A Perfectly Sane Deep Dive On Dutch Van der Linde's Mental Health 

Not just people I love that she is the type of person that’s all up this. The fandom is more diverse than I thought, love to see it.

Same!

I just wish people were as passionate about RDR1

@@tdoran616 But aren't they? Dutch is in RDR1 and there's much more to see of him in RDR2. I understand what you mean but i think alot of the people who are into RDR2 as much as pinky is are into RDR1 equally as much

@@tdoran616I believe they are. I remember many having the same fervor for rdr1 back in the day, but it was confined to places like forums and such since video essays weren’t really a thing on yt at the time. Rdr2 is great in that it’s brought a younger and fresh audience to the franchise

Rockstar and their amazing writing ❤❤

It's a general problem in fiction that mental health is stigmatized to the point of villainy because then you apparently don't have to write a well rounded character

Drink ice cold water please

Why do people try to justify mental illnesses? Mental ilness doenst save you from consequences

He’s a villain because of his crimes, not the other way around.

thank u i think i rly have a future in voice work

*me, seeing this comment before finishing the video*: “wow, that’s so cool, I can’t wait to hear it” Me at 22:53 : “that wasn’t what I thought it would be… IT WAS EVEN BETTER!!!”

For realll ❤❤❤

I love to see you do Arthur one pleaseeee 💕💕

"You know ol' cowpoke, probably went off to go sketch a tulip of somethin'" 😂😂😂😂

but don't we all wish we were cowboys who shoot stuff 😕

Same (to both OP and the cowboy comment 💛), it feels weird seeing people make, like, motivation bro content using chapter 4 & 5 cutscenes. They've played the game, but where's the internalizing?

Okay but Arthur IS cool and he DOES shoot gun fast

@@jackmattingly6780 haha pow pow deadeye shotgun

Most people know this already. It was literally mainly praises for its characters and story aside from the insanely detailed world. Get a grip

oo, worth noting thank u

I’d like to add that the speech that Dutch gives at the start of the game (snow level) about how you all have to keep moving forward and how he loved davey and everyone needs to stick with him etc it turns out you can actually find a note with that entire speech written down, in the moment Dutches speeches feel from the heart and coming from pure passion alone but turns out he writes them down & rehearses them before hand, Dutch is literally the cunning fox from Pinocchio in human form.

@@bruhdon4748 ...rehearsing a speech does not make someone a liar.

@@bruhdon4748 woahhh where can you find that? in camp?

@@Ana-tj5fmyes, in camp during chapter 2.

literally this. when that happened to me I literally stood there for a solid minute thinking about everything I did up to that point that would justify Dutch's behaviour towards Arthur, and then just cussed him out and left 😭

@@m00n_y Fr. It’s Ch.2 so there’s literally nothing Arthur did/could’ve done by that point 😭 I was like damn well that adds another layer to things

I got this in ch2 before but I got it today in ch3

It's legit chapter 2 there. The game ain't even begun yet xD

Nobody ever talks about how Dutch immediately apologizes for saying this, sounding supremely confused why he said it in the first place. The tone isn't sinister, its worrisome, like Dutch isn't in control of what he's saying or doing. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gz1jq4sdv1Q.html

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Amazing video! I have a friend who I recommended this to because we have obsessive conversations on RDR2 characters that sounds like your vid. Dutch is among my favorite characters in any work of fiction and you gave his character a lens that he deserves.

Realy good job You just get one more sub

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Great video! I'm so happy I came across it.

Not to mention, I believe Milton would see it as beneficial to have one of them alive in custody. They may not know John but I'm sure they could have deduced he was somewhat important in terms of the chain of command. Keeping him alive lures back people like Arthur, and I imagine they'd hope Dutch (little do they know, he does NOT care) would come back for him too and then they can arrest them all that way, rather than chase them all over the country surrounding oceans.

I agree. When I'm at my most symptomatic, I'll often stare off into space, either dissociating, having really vivid day dreams, or spiraling about a specific topic. Or a combination of the three.

There is this scene in Chapter 4 where it's explicitly called out ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OzU0LVEdPnk.html I am mostly sure you only get this after the trolley incident but either way, Dutch staring off into space with no idea where he is or what's going on is a common problem based on what Dutch says in the follow up dialogue. ("I'm fine. Why does everybody keep asking me that?") His extreme defensiveness is also common for people with failing mental health so far as I know.

I don’t think that’s anything intentional. If you follow people around the camp they just sit around doing nothing most of the time. And the game puts emphasis on this “mediation / patience” with the lot of encounters that let you skip time for hours with Arthur just sitting waiting.

classic signs of psychosis: becoming dripless

Y'all got me fucking dying 😂😂😂

Thought that was BPD

@@anthonyfernandez82 it is! its super common in bpd, and only occasional in bipolar (usually only in high stress periods), but this also could be a misattribution between bpd and bipolar by people who diagnose, because they're very hard to distinguish and often get misdiagnosed

​​@@tomnosocks Wait is BPD and Bipolar not the same thing? I always thought they were...

