Pascal Siakam trade rumors are heating up, as it looks like the Toronto Raptors are seriously looking into trade him - with the Atlanta Hawks being the main team interested. #siakam #pascalsiakam #siakamtrade
Siakam doesn't want to leave and his camp is hurting is value by saying he'd not extend with the team he's traded too. He will get extended and then traded by 2024 at the earliest
He's not signing the extension. If Siakam makes an All-NBA team this season, he's eligible for a supermax. If he gets traded, he loses the ability to get that contract. He would probably be pissed if he makes it and is traded...
@brandoni241 siakam wants to be in Toronto. it's pretty clear he wants to earn an all nba spot and sign the supermax with the raptors which makes perfect sense. highly doubt the raptors plan to trade him. they've gotta see more from scottie before they force him to try and carry a team. asking him to bump his ppg by 10 is a lot when siakam who's already doing it is right there in front of you. scottie is young. utilize the prime of the better player now.
@austinneveau9387 Well said Austin. Another thing I would add is why get rid of a possible Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady situation. Everyone wonders what would of or could have happened if T-Mac didn't leave.
@@brandoni241If anyone gives him that 300m deal they are royally stupid. He is a 30m a year player if you want to win a title with your team. He might not even be a second option on a title team, he might just be a third option on a title team
They have nothing nice to say about Toronto,all of a sudden Pascal should go to Atlanta , you sportscasters are really something else ..we don’t want any of your players period .
FVV is one of the worst contracts in the NBA. He is a inefficient scorer and terrible defender. The Rockets are going to be a bottom team with paying him 43m and his next contract is going to be smaller because he's just not good
@@blablablaa14 I expect them to be at least a play in team. If they up being a top 6-7 team in the west I wouldn’t be surprised that’s what I mean. Theirs potential is higher than ppl are thinking that’s my pov. I guess we’ll find out tho
@@JustfranktbhBased off the fact no one on that team is an efficient scorer I expect them to be the least efficient team in the NBA. They needed Lopez so badly to make that team logically work and they didn't get him. They have zero rim protection, FVV is a small PG that is inefficient, Jalen Green is an inefficient SG, Brooks is a horrifically inefficient SF. That is not a good NBA team they will finish 13th in the West next year. Its a terribly built team and I can't see how they become anything better than last year
siakam isnt being traded. got nothing but unsubstantiated reports. the raptors tried to re-sign vanvleet. the idea that they just let dudes walk for nothing in return isnt true. precious was acquired through a sign and trade with lowry when lowry didnt have to agree to a sign and trade. the rockets massively overpaid for vanvleet but dont get it twisted the raps tried to bring him back. you're out of your mind to think they arent gonna try to retain their best player. it would be stupid for an organization that is trying to win to rely on the hope that scottie barnes becomes what siakam currently already is. growing and building chemistry only gets harder when you trade core pieces just to trade them. youre asking scottie barnes to bump his PPG by double digits when you suggest to trade your star player for very bad packages. let me see barnes average 20 for a season before im packing a multiple all nba player. pascal is eligible for the supermax if he makes another all nba team. the team is giving him that opportunity. it also makes no sense to suddenly rebuild when they locked down an older center in jakob poeltl for 4 years. they got a veteran point guard in schroder. do those moves scream at you "we are hitting the reset button" ? koloko is on the team. if this rebuild or youth movement towards scottie barnes was happening dont you think they'd put another young center to develop with him? use your brain for a minute.
jakob and pascal are best friends. they haven't even played together for half a season. this trade isn't happening. the raptors are just pump faking these teams.
hes gone, and raptors aren't trying to win but develop, their roster is too poor to win, You have it in reverse scottie NEEDS to becomes better than siakam in year 3 than they have a solid core, if scottie still needs years of development than its either trade him for a superstar or trade siakam for young pieces.
