The scene when Una is explaining to Pike that the badge is a communicator and Pike responding with: "But flipping it open is the best part." Old Skool Trekies everywhere: THANK YOU!
I like how the Enterprise crew were gushing about the NX-01 in this episode Enterprise itself might not have been great but it’s a nice nod that the characters are legends in-universe and deserved better
Never shy away from your own lore. Regardless of Enterprise's quality it's still part of the story. Star Trek Beyond was improved by tying its villain's backstory into the MACOs. It's a lesson I wish Star Wars had learned before they released the sequels.
@@Azure_FireEnterprise, still being one of my least favorite Star Trek series, still had its moments. Just as time often brings nostalgia to even what was poor quality of the time, having the 1701 crew gushing over the nx01 seems realistic, and they didn't need to fix to cannon, as some aspects will be lost to legons.
Boimler is drawn to be average human height, but Jack Quaid and Tawny Newsom are tall AF. It's a little tongue in cheek to imagine that Ransom or Shaxs on the Cerritos are like 9 feet tall.
Better nutrition in the future? Maybe different grow caps for different gravity wells? Even Mayweather from Enterprise said his dad kept the ships at about 90% G.
@@vservo1149 It's in line with Quaid's sense of humor. They might have reshot it for the final version, but I have no doubt that's actually how they came up with it.
What really sells it to me is the heart. That there feels like genuine respect both in universe, and from a meta perspective of the actors drinking in being as close to The Original Series as possible, and all the cultural weight of that. That especially seemed apparent in a clip I saw of Uhura and Mariner.
My absolute two favourite things from a character point in this episode. First is that Tawney Newsome and Jack Quaid knocked it out of the park. Second.... I love that Una gets to know that she literally becomes the poster girl for Starfleet by the 2280s. A hundred years on and she HASN'T been forgotten, despite wars and everything else, meaning that she's remembered. Also Ransom having the hots for Una was hilarious. Just a solid fun episode
"Also Ransom having the hots for Una was hilarious". It's also an extra joke because the voice actor for Ransom (Jerry O'Connell) is married to Una (Rebecca Romijn) in real life.
My only complaint about the two of them is that Quaid looks older than his character is supposed to be. But that's incredibly minor and I absolutely loved everything about this episode.
I do find it bizarre to wonder what Nausicaans where like before if they where making time portals long ago. The fact that the writing just states "this is a time portal" is both funny and seemly in line with modern Nausicaans and their 'unique' culture.
@@dm121984 I think the implication is supposed to be that the ancient Nausicaans found the portal and wrote "this is a time portal" on it to warn other Nausicaans.
I'll give _Enterprise_ praise, turning the Orions into a pirate nation was a smart choice. Trek had vikings (Klingons), fascists (Cardassians), chess masters (Romulans), and evil capitalists (Ferengi) as threats; but not a thieves guild until ENT and that helps flesh out the universe more.
And most of the bare bits we got on the orions from tos was stuff like slave trading and trying to stir up wars so they could steal more freely from contested areas and sell to both sides, so it's still lore compatible.
The Orions had been known as pirates in at least beta canon for _at least_ a decade before _TNG._ (I could have sworn "Journey to Babel" actually established that, but it's not hard to believe I'm misremembering because of not-quite-canon material.)
It is pretty funny how tall Jack Quaid and Tawny Newsome are in real life, so the crew of the Cerritos must be giants. If they do another crossover and make other characters live action, I hope they make a joke about how they feel like they should be taller.
Whoa whoa whoa we’re just skipping to the crossover then eh? Not complaining just very surprised is all. I remember when this was initially announced and shocked at how unexpected yet brilliant the idea was, and the end result definitely did not disappoint. It’s the modern day equivalent of DS9’s Trials and Tribbleations, and evokes such a brand synergy not seen since that era. Newsome/Quaid bring their animated characters to life fantastically, and I especially love how the crossover benefits both shows and isn’t just a one-sided affair.
Not just an excellent episode, but if managed to make to make the rather dull trial episode into something that I looked back on a lot more fondly. It's so hard to pick a favourite moment. The one where Pike panics at the idea of Tendi and Rutherford coming through though has to be up there.
