Based on the ridiculous amount of puffery in that sales pitch, that guy clearly thinks his would-be customers are stupid ... so that says to me they're as likely to be feds themselves as they are to be actual entrepreneurs.
@@chrism4008Well… if you think about it, that’s a fantastic strategy. Do you really see any state agency invested in a polymer kit like this when they have subs, carbines, rifles… but the minutes you say, “It’s for Law Enforcement- now available to the public!” shit flies out the door… like every AR and EOtech and piece of kit that had “For Military and Law Enforcement Only!” 😆
I have a hard time believing any agency or the secret service uses this when they have full auto pdws, smgs, and can use stocks on pistols and use sbrs.
I bet if one agent or agency bought one for the slightest shits and giggles or cursory testing purposes, they're bragging or would brag about it. (The ATF may have bought one just to figure a way to make it illegal.) There is no reason for LEO agencies to field these for actual work.
They don't use them. Idiots like this guy will give a free part to someone who is active mil/leo, just to say it's "in use." It's of no use to anyone in law enforcement, or the military. Isn't this the same company that used to make shitty bore sights, and knock off lasers?
Years ago, I saw something like that used for cameras and spotting scopes. I wouldn't be surprised if some agencies had bought them.... another way to burn taxpayers dollars. I highly doubt that Air Marshall's, or S.S. would use it for handguns. Maybe some are using it with camera and spotting scopes. Photographers use similar tools in past.
Common marketing tactic when you're trying to sell something overpriced. You say some ridiculous number first so when you say the price it seems like it's less compared to that crazy price. $129 is very expensive but after saying $2000 it doesn't seem as abdsurd
@@randyjackson5159 kind of a kick in the nuts to the taxpayer to know that's what they are charging the federal agencies for these things. If it's true.
I saw a non-attached buttstock in Small Arms Review maybe back in 2004 or so. It was simple, yet very effective and completely legal because as soon as you let go of the grip, the stock would fall off.
"The ATF has no jurisdiction." What makes you think that is going to stop them? They just put two guys in prison for what boils down to metal business cards and one of the guys was only advertising them. I hope you are prepared, because if this thing gets a bit of attention, they will certainly try to do the same to you. (Not saying you shouldn't be doing this. Just that you should be ready for a nasty legal battle with the possibility of jail time if they think your product take off.)
Years ago, I had a little “shoulder stock” of plastic and threaded rod to adjust length, even a little curved cheek piece, but the front end was a leather wrist piece. So it wasn’t really a stock because it didn’t touch the gun in my hand, only braced my wrist.
"ATF has no jurisdiction" 🤣 Incoming: New ATF regulation banning anything that _can be held up to a handgun_ to "readily convert" it to a SBR. Get yours NOW. Pay cash. DO NOT order it online.
Shit, you can just make one with some sheet aluminum, a pair of pliers and a vice... 10/10, though. Would 3d print and zip tie to a handgun. Because FTATF
That's certainly a new take: how can it be considered a gun part if it cannot be attached to any gun. I want one just to support a company trying to cuck the ATF, although I think their claims of putting these things in the hands of numerous government agents in the very next breath seem suspicious and odd.
There may be a practical advantage here for concealed carry due to the quick attack and detach, faster than any stock. There are some quick attaching handgun stocks, but they usually involve sliding small parts together, which is slower than this. If it works as promised, I can see it's application for Secret Service in quickly deploying for supported shots.
This is good for using their standard issue handguns, but if I were unconstrained by budget I might go with a B&T USW or TP9, the stocks on which would deploy even faster because they stay attached. But those guns with folding stocks attached are significantly larger and so much harder to conceal. Same with other PDWs like the H&K MP7 and classic stocked Mini-Uzi. With this new thing, you holster your handgun without modifications, and you've got this in a pocket to quickly use when needed for more accurate shooting. So it's easy to incorporate without modifications to weapons, holsters, and gear. I doubt this is the new norm, but we haven't seen it working yet. It's worth a shot. I could see it actually having some efficacy in an executive protection role, and am not surprised the Secret Service might test it. Sometimes agents are only armed with handguns, but they still need to be able to make precise shots among crowds. I wouldn't exactly say I'm optimistic, but I'm interested in seeing how it's received when people start buying it. Just because it's new and unusual doesn't mean it's useless, and I'm happy to see attempts at innovation. I hope that it's actually useful and if so will become successful.
@@ja0298it's the same energy as all the companies claiming their products are used by special forces, when in reality one dude who's email was sealteam69 ordered one of them.
