Comparison between the Nightforce NX8 1-8, Vortex Razor HD Gen III 1-10, and the Trijicon VCOG 1-6 #LPVOs #tacticalgear #guns #ar15 Music by JBlanked: freemusicarchi...
Commenting literally 2 mins into the video. I'm one of these people. I'm your typical Gucci gun guy, that's ran S&B, NF and Razors the past decade. I'm really, really leaning towards the 2.5-10x lpvo with a piggybacked rds, VS the trendy 1-8x-10x the last year though. It's not something I expected, its evidently just a preference I've developed over time. I think we've pinnacled as far as technology goes, and alot of the benefits we enjoy for the lpvo start to compromise beyond 6x magnification. Objectively and surprisingly the new PLX is probably about as good as its going to get. I wish manufacturers would start investing in these 2-10x optics, giving us more quality options in the mag range. I think we'll start to see alot of guys sacrifice magnification at high end, for the usability at low end, or just step up to a designated marksman optic like I have. I feel as if these reccee's are going to make a comeback in a big way, and most guys are going to stop attempting to create this platform that does it all. There's cycles in the industry, and we're just about to witness a paradigm shift, like we do every 5 to 10 years. Watch, the dmr, spr, reccee, whichever acronym you desire is about to make a comeback in a big way, and others will religate to the 12'-12.5 with an rds.
The lesson to be learned is... no matter what technology is presented, there will always be someone that will have preference on something completely different.
Informative and very helpful - I too have a Vortex Razor 3 1-10x and it's too much scope for me IMO. Definitely agree with you that 1-6x is the sweet spot for LPVOs.
Props on actually improvising an eyebox measurement setup. Could use work, but I like the concept. Kind of amazes me how I've been going off of word of mouth for months in my optic selection to end up picking the trijicon TR24.
Great video man. Every LPVO review I watch makes me feel better about my decision to go with the NF NXS 2.5-10x42 / RMR combo. Your video is comparable to the 9 Hole Reviews style where you show the eye relief and eye box footage. Really nice job.
That’s what I’m considering going with. I kind of wish it was first focal plane, but it’s such an awesome optic that I can live with it being second focal plane. And besides, it has adjustable parallax, which is awesome.
Ya dialing turrets are stupid on lpvos. No one on earth dials an lpvo and the large internal turret assemblies add like 6 oz. They could make them equally durable and like 13 oz if they made they with flush to the tube non dialing turrets. I personally prefer 1.5-6×42 or 1.5-8×42 because the larger objective gives such a bigger exit pupil than any lpvo. The nxs 2.5-10×42 probably should do the same
I really liked the eye box demonstration showing both the view through the scope and the side-by-side top-down view of the camera moving with measured marks for reference. That was the clearest showing of eye box performance I've seen in any video, a super clever and effective idea while still being simple, and was really helpful. You earned a subscriber. Keep up the great work!
You have a great way to test optics and show the results to us. I like being able to judge the eyebox size of these just from watching a video. Great job.
Vcog 1-8 is also impressively forgiving in terms of eyebox and eye relief. i prefer it over the Razor 1-6 and Credo 1-6. weight and relatively crappy illumination are issues though 😅
Really nice look through views and overview. Very helpful, thanks! A simple reticle + 1-6 is a sweet spot for most people. Shameless channel plug, I posted a video last week about an Athlon Cronus 1-6 (really good glass as well), but the way you had the camera tracking the eye box/eye relief was genius. Subscribed.
Well done comparison! You shared the frustration of getting behind a 1-10 very well. However, proper cheek weld will reward the shooter with hits. Of course, the hit will be followed by scope shadow, but that's the price you pay for the magnification, compact size, first focal plane...
Thanks for the video. The LPVO is the best compromise for a general purpose rifle (IMHO), offering the quickest magnification adjustments across its range. Although I prefer the 1x6, as this has the most generous eye relief/box at least from my testing. The one thing I rarely hear LPVO users discuss is how "good or bad" vision can also impact your decision on optic choice. Meaning someone with poor vision may opt for the higher magnification LPVO (for long range PID), or more precise shooting, I know a few folks in this category. Whatever the case, just ensure you get excellent glass.
Very helpful info - thanks From my experience, it would be nice to be able to lockout the top 20% of magnicication from variable optics because the eyebox becomes so finicky
I really liked the style of review. You clearly stated and showed the differences without favoring or showing preferential treatment to either. Well done. I will say the one thing that could have been done different, is when showing the greater zooms, 6x-8x, it would have been nice to have the same focal point. zoom in to the same trees or rocks. overall though, great video. thank you.
Good comments. I think you will find I have improved my craft in some of my later videos, in part by testing scope clarity with side-by-side footage of two scopes looking at the same object.
sometimes i think they should just use the elcan design: 2 separate dedicated lense for 1 and whatever higher magnifications. the flip would be even faster, and the scope would do better on both ends, which most people actually use.
That and get rid of the damn diopters. Shit pisses me off. Massive pain in the ass to adjust and an ingress point for dust and water. If the optic is blurry then wear your glasses God damn
@@ozarkman291 always funny to see comments from people that don’t understand their equipment. The diopter isn’t just about your prescription. It also drives image clarity on the extremes of the magnification range. One of the biggest issues with LPVOs is the have short tubes with small lenses compared to “real scopes” so image is blurry at 1x or 8x unless you adjust the diopter. Better glass helps this effect a little but you’re working against physics
I also found that an Accupoint 1-6 tho lacking in bullet drop lines(can dial) and max power, is very pleasant to use. It's simple, clear, forgiving, and has unlimited daylight bright reticle illumination. But I still think the Razor 1-10 is one of the best optics for the SCAR 17.
