Ten Thousand years of unrelenting war and Imperial decay. *Belisarius Cawl siting on Legions worth of Super Space Marines.* "This is fine." *sips coffee*
Certainly fits with the Cawl we know, especially if we include all their equipment. If Marines can be vat-frown in a year and psych-indoctrinated in a day then there's a good chance that Cawl took extensive notes from the failed foundings, the experiments of Corvus Corax, and even the Daemonculaba, eventually becoming certain that any new marines would not turn into chaos-spawn.
@@stephenconnell Bowels are not required for eternal servitude to the omnissiah and the Machine God I may suggest indoctrination into the. cult of the machine, the mechanicus can always use more skittari, if this specimen proves inadequate, it may be undergo reclamation.
@@anoninunen you have to remember that crawl is a bs plot driver and a paper thin explanation for GW remarketing the space marines. The cursed founding was a thing LONG BEFORE crawl was a thing.
I wonder if there is some huge department on Terra responsible for the color scheme of new chapters discussing hundreds of years til they decide if it's going to be a pine green or rather a sea green for their shoulder plates.
Im fairly certain the chapters themselves choose their color schemes from their first brothers. Color schemes can shift and change as time goes on as well.
Pretty funny, but at 120 likes at the point of writing this and no one has mentioned that 13 + 7 = 20 instead of the desired 21? Now I see how the Adeptus Administratum make so many errors and no one notices haha
Currently recovering from a heart attack in the hospital. The Emperor protects. (Thank you all for your prayers to the Emperor, turns out I was incredibly Lucky, all the symptoms and signs of a heart attack, but it turns out to be an "Acute Pericarditis" I'm recovering quickly, I'm going to use this chance to purse my passion and dream.) That of course putting the holy book onto pages, and sharing with the world our Emperor, and his dream of unity. "There is no end, no doom of man. Only the dream of countless children following in the steps of their forebears, into a glorious future." One that we all can stand together, in his service.
Eagerly waiting for the Lamenters entry. Poor guys just can't catch a break, but they must be one of the most selfless and true of all the Emperor's servants.
Cawl doesn't screw up like this, he way, way more careful. It may well be someone find out about Cawl's continuing experiments with Primaris in M35. But found Cawl's careful, methodical and patient progress to be unnecessary. Even if they had all Cawl had created up that point, it seems in the rush they only made monsters. Though no known Chapter from the Cursed or any other Founding display any of the new qualities described here. It may well be the Chapters of the Cursed Founding had only genetic modification/experimentation and not new organs. Which may have just been Phase 1 of the project. As for why Bile never made anything of it. Bile is probably the only other human besides Cawl of pulling something like this project off. But after finding the rushed, ill understood and haphazard nature of this project. Probably abandoned and destroy everything and everyone from it eventually.
Incunabla? Sounds strangely like the anathema that is the creation of the warsmith Honsu, the Daemonculaba. There are marked similarities in the methodology, and iirc Fabius Bile was involved in that project. If anything, I think that unspeakable monstrosity is a direct product of the Accursed 21st Founding.
@@s2korpionic Considering his book places the successful creation of the Primaris in M31, _ten thousand years_ before the Primaris are revealed because Rowboat Guile Man was dead at the time and Cawl was under explicit orders to not do anything with them eithout Guilliman's okay, Cawl is Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roullette-Fourth Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker, thirty moves ahead but Super Hamlet-level indecisive Mary Sue. Variant 4, I believe. Long story short, he out Emperor's the Emperor in The Great Work, and he also has 6 backstories, 6 personalities, and is actually just 6 people occupying the same body. Or he's three grots in a Mechanicus robe. ...I hate Cawl with a passion. And I hate the Primaris, too.
True the hot housing of these bigger than normal Astartes has Fabius Bile's fingerprints all over it. These smack of his new men, or some manner of Astartes plus.
I remember that series. My impression is, the Inquisitor who headed up this project got his hands on some of Bile's Homo Novus specimens, alive or dead. He recognized that, heretical as all hell though they were, they also represented incredibly advanced genetic engineering, so he decided to get the Mechanicus involved in reverse-engineering them and combining them with the Astartes program. This super-Space Marine project would be a great cover for a Thorian looking for ways to reincarnate the Emperor. Unfortunately for everyone involved, they succeeded, only for Fabulous Bill to show up and say "hey, thanks for all your hard work, I'm just going to kill you all and take your research notes now."
The tragedy of the Space Marines was that before the revival of the avenging son of the Emperor, the Space Marines were a dying race. The genetic material of the Geneseed was the upmost importance to the creation of space marines, but over time the geneseed was started to fall to corruption for overuses and flaws inherited by the Primarch own genetic code.