I was floored by how much I really enjoyed this episode. I like both shows quite a lot. I was happy that the cast and crew gave it all they had and then some. Frakes did an excellent job directing. It leaned into both series' themes quite well and married them in a great way. Overall to me this is a top 3 episode for SNW. The scene where Boimler jumps onto the saddle and says 'Riker!' was ad-libbed because he saw Frakes off-screen. I like how they kept that in. I also liked how the scene with Boimler and Spock trying to create that unobtanium was handled in a "realistic" way- too often in Trek there's these wild plans that seem to go off without a hitch. I was happy to see that this time it didn't. I'm pretty sure that his and Chapel's discussion in the turbolift led directly into her song in 'subspace rhapsody'. Just well done overall.
The entire video portion of that review is going to be four still images with an [INTERNAL SCREAMING] caption. He'd have to fight off more bots than Shepard vs the geth.
So, when there was Tritritricale grain on the enterprise, time travelers showed up. Quadtriticale grain? More time travelers. I’d like to think the old time cops are slightly on edge about the events of More Tribbles More Trouble, wondering if the correlation somehow connects to causation.
I loved how this episode worked so well with the Enterprise drew being a little creepied out by how much the Lower Deckers are obsessed with them, and it also works as a meta comments on the parasocial relationship between the audience and the authors - even positive admiration can be damaging to the target of the admiration if allowed to go too far. Whilst I don't generally find Lower Decks that funny, I do like how this episode works and the Lower Decks voice actors really work very well in live action. Stand out funny moment for me was Spock and Boimler trying to make the stuff and Spock calmly walking away whilst offhandedly stating 'no this isn't good and you need to seek safety'
I was really unsure about this episode at first, but it actually ended up being my favorite SNW episode. It probably helps that im also a diehard Lower Decks fan
I avoided SNW for a long time until I decided to take a chance (after having seen clips) I ended up getting both seasons on Blu-ray. I was pleasantly surprised at how much respect they have for the show, how much like 'Trek' it is. There is a line in one episode that goes along the lines of "The Federation is not perfect, we do many things wrong but we are trying to be better.! Yes, I also have Lower Decks and yes, I have never watched the first two episodes.
This episode was so much fun and makes me want to watch LD. I was laughing and the animated opening credits threw me off in a really nice way. Someone one loved this episode and enjoyed making it. Trials and Tribulation is one of my favorite episodes for a lot of the same reasons and I think this episode stands very well right beside it.
This was a fantastic episode. Such a perfect crossover. And while we didn't get them in live action, I am glad we got a couple scenes with Rutherford and Tendi too. And Ransom, voiced by the real life husband of Una's actress. I love that end scene with the SNW gang animated. M'Benga's line is just chefs kiss
It took me a while to "get" what they were doing with Spock. I didn't like at first, but I've grown to...accept it would probably be right word. I don't love the idea, but it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the show. Not anymore anyway. If they have an episode in future, like near the series finale, where Spock chooses to accept the Vulcan path fully then I'll be more accepting of these moments. It's a shame we don't get to see Sam or Tendi in live-action, since their VAs look enough like them, but it does showcase an advantage of animation. It's much easier to do cameos, something LD constantly takes advantage of. Even if they couldn't fit Sam and Tendi into the main plot, or hadn't the budget for making them live-action, they still get to be in the episode.
Interestingly, that was done to follow up on something from the very first Trek pilot, with Spock smiling in delight at chiming Talosian plants. Nimoy said later that Spock had been experimenting with showing his human side back then.
@@Azure_FireAlso, the episode "Subspace Rhapsody" tells us exactly why Spock reverted to more-Vulcan-than-Vulcans mode. He gets a song about it (it's a musical episode, which is a lot better than it sounds).
@@DeaconBlues117 That is another blunder on my part. For whatever reason I missed that episode when it came out and I keep putting off watching it. I swear I'll get to it one day.
I put off watching LD until after I had caught up on SNW. This episode made the wait one of anticipation. It's a _vastly_ better sell for LD than LD's first episode. And this episode is packed to the brim with fantastic dialog and great use of body language. It's a 10/10.
It was a really fun episode! Watched it twice, once coming in from just Lower Decks and once coming in from Strange New Worlds and boy do those two viewings hit differently when you have the context of why is everyone acting strange in SNW. Originally I missed Pike knowing about his future, why Spock was acking up, the time travelling gal speaking from experine, etc. Seeing Boimler and Mariner being so tall in comparison to everyone else was really funny and unintentionally hitting on the "people from the past are shorter" trope. Really amusing how that worked out! What personally bothered me a little bit was all the gushing for the big name characters. It would be nice if some more of that was spread around some smaller people in the background as well maybe - not everyone that will ever be important is a big named character right now, some would just be ensigns and what not. But since we're viewing it through the lens of fans of the show and characters fanboying over the characters we know, we don't get that... Still, a really fun crossover!