I think most people will be well served with a 1-6. I bought the 1-10 Vortex too. But sold it. And bought two Trijicon Credo HX 1-6's with the .223/5.56 red dot. I have a Vortex Razor 1-6 and Viper gen2. I used to put the emphasis on the 1x from being a Aimpoint desciple. But I bought a PA Glx 1-6. And it's reticle at 6x just smokes the above LPVO's. Even though the glass is good. It's not as good as the sfp's. But it's by no means bad. I was a skeptic. But as a combat reticle it works. The 1X is slower. But it's still easy to pick up without illumination. I want to try the compact 1-8.
Yea man I got some legit SF friends and from their experience 1-6 and 1-8 are a lot better in combat situations than 1-10. Many of them preferred SFP because of the better eye box and relief.
I been more interested in 1-4s for optimizing an LPVO's 1x eyebox capability since shooting out to >300 yards isn't something I anticipate doing regularly outside of a range. As such, I like the accupoint TR24, but I have a hard time figuring out if the credo hx 1-4 is literally the same glass performance, and if the reticles are daylight bright when illuminated.
@@mghegotagun The Steiner 1-4 is legit too. I like 1-6 for the PID ability. 1-4's are kinda lacking. The military tested tested positive id requirements and 6x was the min. Most binoculars in the military are 7x. Food for thought.
@@ClassicWafflez If I'm going 10x. I want parallax adjustment. A larger objective...etc. Because if I want 10x. Then I'm going to be prioritizing the 10x. I like the Glx 1-6 mostly because of the reticle. And I like a 1-6 as the happy medium. Yes the sfp's have advantages. But most are prioritizing the 1x over the higher magnification. And reticle choices are kinda lacking. I went from A2's to A4's. M40a1's to M14dmr's to SAM-R's to MK12's. Unertl 10x's to Leupold 1.5-8's and of course ACOGS. And a few inbetween's. With LVPO's or anything there's no free lunches. And I try to use whatever it is I'm using to the best of my and it's ability. I'm only nitpicky about women after that...I'm kinda flexible.
How does the Credo Hx compare to a razor gen 2 e. Is the razor good enough to justify the increase in cost, weight, and lack of built in throw lever? Seriously thinking of going with a credo
Hmm, is it the volume or the music itself or the fact that I've used the same song a few times? I'd like tonhave some variety but I do feel some music is needed.
@@compulsivegunbuyer I think the volume is the bigger challenge. It seems like the music is carrying your monologue instead of the other way around. So, in effect, the music plays too big a role. It should be just about insignificant rather than prominent 👊🏻You seem to have a lot of potential and are well thought out though so keep playing with the formula to see what works best
The closest optic I've ever seen get to a true 1x is an Athlon Talos 1-4x24 sfp mil scope. And they're very inexpensive at $170. I probably have five of them at the moment.
For fun. Lvpo. Fighting gun. Bomb proof red dot/ co-witness back up irons. Don't care how far I can see in a shtf situation I won't want to do sitrep at more than 200 yards. And if so. Better have a large caliber round on a sniper rifle.
Probably between 2-3 coats, maybe 4 in some places; but the biggest factor is that I did a base coat. I find the paint wears through much fasted when you don't do the base coat, which is fine if you want black to be a major part of your camouflage pattern, but I didn't. Still, it's a pretty new paint job, and it'll look better with use.
I do and I will actually have a video coming soon comparing a budget primary arms lpvo to a higher end lpvo. That video slated as 2nd or 3rd in line to be released but it's coming.
I don't have any personal experience on the atacr, so I'm not your best resource, but some things to consider: 1) I have heard nothing but good things about the atacr 2) the atacr costs about 1000+ more 3) the atacr weighs 21.0 oz vs the nx8's 17.6 oz Weight and cost were big factors when I purchased the nx8. 9-hole reviews has a great nx8 review, by the way.
Elcan specter over all of them.. sold my Atacr 1-8 2 days after trying for first time a 1-4dr specter. SO MUCH better in everything.. lpvos are in general a compromise.. not that fast like a real 1x, not that “long” to see well over 6x (the eyebox of the Atacr over 6x is HORRIBLE and it’s even worse on the vortex). Jm2c btw. Will never buy another lpvo… ever..
I want to run an lpvo but i find them cumbersome for a fighting rifle. That cheek weld is fatiguing when you're actually engaging a target. I switched back to a RDS and 1x prism
@@compulsivegunbuyer The old K16i and the Gen2 K18i would be nice to see. Those two are supposed to have the best 1x among LPVOs while still being strong through the rest of the magnification range
The eyebox issues are why I love my zeiss 1.5-6×42 for hunting and rapid target acquisition. The larger objective helps a lot. Still lighter than these lvpos because it doesn't have dialing turrets and tbh dialing turrets are absolutely stupid on anything but a dedicated target rifle. No one ever dials an lpvo and the huge internal turret assemblies add all the weight
Hmmm. I'm looking at a zeiss 2-12x50 (with turret, currently have an old zeiss 3-12 without which I like a lot but isn't ideal)... How do you think a vudu 1-10 lpvo would compare? I have an over/under combo rifle/shotgun, so I shoot shotgun within 40 yards on roe deer/birds/rabbits and bullet up to say 220 yards max for stags...
@@mysterioanonymous3206 I think the zeiss 2-12×50 would suit your needs better than a 1-10 that fails to do either high or low end well. Interestingly the new leicas like the fortis 1.8-12×42 has a much bigger exit pupil and eyebox than the zeiss v8 1.8-14×50 despite the zeiss having a bigger objective. Not all the common optic rules apply all the time. If I was you I'd be interested in the leica or meotas over zeiss because they are obviously much more rugged. All 3 have optics better than the eye can see.
