A Libertarian Builds Low-Cost Private Schools for the Masses 

"educated people": I am so glad that my entire career life is based around a piece of paper that dictates what I already knew in high school. All that money wasted on this piece of paper, rather than my own skills. Also "educated people": What do you mean the public schooling system is flawed? How else can you acknowledge a persons worth other than their degree in education? Jeez how stupid can you be?

So true. Although i went to a private school the teaches with their "masters" sometimes were garbage. And someone with a couple years of college and some smarts could easily out-teach many of these dummies with degrees.

True, but I can sympathize a bit. When you're employing millions of people, it's hard to go case-by-case. And going by papers is better than choosing completely at random. This is one of the biggest problems of centralization. There is a reason entities that grow too large tend to become slow and unresponsive and usually collapse.

The size of the company is not the problem. The ability to train employees and adapt is the problem. Telling everyone to choose teachers who have masters degrees is tying up the success of schools to the value of a masters degree, which is determined by the quality of some university somewhere that is probably a scam (most universities are scams). So it can't be quickly adapted if, say, the worth of a degree drops by 50% in 10 years. But that doesn't mean your CEO has to hand-pick every teacher, they just need to codify a more reliable way of determining if a teacher will be successful. If the success of your business depends entirely on the success of teachers (like when you're competing directly and must out-perform "free" public schools every single year) then you can afford to spend a little extra on perfecting your testing / screening and get the right people instead of just falling back on sketchy certifications.

@@gorkyd7912 : A teaching certificate doesn't mean a whole lot, other than that the person took a lot of education courses that are NOT related to the disciplines they mean to teach. As a former college student, I saw the wash-outs who decided to get a teaching certificate because they weren't fit to compete in any major area of study. A master's only says you have some competence in the content area. A teaching certificate only says that you took a bare minimum of regular courses and a bunch of "education" courses. Neither says you're any good as a teacher. Only observing you in the classroom and seeing how students respond really tells you, and that's easy enough to do, unless it's a public school and administrators (and teachers) don't want to visit classrooms. In a private setup, if you suck, you're OUT. In a private setup, parents have real skin in the game, and if you suck, they're pullin' their kids out and spending that money somewhere else. There's no penalty for failure in the public schools. The worse you suck, the more money you get. And year after year, the number of staff and administration per actual working faculty member goes up and up, without end. And there are actually LESS staff supporting the actual faculty. The staff and administration do everything BUT anything related to the actual teaching and learning. And every time you TRY to implement something meaningful and really quality-control-related, the teachers' union or some state bureaucrat will obstruct you. Public education is a definite scam, and some of the worst scammers are the people always whining for MORE money. It's not a money thing. It's a product-quality thing. And nobody holds the public schools accountable. And NOWadays (and for the last 20 or 30 years), it's all been dumped on the COLLEGES to remediate all the damage done by k-12, instead of holding k-12 accountable. But "student success" means students pass. And the only way to guarantee that students pass is to lower standards, which they've been doing non-stop since I started teaching back in the 1980s.

To bad they focus on trump and problems and complaing

Olé!

Yes

Period

I’d really like to know who is paying extra for this schooling when their already paying money for the public school with taxes. I mean how can you compete with something you would be forced to pay for twice??

for Adam Smith the market is neither moral nor immoral but amoral. You should not morally classify which capitalist is more benevolent than others.

@@jereee4732 you clearly have never read a page of Smith, and most definitely have not read the _Theory of Moral Sentiments_ . also, it should be obvious that one individual =/= a large group of people lmao

@@prenuptials5925 Is the theory of moral sentimenta required for understanding wealth of nations or is it just complimentary?

@@rangav248 I think you can read one without reading the other but if you want to have the full idea about Smith's ideas you should read both. It is like , I do not know if you play video games , assassin's creed. You can start with any game you want but they are interconnected to some extent.

Yes, everyone for themselves and if your income is low, you don’t have a car or you have a learning disability then you are on your own.

HEY, DO YOU KNOW TRUMP? TRUMP! TRUMP DID THIS! TRUMP SCANDAL! TRUMP BUYS IMMIGRANTS? TRUMP DEPORTS IMMIGRANTS! TRUMP SAYS SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL!