Wtf you talking about man the Raptors are cooked in the East. Siakam needs to get traded let Scottie Barnes get maximum reps while getting value for Siakam to support that. He’s on an expiring deal
@@tough3600either way his point stands losing Fred sucks but he’s right we’re kind of standing pat rn and seeing what the market allowed us you don’t realize how much Siakam and OG could increase their value if we keep them until the deadline think about if the Hawks are in around the same spot we are at the deadline they have a lot more expectations coming out of a rebuild the way they did than we do cause our fans expect us to go into a rebuild the longer we wait into the season the more desperate teams will become and we even look a little bit competitive it’s a huge benefit cause realistically we are still a play in team in the East and other teams want our assets they’ll be willing to give up way more the longer we wait tbh
It's weird. So many people outside are thinking Toronto wanted to keep Fred VanVleet. We wanted to get something for him, but it's addition by subtraction. He made the team worse with his reluctant distribution.
Its doesn't make sense that Siakam would say he wouldn't extend with a team that trade for him, thats simply not business sense! If your current team consider you expandable then you should adapt accordingly, thats business sense. I hope the Hawks stay as Constructed, there is a mid-season trade deadline...but my gut tells me Siakam lands in Atlanta too.
I heard that the reason why he would say this, is that the only way he can get a Supermax contact next year is to play this year with Toronto. If he's traded now, he's not eligible for that type of contract. I could be wrong, but that's what I heard.
I would love for the team to pick up pascal and even tho I would really like the team to keep AJ if we have to lose him I’d be willing to risk the trade the same way I was with dejounte
It’s literally the craziest thing that people who didn’t watch Fred all year think he had any value. Guy was brutal for 2 years (minus a 5 week stretch before last years all stars)
I see the yearly media rumor swing of Toronto giving away players that teams want is in full swing. Happens every year. The only reason Siakam hasn't resigned is because he thinks he's going to earn an All-Nba spot and wants to be eligible for the Super-Max. This is common knowledge.
I wonder why people keep saying "we lost Fred for nothing". NO, were actually glad he left. "They" keep saying raps are in wierd in-between situation with Pascal on the roster, cant even win a playoff series with him but they add him to any other team and all the sudden they a top 4 team 🤦🏽♂️. Pascal stays. End of story.
BS, they are getting vets for the young guys to develop. They would have to give up assets for Siakim and their goal is still to improve rather than compete.
Facts then atleast they wouldn’t have vet arguably ‘mid’ guards that won’t lead u anywhere themselves taking up minutes from your developing young guards that could hopefully lead you somewhere eventually
@@maximusorbis2548 They got enough assets to risk that pus they have two of the better young players in Green And Sengun plus the pick they got this year. Vanvleet, Green, choose between Jabari Whitmore and Siakam for 3 and 4 and Sengun at 5! This is much better than what they have now!
@@mjwaldrep the deal shams leaked with capella filler doesnt even work because raptors are hard capped and cant go into luxury tax in a trade. would have to be like capella hunter griffin and bufkin and 2 picks for siakam thad young and malachi flynn.
This is not a very good piece and seems to be just a reiteration of some tweets without much knowledge of the situation in Toronto. Not surprising as he ignores Toronto most of the time. I expected better though.
@sports logically the best chance hawks had for siakam trade was dejounte murray. after the extended him and was off the table, with the lackluster picks hawks had they would have had to offer okongwu, griffin and bufkin with the 2 picks and filler for the raptors to do a deal with hawks for siakam. hawks dont realize if siakam is moved raptors are rebuilding so they think throwing in deandre hunter and capella will get the deal done with griffin only. raptors have better wings than hunter and a better center than capella so its why the raptors are not trading siakam for that. basically 40 million coming off the bench because hunter and capella wont start for raptors. hunter would be like 5th on wing depth chart on raptors so he would be way down the list.
Siakam also doesn't want to leave because he wants to be supermax eligible. That's why he told teams to not trade for him because he can only get that supermax in Toronto. Also Masai has a bias towards his African players. Plus his flaw of only accepting clearly one sided trades.
@Tony-4747Masai did very well up until the championship. Mind you, he turned Grevis Vasquez (who played for one season for the Bucks) into Norman Powell and OG Anunoby. Masai has, however, more or less fallen into a very deep hole since the Championship. Only time will tell if he can right the ship.
