen and Kulich and Ostlund have gone by in better competition overseas. Add Helenius and he is expendable. Enjoy the Western Conference,little buddy 😮

I mean it's an overpayment but it's Buffalo and it's not that drastic of an overpayment once you look at his advanced stats and all Savoie has done is lightly beat up on younger players than him which isn't his fault but when you have Kulich, and Ostlund putting up points against men and having the performances at worlds that Savoie has had the opposite. But I do agree if you move a player that high in your prospect pool it should and usually is a part of a package to fill a spot higher in your lineup. But this is where we're at. We also just drafted Helenius who might be as skilled with the puck or better, more well rounded, and more NHL ready than Savoie. We still have a top 3 prospect pool without Savoie, and I also think there still has to be another move in the works moving either Greenway or Krebs. I don't think the roster has room for both of them anymore especially if we add to the top 6.

Oilers fan here. Good defensively and he should score 20 goals with his skill. Issue we had is he is as physical as a rag doll. Those 65 hits you mentioned were a typo. Couldn’t have been more than 6.

Good trade for Edmonton. McLeod is a regular season guy, not even close to being a playoff impact player. Which is why Jackson traded him. McLeod panics with the puck when a truck is coming towards him and causes brutal turnovers. McLeod was a terrible centerman. He loves perimeter hockey which is why he was a far better winger. If Buffalo acquired McLeod as their 3rd line center Buffalo is in for a rude awakening. Bottom line is McLeod is terrified of getting hit and going into the dirty areas. The Oilers have no time and no room on the roster for players like that. But we'll take Bedard 2.0's all day long. Thanks for Matt Savoie. The dude will be a scoring beast playing with McDavid and Draisaitl. Sorry Buffalo, you got fleeced.

This is a little fish move setting up for a Big fish move, it will all make sense and if you look at it down the road as a package for the Big fish 💡

McLeod is fast but he’s a perimeter player….he stays away from the tough areas which is why he sat some games in the playoffs

i've been a Sabres fan for over 25 years and I have no plans to abandon my team, but sometimes they make decisions that just frustrate me so much pretty much everyone is laughing at us

My immediate reaction was being underwhelmed but who knows, hopefully it works out for us.

We got a top five defensive player last year late. They need to get some offense and the Ford we got from the Islanders is fast. Which will make our third line much faster. Have a problem with goaltending and scoring especially if Thompson don't get scoring

It’s either Lindy twisting Adams arm or its a panic move to get a guy to help make the playoffs and save Kevin’s job.

Does Krebs even have a spot in the starting 12 now? Or has he been bumped to Olofsson's 13th forward spot?

With Savoie’s injury history, in a far softer league than the NHL, and actually injured in development camp( not a place where anyone is told to go out there and light someone up )… this is actually a risky trade for EDM. Savoie has to change how he plays if he’s gonna make it in the show. If he tries to dangle through people like he did in the WHL in the NHL… he’s gonna fuckin die. We saw a far more talented player, Conner Bedard come in and break his jaw less than halfway through the season. If Savoie stays healthy, he’ll be electric. But right now that if is a lot bigger than most people realize.

The guy (McLeod) can win FOs consistently and is a good defensive forward, enough said. I dont care we gave up a high end undersized forward, we have plenty of those. Sabres fans are crying cuz thats all we know how to do these days. 👍👍

Was Savoie injury prone? Too small? Would have liked to see him play with Benson, as in Luce/Ramsey? Give me Mattews for Power.

We shall see

You can say it was an overpay, but no one knows what other teams were offering....you have to pay what the market is

McLeod immediately makes the PK better, he is solid at center, has more grade A chances for then against and is fast. We like him it Edmonton, but at this point he was the odd man out. If we weren't over the cap he would still be an Oiler. He also played on the second line wing a few times with Drai, wasn't his best look, but wasn't a fish out of water.

Savoie was falling down our prospect list, not even top 5 and we used him to replace Mitts. Roam, Savoie anit your type of guy, what did you like about him? Who does he remind you of from the past?

A very good trade. Gotta get rid of these prospects and get players

I think Helenius replaced Savoie in the prospect pool. Seems more nhl capable. Mcleod is the need now. They are under pressure to win this year. Savoie wouldnt help that.

This hurts 😭

Came back to see this video after seeing your rant going after all the "Negative fans" for saying exactly what you did here!!! 😂😂😂Love the channel but come on man, going after fans for saying the exact same things you went off on in a video here.