Isaac G. What's even worse is, while the liberal media is bashing Trump 24/7, the conservative media is just saying, "Can you believe what the liberal media is saying about Trump!?" Trump has said a lot of stupid shit. GET OFF IT ALREADY! TELL ME WHAT HE'S ACTUALLY DOING AS PRESIDENT. THAT'S ALL I CARE ABOUT! THAT'S ALL THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT MY LIFE!

@@darkdudironaji - He is actually preparing America to face the fact that the cold war is over instead of racing around trying to start a new cold war in places like Iraq, Syria and Libya. He is proving to the American public that if we don't trap US forces in the third world, we don't need to be be bribing dictatorships like China by making bad trade deals. Trump is showing Americans how much of their wealth is being siphoned away by the neocons and neoliberals who want to use it to leverage power for themselves on the international stage. Because of that Trump has not murdered anywhere near the amount of people as any of the last four administrations taken alone. That is reason enough for anyone of conscience to support him and is the reason the neocon/neoliberal media lapdogs hate him.

@@jaycampbell6402 The media helped improve his image in the last 5-10 years. they make him look so good that there is no point in criticizing him at all. I have had zero criticisms of him since he has been president.

Eli-hu Ya these people write a thread about trump off topic complaining about how all media talks about is trump. Lmao. I'm sure u nor I give a fuck about him as a person or a president.

@@ry-t-ster9512 Libertarianism is a philosophy of ungoverning. It is actually anti-politics. Libertarian pols would be good at repealing laws, regulations and cutting taxes. These aren't qualities you typically find in a charismatic politician because voters tend to go for pols who promise to do something, not undo bad things.

@@ry-t-ster9512 I understand the framing bit. However, I think the problem has more to do with conditioning people have had for generations, going back to the Great Depression. People believe that government intervention in their lives is a good thing and necessary. Ever debate with a retired schoolteacher about Roosevelt? I have and she actually believed that because her family survived the GD and benefitted from the New Deal, that she knew economics better than I did. Any amount of charisma and appeal to emotions has to cut through beliefs like this. It's not an easy task. Someone like Oprah Winfrey might be able to do it, but she's firmly on the other side. She gets away with handing young starlets over to Harvey Weinstein, then gives her "Times Up" speech. Now that's charisma.

+1000

I think that is what I am saying... desks in a row..marching in lines and uniforms are all carryovers from military obedience BS

That is one reason I support school choice! So I can send my kids to a Waldorf or Montessori type school where their individuality is held high.

TickedOff Priest but there is no alternative to factory model.

A renaissance of privately tutored children is the answer, we need more teachers, and more teachers who can "sell" their skill and talents to the families directly, that way a rigorous program can be developed for each family and child as need be. This will increase the job market for teachers and not place them in the monopoly of the school system. +pax Christi!+

More parents teaching trades again ....

They do amazing. We hired a graduate from one of his schools who just finished up at NC State, kid is a superstar. Look at their Iowa Test results if you need more proof thalesacademy.org/academics/standardized-testing-performance

I come from one of Luddy's high schools, Saint Thomas More Academy. I graduated with a 3.1 unweighted GPA and went to The Catholic University of America and now have a 3.9 GPA. I know people who have gotten into Cornell, Case Western, Aquinas in Grand Rapids, and several other great schools and are doing fantastically. I'm surprised they only mentioned Thales, but to answer your question: a high level achievement generally exists for everyone who graduates. Also, it may be noted that STMA, a school that's about a 5 minute drive from Ravenscroft, has a tuition of around 9k and will gladly subsidize that if you don't have a high income compared to Ravenscroft's 20k.

Perhaps the kid would have been just as much of a superstar if he/she had graduated from a public school. My point is there is a lot of self selection going on here---the parent with the not very bright child probably isn't going to bother with the hassle and additional expense of Thales. Frequently you could just as easily explain the documented success of private schools to the quality of the kids they are admitting. Private schools don't put up with kids who don't care. Here's an example. Neighbor kid went to private school, until he brought a knife to school..Expelled! Who had to take the kid in? The public schools. Private schools can get rid of their problems easily; public schools cannot as easily.

@@aeroeng22 Very good point.

@@aeroeng22 good point, but I feel like saying that’s the only reason is simplifying it. The public school system is really ass sometimes, and kids don’t do well in it, even if they’re bright. I know a kid who was crazy smart, went to a shit public school and graduated to do minimum wage stuff.