@Tony-4747most overrated gm ever fr anybody could’ve won with the lineup he was gifted he had the deepest team in the league then got a guy who could rise to being the best player in the league, awful gm besides that
@@JamesKP17847you cant say hes overrated if hes one of the only gms to win a chip recently. the kawhi trade was so ballsy and had so much downside that it might be the best trade in nba history. he also did well to get guys like gasol around kawhi at the time. recently hes been trash and there is no shooting on the roster but he is far from overrated.
@sports logically the salaries have to match for a trade to go through so hawks likely offered hunter capella and aj griffin and kings 2024 pick and hawks 2030 pick for siakam. but because the raptors are hard capped this trade wont be approved by nba because the raptors are over luxury tax. for a deal to work has to be more players like this. raptors get hunter capella aj griffin, bufkin kings 2024 pick and hawks 2030 pick hawks get siakam thad young and malachi flynn salaries match and raptors not over luxury tax so this would be approved by nba.
nah blazers are not interested in the heat offer and dont want tyler herro. unless they can turn tyler herro into a 1st round pick and a good young player i dont see blazers trading dame. right now herro gets you filler and a 1st round pick in the teen to 20 range
I don't like I get the Pascal is older than Scotty but I don't see how your timelines don't match up. When Scotty is going into his prime ask Al's going to be 32? You still have like four or five years to make things work right there. Are you trying to tell me that if Toronto makes a run at the title when Scotty burns is say 26 or 27, they're going to have zero vets? Doesn't make sense.
@@dn8443 that’s why I said all we can give I wouldn’t give up Luka Kyrie hardy green or Williams for him and just about everyone else just signed to the team so doubt they gon trade them that quick especially the bigs
@@nitoshadow yeah there's no way if I'm the mavs I'm giving up Lively, Omp, Green or Hardy for Siakam. All they need is Capela or Jarrett Allen to be better contenders than they already are now. For 1 of those 2 guys I'd think giving up Prospects are worth it otherwise no.
If toronto wants to try and contend this year sure but they must tank in 24-25. They'd easily be a top 3 worst team without OG amd siakam and adding potentially cooper Flagg with scottie would be super fun
As a Spurs fan, not sure how I feel about this trade. Spurs have the Raptors 2024 top-6 protected pick and Atlanta’s 2025, 2027 picks, 2026 swap. Makes Atlanta better, and Toronto worse (but could make the Raptors become one of the 5 worst in the league if they commit to a rebuild). if Siakam doesn’t re-sign with Atlanta though, and they give up Hunter and Griffin (and Bufkin?), Spurs might be getting a lottery pick three years in a row. I mean, the Hawks picked 15th this year, and without Siakam or Collins, they aren’t better. Hmmmm.
He would be great in Atlanta but it’s not worth it to trade 2 great young players for potential 1 year rental and even then if Atlanta doesent give him the max then he’s gone and then they are giving him 60 million a year for a big who’s almost 30
lol you acting like he is 34 and on the decline, he will be 30 in april of 2023 and is in his prime. you add in defence and he would be the best player on the hawks being a 2 way player who is two time all star and all nba. siakam extends with raptors the hawks wont have assets to trade for siakam when he is worth his full value with term control on his contract lol. two young players bufkin didnt even play 1 game in the nba and didnt look good in summer league, griffin wasnt even in the rookie of the year talks cuz he wasnt good enough to get regular playing time off the bench. your young guys are just potential and not even top rookie potential.
I have been the biggest advocate of trading Siakam for a few seasons but I wouldn't take the package that Atlanta is offering. I'd rather have an extra first rounder than AJ Griffin. Siakam is a great player but he doesn't fit the Raptors timeline. Scottie needs a young co-star
Should've traded him last season. Toronto has kinda messed this up because now Siakam might go and OG is definitely opting out and not signing an extension. Losing two prominent players for nothing is a disaster...
Just like Kawhi, Greene, Ibaka, Gasol, FVV. They all walk away for nothing, yet the fools keep going in Masai we trust. They sure trusted him when Baynes and Len became the Centers after losing Ibaka and Gasol, didn't they.
@@toddstevens13Kawhi was a loaner, zero chance he was staying in Siberia. Nothing new though, Toronto (even Vancouver) might as well be on the moon, it's impossible to get free agents to come to Canada.