Sees oculus imperia video pop up, says it was uploaded 1 minute ago. Welp! My research paper writing shall now be aided by the soothing voice of a great imperial chronicler! *Huzzah*
There is undeniably elements of the Warp in their creation. To tamper with that balance, a balance constantly being examined and maintained, risks the creation of monstrosities.
@@jackmyers8687 the superhuman mutant Wolverine who is for sure an abomination in the eye of the emperor. Or where you referring to the brave teenage militia "Wolverines" from The Red Dawn?
@@phreakazoith2237 Apologies. wolverine from the X-Men. Bone blades covered in adamantium p no with Dragon Claws. Also, ostracized by it even though it's completely badass. Contract, Primaris are mutant geneseed that is for some inexplicable reason socially acceptable, even though it's a far worse crime.
@@jackmyers8687 All this is quite hilarious to me considering that *all* astartes are mutants. The Primarchs are mutants. Heck, the Emperor is the most mutant of all.
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As a major fan of the hallowed 9th legion/chapter, the Lamenters make me sad. Such kind and selfless sons of Sanguinius afflicted by a long series of tragedies, this truly is a cruel universe.
when he said they were reviving the third guy< for some reason I expected himt o step out of the tube, and immediatly trip and break his neck, and turn out to be a prototype lamenter.
Pardon my low Gothic but I fucking love this channel and the presentation of every video, it feels so immersive and gripping it keeps me coming back every upload. PS: the choir is a nice touch really ties it all together.
I felt like I was listening to an actual Black Library publicae the quality of the logs were so amazing. Many thanks for doing the lore justice from a fan of both the Lamenters and The Sons of Antaeus.
My boys of the 21st! My space marine army that i am building are The Sons of Antaeus! Aka: DAMN THEY THICK! Run counts as death guard Personal canon is their geneseeds are ultramarines, not Death Guard, as ultramarines are very stable. What makes then big is the start with candidates from a planet whose population is proto-ogryn. Huge by human standards but still with baseline mental facilities. Then during the implementation of the first 5 organs they use some techniques that are refined and less intense versions of the treatments used on the Thunder Warriors. So I'm kind of modeling the units on thunder warriors. Model size they will be larger than primaris
This video is a lie! All Astartes are blessed by the Emperor and are free from curses. They remain the bastions of hope and purity in our dark times. I hope the Inquisition gets to know of this upstart
This occurred 10k ago? Well that kinda lines up with the beginning of the Ultima Founding? As a Casual fan my knowledge of lore is nascent at best so forgive my ignorance if I'm mistaken. But going with that something occurs to me, with the Ultima Founding being created by the Mechanicus it seems Logical that one or even more Redundancy Plans would have been started. If all I've read years back and gleaned in the recent years on the creation of Spacemarines, several foundings being lost to time as this one in your record here demonstrates, then it can be inferred that known and perhaps lost facilities or built for purpose like the one here, would have been set up and were working towards the same overall goal, but perhaps with a partial foundation of inter project Competition. The record and your gatherings from it suggest Fabius Bile, a known Cloner with facilities of his own, as the culprit behind the attack. Depending on the Timeline for this attack would place Bile's Career of Cloning Spacemarines and Primarchs into perspective. Establishing that and comparing that to Bile's record could also indicate possible interests in Other facilities. The likelyhood of this will be inferred by the number of lost foundings and facilities created or reused for those purposes. We know reuse is one thing as the Primaris and the Grey Knights are both created there. Both in secret, one a massive project and the other Chapter scale operation. Each Chapter has the human upgrade to Spacemarine technological capacity which contains a majority of the necessary gear save for the incubation equipment and related gear and personnel requirements. As Bile has cloned himself to extend his existence several times, he has to maintain the means to continue his work. Not All of which he can make himself and the rate of conflict his work gets him into causing his own death, destroyed labs etc, he Can't go back to the same facilities and raid and pillage them for what he needs. This record and examination from the archeologists state the place had only been attacked the one time. So Bile didn't return or take over the facility, took what he needed, killed everyone to cover his tracks and left. If any of his Clones, of him or his favorite Clone primarchs occurred before this attack then there are Other Clandestine Facilities for the same purpose. So many thousands of worlds in the Imperium, so many lost forge worlds and the like. And now the possible riddle of the Yellow King suggesting Another Force built in secret by one of the Adeptus Custodes and the Yellow King himself, Rumored to be Rogal Dorn. Guilliman returns with the Primaris, it can now be Inferred that Rogal Dorn returns, he's coming back with an Army of his own, solely trained by Dorn and the Custodes. THAT is an AWESOME thought. Dorn has been gone for approximately 10k years. He'd need to be perceived as dead to go off and build what he's been building with the Custodes. The likelyhood of him coming back with a sizable Force knowing his disdain for breaking up the Legions while Understanding it, I can infer would be quite High indeed. I wonder what other of the Loyal Son's who are M.I.A. could Trusted with perhaps doing the Same. Because there's one thing that's always bugged me about the missing and living primarchs. IF Dorn is Alive and shows up with an Army, Who Else will do the similar? From a marketing perspective if One primarch coming back is good for business, then so should others as well. And for Balance...well who's to say none of the Traitor Primarchs who haven't been seen in a while shouldn't get the same rollout treatment. The next popularity and growth expansion spurt for GW is on the horizon so it makes sense that there's a lot of building up going on to that effect from what I'm seeing anyways.
