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A Guide to The Last Jedi (for the Star Wars Fan Base) 

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Come, fans and haters alike, for the first RU-vid video about The Last Jedi. See the film from a new perspective, laugh, and love, and if you disagree with me then we'll fight
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*I do not own any of the footage or music used in this video, nor anything anywhere else.
Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons" was performed by John Harrison with the Wichita State University Chamber Players.

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@Nerrel
@Nerrel 4 года назад
So it turns out The Rise of Skywalker wasn't great. Sorry, folks- my bad. You may carry on with your business. I've got a good feeling about Cats, though
@Nerrel
@Nerrel 4 года назад
In the theater now, can't wait fo... oh god... that's a human face. That's a human face on that cat. This is uncomfortably erotic and terrifying... Please make them stop and be normal. This is all wrong. Oh god, I'm sick, I'm freaking out, I'm freaking out, I'm freaking out, they won't let me leave the theater, I'm freaking out
@Virus-808
@Virus-808 4 года назад
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO In all seriousness I enjoyed the video regardless. It made me appreciate TLJ more but ultimately I think it was the wrong movie for this SW trilogy. We needed a trilogy which reinvigorated love and interest in the franchise, not something which was trying to be 2deep. Do that for a different story, not one which is supposed to be fun and have mass appeal. Out of all the descriptions for TLJ, "fun" is a word I've never heard used and that's a huge problem for such a kid-friendly franchise like Star Wars.
@ShippoFoxD
@ShippoFoxD 4 года назад
Good review Nerrel. Will wait for Neil Breen's interpretation: Dogs.
@nolandavis1129
@nolandavis1129 4 года назад
I disagree. I loved it and thought it was a great conclusion. The meaning of the prophecy is not about killing the Sith, but about having the dark side and light side coexist. Rey and Ben are the Dyad the prophecy was talking about. I love We were led to believe that Ben was the darkness and Rey was the light the prophecy spoke of, but in actuality it was the other around because Ben is the heir to the Skywalkers (light) and Rey is the heir to Palpatine (darkness). Having Rey be Palpatine’s granddaughter was not JJ apologizing for the Last Jedi it was him respecting Johnson’s vision while also creating the Balance. And at the end Rey and Ben come together to defeat Palpatine (who from The Phantom Menace to The Rise of Skywalker, is the reason why the darkside overweighs the light side) and now the darkness no longer overweighs the light and creates balance.
@Virus-808
@Virus-808 4 года назад
@@nolandavis1129 The problem is that Disney will want to continue this story. How are they able to do that if there's true harmony in the force? If it's just able to be disrupted again then how does that make this ending any different from ROTJ? It just feels like a more convoluted way of reaching a similar conclusion.
@hectorbaigessanchez
@hectorbaigessanchez 4 года назад
"The emperor doesn't get cloned" Man that aged quickly, and bad
@DDChorror
@DDChorror 4 года назад
He doesn't get cloned. He makes clones
@Tekaine
@Tekaine 4 года назад
@@DDChorror Then there should be an explanation on how he survived the death star explosion, not talking about the entity, but his body. You cannot survive a planet sized explosion and then tell me he dies because of force lightning.
@Devin_Art
@Devin_Art 4 года назад
@@Tekaine I think that's literally what they are telling you. lol, not that I agree. The movie is a mess.
@AlphaladZXA
@AlphaladZXA 4 года назад
@@Tekaine couldnt he also force teleport like Rey did in tros? That seems like what happened to me
@Tekaine
@Tekaine 4 года назад
@@AlphaladZXA Could be, but that power could also be limited to the force dyad, it's useless to think about this, the movie doesn't give 2 shits about making sense.
@KidAL0
@KidAL0 4 года назад
Can’t wait for the spin-off Snoke series that leads up to his Quinceañera
@DRnick2359
@DRnick2359 4 года назад
LOL !!!!
@samjames6714
@samjames6714 4 года назад
Yes, and we’ll discover that Snoke could never actually use the force, and used antique clocks as his source of power
@JJ-zr6fu
@JJ-zr6fu 4 года назад
Snoke was interesting and scary until he died. Palpatine should've never come and Kylo should've become the evil villain and not the will they won't they goth love interest.
@Ilikestarwars1245
@Ilikestarwars1245 3 года назад
@@samjames6714 YESSS every clock is powered by a kyber crystal just like the lightsabers
@kylemorello4787
@kylemorello4787 3 года назад
And his love of antique clocks!
@matti.8465
@matti.8465 3 года назад
...Holy shit that bit with the Vader hallway scene edited to be Luke aged spectacularly.
@ericsantucci6934
@ericsantucci6934 3 года назад
It's the only thing in this video that has.
@DanielFerreira-ez8qd
@DanielFerreira-ez8qd 3 года назад
@@ericsantucci6934 The only thing to age badly were his expectations of the third movie
@kirbyofthestarsfan
@kirbyofthestarsfan 3 года назад
The fact Disney's Star Wars is so easy to read what they can do next is laughable
@vintheguy
@vintheguy 2 года назад
@@kirbyofthestarsfan no, this was just an accident
@eugger3011
@eugger3011 2 года назад
I legit thought that he just used the scene from the Mandalorian at first until I saw the Darth Vader suit clearer.
@brunolinares604
@brunolinares604 4 года назад
"The souless corporate decision would have been to do easy fanservice" oof....
@glitchy000
@glitchy000 4 года назад
Oof, indeed.
@sickoslater
@sickoslater 4 года назад
HEY HEY HEY REMEMBER LANDO? REMEMBER PALPATINE?
@bakasta5992
@bakasta5992 4 года назад
2 YEARS LATER
@Wimikk
@Wimikk 4 года назад
I’ve seen a post on reddit that suggested just ignoring Rise of Skywalker and accepting TLJ as the final movie. I’m ok with that.
@sacredbeastzenon
@sacredbeastzenon 4 года назад
@@Wimikk Nah, I'd rather just retcon the ST.
@TheOriginalPoon
@TheOriginalPoon 4 года назад
It’s astonishing how TROS literally goes against everything this video was advocating for lol I would love to see a breakdown of TROS with this level of depth in the context of this video
@EliasSchnetzer
@EliasSchnetzer 4 года назад
It's because of the backlash from all the fans. JJ Abrams and Disney thought they needed to fix something that actually wasn't broken. They could have put TLJ into a better light with using its ideas and build on them (use the concepts this video explains). Instead episode 9 actually wants TLJ to look bad and the rest is filler action which does not feel like Star Wars AT ALL. It feels like a Transformer movie with Star Wars characters and Star Wars ships. The charm of Star Wars is completely missing. And in the end, the new Disney trilogy doesn't change anything. The universe is now the same as it were at the end of episode 6 and that's just sad. The idea that true balance of the force is only accomplished by getting rid of the Sith AND the Jedi would have been awesome and would've created new opportunities for new interessting stories.
@robh8156
@robh8156 4 года назад
How exactly does it go against it?
@mooniuploads9165
@mooniuploads9165 4 года назад
@@EliasSchnetzer maybe to have rey die (all the sith in palps area dead and all the jedi in her are dead) thus restoring balance - kylo takes up the yellow lightsaber with a new form of jedi with better philosophy and its balanced, not entirely light or dark but both
@EliasSchnetzer
@EliasSchnetzer 4 года назад
@@mooniuploads9165 yes that would have been a lot more interessting than the actual eding. i don't like that at the end rey lives again and kylo is dead. if rey were dead it would have had a much bigger impact in my opinion.
@mooniuploads9165
@mooniuploads9165 4 года назад
@@EliasSchnetzer mhm and kylo would've got a nice redemptive ending instead of the easy cheap death cop out. and a nice end to the skywalker saga instead of losing to manipulation and a palpatine taking their name lmao my other suggestion was to have rey turn to dark side and them both live but in the end take on yellow lightsabers together and have dark and light co exist
@CUSHYDEMON
@CUSHYDEMON 4 года назад
have we reached a pop-culture singularity where discussion surrounding the fandom expectations of massive brands like Star Wars is infinitely more interesting than the media themselves
@billbutton8468
@billbutton8468 4 года назад
Media discussion will always be just as good and entertaining as consuming media
@LordTactusMe
@LordTactusMe 3 года назад
I loved this movie and it’s truly a good one. But, as you can see, people ruin the media with their own hands.
@haruhirogrimgar6047
@haruhirogrimgar6047 3 года назад
That has been the case for a large variery of I.P.'s for a while now. Pokemon and Star Wars are the biggest examples I can think of.
@runekey
@runekey 3 года назад
its the sad reality of why my favorite movies I watch after the theatrical release at home but the ones i dont care for I see opening day in theaters. I dont need to see experimental films in theaters to be park of the conversation, the topic will still be alive and the movie unspoiled whenever i get around to it. But if you miss opening weekend of a star wars film youre totally out of the loop
@NicolaZetroc
@NicolaZetroc 2 года назад
Well said my friend. 👍🏿
@El_Andru
@El_Andru 4 года назад
For anyone asking where is The Rise of Skywalker guide. Remember, it has to be long enough for anyone to give a shit for Nerrel to make the video.
@Ixiah27
@Ixiah27 3 года назад
Easy, open bag, vomit.
@looppen9269
@looppen9269 3 года назад
@@Ixiah27 pour it over the OT and Georges legacy
@Ixiah27
@Ixiah27 3 года назад
@@looppen9269 Hm, sorry, but why damage good movies ?
@looppen9269
@looppen9269 3 года назад
@@Ixiah27 I mean't that thats what Jar Jar Abrams did
@desireheard3540
@desireheard3540 3 года назад
Well it is correct now
@dweep9546
@dweep9546 4 года назад
"The emperor doesn't get cloned" ~ George Lucas JJ Abrams would like a word...
@amycampseros4829
@amycampseros4829 4 года назад
Something something the entire Dark Empire series.
@CMGThePerson
@CMGThePerson 4 года назад
Chromanyx which is where that quote originated from
@matilozano96
@matilozano96 4 года назад
Well, it's Snoke that is a clone, technically. The emperor just survived the fall, lol
@CMGThePerson
@CMGThePerson 4 года назад
Mati Lozano he used force nailing it. Which we’ve seen in episode V when Luke falls down a shaft and lands on an extremely thin antenna. In the clouds. See? Force Nailing it.
@fcf8269
@fcf8269 4 года назад
@@CMGThePerson That is OK, how did he survive the explosion of the death star though :) Did he flew in space like mary poppins too?
@Melissa-tw2gp
@Melissa-tw2gp 4 года назад
Snoke’s Quinceanera is gonna be a great movie though. Can’t wait.
@luisrivera5476
@luisrivera5476 3 года назад
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@HonsHon
@HonsHon 3 года назад
@@luisrivera5476 ñ
@dearinfrontoftree8362
@dearinfrontoftree8362 3 года назад
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@TheGameCapsule
@TheGameCapsule 8 месяцев назад
I heard it was gonna be called Snokeceanera: A Star Wars Story
@bencawthon2610
@bencawthon2610 3 года назад
Well that one part where you put Luke’s face over the Vader hallway scene aged well....
@KnightThomash
@KnightThomash 3 года назад
First thing I though of after watching the episode
@thefilmrookie3099
@thefilmrookie3099 3 года назад
KThomash same
@chrisquinn3377
@chrisquinn3377 3 года назад
I enjoyed that scene but on second watch it's kinda whack it just falls flat and seems kind of shoehorned in, while luke is a bit too whiny in TLJ he really does have some great moments dropping nuggets of wisdom
@SOBEKCrocodileGod
@SOBEKCrocodileGod 3 года назад
@@chrisquinn3377 eh, it was a bit fanservicey but I felt it makes sense considering the in-universe time period. Luke has become a Jedi master and is presumably even more skilled at the force and lightsaber combat than before. Not only that, but this is the very early stage of the Jedi order’s comeback, so I imagine there wouldn’t be many other Jedi out there that Grogu could reach. I think JJ not having Luke show up when Han and Leia were suffering in TFA lead to Rian writing Luke the way he did. People blame Rian, but he was just trying to find a way to explain why Luke never came to help.