I'm really tired of hearing what the Hawks will give up for a 1 year rental. Siakam isn't going to move the needle much in 1 season with the subtraction of AJ.
Raptors could have traded fvv and OG/Siakam away for lots of young players + picks, and tanked for top picks at the last trading deadline mid season. Instead what did we do? Traded away our 2024 first round for Poeltl and NOT making the playoff + FVV left for nothing and 3 up coming free agent that we might lose the same way. So in conclusion, we give away first round picks and lost FVV for not even a bag of chips, and later on gonna lose at least 1 out of 3 starting players for NOT making the playoff. What a JOKE.
These rumours doesnt make sense..Because Hunter Griffin or Bufkin and compensation Doesnt work cap wise... They have to add Murray Bogdon or Capela to the deal for it to work... Sooooo...🤔🤔🤔 They are reporting on a incomplete deal!😂😂😂
lol that shams leaked trade with capella filler he left out isnt even legit. the raptors are hard capped and cant go into luxury tax so nba would not approve capella hunter griffin and 2 picks for siakam. has to include more players.
That’s actually almost what happens with Jakob poeltl and the spurs. He got traded to the raptors and was having discussions with the spurs about signing with them this off-season but elected to stay in Toronto
Sorry, this is total click-bait with that title. There is NO PS TRADE in the works, its all speculation - And they ain't trading him for Atlanta's garbage.
If this trade happens, Immanuel Quickley + picks sign and trade for OG Anunoby could soon follow. IQ is due for an extension @ 19-20M per year and can be The Raptor's starting pg now FVV is gone, and the Knicks need an elite 3&D guy and front court depth.
mavericks will have to offer more than hardaway jr and two 2nd round picks to get capella or he wont be traded to mavericks. they likely have to throw in a 1st round pick or add olivier prosper.
I could see the possibility of a team like Utah, Portland, or OKC trying for a trade. Especially with the draft compensation they could give Toronto. (At least when it comes to Utah and OKC). With Portland, I could see this being a chance to move off of Damian Lillard or a chance to keep Lillard by trading away a couple of picks, Scoot Henderson, Jusuf Nurkic + Jeremi Grant (And then signing someone like Wood to replace Nurkic, though not sure if Grant is able to be traded yet, also not sure if the money works...I haven't done a trade machine on this). Because Dame + Siakam would be a hell of a duo and would quickly change his mind about leaving. Or Portland can continue the rebuild and trade Dame away. Where Miami just isn't putting an offer the Blazers want and nobody is sure if Dame would play for them or sit out or even retire and walk away from Basketball. Though I know the league has said he can't demand one team and tell people he won't play for anyone else. Because if I am Portland and wanting to rebuild, I start talking to every team and seeing if they are wanting to be a part of the deal with Miami or if they want to do a straight up trade for Dame. Because I don't see a straight deal for Dame working and giving Portland what they want. Someone from Miami is going to have to go to another team, with a contract and a pick or two going to Portland. That is the only way I think that trade gets done. All I know is that right now, teams with a chance for a title have to be at least interested in either of those players. Even with the risk of losing Siakam. Even if it makes Dame unhappy. It is just a matter of how to make it work. I know. Rambling. But, I had to get all of my thoughts out on this.
I don’t know why Atlanta fan keeps talking about Siakam trade for deandre hunter who Atlanta wants to get rid of because they overpaid him and aj griffin who supposedly a nice young player with potential (that’s laughable). Let’s be realistic hawk nation you want an all nba second team and third team and not to mention raptors best player for your garbage players. Not a chance. Do better!!! If the raptors are going to trade Siakam don’t you think we can get Dame for Siakam, Boucher, Thad young and a future draft picks. That is a lot better than Miami can offer. You hawk nation can stop dreaming cuz the trade you want won’t happen.
Let me speak as a Toronto Raptor fan. Siakam is going absolutely nowhere. They have a team on the floor and on the bench (much stronger this year) that could run away from the east. Don't believe me well that's OK. The proof will be in the pudding.
Yes Hawks fans. We rent Pascal to you yall for 1 season and a bunch of assets, then he won't sign the extension with yall and he'll be back with us again. How about that?
capella hunter griffin and 2 picks for siakam thad young and flynn is dirt cheap for siakam. he cant get more from another team so if atlanta does well he will most likely stay as atlanta is said to be a fun place for nba players.