@@nirjhar4803 so bpd stands for borderline personality disorder, and is characterized by significant, frequent mood swings, impulsivity and often self destructive behaviours. bipolar disorder is in the same ballpark, but the mood swings are usually much less frequent, and much longer lasting. they can overlap on a lot of issues, and you can have both of them, which makes diagnosis really difficult.

It's also important to know that bpolar disorder doesn't HAVE an acronym! So if you hear someone say "BPD", they are either misinformed or mean Borderline Personality Disorder--

This fucking game bro, there's just so much to cover, so many little moments, such sadness 😭

BRAIN INJURY???

GENUINELY! DUTCH IS SO MUCH MORE NUANCED THAN JUST A DAMN TROLLEY!

I gotta convince my girlfriend to play this game at some point

regardless, they wouldn’t have highlighted him not feeling great and suddenly getting worse after the trolley if it didn’t accelerate his actions lol

​@@S0LAVELLANHELLwhat accelerated his actions was Angelo Bronte. Granted a knock on the head didn't help but he shows no other long-term symptoms of a traumatic brain injury

I actually also knew this! That being said I don't think it's super level, standard behaviour to be rambling aloud about chess moves, even in spite of how relevant it may be to him as an individual. A cool reference for sure, though :)

@@pinkygunslingy your opinions on rdr2 are like the Bible

I think it's also got a dual meaning! Aside from the obvious name pun, the actual chess move itself is a rather aggressive, short-sighted play. Basically Black moves their pawn preemptively to prevent White from later controlling the middle of the board HOWEVER, it's also an opening that immediately exposes the Black King to attacks, while White is relatively safe. Basically, Dutch is envisioning a move where he makes a daring grab for power, meanwhile creating a huge weak point for the rest of the game... hm.. now I'm not saying this is telling of Dutch's tactical ability but the common follow up for this relies on the Black King's Knight (Arthur) going infront of the King to protect it :) sorry for the info dump I just really like the amount of symbolism behind Dutch being a chess player aside from the overdone 'oh he just views Arthur as a pawn' bit we should've been able to play chess in game rockstar >:(

Do you think names from birth can effect someone's personality

I like to think that Dutch is trying to find ways to justify his next plan in his head. and I also think this is some form of dissociation he is playing chess in his head i interpret this as the gang members are under his control and he just thinks this is a game we're he can sacrifice a pice just because he can take the fall and come up with a new plan without the bother of that pice. I'm definitely looking way to much in this and is probably just a cool reference to the chess move. (Sorry for the terrible writing)

“You always have a mental health plan Dutch.” “Heh, this is a good one… (checks in with a psychotherapist).” “I don’t doubt it.”

Help I read it with his voice

he did not, in fact, have a mental health plan

John: "BULLSH****TTTT"

"I've finally figured it out Arthur. I know we're we're going. I'm taking us to the ONE place not CORRUPTED by Leviticus Cornwall.... _SPACE!"_ ~Dutch, in the alternate time-line where he's voiced by Tim Curry

Bro, same

Also loving the little anti psychiatrist joke at the begining (we also still institutionalize handicaped ppl and they also get their children taken away more often bc they are watched a lot more !)