@deadlyfremen7447
@deadlyfremen7447 3 года назад
He’s destroying droids. Not killing people. So it’s not exactly the same I suppose 😂.
@Mbgengar
@Mbgengar 3 года назад
7:44 hits different after seeing the Mandalorian LMAO
@bebo2629
@bebo2629 3 года назад
But it does not really contredict anything TLJ said. This is who Luke was during that time. I was not hyped because it did not look that great and it said nothing about the character but it was not bad.
@matti.8465
@matti.8465 3 года назад
@@bebo2629 Of course, that's Luke in his prime and it's just as in-character...but you gotta agree it's hilarious how that exact thing happened.
@bebo2629
@bebo2629 3 года назад
@@matti.8465 It is!
@Deadwolf27
@Deadwolf27 3 года назад
I feel like it wasn't entirely unjustified. He was attacking droids in order to save a group of cornered people so it was in a way for defense. Truthfully I'm not sure what he could have done differently in that situation but that doesn't mean I'm excusing it altogether. I just felt it was a little more complicated than how we're saying it is. I still would have preferred something else and perhaps the writers could have just put them in a completely different situation where Like didn't have to come save them. Though then there's still the issue of resolving the child's plotline.
@spacecowboy3569
@spacecowboy3569 3 года назад
This aged like a fine wine
@MaxLoafin
@MaxLoafin 4 года назад
"Too Late, Who Gives a Shit" is now one of my favourite webseries
@dallaynavokan5513
@dallaynavokan5513 4 года назад
IKR?! Can't wait for the next ep! :D
@CTOOFBOOGLE
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 года назад
Ezra.allknowing could you explain to me the exact differences between a vacuum chamber and outer space?
@Stunnacrew87
@Stunnacrew87 4 года назад
Nicholas Brush if you read the article he excerpts in this video, it actually says you’d be unconscious within 15 seconds, and dead shortly after. He failed to mention that bit of information however, for....some reason
@CTOOFBOOGLE
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 года назад
BROTHER Ron how is that relevant to my comment?
@Stunnacrew87
@Stunnacrew87 4 года назад
Nicholas Brush well, I answered your question, thats how. You’d be dead much quicker in outer space
@bigbangaries
@bigbangaries 4 года назад
"it was so unoriginal that it doubled back on it's self and became original" might be the best and most accurate description of star wars I've ever heard
@orangedalmatian
@orangedalmatian 4 года назад
that actually kinda makes sense when you think about it. When someone pulls really hard from one or two influences, it can result in creative incest, so to speak. When you are being influenced by one particular thing it's extremely obvious and almost always comes off as a straight ripoff. But the more varying influences you pull from, the more you muddy the waters and diversify the creative gene-pool, thus getting closer to being more original the more you rip off from lots of different sources and mix and match all those influences together in new ways. If star wars was only pulling from classic Flash Gordon like originally intended it would have been a shameless ripoff, why would I watch this when I can just watch what it's so clearly inspired by? But by adding the influences of things like Taoism and Samurai culture to create things like the Jedi and Sith, as well as a lot of the WW2 and Nazi symbolism towards the Empire and the stormtroopers (and the rebel alliance to lesser extent). And so on and so forth, you pull from so many things that you end up with something that's completely distinguished from it's primary original inspiration, and from everything else as well.
@mario167100
@mario167100 4 года назад
That’s most original stories.
@user-gb7ji6xy5d
@user-gb7ji6xy5d 4 года назад
@@mario167100 Agreed. Creativity comes not through creating something from nothing, but through combining and rearranging preexisting things in a (good) way nobody has thought about before. That's what makes the Original Trilogy a masterpiece. It draws upon so many sources: Joseph Campbell, Akira Kurosawa, Old Western, Isaac Asimov (this one I'm not so sure but the first book of Foundation predated A New Hope by 30 years and I've heard rumors about Lucas' notion of a Galactic Empire being inspired by Asimov), "The Dam Busters," and nostalgic conventions from last-century TV shows where a doomsday device must be deactivated by the hero in a given time and such. And then Lucas blends them in a clever way and gives birth to something completely refreshing and engaging. They say that execution is all that matters, and Lucas does it right. What the Sequel Trilogy does is not at all a creative process. It's a joke. A pale mockery done by JJ Abrams, mixed with a "fuck you" vibe spread all over it like rat poison spread over a suicide vest's projectiles by no other than Ryan Johnson. There's nothing creative in the making of those two films, just...repetitions, plagiarism, crudely done imitations, and spite; and the result is naturally something that's anything but a piece of literary work.
@mario167100
@mario167100 4 года назад
@@user-gb7ji6xy5d Why do you think that the sequel trilogy sucks?
@user-gb7ji6xy5d
@user-gb7ji6xy5d 4 года назад
@@mario167100 Lack of taste, culture, and respect, plus bloated ego and political agenda. That's why.
@elidanielgomez3046
@elidanielgomez3046 4 года назад
“Inspired by the last Jedi to be bolder in his final film” wow has this not aged well post TROS
@sthubbins4038
@sthubbins4038 4 года назад
The butthurt fanboys made Kennedy pull back. So we get generic garbage. Thanks, guys.
@DanielBMS
@DanielBMS 4 года назад
@@sthubbins4038 Thank Warner Brothers for not warning them that this is a bad idea
@Virus-808
@Virus-808 4 года назад
@@sthubbins4038 Yeah it's the fanboys fault that they had so little faith in Rian's film and its ideas, not their own. Lmfao cope. It's almost like they didn't have a real antagonist to use for the end of their trilogy and had to make something climax-worthy out of nothing.
@montefisto
@montefisto 4 года назад
@@sthubbins4038 Yes, fanboys are the reason the sequel trilogy is shit, Kennedy is a visionary. (I know sarcasm doesn't translate well over text, so let me just clarify that I'm implying that your argument is... questionable, to put it nicely)
@Scroteydada
@Scroteydada 4 года назад
@@montefisto they mean episode 9. It just shits on episode 8 and coward in the corner trying not to piss off the fanboys. It's pathetic. Worst of the new trilogy.
@thehza2592
@thehza2592 3 года назад
"Watch a video of kittens playing and someone shitting on TLJ beneath it." I literally found this video due to someone linking it in a comment section for a video completely unrelated to Star Wars where a fight over this movie broke out
@platy4700
@platy4700 3 года назад
A fight broke out over Last Jedi? Send link
@DanielFerreira-ez8qd
@DanielFerreira-ez8qd 3 года назад
Please send a link dude I know it's been half a year but please find it
@DanielFerreira-ez8qd
@DanielFerreira-ez8qd 2 года назад
@@and8091 bruh
@calvinfranklyn5499
@calvinfranklyn5499 4 года назад
Well, 15 minutes in, and I now have all the Snoke backstory I'll ever need.
@michanowak7060
@michanowak7060 3 года назад
Snoke comes from the jar of snokes. Don't act like you wanted more.
@ellagage1256
@ellagage1256 3 года назад
But what about his quinceanera?! 😡
@calvinfranklyn5499
@calvinfranklyn5499 3 года назад
@@ellagage1256 We'll never know, now. Kylo Ren took that from us. 😭
@nicolaridolfi6510
@nicolaridolfi6510 Год назад
Snoke was a child that grew up and became an adult. Wow.
@jeskaisekai_6785
@jeskaisekai_6785 4 года назад
Myths are not made to sell action figures Perfection
@isaiahdavis9486
@isaiahdavis9486 4 года назад
True, but Porgs are.
@SineEyed
@SineEyed 4 года назад
@L1qu1d S1lenc3r yes, he certainly did. For all the kids at home reading this: what we can draw from this, is that Rian "Hasno" Johnson doesn't know wtf he's talking about..
@isaiahdavis9486
@isaiahdavis9486 4 года назад
SineEyed 2020 Star Wars isn’t a myth, it’s just a work of fiction inspired by myths. Rian wasn’t referring to Star Wars specifically. Sure, Rian as well as LITERALLY ALL FICTION was inspired off of myths. And even so, Disney isn’t going to not make action figures. George Lucas, on the other hand- yeah, no he’s in it for the toys. I don’t get why we all have to blame Rian for being a smart writer as well as just a Star Wars fan, like us.
@SineEyed
@SineEyed 4 года назад
@@isaiahdavis9486 your comment is so far from accurate it's not even funny.. 😞
@isaiahdavis9486
@isaiahdavis9486 4 года назад
SineEyed 2020 I assume that you disagree with “LITERALLY ALL FICTION” part, which was sort of a joke, but at the same time, I’m hard pressed just coming up with something that isn’t at least loosely based from fiction. If you disagree with something else in the comment then I am curious to know what else.
@conormassey6290
@conormassey6290 4 года назад
I sure as shit didn't like TLJ but this is an interesting and fair take and I fully intend on sharing it with the boys and hearing their thoughts. This is why im a fan of yours tho
@taylorpark3544
@taylorpark3544 4 года назад
I couldn't agree more. I'm learning to lose my religious zealot like attitude and appreciate more narratives and views.
@suaviant
@suaviant 4 года назад
What on earth was fair about one-sidedly accusing people who don't like TLJ of living in an echo chamber? Or the liberal use of strawman arguments? Or the convenient omission of counterpoints? I think the big words just confused you, guy.
@mphylo2296
@mphylo2296 4 года назад
Imagine thinking TLJ haters are some sort of oppressed minority. What a joke.
@suaviant
@suaviant 4 года назад
@@mphylo2296 Imagine thinking anyone thinks that.
@suaviant
@suaviant 4 года назад
@@jiijijjijiijiij I know right! I don't get what happened.
@stuff31
@stuff31 3 года назад
Sad nerrel noises when the emperor gets cloned, the becomes his granddaughter and basically all his other points are totally smothered
@GeneralKenobi75
@GeneralKenobi75 3 года назад
Sad everyone when that happened.
@chrisquinn3377
@chrisquinn3377 3 года назад
Literally ruined the entire saga
@Epiousios18
@Epiousios18 3 года назад
Most of his points are still valid, and the gist of the video is still correct.
@stuff31
@stuff31 3 года назад
@@Epiousios18 yes, but it must have bit to see all that wasted potential
@Epiousios18
@Epiousios18 3 года назад
@@stuff31 I'd agree. My gut tells me they should have just stuck with Colin Trevorrow. His ideas were much more original at the very least, but only time will tell how these stories will age. I think TRoS gets some of the overarching themes right. Especially from a world building point of view.
@ChannelStarface
@ChannelStarface 4 года назад
Rian Johnson: "Myths are not meant to sell action figures." Toys R Us: ...
@555elohwssa8
@555elohwssa8 4 года назад
But they came back
@ilikepigeons6101
@ilikepigeons6101 4 года назад
Toys r us, what did you expect?
@thetramp123
@thetramp123 4 года назад
So now he killed Luke AND Toys R Us! Why, Rian Johnson, Why?!
@TitusCastiglione1503
@TitusCastiglione1503 4 года назад
Wait Rian actually said that? For real?
@justajawausingwifi4642
@justajawausingwifi4642 4 года назад
@@TitusCastiglione1503 yes he did disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress.com/2018/03/19/rian-johnson-myths-are-not-made-to-sell-action-figures-as-toys-r-us-goes-out-of-business/
@Fooacta
@Fooacta 4 года назад
"It's disrespectful to parade them around for nostalgia's sake without moving them forward" *Cries in Dragonball*
@MonkeySpaceWalk
@MonkeySpaceWalk 4 года назад
Fooacta I love this joke and you. I feel seen.