Rod Pruitt good move I was also moved out by 4th grade and I excelled in life as a result and kept my religious conservative identity

when i was younger i used to think kids that were private schooled were snobs etc...i totally get it now ..public schools are a joke. i do not have kids but if i did i would find a way to pat for a school like this.. do you think they teach there is more than 2 genders and other nonsense like public schools?? no way.

I salute you, well done!

I moved schools when I was 13 it was my choice to leave my school. I considered any options charter, magnet, private, or homeschool. I also took into account all the public schools in my area and my disablities. I decided to go to a city school and I excelled! In 1 year my opinion of school changed, I started liking school and learning I had teacher's who cared about me. Now, I'm in one of my states top universities studying education. Teaching has been my passion since I was 15 years old! My dream is to one day run a school!

My last run through a school I came out dumber, angrier, poorer, and all together a genuinely worse human being. I'm not looking for sympathy, I just wanna say you've saved your children from a fresh hell that I and many others are still trying to claw our way out of. Big respects to you Sir!

Ash Cash god i hate doing both art and band. Sounds horrible. You don’t get choice which sounds not american.

You don't always get a choice in traditional public schools, either. They might give you some classes to choose from, but the choice is still controlled by them. I wanted to do computer tech, but they didn't allow that. A lot of what you learn can't even make you MONEY. A lot of these schools are just pimping children for MONEY!

Dee M yeah, at my middle school sixth graders HAD to do a music class, (Band, Choir, and/or Orchestra and if you didn’t do at least one of those, you were put into Music Appreciation for a semester) 7th Graders had to do Band, Choir, And/or Orchestra and if you didn’t do that, you did Art for a semester. 8th graders had Band, Orchestra, and/or Choir OR study Hall. They also had the choice of a foreign language or a semester of a careers class and a semester of Art. We didn’t get to choose most of our enrichment (stuff outside of English, Math, Science, History, or P.E.) classes, 6th graders had to do Home Ec. and Art, 7th Graders had to do Design, Health, Language survey, and Drama, and 8th Graders had to do Home Ec. And Computer Applications.

@@gamertimefriend1286 I think it's fine in elementary and middle school. That way you get a feel for what subjects may interest you. You also get a basic idea of those subjects.

How do you know how well they teach?

The tuition cost is extremely impressive. Even though they stayed roughly the same, with rising prices it's actually cheaper

But don't look into teacher turnover within the company. You'll be shocked by what you find.

​@@dtthept9275 I'm not sorry they fire bad teachers

@@Jormungadr no, they quit. My school alone had 4 vacancies in one year.

I 2nd this. Put one in Manchester.

I never understood why they didn't choose a place with a population that is already libertarian minded, like Arizona for example. Could have had a much greater impact with that Project that way...

camel595 -New Hampshire had some good Libertarian roots and the group voted for NH. NH was already Libertarian leaning and the FSP could make the most impact in a state like NH. I think your vote counts the most in New Hampshire's Electoral College then any other state. Plus no income tax and almost no sales tax.

camel595 also they wanted a state with a small population so that 20000 libertarians could be a significant impact.

yea, that makes sense, I just think that a place where Libertarians could enjoy to live, such as an agrarian homestead, open field type state like Arizona or New Mexico could have been more appealing to have people move, and maybe converting some like minded people in that state would have made a greater impact.

Daniel Holm. Many of those extras are not in the union, because they aren't teachers. Some are, but many are not. The administration model and the desire to create jobs for you and your staff tends to create these extra superfluous positions.

@@STho205 At the high school I went to all staff was in the union. This includes the salary division that made up some of the most senior members. The school did not cave to union demands for wage increases, the state did.

disagree...most of that 'extra' staff is due to government mandates. It's the cost of doing business when you take government money.

The teacher's union does not control who the school board hires. You the voter do.

The overwhelming majority of students in Japan graduate from high school.

Japan is a cooool place I reckon gets a lot of BS slander sometimes.

That's what the germans do

That's what pretty much everybody outside of North America does. And some of these are referred to as "socialist" by the same people who spend inordinate amounts of public money on sports teams in schools.