The company boss really, really, REALLY didn't want to state the price for this piece of plastic. That "$129" will certainly come down, if this idea catches on with other developers (corporate or individual).
I’m going to assume they sent a whole bunch of these things free to Federal and State police agencies for ‘test and evaluation’ for the company to make the claims they did. How many officers are going to want and pack around yet another item on their load bearing vest?
I have no doubt what actually happened was he sent them some for free and they didn't spit in his face, so now they're "in use" by XYZ agency. "We protect governors and presidents". Give me a break. James practically had to twist his arm twice to bring him back to reality.
They gave me two of them at the con, i'm still not sold on it, but its an interesting concept. Would i pay 120 bones for one? Nah, probably not. After putting some time behind it at range day I can see its applications, granted extremely limited.
I think the ATF would argue that the fact it is not permanently attached is irrelevant. It is ment to be used as a stock. It is advertised as a stock. It functions as a stock. When used with a pistol, it effectvely makes the pistol a SBR _while it is being used_ .
I see your point and I agree that the ATF would probably press charges but I doubt they are going door to door for people who considered buying one like certian other accessories.
@@Merril_39 two other uses I can think of right in the moment are cameras with long lenses and spotting scopes or long range magnifiers of some sort. Honestly while I'm typing this I think I've seen something similar used with cameras.
Nifty. But pay cash and buy it in person ... preferably while wearing an N95. Or just print your own. (I'm sorry but $130 for a simple piece of plastic is a bit steep)
Not at all steep. Molds are expensive to make. It's a good price for a good product, keep in mind they also need to make some profit. If they sold them for the $5 worth of injection molded polymer they wouldn't be making money. Holy shit you people are fucking cheap.
I'd be nervous buying any kind of sketchy item even if it's in cash. I was at a gun show a couple weeks ago and there was a guy selling "solvent traps". I thought they were suppressors until I flipped one over and it had no hole. My first thought was to look at him because I thought to myself "this guy is definitely a cop". He definitely had the look. I just told him not interested and walked away.
There was a guy who made one of these years ago out of wood, I believe he was living in a remote part of Alaska. He sent a note to the ATF and they determined at the time that his "brace" was not a stock. Just a piece of wood that he rested the pistol on. I think he was on Glocktalk or one of those forums. Interesting to see it as a legit product now!
I've been wondering when someone would do this for the Shockwave with that pistol grip. It's great, but it's still a single piece of injection molded plastic for $125.
I believe these guys used to be called One-Shot USA and they've been around for almost a decade now. Several years ago while passing through Reno I met the guys from one shot USA and tried that out and it was good and worked well. I think the most interesting version that one shot USA had was one that held an Apple iPad. It was actually seriously cool.
@@yupyup4209 it was for law enforcement they could write traffic tickets or access their computer system and theoretically you can put some sort of ballistic backing on it too.
I bought one. Fits every pistol I've tried it with, even a Heritage .22 revolver. Cool device. Wish it was adjustable for length though, a couple extra inches longer would be nice.
True, it doesn't actually attach to the gun. Even so, I'd advise anyone to keep it out of the vicinity of any velcro strips, duct tape, etc and make sure it's never found with any sticky residue or staple holes, etc on it.
I actually really want to see all of the stuff they declare illegal, in order to attack this one particular product. Because it's going to be really, really hard to define this without making half of the stuff in one's house a felony to possess.
There was an episode of The Rifleman where Chuck Connors used a board in a similar fashion on a pistol to shoot a "bad guy" at a distance. I've done similar when plinking and wanting to make a longer shot with a pistol. I wish I'd thought of bringing something like this to market, but I wouldn't be greedy enough to ask for $129 for a piece of plastic!!
I remember like 20 years ago when the kids were making "bump sticks" which was pretty much this, except allowed you to bumpfire a pistol with relative ease, even if early versions of the contraption made you worry if things were going to break the 180. It's a neat product, but given the regulatory climate, I'm not buying it for $100+, and I'm not buying it online.
The “ok” after he said it protects presidents 🤣🤣 I can’t possibly fathom them using this mayyybe but idk like I see the use-which at least makes a litttle sense but why not use a pistol chassis? Or just don’t bother with this and just use the pistol? Idk seems more like a gimmick.
Very interesting concept for quickly stabilizing a handgun. Faster than attaching a stock, and the design is quite concealable. I look forward to the reviews.
Nah this is the dumbest thing ever. Granted I love companies peeing in the ATFs cheerios, but this is dumb and silly compared to a flux raider or a proper glock chassis.
If there's one thing I love it's novel legal arguments. Edit: you know what it does have the advantage of being less intrusive than all other options on the market when not in use.
