In the 3rd Infantry Division, they made a poster in an extremely similar style to that one for Operation Iraqi Freedom after we came back from there in 2003. I remember our battalion had reams of them that almost nobody wanted, but I made sure to get one. It's cheesy as hell, but it has grown on me.
T-mout looks awesome. With gear being worn over it, it almost has that quality of OD Green jumpsuits with black gear has, like the ones navy seals wore in the 90’s. I love that look, a very professional and refined look.
4:30 thru 4:34 I had a set of new non-issued shirt, pants, vest and helmet cover of this T pattern. Purchased from an officer in the Urban Soldier/Oakland operation. The reason I mention this is the vest, pants and BDU shirt had three different manufacturer labels. I looked up the manufacturer's information and observed the manufacturing facilities on Google satellite. The vest was made by prison labor (employment training). I can't remember which was made by which - but the BDU and pants had labels for (1) a handicap and (2) a family reconstruction (abused families) training centers. I just though to add this little known information to its history.
It's funny how many of those are perhaps store bought pattern, like: "Hey, the boss wants a high-tech urban camo pattern." "How much budget?" "A couple of millions." -comes back later- "This cost $15 dollars down at the Big 5, tell them we'll need a couple of million more in research."
I love how every UCP success story has something in it like "It works well, so long as there isn't foliage or dirt." lol Actually, speaking of foliage, I wonder how UCP would work as alpine camo in areas with conifers. (Imagine how it'd look among snow-covered trees)
I mean, if you're holding a rifle, acting like a soldier I'm highly doubtful any enemy soldier would think twice about shooting at you. If you're hard to see, they won't be able to spot you, and thus they won't shoot at you. However, if you aren't wearing any military gear, and are just doing Intel gathering, then I agree, regular clothes are definitely the way to go.
@@Walden-jx4mi Fair point. But the whole concern about "war crimes" is stupid when your enemy doesn't care, and thus you're putting yourself at a disadvantage for no reason
@@Juup2003 I value lives over reputation. I don't think I should be letting soldiers die because a bunch of politicians decided to create an arbitrary set of rules for war that only they care about. I also don't think I should let soldiers die to feel like I'm "better than the enemy", if the fighting gets dirty, it gets dirty.
Hi. Respectfully, I have photos of me wearing "urban woodland" in 1985. Bought the civilian produced but BDU milspec set at a local surplus store where they had a wide variety of woodland based but printed in neon colors as well as the black/grey/white urban woodland pattern BDU's. They were really popular with new wave kids back then. I still have the whole set from then : ). A friend and I discovered that urban woodland was nearly ideal for under an oak grove canopy in a full moon. Really effective.
desert patterns and straight khaki work very well too. the marines discarded their urban marpat when they discovered marpat desert actually worked better in urban areas
To be fair if I was gonna wear something for night time operations I’d wear navy blue, blends well into the shadows and unlike black it doesn’t create an unnatural moving silhouette that’s visible against the night sky
I don't normally like the look of these experimental patterns cause they do look pretty funky most of the time lol but this one is definitely really cool looking, got that SSTs vibe
The T block stuff is definitely cool. I’d wear it just for regular wear if I had pants or something. But for actual combat I think just flat dark grey would work in any city. A cement color. No need for a pattern.
I know a few commercial urban patterns have been done in a subdued style. One was a based off the M81 woodland pattern and the other was a digital. It was intended for use by swat units from what I have seen.
I always found it interesting how the GAFES used this camo for some time, and how this camo was used by some police organizations up to the 2010s where it started to disappear. Note: It's not this exact uniform but the Mexican government experimented with an urban woodland camo that was finally adopted.
The second pattern the Marines used I associate most with the Brotherhood of Nod in the original Command & Conquer. It clashed with the forests of Europe and the deserts of Africa that both campaigns were set in.
Little off topic.. In Vietnam some Army and Marine companies sometimes allowed their soldiers to wear private purchase camo uniforms. The village could make anything. I imagine that is a complication for uniform histories .
Roger that. I have an in country manufactured jungle hat my Father in law wore in Vietnam. He was there in 1965 with the US Marines. I have a picture of him wearing it when he was there. It's a 3 color leaf style pattern. It has a snap on one side on the brim to wear with that side up. He wrote "VIETNAM" on the brim.
IWe (82nd) took part in an experimental camo in between the DCU and the ACU. We only recived jackets and blouses not rucks or packs. I still have that uniform that I only wore once.
@@bobsteve4812 Uniforms dont have to get turned in. Anything that touches your body you keep which is why you see tons of uniforms in surplus stores. They pay like 5 bucks a set but I dont know If I want to part with them. Know what I mean, though its not like I am going to wear them either.