My college did this except we have tennis, baseball and soccer only

The only people who say this have never truly been involved with a sport, and seen the value it brings to the children involved in it. In the modern world it’s even more important as for many kids it’s the only way they go outside and play. When done right, even for students who aren’t the athletes, sports can truly build a community, a sense of pride in your school, and creates another avenue for educators to connect with students. We need more sports in schools. We need more kids being active and facing the intellectual and physical challenges sports create. We need healthy, diverse, creative problem solvers who are more than the product of an assembly line of memorized and regurgitated fact machines. We have computers for that. The students of the 21st century need to become masters of theoretical understanding and data manipulation. Not become task masters. The students coming from this school are going to be left behind in the economy of 2050.

@@j.g.mcbell9494 I'm willing to be these students will do far better than the majority of students in the public education system. I played sports, but the vast majority of students in a highschool don't play so, your point is completely emotional. You're skewing data. It's very likely that intellectually curious, or more elite individuals lean towards sports so that's why they would perform better, but that's 20% of a population. So we spend massive amounts on programs that only benefit 20% of the people who go through them. If it's a public good it needs to benefit 80% of the people and the other 20 will find their way because of their natural capabilities

beautifully said

Consequently, the highest "payers" leave for elsewhere.

Link is wonky. Click academics, then testing. Page of results.

Usually poorly performing students are the result of shit parents. Shit parents usually result from shitty grandparents. You get the idea. A teacher cannot fix that shit unless they become a figure in a childs life equivalent to a parent.... something dofficult to do with 120 + students.

The unfortunate solution is a wave of anti natalism. And younger people do see that and don't seem afraid to use it. Look at marriage rates. Look at divorce rates. Look at if people are having kids. That's one way to enforce change is not give any fuel until it happens.

agreed!

There are TONS of for profit higher education schools. Turns out they suck. How does University of Phoenix compare to UCLA? It sucks. People see a four year degree from most for profit higher education schools and give it the weight of a 2 year degree. The only places that don't are government jobs where the box for education must be checked. It is why student debt is 65% more from a profit higher education schools then a public school and the default rate is 6 times as high. Really, US higher education is world class. We have student from all over the world fighting to get into most of our non profit and public schools. Not so much for all our or profit higher education schools.

Loathomar

most of the problems in higher education stem from how we're handling our K12 education. We don't develop good math, reading, writing, or critical reasoning skills; we develop factory workers... where its "ok" to be a little under the bar. The problem is that isn't what we need, we need people who can read and understand the information presented to them, understand when numbers don't add up, reason their way through problems, and be precise and accurate in their language skills when they need to express an idea. The second biggest problem is that collage isn't for everyone, nor should it. The problem is that many of the common place jobs that pretty much any modern dick off the street could do, is covered by a liberal arts degree and not a technical degree. The difference being that a technical degree focuses on doing one task, while a liberal arts degree is designed to provide broad intellectual exposure. A computer technician used to need to be a straight up scientist who could do high levels of math and a broad understanding of physics and engineering, that isn't the case anymore. Basic math skills are acceptable, high levels of English skills and understanding of broad network construction is more important. That's something a technical school is ideally suited for. I'm an art major, my job is communication. I need a broad understanding of language, culture, history and philosophy so I can create products that are meaningful to the largest markets OR be able to single out very select markets. Arts benefits from a liberal arts education. Can it be done without a degree, sure, happens all the time, but usually takes less time and luck with a degree. Our higher education isn't designed to handle the number of people coming through and it often has to retrain people on English and math skills.

you get great returns as long as you go into a major that has demand like computer science or engineering.

@taxation is theft memes news & more, one thing that the government can do that a private group cannot do is put innocent people in prison for victimless crimes. One thing that the government does efficiently: Ruining people’s lives.

Professional athletes, even those not in the major American league, make so much more than the average person in the middle class that your argument can't be seen as anything but laughable. You don't think entertainment isn't "worth very much to anybody"? Their salaries argue otherwise. What's that libertarians say about markets again?

Shane Ayers. But their approach is an academic education facility should not be producing that athlete. City/County Parks and Rec should provide higher athletic coaching, facilities and teams. Each school having a sports complex, large lawn/field/court maintenance staff and large coaching staff JUST so kids (even younger kids) can pretend to be Ivy League colleges in 1920 to have home and away games is in fact very wasteful. The universities now use the schools to feed their bloated sports programs and then those programs feed the pro leagues. It doesn't have to remain that way. It probably will, but it doesn't have to. Originally pro leagues drew players from city leagues, not university programs. That started to change in the 30s as more schools got into the business of sports and pro teams had more schools to do business with. Your Harvard graduate was unlikely to throw footballs for a living at 25. Your Ohio State graduate probably would. It may not be the only way to do schools but it is a way. His model looks very much like Catholic Grammar School in the 50s and 60s. They produced great results at low cost.

