A plywood square that's accurate, cheap and easy to make. [video 415]

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Hi there! In this video I make a simple, #accurate and #cheap plywood reference square with nothing but a #tracksaw and some geometry. And yes, let's get the "That's not a square, it's a triangle..." jokes out of the way now... 😂 Enjoy!
FYI this video is aimed at new tracksaw users looking to practice their skills in marking precisely and working accurately, whilst also making a useful workshop accessory. Yes, it probably is cheaper just to buy one - that's not the point of the video.
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@hossenfeffer8383 7 месяцев назад

Peter, as a newbie and a seeker, a video like this, with knowledge imparted the way a master would teach his apprentices, is a gift beyond value. Instruction like this is likely how Gothic cathedrals could be built with a work force unschooled in mathematics, but able to absorb first principles of geometry Thank you 🇨🇦

@10MinuteWorkshop 7 месяцев назад

Thank you! Appreciate you taking the time to comment. 👍

@Viken43 4 года назад

Man with thousands of pounds worth of tools and a cnc, makes perfect square using only nails, paper and MDF scrap... Well done Mr M.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Nice to get back to basics sometimes! 👍

@Viken43 4 года назад

Peter Millard exactly, looking forward to purchasing a ten minute workshop square in the near future 😀

@marcos.675 3 года назад

And it works perfectly! I finally have a large square that is accurate!

@thehobbyguy 3 года назад

He does these videos for our benefit

@VaQm11 2 года назад

That... and a 700 euro tracksaw. 😏

@nevadacool 9 месяцев назад

Really appreciate your wit, and cheeky candor, especially, when vast experience cradles your words.

@JohnWilson-de6fd 4 года назад

If you named the Millard version of the Parf system the Milf system you might get a lot more views :o)

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

😂😂😂 I tell you John, my click-bait title zen is way off base right now! 😂😂👍👍

@theduftmeister 4 года назад

Amazing. John Wilson wins the internet today. 😂😂😂

@JeffBarkema 4 года назад

John I was thinking the same thing - a lower investment Parf guide solution. Good wrap up at the end Peter making the distinction about accuracy vs time.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Jeff Barkema Thanks Jeff! 👍👍

@fisherfilmworks 4 года назад

I googled “milf guide” and the results were interesting.

@akbychoice 3 года назад

Love the simplicity of this. Used the 3-4-5 or variation of it over the last 40 years but never thought of making the square. Well done.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 года назад

Thanks! 👍👍

@craiglindberg3727 2 года назад

Superior execution and a fine idea to allow me to try something without buying the parf guide. Thank you.

@pinkplonker8776 2 года назад

I have made a couple of these squares. I used plasterboard jointing tape. It is good and thick and has a folding mark in the centre to help with aligning the nails. Also, the free paper tape measures that hang in a well known Swedish furniture retailer are useful.

@ezza88ster Год назад

Like the way you think man? 👍

@steven_vogt 2 месяца назад

I know this is an old video but it's never too late to say "Thank you!" And also "wow! it really works" :) Not that I never doubted you nor Pythagoras for a moment - just myself. I was driving myself insane trying to calibrate a bunch of T-squares and track squares without a reliable reference when I remembered seeing this video on your channel. I thought I would run a test of the concept using some of the flakiest crappy paper for protecting floors you have ever seen, some rusty pin nails I found in the bottom of my tool box and random scraps of ply as spacers Blow me over with a feather if the result wasn't a perfect, 65cm long, 90 degree reference square as promised :) I checked for square using the "flip over" method and it was truly bang on! I'm going to bloody frame it and hang my "milf square" on the wall, I think LOL You saved my bacon and sanity with this one - cheers!

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 месяца назад

Ha! That’s great hear, thank you! 🙌👍👍

@CP-du3ci 4 года назад

The old craftsmen always managed without the fancy expensive jigs. This method is just one simple method, quick and easy to do anywhere in just a short timescale and without anything other than a hammer and a saw. Peter Parfaits kit is a more sophisticated tool but no less valid for these days when fancy gizmo's fill the dreams of every DIYer. Nice one Peter.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks! 👍👍

@thedieiscast9729 Год назад

Pythagoras ( is this the correct spelling) 3 4 5 the most useful thing I was taught at school. I have been using this formula for over 60 years on carpentry and building projects. Thanks for your video Peter.