The DBDU - Desert Battle Dress Uniform Chocolate Chip Pattern was adopted in 1977 it saw very little use in Operations Gothic Serpent & Egale Claw it can manly be seen by our forces during Operation Desert Storm & Operation Restore Hope . In 1996 the DBDU - Desert Battle Dress Uniform was replaced by the Tri Color DCU- Desert Combat Uniform nicknamed the Coffee Stain.
Kinda pisses me off that no one reproduces-t pattern. Yeah it’s an odd camo, but it’s also really sought after. You’d think that being well sought after, a company such as rothco or tru spec would hop on it for a quick cash grab.
When it comes 2 comparison 1990 United States Urban Camouflage (Gray (Foliage like), Black and White) & ACU (Army Combat Uniform) Digital (Desert Sand (Whiteish) Background with Foliage Green (Grayish/Greyish Urban Green) & Slate Gray on top) blend in/go rather great with each other in Concrete Jungles/Urban Environments as well as the snowy locations in a way!
I would love to hear about the 2003 (I think?) Marine camo trials where Rhodesian Brushstroke, Tiger Stripe, and modern MARPAT were the top contenders, unless that's a load of horse shit.
I was wondering where is a good place to buy up old military uniforms that are surplus ? I'm interested in German summer camo's as well as possibly other older European uniforms but I don't know a good place to get them especially considering I'd need the precise lengths and dimensions rather than 'small - long' as it seems different organizations have different definitions of what is 'small' and 'long'.
The band Sabaton wears the grey urban woodland camo used in LOE1. If you haven't heard of that band, check them out. Their niche is military history and they do a great job of it.
Solution Dyed Ranger Green being a faded Grayish Green blends/works well with Universal Camouflage Pattern & it just might blend/work well with 1990's Grayish Urban Camouflage Patterns!
I was in a opfor unit in the late 80s early 90s and I have several Early Tested camouflage patterns that you're describing we got a lot of Experimental camouflage patterns we did a lot of testing so I have several different Camouflage patterns that we used. Now iam a big Collector of world camouflaged.
And at certain point the urban camo inspired China to a limit extent adopted for their airborne troops, that until the new pattern series debuted in 2019, it was more of a vocation colors than practical camo, same as to why the US military didn't adopt the urban camo... With the new camo pattern series, the practice of "vocation pattern" is to be abolished as the new uniforms rolling out to general issue.
I've done reconstructions of the T-pattern and the 2-color. I'm pretty confident in my T-pattern reconstruction, and I can say that it's a very wide pattern, like post-Vietnam US patterns usually are. Two-color is a lot tougher to figure out. I do have a horizontally-repeating reconstruction, but I am wholly unsure if it's fully accurate, as there's quite a bit of free space between the dark grey splotches, but the samples I've gotten suggest it has a diagonal repeat on the horizontal axis. Also, are its official colors light and dark grey or light tan and dark grey? I also have a reconstruction of the Dual-Tex. Took me a few years to find enough samples to get a repeating tile.
I was stationed in Bamberg at the time 2ACR was testing the DualTex. It was interesting to see and the felt it was better than the standard 4 color scheme when operating in the built up areas along the border near Coburg.
Marine Corps Uses coyote brown because it's neutral like OD Green is. They made sure to have coyote brown in their camouflage patterns when they made Marpat, so that it would match. The reason they did this was to save money on it. Armour vests are one of those things that you have to mass produce, its cheaper to use one color and one dye. Than to ise multiple to pattern them.
That's an interesting blub of not well known uniform history. In the early to mid 90's, MCSF PRP, MCSF FAST and MCSF RTT honestly just wore our normal uniforms under body armor that was better than the flak jackets of the time, but probably not as good as the protective gear infantry wear today. Some CQB teams wore the sage green Nomex flightsuit, but that wasn't really in the budget pre 9-11. MOUT has changed a bit over the last 30 years. It makes sense the uniforms have too.