Their approach as an academic institution should be to create the citizens we need in the future. This includes athletes. I'm not even sure how you can believe your argument has merits. We're in the middle of the worst obesity crisis our species has ever seen in this country. if anything, we should be placing an even higher value on the integration of regular exercise into everyday life, not suppressing it.

Shane Ayers. Well the schools have been doing coached athletics PE since the 30s and 40s in MS and HS, and since the 70s in Grammar school as opposed to recess /free play. However obesity has been RISING since those times, especially after free play for elementary was nixed in favor of structured PE. If mainstream schools are supposed to keep kids fit, then they are doing a poor job (and the cheap junk food lunches help a lot too). Again, city and county parks and rec could handle the coached athletics after school and school could easily end at 2pm if just classroom time and one or two free play recess periods. After school programs would then have 3 hours till pickup at 5:30 or 6. It used to work. What we're doing now isn't. It may identify, sort and foster the elite athlete, but pretty much gives a wag to the average kids health.

You didn't adequately address my point. The fact that public schools are executing a good idea poorly is not sufficient cause to leave it out entirely in this model. You're also conveniently leaving out the well-documented links between cognitive development and athleticism.

That's the real question. If teachers are paid 20k a year then in the long run this system doesn't work.

According to the 'School Growth' blog post 'Thales Academy is a Model of Efficiency' by Scott Barron, Thales pays its teachers and staff "salaries comparable to the public schools in the area," but you may want to do your own homework by contacting Thales Academy for salary information if you don't want to miss a beat.

I would gladly be a teacher if I was paid 20k a year.

They are paid exactly what the market will bear. It's a simple yet profound concept.

"Well" is a subjective term. What matters is whether teachers are being paid what they agreed upon with the administration. If you think the sum is low then you can act in order to make the pay higher but your actions should not involve intimidation using the violent force of government or anyone else.

LibertyDownUnder they’ve become libertarian buzzfeed at this point lol.

i wonder about that too. surely segregating special need kids is cheaper and more efficient. but what about those special need kids? are all special need kids gonna go to their special schools separated from "normal" people? is that desirable? is that cruel?

@@williamadiputra2850 No, it's absolutely normal. No "normal" (however you'd like to define it) kid wants to be around them. This might be a tangent, but it's always funny to me how the pro-abortion left all of a sudden starts worrying about the mentally special; can you imagine them saying they should be aborted in the womb BECAUSE of their disabilities?

@@parisgansmuelly1052 I went to school where there were students with special needs and I don't remember feeling uncomfortable around them. If they needed help I'd help them if I could and so did my friends. This was not a great burden on me. I guess it was a different time when people weren't JERKS!

@@abrahkadabra9501 well where i went to school they seperated me into a esl class because i was asian and there were other special needs type people there as well if i recall correctly... So we were already seperated... Not sure how they do it elsewhere but public school is indeed a joke

@J R The NCAE is a union in all but name....

School uniforms serve various functions .. But the main one is to comply and form good citizens

Randy Perez OK smart guy tell me what purpose school uniformity serves besides to stifle individualism ... Now explain what you mean by discipline and obedience as it pertains to society

Self discipline and obeying the social norm of respecting the person and property of others conflates to military type enforcement and uniformity how?

LOL. You are trolling in your other comment and then try to troll with a guy who actually has kids in a private school. How about you tell us how many kids you have in elementary or middle school?

Wearing a uniform is somehow "military type enforcement"? Wearing uniforms unifies people, be it work, a factory or the military. Social norms are how societies form and fuction, lacking a uniform we naturally seek other things to identify our social group, say skin color, slogans, political parties, ect. If I wear a mohawk and a spiked jacket with patches, I must be a punk. That is the punk "uniform" as is culturally precieved. If I wear business suit, polished shoes and comb down my mohawk I'm a business man. If I call my mohawk a high and tight, strap on my uniform and carry a rifle, I'm a soldier. I do all of those things, what am I? An individual who chooses who and what he is. Someone who lacks a uniform isn't an individual, they're baseless. I'm also a furry, many furries have no social ability and do not fit well in social situations. Often, in normal every day life they wear things that are totally inappropriate for their situation. The lack the skills to recognize the "uniform" they should be in to be accepted in any society. Yes, they are individuals, but they are often practically incapable of interacting with the rest of humanity. They can be smart, talented or just good people, but they do not fit in anywhere(often not even with other furries).