@maxmuhr9249
@maxmuhr9249 4 года назад
Truth to power my man :D
@Fooacta
@Fooacta 4 года назад
@Jos Stupid? Always. Mediocre? ...Occasionally, yeah. Mostly after Cell though. Otherwise it's pretty awesome as a whole
@exquisitecorpse4917
@exquisitecorpse4917 4 года назад
@Jos The real reason it's popular is that there wasn't an easy way to get anime in the early-mid 90s....there was pretty much just DBZ and Sailor Moon. But a little switch clicked in a lot of peoples' heads: Japanese TV is different, and it's fcking interesting! That said, I've never liked Dragonball....the first anime that clicked with me was a bootleg VHS of Lain, but you had to "know a guy" to find that stuff. Now we have lots of anime, but no one can shut up about the first one they really loved (hence all 90s kids showering praise on a kind of mediocre anime)
@lukejones7164
@lukejones7164 3 года назад
@@exquisitecorpse4917 Dragonball was no one's first anime in Japan yet its most successful there.
@justaguy1212
@justaguy1212 4 года назад
I always thought Jedi jumping was done with the Force instead of super legs
@commandercaptain4664
@commandercaptain4664 4 года назад
That's just fanons trying to be bigger than that which they allegedly "love". Reject them.
@alathmasster2189
@alathmasster2189 4 года назад
cuz it is
@CTOOFBOOGLE
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 года назад
Alath Masster no it isn’t, shit is all made up
@kanalkucker14
@kanalkucker14 4 года назад
They do jump with the force
@petercarioscia9189
@petercarioscia9189 4 года назад
@@CTOOFBOOGLE galaxy brain response
@Jakura_Nuva
@Jakura_Nuva 5 месяцев назад
Hey, thanks for making this video. I've been on the fence about this movie since seeing it in the theater, with the positives always feeling matched or slightly overcome by my negatives. Years of circular discourse and certain popular video essays/reviews didn't really help. I don't know why it took me so long to watch this when I've been subscribed for awhile, but I'm glad I have. Covering Star Wars' storytelling history and the way fans tend to fixate on the wrong things before leading into how Rian Johnson carried the "big idea" forward while still trying to make something unique gave me a new appreciation for The Last Jedi's story; and the context of the Abrams films on either side puts it into perspective even more. If I had one "major" critique, it's that some of the commonly-lambasted scenes or moments you defend seem to be defended primarily on concept rather than execution - the biggest example for me being Luke throwing away the lightsaber. Not a problem at all in concept, but the context of the TLJ scene frames it as a comedy beat, and that's where it really falls flat for me. I didn't find it funny, just kind of awkward; and I'd describe numerous scenes or moments throughout the film in the exact same way, as worthy ideas (whether comedic or not) that are executed awkwardly, usually on the visual level. Leia's space maneuver, some Canto Bight shenanigans, etc. I acknowledge that humor is one of the most subjective things, so YMMV, but overall that "dubious execution" is a prevailing, unifying negative. I'll be rewatching the movie soon, so I'm curious to see if my perspective changes in that regard. Anyway, the fact you managed to succinctly cover the film, SW as a franchise, and SW as a fandom all in one video under 40 minutes is really impressive in comparison to other reviews out there, lol. And on top of all that, I think you did a really good job on all fronts. I'd love to hear you talk about Star Wars more in the future, if you ever feel like you have more to say.
@mr.noisyowl
@mr.noisyowl 4 месяца назад
Well said!
@ArveEriksson
@ArveEriksson 4 года назад
Take-home message: The wookiee has no pants. Thank you, Mark Hamill!
@Briaaanz
@Briaaanz 4 года назад
"The wookie has no pants" just adds to the creepy part of the Christmas Special
@WiloPolis03
@WiloPolis03 4 года назад
Very cool
@simo4875
@simo4875 3 года назад
He gave me the most profound realization of my life right there...
@krieghart5515
@krieghart5515 4 года назад
"You were the Chose One, Anakin, I googled it!"
@SousukeAizen421
@SousukeAizen421 4 года назад
Must....feeeed.....
@TheHalogen131
@TheHalogen131 4 года назад
@Czech Paratrooper You are absolutely fucking right! This is so disingenious, he is lying into our faces.
@krieghart5515
@krieghart5515 4 года назад
It's Disingenuous, twisting data and facts to support the narrative he wants to tell. No respect.
@corvus9490
@corvus9490 4 года назад
@Czech Paratrooper I'm too lazy to read it, could you summarize it?
@vintheguy
@vintheguy 4 года назад
Guys It was really obvious that was a joke
@andreww830
@andreww830 4 года назад
"The wookie has no pants" -Mark Hamil, 2004
@spartanparty3894
@spartanparty3894 4 года назад
I love that Luke didn't hurt anyone in the entire movie, he was completely peaceful, a true Jedi that saved his friends without hurting anyone else.
@megaultradamn
@megaultradamn 3 года назад
What a jedi thing to do... Attempting to kill his nephew in his sleep after only getting a tingle of the dark side from him.
@spartanparty3894
@spartanparty3894 3 года назад
@@megaultradamn That is in the past, and in character. He didn't get a hint, he saw EVERYTHING that Ben would do and for a moment, lost his idealism. He did the exact same thing against Vader, except then the moment lasted longer.Both times, however, he came back from the edge, overcame his flaws and went on to become a near-perfect Jedi
@megaultradamn
@megaultradamn 3 года назад
@@spartanparty3894 Did the same thing to Vader? No. Vader killed his mentor, a planet full of billions of people, and captured his best friend. He still tried to sway him to the light. The only reason he snapped momentarily was when he had no other option. His friends were about to die, he was outmatched, and Vader threatened to turn Leia instead of him. He only stopped when Vader was incapacitated and saw the similarities between themselves. Luke had much longer time to decide what to do with Kylo. We never got a hint that he tried to talk to his nephew before he went into his tent. I would've bought that he was left with no other choice after he foresaw Kylo kill Han, but the film didn't give us anything to go off from. Wouldn't it be better to see what choices he had before commiting to the choice he made?
@spartanparty3894
@spartanparty3894 3 года назад
@@megaultradamn Luke discovered what would happen when he entered Kylo's tent. That's the the moment he reffers to. I'm not saying that it was perfectly executed, just that it was in character. Luke noticed his nephew was acting weird and read his mind. He proceeded to get visions of the destruction of the Jedi temple, and the capital worlds by Starkiller base, and presumably Hans death. After all that Luke turned his lightsaber on out of instinct and then felt ashamed, but it was too late.
@megaultradamn
@megaultradamn 3 года назад
@@spartanparty3894 lol turned on the lightsaber out of instinct? After years and countless hours of Jedi meditation and training, he succumbs to the first murdererous instinct he has? Wouldn't the jedi thing be to calm down and rationally talk things through with Kylo? Christ, imagine if the Jedi slaughtered the younglings in the prequels for having naughty thoughts
@bradenlynn213
@bradenlynn213 4 года назад
After seeing Rise of Skywalker this is such a perfect video. I have no doubt that Rian Johnson loves star wars and made a truly fantastic and tragically misunderstood film
@bradenlynn213
@bradenlynn213 4 года назад
@MisAnthro Pony of the sequels it's the only one significantly built off Lucas's original plans (old hermit luke training a young female jedi originally names Kira on an island) and it is pretty consistent with the lore other than the newly introduced force projection. Most of the episodes introduce a new force power. 5 introduced force jumps, 6 introduced lightning, 1 introduced jedi sprint, 7 introduced stopping blaster bolts, and most of the powers come from the old EU.
@basedchimera5859
@basedchimera5859 4 года назад
@MisAnthro Pony oh so now the brony's gonna lecture us?
@vintheguy
@vintheguy 4 года назад
@MisAnthro Pony My nigga Is that you? God damn now your the entitled brat
@wigglyboots2
@wigglyboots2 4 года назад
The bit about Snoke's Quinceanera nearly killed me. Well done.
@Azzyzazz
@Azzyzazz 4 года назад
I unironically think it would have been a better film had it gone that route (Or maybe an outtake lmfao)
@CTOOFBOOGLE
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 года назад
K C wait really?
@Edgaralexi
@Edgaralexi 4 года назад
Hilarious
@CTOOFBOOGLE
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 года назад
RogelioDelaToro snoke has about as much development as palpatine in the OT, and if those movies are sacrosanct I don’t understand why it’s a problem here.
@aolson1111
@aolson1111 4 года назад
@@Ballislife32 The movie wasn't about Snoke. Every single movie has characters that we don't get backstory on.
@promo9467
@promo9467 4 года назад
My only real problem is that neither Rey nor Kylo lost their arms Like how do you mess that up
@deadchannel5358
@deadchannel5358 4 года назад
JJ really has some slack to pick up huh
@KEVMAN7987
@KEVMAN7987 4 года назад
Could you imagine the backlash at showing a woman being dismembered? Especially with today's too PC, SJW culture?
@brianbrush5107
@brianbrush5107 4 года назад
@@KEVMAN7987 Honestly while it's an issue, look at what happened with Hazbin Hotel for example...how big an issue It is is SERIOUSLY overblown.
@jblue1622
@jblue1622 4 года назад
Kevin Gomolchak and then we push back and say you wanted equality right?
@jblue1622
@jblue1622 4 года назад
Kevin Gomolchak also stop being a parrot, the world has always been PC
@GalvatronRodimus
@GalvatronRodimus 2 года назад
My only issue with Leia flying through space was the visual aspect. I thought it made sense, I believed it, and I thought it looked a bit silly.
@KaminoKatie
@KaminoKatie 2 года назад
The visual aspect of that scene jumped strait out of a later Showa era Godzilla film
@GalvatronRodimus
@GalvatronRodimus 2 года назад
@@KaminoKatie LOL, that's spot-on!!
@kylemorello4787
@kylemorello4787 Год назад
Agreed. I know she's pulling herself, but It does look like she's flying. I also don't buy that it's Leia's first time using the Force to it's full potential, as Rian said once. Sure, Luke's first trick involved pulling something, but it was just a sword from a snow bank. Pulling yourself from the air into a space station? Even as a person who exists in a world where the force doesn't exist, that sounds very advanced for a beginner. Then again, it did put Leia in a coma, so what do I know?
@mandarinduck
@mandarinduck Год назад
​@@kylemorello4787 I think she went into a coma because she just barely survived being blasted out into the vacuum of space by a missile.
@PauLtus_B
@PauLtus_B Год назад
It's funny that you always get these extensive lore essays about why Leia wouldn't be able to do that because some people are desperate to prove their opinion as "objective" while "it looks very silly" is probably the most valid criticism.
@descendentcross4105
@descendentcross4105 4 года назад
I seriously don't think it's too late to talk about the last jedi.
@jblue1622
@jblue1622 4 года назад
Trigger Me6 ...but I’m failing to come up with a joke.**
@qmulus1
@qmulus1 4 года назад
Vasian Vasianich There was nothing profound about it.
@jennySeidel7494
@jennySeidel7494 4 года назад
The people who didn't like it certainly still won't shut the hell up about it.
@qmulus1
@qmulus1 4 года назад
Jenny Seidel And why should they?
@jennySeidel7494
@jennySeidel7494 4 года назад
@@qmulus1 Because it's pathetic to constantly complain about the same sub-par movie for two years. Most sane people would've just said they didn't like it, said why they didn't like it, and move on with their lives. It really shouldn't be that big of a deal.
@Sonardo01
@Sonardo01 4 года назад
I had to look up whether that "Jedi Leaping and Running" page was real. Well played.