@darodes 2 года назад

Brilliant. Just brilliant. I’m only 30 and just recently came into the DIY and woodworking world as a new homeowner a few years ago. My highschool didn’t offer shop class and I was never good with tools…. I remember my classmates would say things like “we will never use this in the real world”…. I can’t say that I never said that myself….. and here I am kicking myself for not paying more attention in school 😅

@GPOP-BOB Год назад

I've watched many of your videos Peter and have learned something I had'n't already known. Excellent work Mr Millard!

@gavjav1 4 года назад

Im often blown away with your little tricks and ideas Peter, Thanks for sharing.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks Gavin! 👍👍

@andymarriott8150 4 года назад

Great video Peter. Something so simple and as you said so versatile in the sizes you can make and adaptations you can add to make it task specific

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks Andy! 👍👍

@ianblack1033 3 года назад

Peter, another great and informative video. Thanks!

@davidsneddon2242 3 года назад

Just what I have been looking for Peter, thank you so much.

@xdebroux8909 4 года назад

The inexpensive yet very efficient Parf guide system! Well done and thanks for sharing!

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks! 👍👍

@whitedoggarage 4 года назад

Excellent video as always, I so love your style Peter. Starting with simple geometry principles, there are so many take aways with what you have done there, well done.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks Bob! Are you up early, or me late, btw??🤷‍♂️👍

@whitedoggarage 4 года назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop Peter it is coming up to 8 am here, so not that early for me, maybe for some others 😃

@thereallysmallworkshop2771 4 года назад

Very clever idea Peter thanks for sharing - another great video.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks! 👍

@nicolassimard5847 3 года назад

Absolutely fantastic. Considering I have a Parf Guide system at home. I now know how I will create my next perfectly square triangle ! Thanks

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 года назад

Thanks! 👍

@jakesale6087 3 года назад

I enjoyed how you seriously simplified the whole thing.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 года назад

Thanks! 👍

@stevewalker7822 4 года назад

Simple and accurate is fantastic. Thanks Peter

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Cheers Steve! 👍👍

@frankslittleworkshop 4 года назад

Nicely done Peter 😁. Fun with triangles and tearout with bleeps, how could it possibly get better 😂🤣. Love this idea, may give it a go just for the hell of it. Thanks for the video 😁👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Cheers Frank! 👍

@warrensmith2902 4 года назад

Loved it. Old school rules! BTW here in the states, many of the big box stores sell 3/4" - 24" x 24" MDF hobby boards. I've found that these are exceptionally accurate. Usually with a quick clean up of the factory edge, you get a perfect square. One that you can use to square up your MFT, or crosscut sleds with. I don't have a feeler gauge, but I use a sales receipt which is made of very thin paper as my check for final alignment accuracy.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks! Yeah, as I say in the description, it’s probably way cheaper just to buy something- but this is a project for new tracksaw users to practice their precise marking, and accurate cutting, and end up with something genuinely useful. 👍👍

@70newlife 3 года назад

Big thanks Peter. Considering that youtube is on the world wide web it's surprising how few of the woodworking channels think buying $200 accessories for one part of the job is valuable for all their viewers to save time. There are forums with thousands of hobby woodworkers in India whose yearly salary is less than the cost of 20 such cheap products like the parf guide or the rail square. Who really is going to be on a workbench building spree? Or the $150 square. Aluminum costs $5-7 a kilo here. Metal mill shops, Cncs etc charge less than $5 per sft for cutting 10 mm thick Aluminium. I like your channel . For god's sake if a wood worker can't build a square cheap and fast he shouldn't be in wood working. I have seen carpenters build accurate squares out of 1/4" ply and some scraps of wood in less than 15 minutes with only 4 hand tools Keep up your good work you won yourself another subscriber.

@ronboe6325 4 года назад

Using dividers (or compass) to walk off the divisions would work also - may even be more accurate.

@tomruth9487 3 года назад

I was thinking the same thing and might try a combination of dividers and nails. Great video btw, thanks much.

@christianjanes 4 года назад

Yet another great resource. Thanks. Congrats on 70K!