Adams paid to much for Beck Malenstyn also. Could have used that pick maybe to get Chicrymn

McLeod is a Bottom 6 player on a weak team. Bottom 9 on a good team. Good for 10-12 goals. Decent on the dot and the PK. 6'3 but soft, won't go in the hard areas. Super fast but most of his goals he's last guy in the zone, waiting for everyone else to do the hard work and cleans up garbage. Likeable kid with an infectious smile. Oilers gave him every opportunity to succeed. He even spent a big chunk of time as Draisaitl's winger. Just doesn't seem to have much drive. He had more ice time in the playoffs than Janmark Brown and Henrique. They needed to clear capspace and it's clear he reached his ceiling and he's easily replaceable by Holloway who they called up for the playoffs. Or any number of prospects. And they're hungry to be in the NHL. And though only 6'1 Holloway out hit McLeod 86 to 27 and had more goals and points and is fast too. Don't know what Savois ceiling is. But if its higher than 4th line center. Oilers won this trade. But does give the Sabres a serviceable NHL who can play right now.

It is so f****** hard be a fan of this team. You feel like when you get up you get kicked back in the teeth.

As a Leafs fan, I honestly feel for you guys.... this move is just so.... confusing? This just reeks of the Pegulas meddling in things they know nothing about... The Sabres desperately need a Beane GM who will tell the Pegulas to fuck off and just sign the cheques, until then... well... this is what you get

The Sabres have many prospects like Savoie (Kulich, Ostlund and Helenius but all 3 have more defensive play in their toolkit). Savoie is not given to be a top end prospect especially at his size and we need a 3rd line C right now and has Stanley Cup pedigree. Our bottom 6 looks so much better than it did before the season started, I really like what Adams has done so far. Ruff can definitely get us to the playoffs with these moves imo.

LOVE THIS TRADE AND WHAT ADAMS HAS DONE TO THE BOTTOM 6 ! FAST & TOUGH NOW . NO MORE SOFT & SLOW SABRES! Macleod is the second fastest skater in the league next to Mcjesus, great on faceoffs 50% win rate , good on the PK! 3rd line= Zucker or Benson, Macleod Greenway 4th line =Malenstyn Lafferty Aube-kubel- check.out their HIT totals and they are all FAST! Spare forwards- Krebs and Rousek Savoie got passed on the depth chart by Benson and Kulluch. Savoie needs at least 2 years in the AHL to develop. He better bulk up or he wont last. Remember he got hurt in last sept prospects tournament and at the WJC! Do you want a rookie to start at 3rd line centre!? You guys say make a trade bring in a 3rd line centre, well Adams did and Macleod is good! Remember folks you have to give up something to get something and the Sabres want to make the playoffs next season , with this lineup they will! I know alot about Tullio ! I watched a lot of his games when he was in Oshawa in the OHL. He reminds me of Dale Hunter or Claude Lemieux as hes a little ball of hate, he has tons of HEART, and he wont back down from anyone! He went after 6'6 Kevin Bahl when he was with Ottawa! This being said he will probably only be a good AHL player , his skating will hold him back . Resign UPL ( i hope UPL doesnt go to arbitration) , Malenstyn and krebs and we are all set! Ive already started chirping and trash talking my leafs Habs and Bruins fan friends !😊😊 Hope you feel better soon Grandad ! 😊 Question ..why is Samuelsson still on IR? ( cap friendly) Will he be ready for training camp and to start the season? Is this why Adams got Gilbert from Calgary and brought back Bryson ?

Why would you overpay for a player a team has to get rid of because of cap space. I haven't been this pissed since the Skinner signing.

He's the second fast player in NHL

I like McLeod but we gave up way too much.

I'm shocked Adams did what he did I don't get it and it hurts hopefully it works out great for us

Sabres overpaid big time. Oilers are in cap hell and all you had to do was wait if Ryan was your 3c guy.Sabres have all the cap space and could have waited until their asking priced dropped. Yes sabres have a ton of 1st rounders but Adams asset management was not good. I bet if you waited until August you could have got him for a 2nd round pick and a B rated prospect. Now if this were Leon coming to Buffalo witha new 7 year contract of 12 million per year then I'd expect Savioe to be going the other way but not for a 3rd line center!

McLeod like it's been said before is fast, he's as fast as McDavid. The only problem is he has Rico Fata's hands. He is a wallflower and shys away from the physical play. He needs more coaching defensively because he gets lazy and instead of finishing his check he will take a big looping turn away. He was a healthy scratch during the playoffs due to his lack of defensive awareness.

Yeah man, idk, it seems nuts, hope I'm wrong. 😔

Maybe they should have traded krebs for this guy

Hmmmmmm I'm not gonna wine ,I've heard this guy is good and has potential to be a good player I heard he's fast still waiting on Kev to get Crosby 😂 Get better Wayne !

You can't tell me we couldn't have gotten him for a 2 and a 3. Which still would be an overpay. I'm a strong KA supporter, but this was monumentally stupid. This is the kinda deal a GM makes when he is feeling the pressure. Even if he works out beyond what we expect, it is still STUPID. I've been saying for a while should be going after a stud (Leon, Sid......) , an overpay then makes sense then and now we have lost our biggest asset for that kinda deal. Maybe if we're lucky, there is a part two? Leon? I can dream.........