@cinnamonnoir2487
@cinnamonnoir2487 4 года назад
I don't always agree with Nerrel, but his image manipulation has always been top-tier.
@emexdizzy
@emexdizzy 4 года назад
"GROWING UP I ALWAYS HAD A FASCINATION WITH ANTIQUE CLOCKS. THE TICKING... //gasps ...THE TOCKING."
@heyzeus7258
@heyzeus7258 3 года назад
I like how you pasted Luke's face on Vader, but now we got that in the Mandalorian this past year.....
@milkywayskywalker
@milkywayskywalker 3 года назад
He was taking out droids in the Mandalorian... how is that even close to same as killed younglings, or Tuskin kids, or real people on Tantative IV? He doesn't even kill Moff Gideon!
@Mysteryof89
@Mysteryof89 4 года назад
Omg, your Snoke segment explaining his backstory XD
@SineEyed
@SineEyed 4 года назад
ikr? So stupid. One of the worst straw man arguments in this entire video. You've gotta bee a real bonehead not to understand what the issue is with Snoke's presence in the galaxy not being explained..
@chaosmkmk
@chaosmkmk 4 года назад
I loved that part, straight gold.
@april5054
@april5054 4 года назад
@@SineEyed When Palpy was first introduced in the original trilogy, his presence went completely unexplained, and nobody cared. Why should Snoke's backstory be given in the _middle_ film of a _trilogy,_ anyway? That wouldn't make any sense.
@paragonpoints8420
@paragonpoints8420 4 года назад
April Sidious didn’t need anything, as he contradicted nothing of the world we were introduced to in 1977 (he was even mentioned in that movie), and yet we got his story anyway. Snoke contradicts the ending of Return of the Jedi and his rise to power makes no sense. Your equivalence is nonsense.
@SineEyed
@SineEyed 4 года назад
@@april5054 it's very simple - Snoke would have been alive through the PT and OT eras. In TLJ we're shown that Snoke is vastly more powerful than any other force user we've ever seen. He's stronger than Luke, Vader, and Sidious combined. So where the hell _was_ he the whole time? Where was this galactic powerhouse hiding such that no other force users ever sensed his presence? Also, _why_ was he in hiding the whole time? Snoke's presence in the galaxy all the sudden is 100% incongruous with everything we know about that universe. RJ is 100% a retard..
@WhiteMetalGames
@WhiteMetalGames 4 года назад
Beyond a doubt, this is the greatest breakdown of The Last Jedi and the SW franchise overall I have ever seen. Thank you for putting this together. Man, I can't believe how many of your thoughts mirror my own. Thought I was the only one, lol. This video really made my day! Please keep making these videos!
@o...o4144
@o...o4144 4 года назад
I know right? I have already seen a lot of good reviews about The Last Jedi (Film Joy is amazing) but this one feels like it was made for me. I agree with every single word Nerrel said
@titanium_rocket1505
@titanium_rocket1505 4 года назад
@Kritzberg you can’t have bad reasoning for liking a film. Those people have no say in people’s opinions on films
@austinjohnsen4430
@austinjohnsen4430 4 года назад
How? All this guy did was compile all the standard TLJ arguments other people have been saying for years. Palpatine didn’t get a backstory, therefore Snoke doesn’t need one. Empire would be hated if it came out today. People wanted Luke to be a super Jedi hero People missed the themes. Luke almost killed Vader, therefore almost killing Kylo makes complete sense, etc. Nothing groundbreaking or new was really said here. I also love how he leaves out the fact that a person exposed to the vacuum of space would be rendered unconscious in like 15 seconds, preventing them from saving themselves, but still making it possible for others to save them.
@vintheguy
@vintheguy 4 года назад
My map said I wouldn't find another dumb fuck for a while But them thread is full of them
@titanium_rocket1505
@titanium_rocket1505 4 года назад
@Kritzberg then why did they make a response to this video if they “don’t claim to have an influence?”
@Bi_scotti_5
@Bi_scotti_5 4 года назад
The fact that JJ Abrams was inspired by The Last Jedi and said the ending of the trilogy was not effected is baffling to me. TROS spat in the face of every new and interesting idea TLJ had.
@revimfadli4666
@revimfadli4666 4 года назад
The _ending_ might not be affected, but the first half spent backtracking TLJ)that fans complained about) likely was. In hindsight it might've been better to continue whatever RJ wanted with ep. IX, like DJ probably being set up as a twist mastermind that Ben & Rey have to fight together
@Bi_scotti_5
@Bi_scotti_5 4 года назад
@@revimfadli4666 I think it should have just been Ben vs Rey. The other subplot could be Finn and Rose trying to bring stormtroopers over to the good side, rather than having a whole thing with stormtroopers defecting and "not fighting what we hate but saving what we love" just to slaughter them mercilessly the film directly after
@revimfadli4666
@revimfadli4666 4 года назад
@@Bi_scotti_5 that's also good But even TFA itself abandoned the humanisation of stormtroopers when it's not Finn
@Bi_scotti_5
@Bi_scotti_5 4 года назад
@@revimfadli4666 That's because J.J. is a bad writer, but I think that Finn would have needed the other 2 movies to convince him that it was the right choice.
@rmn070
@rmn070 2 года назад
Anyone here made rewrites for Episode 9? I would love to see them.
@Yoda-wf6bu
@Yoda-wf6bu Год назад
I always come back to this video. Even after TROS, it's so rewatchable.
@Paper_titan
@Paper_titan Год назад
Agreed. There are more strawman than a harvest festival and it's fun to watch him bash em
@andrewjenkins9965
@andrewjenkins9965 Год назад
@@Paper_titan what do you mean, "strawman"? I've heard actual people making the arguments he's refuting in this video.
@hrganley
@hrganley 4 года назад
The hot take to end all other hot takes. There are a lot of good things for TLJ and theme in general, but there are also a lot of valid criticisms that can help others become better filmmakers/writers.
@korvo3427
@korvo3427 4 года назад
Not really a hot take. A lot of people liked it.
@rednas3271
@rednas3271 4 года назад
If only Rian Johnson could actually listen to those valid criticisms
@korvo3427
@korvo3427 4 года назад
@@rednas3271 Except that it doesn't matter cause it doesn't look like he'll be making another Star Wars movie.
@korvo3427
@korvo3427 4 года назад
@Grant Kerr Yes he has. Like it or not.
@deskrabbit2190
@deskrabbit2190 4 года назад
Every film should be criticised for its flaws and praised for its achievements, but at the end of the day, the main thing is whether you enjoyed seeing it or not.
@DianaDxD
@DianaDxD 4 года назад
Honestly Yoda's line on failure is something that has stuck with me. I was always afraid of failure and tried my hardest to not do so. Despite seeing the movie a few days ago and rewatching last night it's one line of the movie I felt had meaning. There are plenty of thought provoking lines in this movie but that one in particular stuck out to me and honestly it still surprises me that people hate this movie because this movie is smart and thought provoking
@KireiC
@KireiC 4 года назад
For real! I think I liked TLJ as much as I did because I loved that theme of screwing up, and then having to eat that and then try again. Learning from the past, instead of just killing it.
@DianaDxD
@DianaDxD 4 года назад
@@KireiC Dude same. I also really enjoyed how they made Luke more human because of that. I watched the og trilogy in high school because I didn't grow up with it and I've seen people idolize Luke as this perfect protagonist but I saw he wasn't perfect he's human just like the rest of us. Kylo to me at least was way improved because to me his character didn't gel with me all that much. I also loved him and Rey working together. I really love the whole enemies to lovers trope
@somegeekguy
@somegeekguy 4 года назад
It’s an amazing film
@o...o4144
@o...o4144 4 года назад
This!
@madeyoulook6392
@madeyoulook6392 4 года назад
I'm still laughing at "he's choking him through the TV . . . He's . . . Skype choking him !"
@boltfantasticated9705
@boltfantasticated9705 3 года назад
I think you have single handedly made me like The Last Jedi. Before I was mostly neutral but you showing me how important this movie was in reference to the failures of the Jedi Order and the whole seeking balance to the force thing really made me appreciate what Rian was trying to do with this movie.
@DemonicRemption
@DemonicRemption 3 года назад
@Bolt Fantasticated I envy you, because this video doesn't change my mind. Nerrel is saying the film actually had good ideas. I'm more focused on the execution of those ideas, which was done poorly.
@ouchcomma
@ouchcomma 3 года назад
@@DemonicRemption that’s what i have thought about this movie for the longest time- really cool ideas, execution needed a lot of work. however, upon the realization that i think of the prequels in a very similar way, i can at least appreciate the intentions this movie had and enjoy it for what it is, despite its large sum of flaws. even just the fact that this movie feels far more soulfully made and less corporate in reflection is enough for me to like it more.
@lukethespaceman3231
@lukethespaceman3231 3 года назад
Kinda the same for me even though I was always leaning towards being favorable
@hashly8521
@hashly8521 3 года назад
the video is just unnecessary tbh, it’s just strawmans, misunderstandings, and exaggerations, not to mention pretentious asf, which i get it, star wars fans are fucking annoying, but gosh. the movie itself is easily top 5 star wars films, but we’re doing too much now, the move is just recycled ideas that try to make something out of itself, and where it succeeds, it fails what dorks would call the trilogy with two awful films that got nothing wrapped up besides fan service. learning that george lucas decided to make luke a hermit actually bums me out, because i really expected it to be rian’s decision, i’m grateful he did go that direction in the end, although the execution was kinda…underwhelming
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo 3 года назад
@@hashly8521 I don’t think this video is “unnecessary” it change my view on the last Jedi
@JumpingJiraffe
@JumpingJiraffe 4 года назад
Leia using the force to pull herself back to the ship wasn’t really a logical issue to me but rather it was just a really cheesy looking and stupid moment. I do like the movie for the most part but I just wanted to say my issues with that scene aren’t about “how I think the force should work”
@jonsimpson6240
@jonsimpson6240 4 года назад
For me it was the explosion first, The actual death of Carrie Fisher, the goofy way she brought herself back, the off screen and off hand way they killed ackbar, the way the shields were handwaved away.
@Zakon673
@Zakon673 4 года назад
@@jonsimpson6240 Ackbar is kind of a fan favorite due to memes, but at the end of the day he's not really anyone of major importance. He was the admiral in the final battle in RotJ. That doesn't make him a nobody but I don't know if he necessarily earned a big dramatic death moment. If anything, I'd say the gut punch of how nonchalantly he was killed hammered in the horror of that scene. Without him being there, it would've just been a bunch of nameless admirals followed by the only character of note saving herself. Ackbar had just the right level of name recognition and plot relevance to kill off there and have that scene mean something.
@jonsimpson6240
@jonsimpson6240 4 года назад
@@Zakon673 I get You, but we found out he was on the bridge when we found out he died. A couple of lines beforehand would sell that gutpunch even more
@jonsimpson6240
@jonsimpson6240 4 года назад
@@Zakon673 I do think that any gut punch was undermined by Leia flying back in, and by the general nonsense of three light fighters being able to cripple a cruiser on their own. But maybe that us just me.
@parkerdavis7859
@parkerdavis7859 4 года назад
For me, I love that moment because of the score and how it means that Leia really did finally tapped into that power like Luke said she eventually would. I also understand the limitations of a 60 year old woman on wires, which I understand made it look cheesy to most.
@ethanhutchings5024
@ethanhutchings5024 4 года назад
Not yet my child we haven't even got to my quinceanera yet
@DetectiveWorkStudios
@DetectiveWorkStudios 4 года назад
Best line
@Oldnoname
@Oldnoname 4 года назад
My favorite part is when they go to the planet with slave children and decide to free the animals.....
@wolborg105
@wolborg105 4 года назад
no name What did you want them to do? Take the children to an active war zone?