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks! And thanks! 😆👍👍

@paulmaryon9088 4 года назад

Brilliant I use the 3,4,5 thingy often, I put cut outs in my 'squares' to take a clamp, usefull when putting drawers,cupboards etc together, great vid thanks Peter,

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Cheers Paul! 👍👍

@FritsvanDoorn 4 года назад

You are one smart bas... eh, guy. I know the 3,4,5 trick but the way you do it is just marvelous. Thank you.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks Frits!👍

@PaulWoodJatobaFilms 4 года назад

Thanks Peter! A simple idea translated into practice!

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Cheers Pail! 👍

@SirShoX0r 4 года назад

I enjoy this sort of approach to problems - subscribed!

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks, and welcome! 👍

@jorgeconcheyro 4 года назад

Absolutely brilliant!! It took me like 10 seconds to understand that moving the line would be the same, but it is fantastic (even though I also know the Parf system). Cheers from Buenos Aires ;)

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thank you! All best from London!

@donnastein4946 2 года назад

Mate, absolute genius! Thanks for sharing

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 года назад

Thank you! 👍

@deanowright359 3 месяца назад

I remember learning this theory back in high school jamaica and asked myself “ why do i need to know this ? This one theory is not taught enough in schools ! Great explanation ! Now if my math teacher taught us tgis way we all would have gotten 100

@marcos.675 4 года назад

That was exactly what I needed!!!!! Thank you for that!!!

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

👍👍

@grumpywiseguy5992 4 года назад

Excellent video!! I use a table drilled with the UKJ guide system and bench dogs to get the 90 degree angle precisely. I have built several squaring guides for glue-ups out of 3/4in MDF that have worked great using my table and my Makita Track Saw. I depend on this system for exactly 90 degree crosscuts on any material that I can fit on the table.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks! 👍👍

@lennytheleopard 4 года назад

Always like your videos Peter

@marklondon9004 Год назад

This feels like a perfect explanation of the old maxim 'a bad craftsman blames his tools'

@adrianaosirish6065 4 года назад

Your a bit of a professor of the small workshop Peter .....always look forward to your videos....great !!!

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks Adrian! 👍

@frankherring6253 Год назад

Now go on the other side of your pins and cut the middle out of it and have a smaller square to go with it. Thanks for the great video!

@agent_1502 4 года назад

After that video you Sir have yourself a new subscriber, very informative and fantastic. Great job. 👏

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks , and welcome! 👍👍

@maxwang2537 2 года назад

Thumbs up absolutely. Thanks, Peter.

@eduardom800 4 года назад

Very nice! Thanks Mr. MIllard.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks! 👍👍

@carllamb6711 2 года назад

Hi Peter Hope your well mate, yes I'm still catching up on your older stuff it like watching a boxset lol great video too 👍👍👍👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 года назад

You get an extra prize for perseverance Carl! 🙌 Thanks! 👍👍

@deanowright359 3 месяца назад

WATCHED THIS VIDEO AGAIN LIKE 4 TIMES AND LEARNED MORE OF WHAT I MISSED IN THE FIRST VIDEO . 3,4,5 TRIANGLE . MOVE OUT TO 4 ,45 TO GET 90 DEGREES WHICH IS WHAT WE USE . PERFECT !

@normanbott 4 года назад

Peter's Paper Parf system : I like it ! I've used 3-4-5 triangles outdoors for any large garden project that needs to be square.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Haha, thanks! Yes, me too! 👍👍

@heriothandyman3148 4 года назад

If ALDI made UJK Parf guide kits! 😂 top work as always Peter. 👏

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

😂😂 Peter’s Pythagorean Guide System! 😆

@matthewwysocki5019 7 месяцев назад

Simple and done!

@kevinohara8671 4 года назад

That's excellent Peter I shall use that a lot in fact I'm halfway through a pyramid at the moment only a small project lol

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Lol! A pyramid! The Egyptians took a few years over theirs! 😂👍

@louiesworkshop2023 Год назад

Thanks Pete, I have been reading a thousand reviews on the best most accurate try squares etc from Woodpecker and many other companies with price tags I would pay but would feel very uncomfortable doing so, your video is simply excellent and will prove helpful, cheers Pete, Louie from Ulster.