Nice to have those dreams ... Trump loves the state

I think he's pragmatic. He loves the state when it works well for him. In the case of his nominee for Secretary of Education, her commitment to vouchers and charters is extremely well known and well respected (and of course loathed but by all the right people).

are you kidding me? did you see the senate hearing session? she is incredibly stupid. I don;t know how her family trusts her with their business. I live in Switzerland and lived in Sweden and Denmark. I also studied in Switzerland and Sweden and taught in some other places. and these countries have public school system and it is totally working where the state actually invests in its people. where the majority believes that education is a human right not a privilege.

"This is a huge reason why I like the Trump pick for the education dept..." *Facepalm* Does anyone else remember the days when Trump supporters were trying to get libertarians to vote for him back when he was talking about abolishing the DoE? Trump voters seem to have shorter memories than leftists.

Yes, abolish the federal dept of education. It fails kids across the country.

A valid concern, but if I may make a counterpoint: if public schools followed Luddy's model, they'd have a lot more money with which to provide services for said children with disabilities. Instead, they're paying for specialized sports fields, non-teaching faculty, et al. Failing that, they should just stop charging taxpayers as much, and since the USA is already #1 in terms of voluntary social spending, I imagine it would not be so hard for one or more NPOs to provide such services.

That is a great counterpoint. I agree with you about the issues with spending and waste done by most public schools . Now that I have thought about efficiency in regards to the current special education strategies used in public schools( that I have seen ). Usually ,an aide is given to the children( sometimes one on one depending on the child's needs). I wonder if there is a way to reduce the numbers of staff working with the special education department. But, also maintaining the quality and efficiency of the education. Has it been done before? I'll do some research and get back to you, or hopefully someone will beat me to the punch!

You have to start somewhere. Like any other product or service, over time fully privatized education would eventually bring down the costs of education so that kind of specialized education would become affordable as well.

Studies have actually shown uniforms actually only highlight the wealth gap more, since poorer kids still can't afford the nicer brands.

@@battleskorpionYT We bought our uniforms directly from the school, so there were no differences.

@@timothynash2993 Yeah, I'm from England and we got all my private school's uniforms from a 3rd party business who made the uniforms for everyone in the area. AFAIK it was the only place you could get that school's uniforms from. Either way the company had regular profits every year. The uniforms were all good quality and not too pricey either (important because 1/6 of the students were on a 90% paid scholarship so they didn't have much money). The school also ran a uniform donation bank so poor families could buy good quality hand-me-downs cheap. It was great.

I'd like to know more too but I'd assume his expansion is based on demand which is a general indicator.

Whenever there is competition to get in, you know the word is out on how good they are doing.

Of course its great. I didnt learn jack shit in school and i live in one of the highest taxed states in the country.

student outcomes is largely determined by race, IQ, family situation and not schools, proven with science, nicer schools dont make better performers.

Private schools in Australia are massively subsidized by the government. The 6K is only your parents out of pocket expense

sour grapes?

And there are sports leagues for that.. parents, not the school should proivde that

@ I homeschool using ACE. Would love to start an ACE school at my church one day. 😊

Chris Snyder Like discipline?

How about you do it? Or would you rather gripe about a business man making education better for students and their families?

Yes ... it came from Germany to "form good obedient citizens " .... People that voluntarily enjoy and come to learn don't need to be treated like the military..

Trying to improve society ... didn't say this was bad. In fact in the video he says he is still under state BS regulations

Well under free market schools you'd be able to send them to more individual schools. Some already exist like Waldorf schools, while not really that great, are an example of what could be offered.

Lmfao same. In Elementary, it was a litteral daycare. Then in highschool we got actually challenging work and I just realized I had ADHD and got diagnosed in grade 11 lmfao.