@DigitalGator
@DigitalGator 4 года назад
wolborg105 They could’ve... just not had that side plot.
@cristiansaucedo4707
@cristiansaucedo4707 4 года назад
Yeah. I liked a good amount of what the guy said but even he admits to sharing criticisms. Obviously a movie can have a problem or 2, but the execution of this film could have been better. Luke left a map to tell Rey he was done? Saving animals is more important than children, even when you have the option for both? (I can't remember if they had time for both) Holdo couldn't have committed suicide sooner so that less people/ships would have been destroyed? (They lost the medical ship with the lead doctor. Kind of important...) The fans have always had criticisms regarding the story and obviously Disney can tell Mark to say this and the media to say that. Nerrel believes what is being said about the Fandom Menace and it sucks because he is misinterpreting the passion the fans have and telling people to calm down, after the insults that the media have made, for more movies than just Star Wars.
@Ringdingsandmilk
@Ringdingsandmilk 4 года назад
That’s how they win! #worthit
@jackyoh971
@jackyoh971 4 года назад
Vegan lobby is strong in this film look at what they did to Chewbacca...
@studiostoneage9567
@studiostoneage9567 3 года назад
I really didn't like the movie, but the points you make are great. Would have been interesting to see the whole trilogy realized by johnson.
@butterball8378
@butterball8378 3 года назад
I think these movies didn't really need to be completely made by Johnson. However, some communication between directors sounds like it would've improved the series
@SirBlackReeds
@SirBlackReeds 2 года назад
Are they? Abrams and Johnson failed to realize what gave Star Wars its worldwide appeal in the first place. The Skywalker Saga, the actual Skywalker Saga, is a straightforward story to the point where there are no jumps in time.
@Eyeupthebison
@Eyeupthebison 2 года назад
@@SirBlackReeds yeah attack of the clones doesnt time skip almost a decade, empire to return of the jedi doesnt have a 3 year time gap Phantom menace doesnt have a decades time jump either Your so right there are no time jumps
@SirBlackReeds
@SirBlackReeds 2 года назад
@@Eyeupthebison Why do you misrepresent me? Those aren't jumps in time. A jump in time is a _flashback._ If you can point to a flashbacks or flashforward in the entire, actual Skywalker Saga, then I will concede. Better yet, go watch So Uncivilized videos.
@Eyeupthebison
@Eyeupthebison 2 года назад
@@SirBlackReeds anakin seeing padme giving birth is a flash forward Better yet there are 3 time jumps in the prequels 2 in the OT 1 in the st
@Pigness7
@Pigness7 4 года назад
I think the mandalorian is so good because its literally just a western but in star wars and the people making it just want to have fun
@frankgraden3938
@frankgraden3938 4 года назад
The Mandolorian embodies the spirit of star wars more than the Disney sequel did.
@dijonpsalm6938
@dijonpsalm6938 4 года назад
Sadly it's kinda predictable.
@Jacob-ec6st
@Jacob-ec6st 4 года назад
Give it time. “Fans” will find a reason to hate it.
@NanneEsqui13
@NanneEsqui13 4 года назад
@@Jacob-ec6st they already have, i asked one of them why he thought so and he called me a bench warmer. it was weird...
@Jacob-ec6st
@Jacob-ec6st 4 года назад
@@NanneEsqui13 Sheesh. It's the unfortunate state of star wars that people will complain no matter what and bash something that another person enjoys instead of just focusing on what they enjoy.
@lucasslavin348
@lucasslavin348 3 года назад
3:51 in and this is already the best piece of Star Wars related content on RU-vid
@diegodankquixote-wry3242
@diegodankquixote-wry3242 4 года назад
>holds on to glass of rhino milk Go on
@Gerardo-eo5kb
@Gerardo-eo5kb 4 года назад
A fellow toxic brother 🥛
@amazinblasian117
@amazinblasian117 4 года назад
Slice and dice, brother!
@professionalspecialist5780
@professionalspecialist5780 4 года назад
Praise Jeb!
@titansparrow64
@titansparrow64 4 года назад
*sips some 🦏🥛* Should we inform the rest of the Toxic Broods of this video? we could potentially have another MajorLee situation where EFAP brings on a guest that made a not so great TLJ video (not to mention another gold mine for some high quality memes)?
@diegodankquixote-wry3242
@diegodankquixote-wry3242 4 года назад
@@titansparrow64 we should. I would like to see nerrel debate mauler and jay. It would be celestial!
@TheGamingPolitician
@TheGamingPolitician 2 года назад
It was actually amazing watching “EFAP” react to this video. They pause every few seconds, make a bunch of arguments, then those same arguments get completely invalidated a few moments later when the point you’re trying to make is concluded. They are the definition of goal post movers
@birdcar7808
@birdcar7808 2 года назад
It’s actually kind of insane. My absolute favorite part is when one of them got nitpicky about the clip of Johnson saying King Arthur’s hero’s journey started with the sword in the stone, and then conveniently didn’t have anything to say when they all misinterpreted the rest of Johnson’s point about King Arthur’s later life getting darker as he grew older (spoiler, he considers killing his nephew). And then they went on a tangent about Johnson’s “punchable face”. Truly, the high bar of objective criticism.
@Crusty783
@Crusty783 2 года назад
Don't forget the KMT part where they said they aren't racist and then lost their shit laughing at every piece of racism towards KMT that Nerrel showed in the vid. Goofy motherfuckers
@ofarra9588
@ofarra9588 2 года назад
I didn't know that they had done this. When I saw, I went out, watched the video, and left rebuttals to like 20 different comments. Perhaps that was a bit of a douchey move, but... Nerrel is the best human on the planet and I will not stand by and let him get harrased.
@moscanaveia
@moscanaveia 2 года назад
What's efap?
@masoncampeau4145
@masoncampeau4145 2 года назад
@@moscanaveia it’s a podcast
@jamiel6169
@jamiel6169 4 года назад
Star Trek fan here... I remember watching TLJ, with my Trekkie partner, and walking out of the threatre feeling and hearing the hatred of the longtime fans around us. That didn't stop us from talking about TLJ for several hours afterwards. It had interesting things to delve into and held up on a second watching.
@succerberg84
@succerberg84 4 года назад
Wow Star Trek fans enjoy Star Wars more than Star Wars fans do, ironic
@whyor3619
@whyor3619 4 года назад
@@succerberg84 it does play out like 3 or 4 episodes of star trek happening simultaniously.
@Rihcterwilker
@Rihcterwilker 3 года назад
@@whyor3619 it actually does. That's the thing, Ryan Johnson is a very authoral director/writer, so this movie seems to be made as an stand-alone movie, one that is made to work by itself, and i can see how it could be an interesting watch, seeing it without caring about any baggage. What ruins it is that it was supposed to be the middle part of a trilogy, so, what happened before and what will happen later kind of matters, alot.
@murph8907
@murph8907 3 года назад
@@Rihcterwilker As a reply, I feel even trilogies of movies need to stand on their own enough, and really only use the plot that came before to tie them together. When done that way, you get much better storytelling cause you wrap up each movie and themes through the 3 act structure the correct way, while leaving it open enough for the next movie.
@luisrivera5476
@luisrivera5476 3 года назад
@@succerberg84 yes we do. we like Star wars and we don't hate 70% of star trek stuff like other fandom cof cof
@AlChestBreachFan7
@AlChestBreachFan7 4 года назад
Rose stops Finn from sacrificing himself by damn near sacrificing herself.
@Convicted_Melon
@Convicted_Melon 4 года назад
And everyone else.
@Xfushion2
@Xfushion2 4 года назад
@InSanctvs Also it makes her look selfish by saving the guy he likes and essentialy leaving all the rest to die. Keep in mind that no one had a backup plan, not even Leia and no one knew Luke was coming at all, from their perspective they were on their own and the only chance they had to survive and gain time was to stop that cannon and is actually funny that when she delivers the line of "saving what we love" the empire blows up the doors to the base And yes Luke did prevent the empire for killing them but again, he being there from their perspective is pure luck, Rose's actions made no sense at all.
@BananaWamma7
@BananaWamma7 4 года назад
Yeah honestly I’m in the camp that thinks this is the best SW movie since Empire but every time I watch and see that scene I facepalm. It even just goes against the rest of what the movie sets up. And the romance felt forced, like I didn’t get any kind of romantic vibes from them at all. Like if they were going to ship them then they should’ve done it in the next film where they had time to develop something between them other than platonic. Though I did like Roses character cause it felt fresh, like it’s nice to see a main-ish character in SW that’s not a combatant of some sort.
@LegendofLegaia929
@LegendofLegaia929 4 года назад
Them both* This video was great, but no one will ever convince me that scene wasn't fucking stupid. They should have had her stop him from going out there in the first place.
@TacticusPrime
@TacticusPrime 4 года назад
Also, the purple haired lady JUST sacrificed herself to save them. Literally, right before.
@sambafreak13
@sambafreak13 4 года назад
"Luke using knowledge instead of violence to win the fight is the most 'Jedi' thing in the series." THIS 1000 times.
@nilktots6380
@nilktots6380 4 года назад
How does that detract from his light show being pointless, confusing, and somewhat diminishing of his sacrifice? You can do all the same things without needlessly subverting expectations. Also that still means he either let Kylo go or is somehow incapable of defeating a character with no set up of being stronger
@sambafreak13
@sambafreak13 4 года назад
@@nilktots6380 interesting perspective. I didn't find it pointless or confusing at all. I felt the point was to both stall the first order so the resistance could escape, and rekindle the belief in the Jedi throughout the galaxy. He did both of those things, and he did them with the greatest Jedi mind trick we've ever seen. What could be cooler and more Jedi than that?
@nilktots6380
@nilktots6380 4 года назад
@@sambafreak13 his trick though is far less practical than just being there. and he could have done more without the needless expenditure. you can justify anything with enough time but watching it i said "okay is luke dead? he wasnt there they distracted them so he helped but why huh how is he teleporting now like the dice wtf is happening"
@sambafreak13
@sambafreak13 4 года назад
@@nilktots6380 cool man. i hear you. that choice didn't work for you. i dug it.
@nilktots6380
@nilktots6380 4 года назад
@@sambafreak13 thats fine
@JacobKowanetz
@JacobKowanetz 4 года назад
I absolutely love the continuity of your garbage truck.
@SteebThe
@SteebThe 4 года назад
Truly lives up to its name of "too late, who gives a shit?": a video about something I didn't care to see a video about but ended up appreciating it!
@basedchimera5859
@basedchimera5859 4 года назад
Its so great seeing people who hate this film still willing to look at it from this guys point of view.
@johnsmith-xh9gi
@johnsmith-xh9gi 4 года назад
Holy shit those Snoke jokes made me laugh so hard 😂
@KEVMAN7987
@KEVMAN7987 4 года назад
I want to hear more about these pies...
@WillNelson73
@WillNelson73 4 года назад
@LogiKaiser exactly.
@kingofmonsters14
@kingofmonsters14 4 года назад
what was that voice clip from?
@CTOOFBOOGLE
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 года назад
kingofmonsters14 I think Nerrel did it
@dinocelahmetovic7263
@dinocelahmetovic7263 4 года назад
@LogiKaiser I can understand that point of view but I disagree. I think what Nerrel is getting at is that we don't need to know anything about Snoke in terms of backstory and lore in this trilogy as his character only serves to shape Kylo and progress the scene. Just like the Emperor in Return of the Jedi. I do see your point though and would have liked to have gotten more answers as well in a more drawn out pace throughout the film. Although ultimately he is just a big bad to drive the movie forward, characters like Snoke and Palpatine have little to no character besides being comically evil.
@lordmashie
@lordmashie 3 года назад
If it was up to me I would've had Rian Johnson direct both VIII and IX, just out of curiosity for knowing where he would've taken it because of all the people saying he wrote the series into a corner and there was nowhere to go.