@@giovanni-ed7zq Siakam himself said that he won't extend to the teams who trades for him. Doesnt matter whether its a contender or a rebuilding team. He wants to retire a Raptor.
Why is this old rumor stuff coming back? Siakam is not going anywhere. I swear some of theses sports presenters need to take the same time off as the league and start making content when training camp starts up and we know who's officially on the roaster
@@tough3600 og already said he will resign with raptors in free agency if he is given a bigger role on offence. that just means og gets 17-18 shots a game for raptors now rather than the 13 he was taking last year. means og will be a 20ppg plus elite wing.
@@tough3600 they will get more for siakam on a 3 year term in 2 seasons than the garbage atlanta was offering. even an atlanta content creator was saying atlanta was offering hunter and capella who the hawks were trying to get rid of and one young player griffin for siakam and the hawks picks are trash cuz spurs own them and they got no picks to trade other than the kings 2024 pick in the 20-30 range and a 2030 pick too far down the line.
I think its hilarious the Hawks are gonna pay the rest of their assets to get a PF they have to pay 50m a year later and they still don't crack the top 4 teams in the East
its the reality of anyone trading for him, and with rising luxury tax after new cable tv deal, siakams 48 million dollars a year contract wont be alot. you got houston paying 43 million a year for vanvleet, 48 for siakam is a bargain with rising salaries. dames gonna be making 63 million a year when he washed at 38
@@giovanni-ed7zqYou're justifying a terrible deal for Siakim that Atlanta can't pay (their current wages are already over the tax and they don't usually pay the tax) because there are other terrible deals there. Siakam going to Atlanta changes nothing for them. Their team isn't better than Toronto with Siakam
@@blablablaa14 just telling ya the hawks are the ones wanting siakam. raptors are hard capped so the fillers are capella and hunter and with griffin the salaries dont work so telling ya its gotta include more players as the raptors are hard capped and nba wont approve a trade that puts the raptors into the luxury tax. the hawks have been trying to dump hunter and capella also so its not like they not getting rid of filler they dont want. but to make the deal work raptors have to give thad young and flynn and the hawks have to make the feature aj griffin and bufkin for the deal to work with salary keeping raptors under the luxury tax being hard capped to be approved by nba.
@@blablablaa14 i think siakam makes the hawks better team personally. adding a 24-8 6 two time all star and all nba wont make them worse but better. siakam is also durable, only player to get at least 24-8-6 last 2 years playing at least 70 games.
@@giovanni-ed7zqIt doesn't change the fact they can't defend well or attack efficiently. There's only so far you can go with Trae as your top player when he is an inefficient scorer and one of the worst defenders in the league. And the problem is that they will trade so many other players to keep salary down even if they get Siakam. They can't pay him the 50m he wants and keep Trae and Dejunte. That's just the reality of cap space
Ujiri really not managing these contracts well. Afraid of the full rebuild, letting these guys like Siakam OG and FVV enter the final year of their deal and ruining their trade value. Trade OG to the Knicks for Quickley and start the rebuild 😂
@@horbgorbeson “not gonna get much” who tf said we wanted to trade him in the first place?? He’ll get extended, Where do u think these Siakam rumours are coming? & quickley ain’t as good as OG cut it
@@horbgorbeson he’s statement multiple times he loved it here plus he’d get the more money with us. I don’t why he’d want to be with the Knicks either lol
Is Toronto okay giving pascal a new 4 years/ $240 million extension ? Because that’s what he want . $60 million a year. If not, Masai need to trade his azs
Run this team back. The 2 biggest problems are gone. I can talk on many points why Nick the cancer Nurse should have been fired, even the year after he won his grossly undeserved coach of the year. The signs were there. Marc Gasol starting all 7 games against Boston in the bubble despite him not being able to make a shot if his life depended on it. Nurse overplayed his favourites. Van Vleet is a good player, but the Raptors real talent is up front, and they need a pass first point guard to get the forwards the ball in good scoring positions. Van Vleet was a shoot first guard who had a bad year shooting the ball. This team will do very well with a traditional point guard and a good coach.
can you people stop with these pascal and atlanta hawks trade rumours, it’s really misleading and annoying, the raps are not interested in anyone from the hawks
See the reason why this doesn’t make sense at all is because Siakam and Raptors are already in discussions if not close to a deal on extensions for him. Why would they not trade him after his extension when he has more value that way. You used to be a good RU-vidr until you started making these click bait and nonsensical videos. It’s honestly sad to see your content go in this direction but it’s your life so good for you I guess.