Isn't there a psyops -element to camouflage? I remember something about it on the Discovery Channel back when the ACU was being developed, and that soldiers who felt they looked silly was less confident and comfortable when operating in civilian situations like directing traffic, and civilians predictably had less respect for the soldiers as a result, so a "cool" pattern was part of the calculation
I have a set of "urban" MARPAT that is a, well as you might guess a MARPAT in varying shades of dark and light greys. I think it's pretty cool looking and actually blends into urban/"concrete jungle" setting fairly decent in daylight especially if you hug the shadows and dang near disappear at night. And it's in the "ACU" cut with button fly and jacket but really noisy Velcro pockets. And now I'm transitioning to a multicam and I even found a multicam 8-point cover (hat). So I'll soon be getting the multicam urban and snow for my SHTF gear. Semper Fi 🇺🇸
I have a jacket that has the loe1 look, the tags on it looked a lot like tags you'd find on regular military jackets, I have to go thru storage to find it but imma have to look into it
@@biteme19671 White Urban known as Type 88 was worn by the PLA- Peoples Liberation Army Airborne units in China during the 80ty's & 90ty's. Blue Urban was worn by the Chinese Navy & Marine Corps. The Russian Spetsnaz adopted both patterns and the FSB - Fedral Security Beru wore it. The Chinese military has modified both camouflage patterns seince than making them digitalised. They added mint green and more white into the pattern removing black from Sky Camouflage also known as Blue Urban. Some SWAT units from around the world have used it for night operations. The American Military experimented with both patterns but they where never adopted. These would later be digitalised into the Army's UCP - Universal Camouflage Pattern & the Navy's NWU - Naval Working Uniform Type 1.
Nicely done I was curious how interesting a video about uniforms could be, and you made it easy to watch, entertaining, and informative. Cant wait for more.
I have an Army National Guard promotional jungle hat in the gray woodland pattern. I think I picked it up 20 years ago at a yard sale. It says "Army National Guard" on the front and has the American flag and a phone number on the back. It's actually very well made. Thick cloth, snaps on both sides to snap them in place, and a very nice adjustable chin strap. On the tag inside it says "One size fits all- made in China". WTH lol !!
There were a couple other versions of the T-camo made one that used white in place of the black and actually worked much better. As far as I know they were only made a samples and evaluated. Never were they given to troops to try. Most urban camos fail trials due to their performance against NOD
Others sources say the camouflage outfits worn by marines in the pacific -- after constantly stained with sweat and repeated washes the colors fade -- and were spotted almost immediately by Japanese snipers. They were later discontinued. I don't believe camo was employed in the Korea conflict in any major way, if at all....... and I hope you cover the unsuccessful camouflage uniforms worn by Normandy campaign soldiers who were mistaken at a distance by U.S. artillery for Waffen SS and other elite German outfits.
I think that the L.O.E 1 was the same known as " Snowflage " an artic camo with two greys , black and white , failed in both , the snow and the urban environment , buy achieve some succes in some police departments in the US and mexican special forces.
Good video man, I love to see info about camo spread to more people! You missed a couple patterns, including urban tracks, all over brush, the navy woodland patterns, and the air force trials tiger stripe pattern. I have a complete set of all 4 close combat uniforms and some other us experimental patterns. A lighter colored t-mout camo was actually tested by the army at natick laboratories!
Also, a desert variant of t-mout has been produced and used locally in the African country of Gabon, along with the original colorway! I know the guy who's Ebay listing you posted, he's yet to sell any repro stuff for the prices hes asking.
You can find myself, zedthefed, and other collectors on the occasional camo thread on /k/ on 4chan. Drop in and we'll be more than happy to help you with future videos!
Ah, the grey urban camouflage. The favorite go to uniform amongst every 90s action movie villain and mercenary team imaginable lol. Whether it be The Rock, Half Life, or even Wrongfully Accused haha
"FORGET ABOUT FREEMAN! WE ARE CUTTING OUT LOSSES AND PULLING OUT! ANYONE THAT'S DOWN THERE NOW IS ON THERE OWN, I REPEAT IF YOU WEREN'T ALREADY...What?!...Oh Shi- No! NO NO NO!!----------" Random HECU Soldier, Black Mesa
There's idiots in the Military Type 99 Oceanic was designed to mask personell onboard Naval Vessels makeing it difficult for the enemy to see the Sailor's or Marines onboard Haze Gray & Underway. The Camouflage Pattern can also be used in a Urban or Artic Environment so it isn't useless by any means. The Blue Variant is to hide someone in the water or to be worn at night makeing it difficult for them to be picked out. I purchased both Camouflage Patterns because they actually work. There's a company that makes custom patches for them if you look hard enough you'll find them .
So yeah. If you were metal in the 90s - you just had to have had these pants. I had 2 pairs. Still have one and a Jacket. It's the coolest camo ever - and when I say that I mean more as a fashion. I don't know how well it holds in real life military aplications. That's a whole another story :D
You could check out Hyperstealth's CUEPAT patterns. They're being trialed by the Canadian military but have yet to be officially adopted. We'll be touching on them in the next video.
@@UniformHistory ,I was very helpful, did not know, I wonder where I could buy, since I live in Spain. Some Web page. I insist, thank you for your time THANK YOU SO MUCH.