Perfect way to start an evening of painting. My Warhound is finally assembled and I can start the color job. I feel like a vegan, telling anyone who will listen I got a Titan.
You know Alpharius fucked up when he needed Corax to do some Sneeky Beaky in order to repair Alpha Legion numbers. (Laughs in misinformation.) I loved that book if only because I enjoy the Raven Guard.
Biologis: "Okay, so the good news is that we made some new and improved space marines that should be even stronger than the previous iteration. The bad news is that some of them may or may not have the geneseed of traitor Primarchs in them like Horus or Perturabo or, Omnissiah forbid, Konrad Curze or Lorgar. So... Yeah. Whoops. At least, if any of them are sons of Magnus, then we'll know when they start randomly mutating into piles of braying flesh."
The Cursed Founding is one of my FAVORITE topics, the Black Dragons and the Flame Falcons especially. The Flame Falcons are a story of immense tragedy, taking to a warzone with an Inquisitor in tow, and during battle some of their kin were engulfed in flame... and yet this flame didn't burn THEM. The Flame Falcons rejoiced, thinking this was clearly a blessing of the Emperor... but the Inquisitor saw it as clearly the sign of heresy, knowing or unknowing. He contacted the Grey Knights, who sent a force to purge the Flame Falcons in their entirety. When I first read it as a teen I thought it was arrogance or purtanical choice on the Inquisitor's part but... now, as a full fledged adult, I can only imagine that while that could be true, the Inquisitor could have also wept. For what he did was no less than exterminate an entire chapter of the Emperor's finest, for what seemed to be mutation beyond their control. But such is the heavy weight of the duty of the Inquisition.
There's a fun short story called The Virago Fastness, about a group of marines solely pulled from the Cursed Founding all getting put on a squad within the Death Watch. It made me want to read more about that ragtag little group of misfits.
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So, I am interested to see how messing with the gene seed of an astartes chapter could cause ill luck, A-La the Lamenters. Genetic issues for the Black Dragons, The Flame Falcons, The Blood Gorgons are all very evident. But ill luck? Since the Lamenters are sons of the Angel, I wonder if some psychic backlash causes the coin flipped for these unfortunate marines to always fall ill...
Well, there is a basic theory that goes like this: The Primarch's capabilities were partially psychic/warp in nature. As goes the Primarchs, so go their gene sons. It is known that a Psyker can, intentionally or not, 'curse' one with improbable ill fortune. From jamming weapons to random numerical errors in record keeping that mark a (relatively) innocent person as guilty of crime, to simply stumbling just as they go to throw a grenade. If, as some posit, the Ultramarines exceptional record of success is due to a passive warping of the odds in their favor, then a passive warping of the odds _against_ the members of a chapter is also possible. This might also explain why, despite their exceptional misfortune, the Lamenters have never been wiped out. As their numbers fall, so does the strength of their ill fortune, allowing them to recover just enough to be torn apart once again in an endless cycle of _nearly_ being annihilated.
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the old fluff for the Legion of the Damned had them as the remnant of the Fire Hawks who survived being lost in the warp, IDK if that has been retconned
The radio crackle effect is really fuckin' grating. Please don't use it every 5 seconds, it's quite awful for the ears despite the interesting content.
For me Scribe. It seems two different projects were underway on that planet. Not a singular project. It seems easy to confuse the two projects due to the data corruption. But this is what I have been able to discern. One project involved improving the Astartes production. Another seems to have been focused upon creation of near Primarch or unnervingly (in its scope) recreating a vessel worthy of The Emperor of Mankind? "New man" project in Low Gothic. Is this not an original moniker of the beloved Emperor? What is clear. Treachery was at work on that planet by persons unknown. The mere presence of Fabius Bile confirms this.
Cause of ya accent I thought u said inquisitorial ejits lmao not agent's I was like waa well they behave like ejits a lot lol diddnt know it was lore it is now dude
Would you do a video about civilizations/planets not yet reclaimed by the imperium (such as the severan dominate or the civilization on Adrantis Five that Macharius encountered in M41)?
While there are patterns of videos I'd like to see (Ultramarines Origins and Tactics, Prelude to Heresy), when you put up surprises I love them as well. Such good narration to work to, or just to hear.