What I really like in this episode is the subtle reference to fact that NX have notorious track record for time travel. And that not only include Enterprise, but also disappearance of Columbia and related incident involving canceled Ceres class (UNSS Bonaventure?). And technically also Franklin, as Freedom class was failed NX candidate, what fall apart during tests. Anyway, those ships have unique hack, what in case of malfunction could throw ship in warp 10 (it could be also material used by Tom Paris and during failed Grand Experiment done by Excelsior). Anyway Archer learn to cause anomaly deliberately and he also deliberately caned Archer Drives later. With Vulcans granting Earth they Warp 7 to prevent future incidents. And speaking of that Spock also did know how to time travel, so that episode sort of establish how.
I'd object that one would need the first two episodes of Lower Decks for narrative background. I'd just give a warning to not be discouraged if one doesn't like them.
This was not a crossover I was expecting if I'm honest. But it is kind of nice to see that in some ways Lower Decks is being treated like a true Star Trek show and not just a adult toon.
Yeah no, it's actually funny how tall Jack Quaid is when compared to some of his fellow actors in The Boys. Like how it's the genetically augmented evil knockoff Superman who needs to stand on something and still be noticeably shorter. Which only got funnier when Jack Quaid started voicing an actual version of Superman, and a very good one at that.
It took me a few episodes to warm to Lower Decks but I fell in love with it. After being burned out by two seasons of Discover I gave up on live-action. I may yet dabble into New Worlds but so far have only seen clips. Although I get why some people would dislike this crossover,... so far I love the clips of the live-action Cerritos crew. It's fun and quirky but they seem to have chemistry.
I also got exhausted by Picard's melancholy. Some of it looked pretty good but I heard about the trans episode and musical episode. They had disabled representation with a legally blind actor and when that box was ticked they got rid of him. It's maybe a cynical way to look at things. I might check it out when i have more time. @@travis7294
When Mariner and Boimler return to the Cerritos, Ransom notices Boimler's Una poster and calls her "The hottest first officer in the fleet." This is a reference to how Jerry O'Connell, who voices Ransom, is married IRL to Rebecca Romijn who plays Una.
"This isn't a _Who Framed Roger Rabbit_ scenario." Okay, but _could_ it be? I just really wanna see the version of this episode where Boimes and Mariner are fully animated and have nobody comment on it at all.
Quaid and Newsome both really impressed with this episode. I was already impressed with Quaid after all of his other stuff, especially The Boys. But he MOVES like Boimler in this. Like... Holy Shit. Newsome too, to a lesser extent. She really did embodied Mariner.
While I DID like that the show gave props to ST: ENT and the NX-01 crew... that part about traditionally having a component of the last ship to bare the name seemed a little "pulled-out-of-the-ass" to me... but it's probably fine.
I thought it was a brilliant addition to the canon, personally. And it was foreshadowed right at the start of the episode with Rutherford mentioning that the NX-01 was made of the stuff.
kind of a shame that we didn't even get a small scene of Tendi and Rutherford in live action (I guess they didn't have the money to spend on the prosthetics and makeup)
I hate to say this since it IS going to come across a specific way, but the fact that THIS comes out a few years after the person some of us said was trying to destroy Trek by making it awful was taken out of a leadership role(Alex), and that role was given to groups of others shows that it was true. This episode couldn't have been made without a love for the franchise, the characters, and the world that the Trek of only a few years before was missing, especially when you remember THAT regimes name for Strange New Worlds was Enterprise for several months before someone brought up that that was ALREADY a Star Trek series that they didn't know existed. That said, beyond that, I agree with Chuck. This episode is the best of both its shows, allowing for character growth(in their own ways for LD's characters) while advancing forward with ideas the way Trek likes to do, for instance how this is a predestination paradox, but one that gets muddled by just how it works. Overall, a great outing.