Just one last prescription, Arthur

a theory that drives me absolutely bananas

Not familiar with the theory but the underlying logic explained it as mostly baseless lines up, especially in light of Dutch's diagnosis. Wasn't Abigail a prostitute before she joined the gang? I seem to recall from rd1 Bill Williams taunting John about how she'd allegedly been with most every man in the gang at some point. Though that could be faulty memory, and the veracity of that is unknown. Could've just been a baseless taunt to get under John's skin. There's probably something to that though. At least the part about her history before getting involved with the Van Der Linde gang anyway. It would be another way Dutch demonstrated that he was becoming unhinged. Holding her past against her. Because let's not forget that one of the oldest professions in the world is also one of the oldest methods for spying. A man who buys drinks to unwind and the services of a comfort girl for the night might be inclined to loose lips and reveal information that could be very useful for certain people. Especially in times of war or serious conflict. There were pamphlets and other materials around ww1 and 2 that warned about that sort of thing, so it's very easy to suspect that didn't just come out of left field. There was some underlying cultural belief for that bias. Misogyny? Sure. On the end effect of Dutch's behavior, absolutely. But it's also "Dutch being Dutch", just more so as things progress and his condition exacerbates. He preaches on the value of loyalty but sabotages the underpinnings for the gang to stay loyal to him at every other turn, no thanks in part to Micah doing the Grima Wormtongue on him. Likely Micah encouraged Dutch to blame Abigail as a means of hiding his own ulterior motives, and Dutch started listening. Something along the lines of if she was willing to sell herself before, what's stopping her from doing it again now, Dutch? And Dutch eating it up, letting it rattle around in his mind as an excuse and explanation for why things keep going downhill. But even if she was a second rat, she didn't gain much from it, in the end, did she? A few small spells of family life with Jack and John, only for the ghosts of the past to come back to haunt all over again, and John's taken the gun back up and getting himself into danger all over again. Then most of rd1 she's literally held prisoner/hostage by the government she might've originally ratted to, and used as both carrot and stick to compel John to take out what little is left of his old gang and to eliminate Dutch, getting his hands dirty so the government didn't have to. Even then, when that job is finished, what little peace she enjoys gets destroyed all over again, at the very hands of the ones she sold out to. Even if she was the second rat, she well and truly paid for it terribly in the end. One could argue she suffered far worse than Micah. Unlike him, she would have had to live with the consequences of her "ratting" till the very end, and it spilled over not just on her and John, but also onto Jack, blowing up all her and John's hopes and best intentions for Jack to live a better life than them. If she was the 2nd rat, she paid dearly for her 30 pieces of silver.

I mean she did get away scot-free even tho she road with Hosea when he got killed, they also captured John alive instead killing him like Hosea & Lenny, from Dutchs perspective John & Abagails escape seemed too convenient but yeah it must be misogyny because men bad

Prostitution is often used as a means of spying, while yes it’s mostly baseless claim, there is some truth to the idea. But clearly, the only reason this theory is popular is because misogyny, because we should put men in camps. I’m betting you’re a TERF

700 IQ

I prescribe 5mg of goddamn faith twice a day

apart from frequent derailments, I imagine they're one in the same.

You're god damn right!

​@@stalfithrildi5366I'd also recommend a prescription for a bit of time and a little money

What does he say? "A dreamer in an ever-increasing world of dullards" or something like that

I mean, RD as a series is pretty damn emotional

I do think that in his own way he cared for them. Dutch believes the things he says, even if he's acting in ways that don't necessarily align with that, I think. He suffers from a lot of cognitive dissonance from what I see.

I genuinely don’t understand how someone could look at those games and think that telling John and his family’s story isn’t the main focus of the entire duo

@@jackmattingly6780 Most diehard Arthur fans try to prove exactly the opposite every time I mention it 🧍‍♀️ So, yk, there is people.

@@trashmouthcharleyWell, those are more than likely people who did not play the original RDR and were introduced to the series with the sequel/prequel, as I was. Those opinions can be disregarded and there’s no point arguing with people who can’t see the full picture

The Marstons are only the main point because they were main characters in R1 and the sequel had to account for that. As well, I think a lot of people are diehard Arthur fans because he’s a lot more talkative than John. You get more insights into his personality than with John

thank u! i love jenny nicholson's content :)

That’s how narcissists are. They’re so charismatic and smart that the way they carry and present themselves is enough to manipulate someone

@@pavasite4278 true

Thank you! I appreciate this :) I really love camp interactions. I genuinely think one of the best performances in the game is from Benjamin Byron Davis in camp screaming about how they need money or they'll all be dead, it's crazy that you can go the entire game and never see it.

@@pinkygunslingy It's definitely the loudest and angriest we ever hear Dutch in the entire franchise-- but my favorite comes from the undisputed king of the campfire, Hosea Matthews-- that man has nine campfire stories-- the next most are Uncle and Micah with six each. I don't know how to title these camp dialogues, but I will call this one of Hosea's "Dragons in the West." In this video of all 86 stories, it's listed as Hosea #1: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ab_RLwSlitA.html and can be found at 27:03. Close runner-ups "facing, something, together... but I ain't sure exactly what." and "I wish I had acquired my wisdom, at less of a price."

Holy shit that’s really early for a Bipolar diagnosis

You can see Dutch being depressed at several points in camp. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BWN1McR-i28.html He's a complete emotional wreck in all of Chapter 6 after losing Hosea. And his final line in RDR2 is a broken, hollow statement about how he has nothing more to say, before he wanders off, leaving John and the money. His entire look in the epilogue bespeaks how much he's fallen.

At a certain point, he was. “A slow decline, I guess.”

I definitely think it could be both! I just don't have ALL day but ofc, these disorders can overlap and whatnot.

@@pinkygunslingy yeah I definitely don’t disagree with any of the things you pointed out. But as a child of a narcissist, it’s all I could see from the second Dutch was on the screen lol (I played rdr2 first)

small game review type channels been lowkey popping off lately