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

I know, right - a square so expensive it needs its own wooden case! 😱 I’d be scared to,use it! 😂😂 And thanks! 🙌👍

@happydommo 4 года назад

Another great vid Peter

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks Dominic! 👍

@Bill.L.Carroll 4 года назад

Awesome, handy one to remember. 👌🏾 Cheers mate. 👍🏾 Damn tear out... beeeep! 😏😆

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Cheers Bill! Ha! Should have done a scoring cut! 🤷‍♂️😂👍

@Bill.L.Carroll 4 года назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop Shoulda, coulda, woulda, but didntna... 🤣 Would have helped, that was some munga tear out, though! 😳 Pretty sure I actually heard you through the beep. 🤭

@alexjames1146 3 года назад

I use geometry to check for square in framing and assembly all the time. My go to is the 1:1:√2. 1:1.414. Very useful when 3:4:5 is to bug or to small. I love my school teachers for all the useful information they gave us.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 года назад

👍👍

@zorglublegerc 3 года назад

345 can be any "unit". So you can use half a centimeter as your unit or you can use 3cm as a unit. As Paul used 11cm as a unit. You then just need to multiply all three or just count them on your tape measure. I do that all the time when 30 40 50 just won't fit. 15 20 25, same difference. Of course 1,4142 works as well but I find it a little less convenient to actually use

@Olm9 10 месяцев назад

That's funny.. I figured a few years ago, that it would be handy to be able to use 2 spirit levels or folding rulers at 2 meters each to check an right angle. And calculated that the x in 2:2:x is 2,828 - which turns out to be double your 1,414 (√2) and also √8. Can't figure out why. But there you have it. I use the 2:2:2,828 a lot!!!

@steenfraosterbro3268 4 года назад

A paper Parf guide. Good thinking Peter (both of you)

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Haha, thanks! 👍👍

@jetblackstar 3 года назад

Huh I was thinking exactly that. Just got my parf guide mkii and now feeling a bit overdressed lol

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 года назад

@@jetblackstar Pretty sure the Part Guide will last a bit longer than the paper version! 😂👍

@jetblackstar 3 года назад

Yes, true. But think of all the thick paper I could have bought 😆😋 (I'd probably have to use a forstner bit made of cardboard to match the aesthetic)

@andrewbieger5004 3 года назад

A paper Parf guide for mere pennies. Gotta love it.

@t.e.1189 Год назад

Excellent!

@awantamta 4 года назад

Simple and brilliant

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thank you! 👍

@HyperactiveNeuron 4 года назад

Fantastic tip!

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks! 👍

@axtimhause5797 3 года назад

A very simple and accurate solution. I‘ll try it, when the temperature in my unheated workshop becomes bearable again.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 года назад

👍

@samoanSAIYAN 4 года назад

Awesome. Thanks Pete!

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks! 👍

@stephenjeffreys4219 4 года назад

Elegant!

@cliveclapham6451 4 года назад

Nailed it, with pins. 👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

😂👍👍

@NomadMakes 4 года назад

Brilliant vid :D Getting stuff square for some reason seems to be challenging for me...

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks Goran!

@hansdegroot8549 4 года назад

Last winter I made some simple 90 degree corner clamp brackets (I have to clamp them with F clamps to the panels) out of old kitchen cabinet doors. These are square. 4 brackets out of one cabinet door. So I (can) use them as a template for making 90 degrees angles as well.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

👍👍

@andrewwatkinson1548 3 года назад

We use these for cutting ply on site but full 4’ x 4’ and nowhere near as precise but good enough for rough joinery. A good tip is to cut out the centre to make it lighter and easier to pick up. Thinking on, someone clever like yourself Peter could maybe come up with useful cut outs instead of just removing the bulk? Be a nice 10 minute update to this great video?

@lasos84 3 года назад

Would be great if you made a tutorial with this technique on how to set up a Parfitt system on the cheap!

@ericdillenberger7873 4 года назад

Peter, Absolutely love your system, especially for economy and for making templates and casework assembly jigs. Your pin registration system to eliminate vertical drift is nice. In fairness to others remarks about the Parff guide system, its primary purpose was not to make square corners per se, but to DRILL square and precisely spaced 96mm vertically plumb grids to allow accurate reproduction of an MFT (or custom) style table. The measurement portion of using an lr32 system was eliminated and hence a source of potential human and cumulative error. Also, the holes are about as perfectly vertically plumb as can be done without a drill press or plunge router. It is a thoughtful and carefully designed system. Just used it to make a 4x8 Ron Paulk/MFT hybrid using a nasty old piece of 3/4" cdx I had stored outside. Astonishingly accurate results considering. Something like maximum deviation of .007" over 3'. I will try again on new flat MDF of multiply birch and expect better.