As a hawks fan I don’t want siakam, he’s a good player but he’s a terrible fit on the hawks especially if you keep Capela. He’s literally going to get shoved in the Collins spot up shooter roll for a year and leave, he’s not going to get the ball like he did in Toronto. The hawks need a 3nD 4 like Finny-Smith they don’t need to give up the few assets they have left to get a guy who’s going to leave in a year
I think adding siakam , will be better than keeping are current roster which is basically the same team from last year … that got bounced in the first round
The answer is to trade murray for siakam. Raptors need a pg, hawks get an upgrade their 2nd option. I know hawks fans would prefer to add a 3rd star, but like you said, he also needs the ball to be effective ( like murray and young) and so the fit wouldnt be great, but he would be an upgrade over murray as a second star. Theoretically it could improve both teams.
@@jonhoge153 the hawks can’t trade Murray for 6 months because he signed an extension, even still I would rather have Murray, especially on that deal he signed
@@Beniii71 is it six months? I thought the extension moratorium ended right before the season starts. December sounds familiar too though. Either way, i think siakam is perfect next to a trae young but i can see why you wouldnt want to part with murray too.
hunter i consider filler lol. he may seem like a good defender on hawks but on raptors he is behind og barnes precious jalen mcdaniels and likely even otto porter jr. hunter is injury prone as well and has never played a 68 game season and he is 25 only.
hunters value is known also, they tried to trade hunter to pacers and all they were offering was two second round picks and filler. you cant even get a 1st round pick for hunter in a trade.
an atlanta content creator said hawks were offering their garbage in hunter and capella and one young player that wasnt good enough to get regular playing time for siakam. he said that was an insult to raptors for siakam. hawks picks are trash as well its the kings 2024 pick and a 2030 pick way down the line.
@@giovanni-ed7zq still not worth it. Teams need depth and with that trade, the hawks gut the team! I'd trade hunter elsewhere, keep griffin, move Capella for some role playes or 2nds and keep onqukbo ( i know I misspelled his name).
@@MrYodi2007 you were offered that for capella, hardaway jr and two 2nd round picks from dallas. that is his value. as for hunter he was offered filler and two 2nd round picks from pacers. thats all you are getting for them, its why they are just filler in a siakam trade. and griffin is not enough to get a deal done as raptors are hard capped and cant go into luxury tax. has to be more players involved.
At Last year trade deadline, the clippers offered Mann, morris, Kennard, two 2nd for Fred vanfleet. But Masai countered with Mann, two 1st , and zubac . The Deal fell off . Probably the same will happen with pascal , Masai will want the moon 🌙 again
Atlanta should offer: Dejounte Murray, DeAndre Hunter, and 2 protected firsts for Siakam. - Murray & Young aren’t a good enough fit to keep trying it. Raptors need a Playmaking PG and he’s better long term value for them. - Hunter has been extremely underwhelming and injury prone to boot. They have adequate replacement wings ready. If he plays better, good wing for Toronto that stays in line with their makeup. - if Siakam bounces, Hawks free up a crazy amount of money for 2024 off season. Hawks: 1. Young 2. Griffin 3. Bey 4. Siakam 5. Capela 6. Mills 7. Okongwu 8. Johnson Raptors: 1. Murray 2. OG 3. Hunter 4. Scottie 5. Poetl 6. Trent 7. Schroder 8. Precious
I could imagine him being a perfect fit in Houston in a year or 2. Trae, J Green, Eason/Whitmore, Jabari & Sengun as Starting 5 in let's say 2025 is a championship contender.
siakam will get paid like a franchise player when he will never even come close to being a first option on a serious contender. why would anyone trade for him?