@pacman5698
@pacman5698 3 года назад
You can look up the Duel of the Fates script by Trevorrow and Connolly. When Trevorrow was originally helmed to do IX, he was writing the intended story to continue TLJ and it has certain elements that Johnson brought in that worked, and others that didn't. It got canned because Fisher's death threw a wrench in the bunch and the rewrites weren't getting them to the point in time. Coupled with the backlash to TLJ making Lucasfilm really feel as if they should retcon it as instructed by the base.
@michaelhutchings6602
@michaelhutchings6602 4 месяца назад
Rian was actually asked to direct IX after Colin stepped down but obviously turned it down.
@SnatchBandegrip
@SnatchBandegrip 2 месяца назад
I did not like TLJ -- IMO it's got a handful of good ideas and a mess of terrible ones -- but I like Johnson's other work and I am very curious what the ST would look like had he been around from the start.
@MegaMetallicaMASTER
@MegaMetallicaMASTER 4 года назад
It feels good to finally hear all this laid out.. I left the cinema IN LOVE with the Last Jedi and slowly realised in the following weeks that I was in the minority.
@wolborg105
@wolborg105 4 года назад
Darth Azog it literally makes u feel like you’re living in an alternate dimension the way some of these people talk about the film. TLJ rules and they can’t accept that the film questioned their ideas of fandom
@kanalkucker14
@kanalkucker14 4 года назад
Then did you guys hated the other star wars movies then?
@MegaMetallicaMASTER
@MegaMetallicaMASTER 4 года назад
@@kanalkucker14 I personally love all of them, just because I love the last Jedi doesn't mean I have to hate something in return. I see the value and quality in all of them as separate films.
@rowni
@rowni 4 года назад
I agree! I dont really care if people hated it or not. Just as long I know I had a good time watching it.
@kanalkucker14
@kanalkucker14 4 года назад
Of course I don't forbid you to like the movie, this is not what critics of it want to do. I'm just curious since I feel TLJ is inferior to Prequels and Original Triology alike. So guys just tell me, do you feel VII and VIII have a good plot line? Has Rian Johnson followed up on VII well?
@thefilmrookie3099
@thefilmrookie3099 3 года назад
7:45 lol. After watching mando this came right to my head. How ironic that this is exactly what fans are cheering on. Right down to your sentence.
@thefilmrookie3099
@thefilmrookie3099 3 года назад
Jacob Hunter I don’t get what your saying but. I feel that the the fan base that doesn’t like the sequels want something that is harmless and expands on existing material. Instead of expanding the story and changing the monotony of Star Wars. Like Mando. Season two pushes this forward in a more obvious at, getting a lot more excitement out of the audience. I feel like Lucasfilm knows this. That’s why I am nervous for Star Wars. People enjoy rouge one for those reasons. Even the people who have a negativity towards the sequels would say that 7 and 9 are the best. Which ironically utilise familiar assets. The only difference is that it is still affecting the main Star Wars as a whole, as too the dislike. Tell me, have you noticed any new Star Wars besides Rians trilogy that isn’t in the realm of creating new Star Wars, instead of expanding what we love? That what I mean of Lucasfilm knows this.
@matti.8465
@matti.8465 3 года назад
@@thefilmrookie3099 I think the new stuff is expanding and doing new stuff but in a safer way. That's not necessarily bad, but it's noticeable.
@thefilmrookie3099
@thefilmrookie3099 3 года назад
@@matti.8465 I am someone who likes change. And It will get repetitive. People just like to form movies with marvel these days. Action everywhere with fan service and epic moments. It is evident of the fact that people think Jedi are superhero’s now judging by how they say Luke should have acted.
@cedric15773
@cedric15773 4 месяца назад
Honestly, after seeing Luke shat on by pretty much every single piece of Disney media, seeing ONE scene where he’s portrayed in a positive light must be the most refreshing thing on the planet to Star Wars fans. It’s like a woman in an abusive relationship taking beating after beating, until one day, her husband finally cooks dinner for her for once. Yeah, that doesn’t even come close to making up for all the abuse he put her through, but in her eyes, that must seem like the biggest act of kindness in the world to her. And it’s enough to keep her from leaving and finding someone better, which is exactly what the husband planned for from the beginning.
@lumbagoboi1649
@lumbagoboi1649 4 месяца назад
What a surprise, Luke actually being a hero made everyone happy...
@spyroG3
@spyroG3 4 года назад
I still have trouble accepting that Anakin went to the Jedi heaven or whatever at the end of ROTJ after he killed children in ROTS.
@cyclone4273
@cyclone4273 4 года назад
Well the way I think of it is how Anakin or Vader are different, but the same. You see this in the original trilogy how Obi-Wan says Vader kills Anakin. Also how Vader refers to Anakin in the third person. At the end of the day in ROTJ he fulfilled his prophecy in both ways he made balance as Vader, but once it became to powerful Anakin ended it leading the way for the Jedi.
@xSilentZeroXx
@xSilentZeroXx 4 года назад
I think it's best to measure people more on their intentions than on their deeds. Anakin finally re-awakened to justice, and upon doing so, he defeated the Emperor, and... died. Had he gone on to live, he likely would've dedicated himself to atoning for his crimes however he could, but because literally death itself stopped him, he couldn't keep walking down that path. But regardless, he used what bit of his life he had left trying to do the right thing, even when doing that right thing is precisely what got him killed. Deeds are important, but they are ultimately a reflection of your will.
@seanylewl
@seanylewl 4 года назад
The mistake you are making is assuming that the Force allows force ghosts to be created based on how 'good' or 'bad' you were. There is no Heaven or Hell with the Force.
@Lazypackmule
@Lazypackmule 4 года назад
@@seanylewl This Really, the biggest problem with it was him even knowing how to do that in the first place, when it was set up as a skill you needed to learn
@carson3888
@carson3888 4 года назад
seanylewl I know this backtracks on the video we just watched but wookiepedia has an article for force ghosts and there is a netherworld or some crap
@liberalimperial3410
@liberalimperial3410 2 года назад
This dude saying his show is pointless cos this been talked to death, yet within the first five minutes he’s taught me shit loads about SW and it’s history. Keep goin mah dude
@zenatta234
@zenatta234 4 года назад
I always have loved the way you present me new and interesting takes, in a fair and balanced way. I honestly rush to see any content you make. I think I'm going to go into this next film excited - because of you. Thanks man
@LuisManuelLealDias
@LuisManuelLealDias 4 года назад
This is marvelous. You were able to sum up my own thoughts in the best possible ways ever, so you relieved my mind trying to concoct them over and over, I can just rely on this video for reference! Contratulations, subbed!
@Noremac41
@Noremac41 4 года назад
Great video! I fricken laughed out loud at 14:44 when Snoke said "we haven't even gotten to my qinceañera yet!" hahahaha
@mog-myownbestfriend
@mog-myownbestfriend 6 месяцев назад
That's some remarkably fresh air I'm getting, what a pleasant thing.
@DensetsuVII
@DensetsuVII 4 года назад
"Ugh another star wars video - youtube I know you think I still like star wars cuz of ONE video I saw once but I really don't ... wait this is from my subscriptions... NERREL?!" *clicks EDIT: By the way, this was the hands-down best video on Star Wars' new trilogy I've ever seen - somehow both engaging with the hate and coming out with a positive take. Nerrel your channel isn't getting ruined - it's going straight up to the stars.
@jco_sfm
@jco_sfm 4 года назад
I just realized that I'll get a bunch of star wars videos too now. Worth it.
@misumikaminari
@misumikaminari 4 года назад
You skipped over that casino area of episode 8 really hard tho.
@matthewknight5926
@matthewknight5926 4 года назад
Misumi Kaminari even the people who like the film skip that scene hard as F U C K
@Edgaralexi
@Edgaralexi 4 года назад
That’s just beating a dead horse
@GhostGrav1ty
@GhostGrav1ty 4 года назад
The whole film should have just skipped that part
@misumikaminari
@misumikaminari 4 года назад
@Geralt of Trivia it was 11 minutes sure, but it was a nearly un necessary 11 minutes, i was a little funny and could be comedic relief, but why relieve tension being built by the rebels slowly flying away from the super huge destroyer? Its very out of place, and almost didnt belong in the movie at all.
@misumikaminari
@misumikaminari 4 года назад
@Geralt of Trivia and my point wasnt "the movie was ruined by this" My point was "hey, youtube guy who made this, you did not address this string of scenes in the film that i viewed as very unimportant, where you claimed and shown the importance of the rest of the film." So we are both on the same side, i just wanted him to address the needlessly created paralells to our society in a movie thats supposed to be timeless, but will lose its timelessness by relating to a timeframe in our current state of country.
@StriderStryker
@StriderStryker 2 года назад
_“…we can talk about why Star Wars fans are the worst people…”_ Judging on what happened to the prequels that almost lead the actor of *Jar Jar Binks* to *commit suicide,* you’re not wrong.
@hatefulgaming1800
@hatefulgaming1800 2 года назад
I would consider what they did to Jake Lloyd to worse.
@swissidol8403
@swissidol8403 2 года назад
Holy shit, that happened? What about him registers it as acceptable in their minds to harass the actor to that point?
@DamianSzajnowski
@DamianSzajnowski 2 года назад
@@swissidol8403 idiocy, as usually
@DamianSzajnowski
@DamianSzajnowski 2 года назад
@@swissidol8403 and self-righteousness
@user-ly2ll5od1r
@user-ly2ll5od1r 2 года назад
George Lucas also contemplated suicide after the backlash of the prequels.
@BenWillock
@BenWillock Год назад
I wish I'd found this video three years ago. Edit: You ABSOLUTELY changed the mind of a hater.
@orionaugustwatson
@orionaugustwatson 4 года назад
I feel in this movie, it's solidified that Luke really is Yoda's successor , maybe even surpassing him. He became the strongest Jedi in history ,not just by the projection but the way he greeted death like an old friend,in his own terms instead of getting slaughtered by some guy(even if it's his nephew).
@Panimal98
@Panimal98 4 года назад
@Lionard Kirsch He didn't become the greatest Jedi ever, for that. We've seen Jedi in the past refuse to kill, even in the prequels. That's the Jedi way, yk.
@Panimal98
@Panimal98 4 года назад
@Lionard Kirsch You mean by getting killed, for no reason? Him dying wouldn't have solved a thing, but ok... And George enjoyed TLJ, so...
@Panimal98
@Panimal98 4 года назад
@Lionard Kirsch You think Luke would have just force nuked an entire Armada? Obi-Wan dying that way had more significance, because he LET himself die, in order to show Luke the way of the force. Luke dying there would be pointless and insignificant. By stalling Ben (and not engaging in combat, yk, the entire point of his arc in RotJ), he gave the resistance time to escape, as well as instill hope, passing the mantle to Rey.
@Panimal98
@Panimal98 4 года назад
@Lionard Kirsch Not really. He would've gotten owned, pretty quick. Luke got to go out on his own terms, and not bring coerced by some petty child.
@Panimal98
@Panimal98 4 года назад
@Lionard Kirsch And so you just answered your own question. Luke didn't play into Ben's game. And Obi-Wan also died on his own terms. He allowed himself to be killed in front of Luke, to show how the force worked. If Luke had just died on the battlefield, how would that inspire hope in the people? They could barely see what was happening, nor could they hear the conversation. But, Leia assured them that Luke was at peace, and he died peacefully. Is Yoda a coward? By your logic, he is. He ran, and hid on a planet, as well. But, he inspired hope in Luke, as Luke did for Rey.
@bubblewhip382
@bubblewhip382 4 года назад
I don't think it's fair to say that Star Wars fans aren't open to subversive interpretations to Star Wars. KOTOR 2 is one of the most beloved extensions of the Star Wars universe and is very subversive.