Ir doesn't have to be a model for the whole country. The whole point is to move away from one size fits all models. It is good for the country, as a whole, however because it is lessening the cost of public education with every child that it takes.

I honestly like the points that you've brought up. They're well thought out and seem to be from a place of reason. I just want to also add that the 27 student class size he's proposing is a bit excessive. From what teachers have said, 20 +/- 3 seems to be more manageable.

Some of the guidance counselors suck anyway. And some children need to WALK for exercise. I remember walking to school and even running sometimes if I was going to be late, lol. A lot of what's going on in public schools are a waste of time and taxpayer dollars. Children would be better off working at walmart or something. At least they'd be getting paid for something and maybe learning some type of skill. They could even save up enough money to pay for their own education. Some colleges cost less than public k-12 schools! I'd like to see community colleges (trade schools) compete against traditional schools.

Taiwan and China agree with your child labor stance.

@ lithium25693 So working at Walmart is child labor, lolol. I worked in crops and mowed lawns with an uncle and his sons during the summer while I was in junior high school. We made MONEY! That's something public schools don't give out. You sit there and get PIMPED while someone else (teachers) make money off of you. Also, as someone who played sports high school, many athletes work out and put their bodies through more physical (and sometimes mental) work than what's put into public schools sitting in a chair all day and being given unhealthy food for lunch. I wanted to learn computer tech, but my school wasn't even offering it. I also attended schools in different districts due to my dad moving around and being a teacher. I can tell you that some schools are more retarded than others! At one point in history schools actually had work shops and APPRENTICESHIPS (get paid to learn), but those have been slowly taken away. The founder of Zoho was helping children who can't afford to go to college by giving them apprenticeships. He attended Princeton and even states "We have a thousand engineers. We're been in business for 15 years....When's the last time anyone in our company use calculus." ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Zt5EMnATY_Q.html P.S. I also stated SOME children. Those who'd want to stay in public schools can, but give others who might be POOR another choice! And I'm stating that as someone who lived in a single parent home until my mom got married! Oh and I use to help my grandpa sell hotdogs and watermelons make change on the side. I guess that was slave labor as well, lolol!

I think part of the point is freedom of choice lets parents customize what they're paying for. Remember this school is supposed to be low cost

Which is the cost is lower for the parents. Duhhhhhh.

assault410 lol, I think most libertarians believe in a road commission 😂

Parker Wilson they do and honestly who paves the road is it the city or a company the city hires to do the job if the city can hire them why not you.

Toll roads my dude.

The private sector can and has built our roads. Checkmate.

My father back in Iraq paved a city road for his projects, he knew where to get cheaper labor and less expansive materials for it. Know your market!

If a kid has to go through 12 years of schooling and comes out not having the adequate skills to compete in the job market, why do they need college?

@@erinmontoya1128 they need college to get the adequate skills. because middle and high school are bullshit. at least elementary school teaches you reading, writing, multiplication, adding and substracting.

@@basteagui yes and its generally easier to make friends in elementary school before everyone starts getting in their cliches and other stupid shit

yea can you explain. I'm not a libertarian so I don't have the slightest clue.

Samuel Morales Jr. well considering a parent has to put out a chunk of change, drop their child off every morning, pick them up in the afternoon, make lunches, and there is a 4:1 waiting list, it must be at least better than the public school it is competing with where all of that is "free".

Samuel Morales Jr. It really doesn’t matter when you have a choice. If the school is inferior to public schools, then it’s your fault for choosing it. That’s the point of privatizing the education department. It’s not just about better test grades, or having a sports team. I should get to choose where I send my kid to school.

Dylan T, no he created a private school, not a public school as you mentioned

Better than the publicly-owned factories that produce worthless students unworthy of a factory job.

+Norie92 What's the difference? it's literally same useless educational system, just state doesn't steal someone's money to pay for your "education". I want privatized system to see new forms of education emerge , to have diversity and competition of schools, I mean someone might like that charter schools, but I really don't, because it literally is factory to make brainwashed and obedient factory workers, I want to see private schools that respect my freedom to study what I want, and not force me to learn some useless shit.

To be fair, the historical reason for schools becoming more available was because they needed more workers back in the Industrial revolution. And the model from back then has barely changed

I understand your frustration, but how is ''peer mentor'' a bad thing. I have mentored an intern, and from this I have gained huge experience. I can also put this on my resume.