@robertpearce802 4 года назад

I agree with your remark about Parf guide system. In no way can making a plywood square compare with the Parf guide. Ron Paulk has just made another video using the Parf guide (again), this time making a router table extension for his work bench. Also, Dave Stanton demonstrated using it to make a Kreg K5 mount. Once it is used to make an MFT then there are myriad of other things that can be done, to extent the functionality of the MFT. Of course, the Parf guide system could also be used to make plywood squares but not the other way round. Also, why is no one using the 20, 21, 29 Pythagorean triple.

@abcaabca6364 2 года назад

@@robertpearce802 One reason would be the accumulated error in counting to 20, 21, or 29 if using a method such as Peter's. 3, 4, and 5 minimized accumulating error, although there is an argument for the greater number averaging (or RSS'ing) the error to a lower net amount. Personally, I would hate doing the additional counting since I have a heavy bias toward screwing it up ;>)

@robertpearce802 2 года назад

@@abcaabca6364 My original suggestion of a 20, 21, 29 Pythagorean Triple was just a theoretical idea. I was looking for a way where the two sides differed by 1 thus making the angles closer to 45 degrees. (Obviously, they could never be 45 degrees as that would no longer be a Pythagorean Triangle). There is an infinite sequence starting (3, 4, 5), (20, 21, 29), (119, 120, 169), (696, 697, 985), ... At the time, it was just a theoretical idea but I have since realised that 20, 21, 29 is possible with the Parf Sticks utilising the 32mm holes, this becomes a 640mm, 672mm, 928mm triangle. However, I have not yet tried it.

@nteckk 5 месяцев назад

Brilliant with a brilliant accent...

@jemo_hack 4 года назад

Nice Peter, taking this one and adding it to the arsenal. BTW, I use the 3 squares option. I cut three square... Label A,B,C place them side by side A-B, then attach the third square on C on top of B. Camp and cut the side of AB, you can remove the blocks then build out the A-B C on top, and there is a 45* angle on the outer edge of the square... if that all makes any sense.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks Jose! Yes, perfect sense, thanks! 👍

@terryt2910 4 года назад

Nicely done. Another option would be to create a perfect square with all four sides equal and both diagonals equal, then cut corner to corner for 45° to make two.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks! Yes, but this method leads the way nicely into a future video.... 🤫 🤔👍👍

@abcaabca6364 2 года назад

The issue with the "square and diagonal" approach is how do you achieve the square to start with?

@terryt2910 2 года назад

@@abcaabca6364 since a perfect square has four 90° corners, four equal sided, and two equal diagonals, the use of careful measurement of any two of the three will get you there with one measurement left for verification. Of course, no matter how you do it, careful measurement is the key.

@WobblycogsUk 4 года назад

The ancient Egyptians would have been proud of you making a right triangle like that.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

No slaves were harmed in the making of this video. 👍👍😆

@MOREENGINEERING 3 года назад

Another great Vid. Thankyou Peter. I went to my local supplier yesterday to buy a piece of material to do just that(made a reference square). However, he only wanted to sell me a full sheet! 2.4m X 1.2m or such....nuts!! Another day, a different supplier. Oh the pain(that's what I get for living in the country :-(

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 года назад

Oh dear! aSometimes they have an offcuts bin that you can rummage through, for smaller pieces?. 🤷‍♂️👍

@MOREENGINEERING 3 года назад

Ana! They don't cut sheets, it's all or nothing. I was going to make mine on my Axiom CNC 600+ X 1200+. BUT, I'm not sure it's perfect(no proof yet). Maybe I'll find out after making the triangle(generate on VCarve a whole bunch of ways). Love tech, and math. Watched your first CNC vid today. Interesting(in a good way😁). Can't wait to watch the rest. Thanks for the reply, and great videos😀👍🍺

@riveravon5296 3 года назад

Inspiring, thanks.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 года назад

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@donlunn792 4 года назад

Nice one Peter. I am so surprised how inaccurate modern squares are. Unless you are prepared to pay for top line tools. I remember my dad, “many” years ago,purchasing a large framing square to build his Bird aviary.Yes he was a stickler for detail. He showed me how to check it, and it was absolutely spot on. Not Stanley or Record or any other brand name. Just an el cheapo, Framing square, But it was perfect. From a time when quality not quantity mattered. It was stamped made in Britain, So probably a Stanley or Record or even Starrett reject sold under another name,not Chinese in those days.