@Sh0cklyz
@Sh0cklyz 4 года назад
SO true. And why? Because it featured excellent characters, told a good Story AND respectfully added cool stuff to the SW universe. The exact opposite to TLJ.
@valiantparagonvideos2383
@valiantparagonvideos2383 4 года назад
This should be emphasized. This has always been an excuse that Star Wars fans can't be please, but honestly, I don't think that's true. I think the movies past the first three have just been varying degrees of bad and so we're not happy with them. When good stuff comes out (like The Mandalorian) people just shut up and praise it.
@sebas8225
@sebas8225 4 года назад
@@valiantparagonvideos2383 The mandalorian aint that good when compared with movie standards, though, it´s just that since we have to give it TV series standards we are going to have to lower our expectations and the art at the end looks great.
@GonzoTehGreat
@GonzoTehGreat 4 года назад
@@sebas8225 Saying a TV series isn't as good as a Movie isn't saying much, except in this case The Mandalorian IS better then TLJ. Why? Because it's quintessential Star Wars.
@diegokaqui60
@diegokaqui60 4 года назад
@Sebas G if you want movie level of standars watch clone wars. The tv series for kids that actually made people love the prequels and exploited most of that trashcan in a pretty good way. Hell even stuff like giving anakin an apprentice (something hated on arrival) was taken as a good thing in the end. You can please the fans....you just don t have to screw up.
@ItsAnGoose
@ItsAnGoose 4 года назад
I’m shocked at how fresh and insightful this video was, you’ve completely changed my mind on TLJ
@o...o4144
@o...o4144 4 года назад
I'm glad you enjoyed! If you are looking for more videos about TLJ, made by really talented people, Film Joy made an awesome one too :)
@hustlerfour
@hustlerfour 4 года назад
Yeah this was very insightful in how someone can be so wrong and blind to corporate meddling to the point where they claim that JJ saying that he wishes he wrote the last jedi while actively attempting to retcon it out of existence in his followup film was anything BUT him sucking up to the company that hired him
@ItsAnGoose
@ItsAnGoose 4 года назад
Shino meh
@o...o4144
@o...o4144 4 года назад
@@hustlerfour this video was made before The Rise of Skywalker even came out lol
@ignitionfrn2223
@ignitionfrn2223 3 года назад
4:05 - The force 9:35 - Mystery 16:00 - Luke 22:15 - Themes
@moscanaveia
@moscanaveia 2 года назад
Bump
@SteveSmith-rt7wx
@SteveSmith-rt7wx Год назад
“Themes” lol
@dreemurchara
@dreemurchara 2 месяца назад
​@@SteveSmith-rt7wxWhat are you laughing at?
@WuMyth
@WuMyth 4 года назад
The ‘people would hate empire’ as well... is such a stupid thought. It’s still well written, last Jedi having new ideas isn’t the problem, it’s the writing
@solidbeard8324
@solidbeard8324 4 года назад
Plus the execution and balance.
@flaviomolina7165
@flaviomolina7165 4 года назад
Empire was disliked for a bit when it was first released. Though, to be fair, i hated the finn/rose/space b plot in TLJ, but actually really like the rei/kylo/luke stuff , where a lot of the actual themeatics and part of star wars stuff i do like
@solidbeard8324
@solidbeard8324 4 года назад
@@flaviomolina7165 In some ways yes. But back then things were different, now the media has changed now with the usage of the Social Media (Twitter, RU-vid and Facebook) everybody can have a voice and an audience that has something to say that even Rian is using that. The thing of "Empire had the same effect had the same effect TLJ" is really dumb and also wrong to me, is that kind of logic of believing that a thunder would struck twice in the same spot. It's very unlikely that TLJ would have the same recognition of TESB considering how the movie is very flawed from a storytelling perspective, the "subversion of expectations" doesn't add nothing interesting only to be a gimmick than something deep and with the inclusion of Social Justice Messages that might be looked dated one day. You may often hear the phrase "history repeats itself" but it doesn't mean that the story is the same. If RJ is thinking about the reaction of TLJ.
@flaviomolina7165
@flaviomolina7165 4 года назад
@@solidbeard8324 see the thing is i dont really believe in any SJW boogeyman conglomerate, so any criteria of judgment on that alone means very little to me. Again, mainly, i dislike a lot of the finn/rose/holdor atuff entirely. I get why theyre there , what the purpose was, but the execution for THOSE i thought was poor, as it gave finn and poe almost nothing to do the whole film, when i actually really enjoy those performances in 1, I feel rei luke qnd kylo were done rather well, and wouldve just liked the plot to be based on them entirely And again, i myself never said TLJ and empire would be treated the same, and doubt that TLJ would be fondly remembered, 3rd or 4th worst tbh Only the statment that empire was disliked in the initial reception
@Flynn94
@Flynn94 4 года назад
Why do I get the feeling you don’t know the first fucking thing about writing?
@joesanchez9811
@joesanchez9811 4 года назад
Having seen the rise of skywalker now and being able to see the new trilogy as whole, The last jedi is now my favorite of the 3, it is a truly original addition to the series and I agree with your comments on it. You gained a subscriber.
@jordanboyd5587
@jordanboyd5587 4 года назад
I definitely agree here. The Last Jedi was definitely my favorite of the bunch. Rise of Skywalker was pretty disappointing in comparison and while I wouldn't call it a bad Star Wars movie since I've had a ton of fun with it, it's definitely a bad movie on it's own. At least the ending was a nice callback to Ep 4 and C-3PO was genuinely hilarious in that movie.
@christophercooper7024
@christophercooper7024 4 года назад
I just actually want to say *Thank You* I’m not TLJ biggest fan by any stretch. I fell into the raging crowd and was blinded to any other opinions. You have taken something that I felt was terrible, and shown me a different angle, for that I can respect. I’m a Star Wars fan and don’t want any of the movies to suck my any means. I also want to say for any fans to go that extent of harassment and bullying to the point of actors wanting death I think is disgusting, and unfortunately puts shame on the fan base as a whole. I obviously have conflicting opinions on Star Wars TLJ, and don’t agree with everything in this video; but only cause Star Wars means so much to me that i want to see it at its best, hence my passionate opinions. But from this video, I shall take a new respective look towards the film and accept it for its flaws and new ideas.
@bingbongjoel6581
@bingbongjoel6581 4 года назад
Christopher Cooper This! Well put together, man!
@darkthorpocomicknight7891
@darkthorpocomicknight7891 4 года назад
Agreed hated TLJ with a passion but now see it has many good things. I think it is 8/10 but yeah it has flaws and issues. You can both like and dislike it. Puzzled seeing it so many times besides Luke what is so controversial. Weird plot to be sure ... but its Star Wars - if only too SW ironically.
@archivist_13
@archivist_13 4 года назад
Seconded
@treycoomes5447
@treycoomes5447 3 года назад
your arguments and reasoning are genuinely the best on youtube
@mythosinfinite6736
@mythosinfinite6736 4 года назад
Well, didn't expect this.
@MrLCGO
@MrLCGO 4 года назад
I had to double check the video.
@RomHam
@RomHam 4 года назад
It really subverted my expectations
@innegativeion
@innegativeion 4 года назад
A surprise, but... the sort of surprise that I'm not totally dissatisfied with, to be sure.
@yainaya_
@yainaya_ 4 года назад
Who gives a shit?
@sebas8225
@sebas8225 4 года назад
My surprise is that now I think Rian´s a better movie director, may want to check Knives Out now.
@Cellogrammaton
@Cellogrammaton 4 года назад
All criticism aside, this was the most beautifully filmed Star Wars movie, technically speaking. Go and take screenshots, the whole thing is gorgeous. Story wise, I think it painted a much better and cohesive narrative than The Rise of Skywalker, which was just too much for the fans, too little for the trilogy. I would like people who enjoyed the last movie to understand that, the same way that the death star blew up completely and they dont care, is the same with me and the casino sequence.
@Feasco
@Feasco 4 года назад
"Everything's so dense, there's so much going on"
@peterjessen1984
@peterjessen1984 4 года назад
Personally, I didn’t like the movie, but you bring up a lot of valid points, and I think I’m going to rewatch the movie.
@MorganCPaige
@MorganCPaige 4 года назад
Murderducky this is far too reasonable to be a youtube comment, your rational and polite demeanor IS NOT WELCOME HERE IN THE WILD WILD WEST
@HippopotamusPencil
@HippopotamusPencil 4 года назад
I don't think that he did bring up any valid points. While I'm sure some of these points could be persuasive, to say they are valid is another thing entirely.
@gobah
@gobah 4 года назад
Soupmaster101 what facts? It's a movie after all and your opinion on it is subjective.
@HippopotamusPencil
@HippopotamusPencil 4 года назад
@@gobah Well, for example the source Nerrel sites regarding surviving in space states outright that one would lose consciousness after roughly 15 seconds of exposure. Nerrel references the vapor in the air as atmosphere when Han, Leia and Chewie disembark from the Millennium Falcon, something he uses to suggest the original trilogy was equally flawed, when in fact this happened inside the bowels of the massive space worm. We can discuss objective facts when discussing something which is experienced subjectively. Furthermore, everything is experienced subjectively. Does the tree that falls in a forest not make a sound, because you didn't hear it? Most pressingly, we can discuss logic in an objective manner. For example, using strawmen, false dichotomies and poisoning the well are all fallacious attempts at reasoning, which can be found and timestamped within this video. It is absolutely possible to have an objective discussion about what is good or bad in art even though we have only our subjective experience to rely on. Have you never enjoyed a movie, book or meal, despite recognizing its poor quality? Your enjoyment of something might be subjective, but that doesn't mean you can't have an objective opinion.
@LeekyKale
@LeekyKale 4 года назад
Andreas Egeland so can you show us these timestamps?
@AtPlume
@AtPlume Год назад
You have reconciled me with this movie and made me take a step back on a lot of my approach with media. How dangerously arrogant and media illiterate lots of people who fancies themselves as critics are, how I am too. Thanks a lot. As an aspiring writer, it's making me change a lot of things about myself and I am grateful.
@Big_Dai
@Big_Dai Год назад
So.. is Nerrel a critic too?
@Paper_titan
@Paper_titan Год назад
No, you should be even more critical and discerning if you are an aspiring writer. You should be able to pick out the writing flaws in TLJ, the number of which can fill hours of video and discussion, for what they are. Flaws. And thinking 'everyone else is media illiterate, I wrote a masterpiece' isn't going to help you.
@paullopaki
@paullopaki Год назад
​@Jeremy Smith Not trying to bait you or degrade your opinion, but what flaws exactly?
@phoenixdown5181
@phoenixdown5181 Год назад
​@Jeremy Smith there's difference between finding "flaws" and being a nitpicky little bitch. Did you even watch the video?
@yetanotherspuart3993
@yetanotherspuart3993 Год назад
​@@paullopaki Disappearing weapon. Fight choreography that makes no sense. Luke's change in character without a reason why he changed. Why Poe saving he fleet is considered bad. Why the dreadnought scanned the base, found no lifesigns, blew it up, then waited, while looking at the fleet had to charge up its gun to fire on the fleet just sitting there. Why is the code breaker just conveniently sitting in he cell Rose and Finn are thrown in. Rose rescue animals, leaves slave children, after revealing she grew up as a slave. So you need more???
@theversuseffect5363
@theversuseffect5363 4 года назад
Just read your “my butt created the universe” book. Very thought provoking!
@dearinfrontoftree8362
@dearinfrontoftree8362 3 года назад
I love how it goes into the depths of the nature of human thought, and as an extension life itself...all while juxtaposing the simplicity and the complexity of the universe..... I guess I’ll stop now.