@@KnightRaymund From what I understand, and to be fair this is leaks and hearsay, but it seems to fit, about midway through the production of Picard Season 1 and Discovery Season 3, his role in the production was marginalized due to the sorry reception of that stuff, plus the whole Netflix lawsuit that accused, though never proved, he was using the production to pad his pockets. This is about the time projects outside the mainline series started to do as good or better than said series in terms of sales and eyeballs, and since then saw Picard turn into...well if you haven't seen it yet it goes out on a high note, all I'm saying there. Sadly that did come at the cost of a lot of political thriller style hints in season 1 being rendered moot. I've heard Discovery got way better too...I refuse to check it out for personal reasons, but Prodigy, Lower Decks, and Strange New Worlds are all of a high enough quality to say something changed in comparison to the earlier two projects.
Regardless of whatever the truth is, whatever Paramount has done, it's working. If Kurtzman was removed, keep him removed. If he's still in the chair, keep him in the chair.
I do really wish that Tendi had been sent to the future instead of Mariner. Yes, partly it's because I really don't like Mariner. But mostly because having an Orion onboard the 1701 could have kickstarted a cultural shift among TOS-era Starfleet. The story was about Orions, and it was weird that the only Orion Starfleet character didn't get to participate.
I take it you haven’t seen Jack Quaid in the hunger games (now that I can totally understand) or the Boys? He plays Richard Feynman in Oppenheimer and was in a few terrible movies like the latest scream movie. He’s like 6ft 5” lol. He does play an excellent Boimler in this and in Lower Decks (voice).
I'm surprised the premiere of Lower Decks is poorly rated. I thought it was very funny but the show isn't really for me since it's basically a Star Trek sitcom.
Let's be honest, if he covered everything worth a mention this episode we'd be here all day. And YT would purge him from existence for the sin of daring have one second too much material from the show.
Oh the owners aren’t extinct they’re Naussicans. Just from an ancient time but the portal could in theory be from any time and may exist in all times, I’ll show myself out 😂
Like a subspace anomaly changing the characters designs or just the episode we got with Boimler and Mariner being animated and no one acknowledges that anything is different.
7:07 You need mods to run it? Yeah, they could mod Mariner, like removing her muscles so she can't touch anything. It seems a bit heartless, but I don't care.
Yeah, those first two episodes are shit. I still haven't bothered to watch the show sense then. Though i do find it funny, they took Seth McFarland's idea after telling him no.
The rest of the show is pretty much "TNG-era Star Trek, but with more humor". Definitely recommend checking it out, I also didn't like the first few episodes, but by the end of season 1 it became one of my favorite shows.
No offense to Ortegas actress but her character really shouldn't be remembered as a TOS legacy because she and Khan were created for this show. It's not like we had names for every crew we see in Star Trek history. Nameless background characters are just meant to be there to fill I'm space not to be remembered but here we have 2 characters created solely for SNW and future guy is acting like they were always there and important. Not every one is important in history just because they lived it
This is one of my least favorite episodes of Trek. I am not a fan of Lower Decks. i dont think its particularly clever and relies almost exclusively on nostalgia for people to point at the screen and scream "Thats the thing from that other thing!" Thankfully the live action versions of the cartoons were not as irritating so theres my silver lining.
That's understandable. Unfortunately, "relies almost exclusively on nostalgia" is the entire basis for Discovery, SNW, and especially Picard. Lower Decks is oddly enough the only one that isn't a direct prequel or sequel to anything, and doesn't involve any major established characters, ships, or settings in its premise. The humor is often referential (more at the start), but the show itself manages to be the most original in this regard. Weird.
@@JosephDavies save for Picard I’d say the examples you cited are live action shows that actually try to tell new stories with dramatic performances that expand and build upon the franchise. You don’t have to have watched TOS to enjoy SNW. Lower Decks is banking heavily on the audience having watched the other shows for jokes to land.
There's a lot to like in this episode, but Picard and Discovery have forever ruined Star Trek time travel stories for me. Why save the timeline when you know how awful the next thousand years are going to be was like a constant nail being driven in in the back of my head while watching. As someone who hadn't watched Strange New Worlds before, I found this to be a poor introduction to the series. Spock smiling was indeed creepy, and I didn't really get a good feel for who the other characters were aside from every one of them having some kind of drama going on. I wonder how Lower Decks came across to people who hadn't watched that before. I did like the majority of the jokes though.
Well if you wanted an introduction to SNW, starting with the back half of season 2 probably isn't a great idea. Also is the 1000 years a reference to Disco season 3? The "bad future" of that show only takes place after 1000 years, not during. The 1000 years prior were business as usual for the Federation.