@theduftmeister 4 года назад

For those of us who can't afford/justify the parf system. Great vid Peter

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks! Peter’s Pythagorean Guide System! Costs a couple of quid - but only if you use the expensive lining paper! 😂👍

@stevenperceval5928 2 года назад

Great 👍

@DuncanRenovates 3 года назад

Comment for the RU-vid algo. Nice work.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 года назад

Thank you! 👍👍

@LTWCarpentry 4 года назад

I use this method all the time, especially when work in setting out “buildings” I generally just use a tape measure and work in metres. I.e 3m, 4m, 5m

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Yep, so simple and so accurate. 👍👍

@andrewl9332 4 года назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop Many years ago I was working for a building firm - well known but since gone bust - I was sent to a site where they were having problems with the setting out and levelling of the buildings. It was back in the days when industrial methods were being tried. The houses were steel framed. Roofs were assembled at ground level and craned into position - things like that. Problem was that the little group of graduate engineers were hot on theory, but not on practice. First, they were having trouble getting the buildings level. My first suggestion was to check the accuracy of the rather antique level they were using. I wont go into the details - it was a mile out and none of them knew how to check it. A modern level, checked for accuracy, cured that problem. Next, they were trying to set out a 10 x 6 (feet) outbuilding, with a theodolite - it took ages. The 3/4/5 triangle took a couple of minutes - they were amazed!

@nutsmcflurry3737 4 года назад

Was needing to place a head stone in a new section of a cemetery. We needed a 90 degree line from the roadway out across the new grass with no references. The city employ that came out to mark the line for us stood on the edge of the road, spread his arms out wide, tipped his head back, closed his eyes and brought his hands together out in front of himself. Draw a line there boys, that's perfectly 90 degrees.

@timselves1 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for a great video. Can't believe I am trusting a RU-vidr

@10MinuteWorkshop 7 месяцев назад

No trust required - try it for yourself. 🤷‍♂️👍

@noskills9577 4 года назад

Add 2 steel angle brackets to it - makes it very handy for marking 90 degree lines. Got several like this at work.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

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@oneeyedphotographer 2 года назад

There's a podcast channel, Shirtloads of Science, which has an interesting discussion about right angles and measurements of land by the Babylonians a couple of thousand years before Pythagoras. A problem they had, no fractions.

@robotsnthat 4 года назад

I used the same 3-4-5 system over many years putting up walls that are square, aligning machinery on a production line etc. Just use a chalk line and a tape measure. Use the longest length as the "4" section and then find a common divisor to work out the other lengths. Example, first dimension that you start with ("4" section) is 8m long. Divide by 4 gives you 2000 mm (2m). So for "3" section = 3 x 2000 = 6m and "5" section is 10m. Nail at each end of the "4" section. Tie a chalked line around each nail, then mark each line with a marker pen, one at the 6m length and the other at the 10m length. Stretch each line taught and move the lines so each mark intersects, snap to the floor and there is your square. Simples! Remember to use non-stretching lines though lol!

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

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@michaelplays2449 4 года назад

Good video thanks

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks! 👍👍

@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555 4 года назад

This is an awesome video. When I looked at the price of the PARF system was dismayed at the huge price. Like your method.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks! Obviously it will need to be used with some care, as strips of wallpaper probably aren’t as robust as steel rulers (!) but yeah, the principle is the same - just make that spacer 96mm! 😆👍👍

@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555 4 года назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop ok .... let me ask this seeing as I can't see the logic. Why 96mm? The 3,4,5 rule works for any multiple?

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Sorry. Festool MFT tops work on 96mm hole centres. 👍👍

@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555 4 года назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop ah..... good reason as any. lol .... now I know. Thanks

@georgescott6967 4 года назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop any idea why 96mm was chosen? I could understand 100mm or even 4". I don't imagine that it was random.