There was something like this years ago for the Ruger MK pistols. Same philosophy, fits against the back of the grip, held in place when you grip gun, made of some kind of thick wire. ATF said it made the gun an SBR & that was the end of them.
Seriously... I was thinking $50. There's no way that costs more than a few bucks to make. At $50 you'll sell 10x more and recoup the cost of the tooling in no time.
@@jart83it probably would've been taken easier if he wasn't so dodgy about it. Just say 129 but it was 99 if you pre-ordered a month ago. That would've tempered things I think..
I got mine last month. This is my second one. My other is the second interation. I'm very happy my first one. I've shot several different guns using the older version. I'll have to do an unboxing and range video.
The germans have exactly the same thing for glocks. You can get them in the USA through various retailers. 100% considered an NFA item even though the handgun just slips into a groove, not sure how this is different.
No groove I think. There’s no “attachment” at all, you’re holding them together within your hand. I think that’s the distinction that’s being made here
I feel like they would probably make more money if they lowered the price a bit so that was in the "impulse" buy range. Maybe their fixed costs for getting the production setup were very high or something but I can't imagine the per unit cost is much.
Make as much as possible before the ATF rule that bans it for common people. To be clear, or ATF to be clear has already determined that once you use a pistol as a rifle it is now a short barreled rifle. While a pistol can be made into a rifle, a rifle cannot be made into a legal pistol.
@@MrZgui415i had that in mind too. Kinda weird they didn't even do a promo code but between the last guy speaking and the website itself I think it's all a bit too sketch to make an online purchase at this time..
well, I'm pretty sure the wordage does say attached to the gun. so, if you just so happen to hold two things in your hand it should be fine. but then the ATF also like to say "intent matters" so who really knows.
Sorry but I"m skeptical that any government agency uses this device, really makes no sense that the government wouldn't just use actual stocks on their pistols. Fab defense has been making glock stocks for ages now and other companies are making chassis systems with real stocks for the p320. It's not like the government has to pay a nfa tax stamp for an sbr.
This is just a copy of the Bubits brace which has been on the market for quite some time now. I have shot a Glock with the Bubits brace and it does make it easier to stay on target, but using it outside of a range setting would require some training to ensure that you get used to handling and moving the gun with the added length of the brace at the back.
For my job, I sit all day. I've been looking for a cool gadget to extend the height the armrest on my chair. Just put a little padding on the top and it makes it to where I don't have to lean over as far to lean on my forearm. Love it. I ordered one just an hour ago. I'll let you know how long it takes to get it shipped.
Once upon a time there was this glove (which didnt attach to the gun obviously) that when you pressed a button turned an electric motor that would push the trigger very fast. As you could imagine, ATF called it a machine gun... good luck to oneshot and hope it turns out for them
The ATF will try to ban this, of course. Then they will go after Lowe's and Home Depot because you can make something just like this about 20 different ways from off-the-shelf everyday items.
Uhhhhhh.......well $129 is gonna be a deal breaker for me but I applaud the ingenuity on this. But meanwhile back at the ATF they are going to figure out a way that this is not legal and they don't seem to have gone through the ATF for a letter. This is gonna be fun.
Why would federal agencies use this thing if they can carry whatever NFA item they want? I don't see the advantage to a non attached pistol brace over a PDW . As a former LEO I don't see the advantage over carrying an MP7 or even an UZI if you're old school secret service. Educate me.
Because they don't...? If you can buy SMGs and PDWs, this doesn't make sense. I doubt any agency actually uses this. The company MIGHT have sent them a sample for testing, and now claims it is "used by ___."
I got the prior model. It performs. It’s quick, stabile, once your grip is established and it is shouldered, and accurate. Going from handgun to carbine is so unbelievably quick. Fits easily in a back pack or messenger bag or brief case and is very lightweight.
Unfortunately, it is only a matter of time before the legislative wing of the Executive Branch at ATF makes a rule about this. Doesn't matter what the law says. ATF is the law. The USC is only a suggestion for the Administrative state.
A nice big middle finger to the ATF. It doesn't attach to the gun, and it looks like there's no way to permanently attack it short of superglue lol. Course the ATF did try to argue a shoe string was a machine gun, so.....
I remember those cokeheads trying to sell a similar product a year or two ago for like $200-$300 Cant say I'm surprised they swindled a few grand out of the Cops and Feds for that thing with a camera glued to it.
This idea has been around since the 80s. It’s nothing new Jonathan signer did this with the Ruger mark two and his internally suppressed pistol. My father has owned one since the 80s.
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