@WiloPolis03
@WiloPolis03 4 года назад
That Snoke imitation was so good that I actually thought it was a real clip, holy Johnson
@SleepySheimi
@SleepySheimi 4 года назад
I really enjoyed where they went with Luke in the books, but at the same time I loved how they shot him the completely other direction in TLJ, his bits were my favourite aspects of the movie overall.
@MrKimvidard
@MrKimvidard 3 месяца назад
This puts my feelings about this film, star wars and this fandom in the most perfect way. This felt good to see
@Teopengy96
@Teopengy96 4 года назад
“star wars isn’t science fiction” liked 👍🏻
@loxpower
@loxpower 4 года назад
Amen to that. It's 42 years I'm telling everyone it's a fantasy where people is accustomed to technology.
@emmanuelt.6046
@emmanuelt.6046 4 года назад
Or it is just a combination of fantasy and science fiction. Do you really think that genres can't be combined?
@Jacob6443
@Jacob6443 4 года назад
@@emmanuelt.6046 They can but even then Star Wars is still firmly rooted in Fantasy. Science Fantasy is more like Doctor Who in my opinion.
@BrianHartman
@BrianHartman 4 года назад
I really don't get how people can mistake Star Wars for science fiction. It's _clearly_ fantasy. Science fantasy, maybe, but fantasy.
@brandonontama2415
@brandonontama2415 4 года назад
That doesn't excuse plot holes.
@azzypoo
@azzypoo 4 года назад
Holy shit, this is such a good review. It brought a lot of interesting points I haven’t heard before and brought up points I haven’t thought of. Well done. It was also super funny, so you got that going for you. Keep it up Nerrel, love your stuff.
@nixmilt3040
@nixmilt3040 4 года назад
Joshua Fleming go check out cosmonaut variety hour’s review its pretty good to. It brings up some points that he missed and it’s pretty funny: saying you liked the last Jedi is scary these days
@tyrantsmisery
@tyrantsmisery 4 года назад
It's really not a good review though.
@CTOOFBOOGLE
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 года назад
Trigger Me6 I cannot imagine a bigger waste of time than listening to EFAP
@tyrantsmisery
@tyrantsmisery 4 года назад
@@CTOOFBOOGLE you cant imagine listening to something entertaining?
@CTOOFBOOGLE
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 года назад
Nicholas Quinton oh sure if you find it entertaining that’s fine, I’m just talking in terms of actual film critique and insight.
@anuragsrivatsa3410
@anuragsrivatsa3410 3 года назад
Wow, that hallway gag at 7:44 aged like a fine wine.
@lineclosed1576
@lineclosed1576 3 года назад
This has been legit fascinating. I had basically come around to Luke's portrayal in Last Jedi, but this puts the rest of the film in perspective for me. There are still issues that I have, including any lack of backstory for Snoke (Luke or Leia could have given a single line explaining at least what they thought Snoke was). For the first time, I get what the critics saw in this movie. It's just a shame it was all wasted by IX.
@KaminoKatie
@KaminoKatie 2 года назад
I mean The Emperor didn't have any backstory in the original trilogy but that doesn't matter since he serves as an obstacle to Vader and Luke's arc
@SirBlackReeds
@SirBlackReeds 2 года назад
Why? Luke's change in personality was never properly transitioned. He was loyal to a fault, fearless when it's time for action, and a little impatient with the persons who doubt him. Now he's a cynical old man who's given up. There's Point A and Point D, but it's lacking Points B & C.
@KaminoKatie
@KaminoKatie 2 года назад
@@SirBlackReeds People don't stay the same forever especially in 30 years
@pacman5698
@pacman5698 2 года назад
@@KaminoKatie Also the description people make up of Luke isn't even true when they state he was "out of character" in TLJ. He was just as much whiney, reckless, stubborn as a mule, and prone to anger and rage as he was positive. For a character they describe as the shining beacon of all things good about humanity it took seeing his family getting incinerated in a raid just to get him off the planet and out of his room playing with his toys. They write about Luke as if the entire point of his character was not that he was supposed to be a villain in his story given his lineage and how much he shared with daddy. He was good in spite of his destiny and nature. Not because of it. I think a lot of the fanbase views Luke in the same way a lot of them treat Boba Fett. They like the idea of what he CAN BE as opposed to who he actually was.
@BlueisNotaWarmColour
@BlueisNotaWarmColour 2 года назад
@@KaminoKatie I think the problem with comparing Snoke to the Emperor is... we already got the Emperor. He was evil incarnate, the devil on Vader's shoulder, and his name tells everything we need to know about him- there's an Empire and he's the one in charge. Snoke is, um, also the Emperor but not? Emperor 2? It's the inherent downside to being the 5th/8th film in a 40-year-old franchise. Audiences expect an explanation to contextualize any addition to the narrative.
@GuyWilliamss
@GuyWilliamss 4 года назад
This was a really great take. I still don't like TLJ all that much, but after this video I don't think I resent its creation and its creator anymore. Thank you Mr. Nerrel for lessening my Star Wars related cynicism.
@sebas8225
@sebas8225 4 года назад
Yeah, we are going to have to admit, it took him some balls to get involved with this franchise.
@liquidladdy
@liquidladdy 4 года назад
@@sebas8225 It took even more balls to make such a bad video
@randomovies1094
@randomovies1094 4 года назад
Still dislike the last Jedi though but that’s cool, not so much from a canon standpoint but from a story telling standpoint. (Cause this was actually a really well made video and actually changed my mind on a few things).
@vikingroach6120
@vikingroach6120 4 года назад
Good on you for giving it a chance.
@mphylo2296
@mphylo2296 4 года назад
Thanks for being open to genuine discourse. That's seemingly rare among the anti-TLJ camp.
@bluecaptainIT
@bluecaptainIT 4 года назад
That's the case for me aswell. I still dislike it, though. The problem is still MaRey Sue and the new actors, had their acting being more deep the story would have benefitted (except Hux, he's a good actor, too bad they made him an idiot in TLJ, I liked him in TFA)
@Firenail187
@Firenail187 4 года назад
Pretty much the same for me. I actually really liked the ideas inside TLJ, the very same ideas Nerrel talks about, and that's why I ended up disappointed by the movie because I didn't like how those ideas were implemented. The writing just doesn't work for me and a lot of specific stuff felt to me forced and contrived, kicking me out of the film. I'm still hopeful about episode IX and interested to see where they want to go with it though.
@kboi1170
@kboi1170 4 года назад
Same with me. The problem with TLJ for me wasn't that it was canon breaking (The Force Unleashed destroyed SW canon but people still loved it), my problem was that TLJ is an actual monstrosity storytelling wise. The plot, in general, was nonsensical and convoluted and wouldn't have made sense even if it wasn't a Star Wars movie.
@CueninsCove
@CueninsCove 4 года назад
This video perfectly touches every point I could ever make, and in the best way. Whether you love or you hate The Last Jedi, this is a video everybody should watch! Great job man!
@RichboyJhae
@RichboyJhae 3 года назад
it's depressing that the luke hallway scene in this video was a joke, then mando went and literally did it. the fanboys have taken over.
@thefilmrookie3099
@thefilmrookie3099 3 года назад
So true.
@scroppy6953
@scroppy6953 3 года назад
to be fair, those were droids that were in his way of saving grogu
@trustno173
@trustno173 3 года назад
Yes, having Luke be a hero and not a whiny, cowardly piece of shit who stood by and allowed billions of people to die and then bitched when asked to help is so terrible. Fuck off with your pretentious bullshit. The sequels damaged Star Wars and now Mando is fixing it.
@scroppy6953
@scroppy6953 3 года назад
@@trustno173 typical Star Wars fan
@thefilmrookie3099
@thefilmrookie3099 3 года назад
@@trustno173 “everything you just said, is wrong.” You really need to put into perspective that he shit himself off from the force so he wouldn’t be tempted to help. Paying attention you’d see that his intentions are heroic. He wanted the galaxy to balance itself out without the Jedi. He was disillusioned and all hero’s are wrong. As the movie makes him out to be, also that is the lesson yoda teaches Luke. Saving the galaxy by keeping the spark of hope alive, and igniting it to a blaze when he stands up to the first order, inspiring any to do the same. Which Luke is based on hope. The mandalorian Luke just comes in, destroys an army of robots (cheap way to make someone seem badass). Then takes grogu, not giving the audience hope, but making us sad and the characters that a part of them and the show is taken away. Which to me doesn’t represent the hopeful Luke. Doesn’t it?
@kjsm6167
@kjsm6167 4 года назад
Wow. You did it. I mean, you really did it. Now the only thing I'm not jazzed about in TLJ is Space Vegas Adventure. But everything else...damn. It's good, isn't it? Thank you. You've released a whole pocket of hate in my heart. You beautiful bastard.
@sambafreak13
@sambafreak13 4 года назад
I've learned to love the Space Vegas scenes (I'm using that from now on, btw) since they set up some important themes about war profiteering and show us a glimpse into how these stories affect regular folks throughout the galaxy. This is some bigger contest the other movies haven't given us before, and i dig it even if its a little goofy.
@kidryder7750
@kidryder7750 4 года назад
I personally feel like only one third of the film is good: the Rey and Ben part. They bring interesting ideas to the force and rise certain questions about the past and the future. However the other two thirds, Finn and Poe's stories, aren't very well put together and just seem like vague ideas about what they wanted to do slapped in there for the sake of being their.
@retro704
@retro704 4 года назад
Play kotor 2,it's that part but done better and with actual characters
@charlesparsons6071
@charlesparsons6071 4 года назад
I do enjoy the interesting part of Luke force projecting across the galaxy
@drosera88
@drosera88 4 года назад
Thank you! Most of the movie is meh (if you disregard canon) but I really wanted the Rey and Kylo plot to go somewhere, not like they're in love, but like Rey actually joins Kylo. She had a lot of reasons too but it felt like that didn't happen because Disney wouldn't let it. In fact, Kylo Ren's arc is probably the highlight of the movie (to the point of being almost incredibly good), I just think they made some bad decisions in setting up his arc (i.e. Snoke turns into an idiot for a single scene and gets killed because of it despite the fact Snoke is clearly brilliant, probably even smarter and more dangerous than Palpatine ever was).
@tylergalligani6450
@tylergalligani6450 4 года назад
This is a pretty fair perspective. I personally think it's mostly just Poe's plot that feels "wrong". Finn and Rose's plot feels oddly like a metaphor for Disney itself if you look hard enough and I think I appreciate it in that way
@rostigerrolf4490
@rostigerrolf4490 4 года назад
This video didnt mention the elephant in the room. The god damn starship chase in space and no one is using their god damn hyperdrives. Its like they wanted to copy Battlestar Galactica but failed.
@knightriddler777
@knightriddler777 3 года назад
"Destructive power is a Sith thing." Oh, boy...
@Epiousios18
@Epiousios18 3 года назад
I don't get it. Are you referencing Luke in the Mandalorian? There is a reason why in one hallway scene robots are being destroyed and in the other human beings are being slaughtered.
@knightriddler777
@knightriddler777 3 года назад
@@Epiousios18 I was, but that's a fair point.
@benjaminwatson7868
@benjaminwatson7868 2 года назад
@@Epiousios18 isn’t it supposed to be an ongoing moral thing in Star Wars whether droids are people or not
@bageltoo
@bageltoo 2 года назад
@@benjaminwatson7868 The movies never seem to think much of it. Droids like C3PO are bought and sold like property, despite being living, independent beings.
@aolson1111
@aolson1111 2 года назад
@@Epiousios18 What if it was humans in the hallway, instead? Would he have turned around and flew off?
@nuttbutt8358
@nuttbutt8358 3 года назад
I can’t BELIEVE you predicted the mandolorian season 2 finale.
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