@BensWorkshop 4 года назад

Nice, easy simple. One of the things mass production has done is removed the need to know simple tricks for accurate results.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks Benedict! 👍

@BensWorkshop 4 года назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop it also answers the question "what was the nail thing about".

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

😂👍

@AndyCPugh 4 года назад

I do like a bit of workshop maths!

@gsilcoful 4 года назад

Thank you.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

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@schm4704 3 года назад

A version of this with an additional fence on one side would make a nice speed-square kind of tool for quick crosscuts with a circular saw or even jigsaw.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 года назад

Yep, good idea! 👍👍

@robertbruun4062 Год назад

That wad my first thought also 😉

@David.M. 4 года назад

Thanks!

@jeffpagnutti 4 года назад

Thanks for the video, Peter. 10 minutes watching your channel is never wasted. Curious, what caused the splintering at the very end?

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks Jeff! Not entirely sure tbh - usually it’s fine, but this time I should have used a scoring cut, I guess! 🤷‍♂️👍

@HepauDK 2 года назад

I would think it is best to use round nails for this, as you risk butting your track up against the side on one nail and the corner on another. With round nails, you are certain that the cut will be the same distance from the center of the nail.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 года назад

They are round nails. 🤷‍♂️

@deanowright359 3 месяца назад

I video like this is free and we pay so much for a square at big box stores 😅! We had wjat it takes to make our own squares all along 😮🤯

@huskyneusify 4 года назад

It's hip to be square 👍😉

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Or triangular! 😂👍

@das250250 4 года назад

you could glue up an oversized edging so the square can be butted up against edges and clamped

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Yep, this is just the starting point.

@catfishsalesco 4 года назад

How to make a UKJ guide system thing on the cheap- Peter parfait doesn’t want you to know about this one simple trick! 😉

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Must admit it hadn’t occurred to me - but now you mention it... 😂😂😂

@catfishsalesco 4 года назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop You clearly need to up your clickbait RU-vid title game!

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

catfishsalesco Next time! Peter’s Pythagorean Guide System! 😂😂

@xylonguitars 4 года назад

Peter Parfitt is openly celebrating that his system is inspired by the Pythagorean theorem. This is no secret.

@calceos6498 4 года назад

Another great video Peter...thankyou. Talking of right angles, can you advise or do something on setting the blade of a (/my Screwfix Titan) track saw precisely to 90 degrees with respect to the base. The angle markings/pointer are not accurate enough and exposing the blade, using an engineers square and tightening it all up needs four hands!

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks! I’ll have to take a closer look at mine when I’m back in the workshop as it’s not something I’ve needed to do, but i know the Festool has setting screws that can be tweaked - it throws off the angle gauge though.

@calceos6498 4 года назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop The angle scale on my Titan is from -1 to 48. With the middle of the orange "base pointer" in the middle of the 0 line (i.e. a vertical cut, blade exactly 90 degrees to base) the cuts are 1 to 2 degrees out of vertical. I have to fiddle around with a set square to get the base and blade at 90 degrees to each other...hence the need for a setting technique that does not use the scales!

@georgethomas6541 4 года назад

Very elegant method Peter. My query- how reproducible do you think it is using the paper strips? Won’t the nail holes in the paper develop some “wriggle room” and allow some drift after first use? Would a more rigid substrate help maintain accuracy?

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks George! The paper strips are only intended to be used to make one square; if you wanted to make them out of something stronger/thicker to make them reusable, then you'd probably have to drill the holes, which takes us into another level of complexity altogether! But feel free to give it a try, and le t me know how you get on. 👍

@MartynBellamyMusic 4 года назад

Stephen Fry's father (or grandfather) referred to this as the geometry of Peter Goras. Next week, Peter will complete his demonstration of making two workbenches from one. "Letting Rip" may be a good title, Peter

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks! I’ll add ‘Letting rip’ to my collection of excellent titles, awaiting use! 😂👍👍

@chm1701 3 года назад

Fascinating. This is brilliant. Out of curiosity, Peter, may I ask where your supply of birch plywood comes from please? I’m a hobbyist, but I’m after a good supply and I’m really struggling. Many thanks.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 года назад

Thanks Chris! I buy from a local timber yard, ajferguson.co.uk. Good yard, good people. 👍👍