A Poker Pro Explains Game Theory: Liv Boeree 

Having practised Zen meditation for 25 years I would say pick whichever of the mystical traditions that inspires you to practice and then follow it all the way to the end. "Many paths lead from the foot of the mountain, but at the peak, we all gaze at the single bright moon." - Zen Master Ikkyu.

Awesome segment u guys, TY! 🤯😍🙏

Thanks Liv and Rebel Wisdom!

I used to deal poker in a London casino to these old school poker pros and they were amazing in their intuition, especially from my perspective because I had no skin in the game. On the negative side, they were like sharks.

She was a marvelous and refreshing guest!!! Congrats!

Intuitive ability, with regards to choice, is not appropriate in every circumstance. Always good to include a good observation of probability.

If you want to fix the audio phase issues between mics and cut down on editing time, swap those lavs out (I'm guessing they're omni) for cardioid, or try super/hyper-cardioid condensers, or even shotguns just out of frame. The shots are tight enough that you could have a mic for each person just above their head. Great interview and great job navigating the phase issues. It's barely noticeable most of the time. Aloha!

"Nine out of ten of what we call new ideas are simply old mistakes. The Catholic Church has for one of her chief duties that of preventing people from making those old mistakes; from making them over and over again forever, as people always do if they are left to themselves..." -G. K. Chesterton

Really enjoyed that, will definitely be following Liv

This was fantastic! Thank you

Opening question: Sitting on a boat, can we navigate to the edge of the ocean? Liv: It's all ocean as far as I can see - and where's that boat?

This woman has an amazing mind. Wildly brilliant.

Coup d'oeuil, translated literally may seem like what you said it means but it is actually a collocation that means a "glance" or "glimpse" which ties in perfectly with what you described as it's a view or scene that happens quickly, is gone and leaves an impression.

Partying is short term gain for a long-term pain..

50:15 has he done a podcast on these 'self-replicating' machine angels of the GNostics? Sounds cool!

You're a GENIUS. LOVE to both of you. 😇👽💙

I've liked an explanation of game theory optimal play vs imperfect play being sub-optimal that Liv has described in a different interview. If you're playing "Rock-Paper-Scissors", the GTO strategy is complete randomness - roll a d6, and play rock with 1-2, paper with 3-4, scissors with 5-6. But if you're playing someone who is completely predictable (like, always playing rock, or cycling through rock, then paper, then scissors in turn) your GTO will win 33% of the time, draw 33% of the time, and tie 33% of the time - but you can do a lot better by anticipating your opponent's move.

there's something missing in this discussion of game theory. What's missing is an understanding of desire. Our "games" are driven by the desires of the participants. Our desires are not just rational choices. Our desires are mimicked from others. Once you understand that, you can see how shared desires lead to inevitable conflict over scarce resources. And then, according to Rene Girard, to the scapegoating and sacrifice of a person to let off the steam of the community in conflict. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LSzF2OG2ejI.html

Every once in a while I come across Liv and every time I wonder why I don’t listen to her more often.

If everyone cooperates and no-one defects, who‘s left to discover if there are better games out there?

Fantastic conversation. You guys might want a better/more compelling title here ;-)

Was at a table with her and james woods in a doubles tournament in world series was awesome

When we coming ro entropy, and complexity, you can distinguish a dynamics of information processing of humans un general. From birth, we try to soak up as much information as fast possible, but with time we try to reduce complexity by simplify information. So while everything approaches equilibrium, we fight against it in all sense. With time you more aware the importance of efficiency, calculate and use your energy to move in space or make any effort necessary to survive. So effectively being wiser and more mature is a process where you appreciate low energy state

She was fascinating

The precepts in Buddhism actually describe how a fully enlightened being behaves. To a Buddha, there are no precepts. Acting against the precepts leads to suffering. However, it can take a long time to realise this and a lot of us have to learn about karma the hard way.

Claire is talking like her. Is it already possible to copy intelligence onto something like a chip through Neuralink? Or maybe they are just on a similar level naturally. The more I listen to Liv the more I like her. Subscribed 😘

We have two opposite ideas in complexity, as a negative of technology, and as a positive of ecology and meaning. Great!

The complex system has many levels which emerge and have different rules, properties. Moloch is optimisation at one level, that breaks at the next level. We need resonance to flow through the levels, which is spirit.

The choice to be optimistic is important. However that should not include wilful ignorance. It's easy to be optimistic when you are delusional.

Good Show! O:)

Sophia, in Gnosticism, is not an Earth Goddess as Alexander was making out, she's an Aeon. The Aeons are emanations of the creator God, and come in pairs (one male, one female) called Syzergies. These Syzergies descend hierarchically from the creator God and are only allowed to reproduce with their partner when given permission from God. Sophia transgressed this law by giving birth herself, without her male partner and without permission from above - essentially a virgin birth. The result of this transgression is the Demiurge, a lower/lesser reflection of the creator God, who went on to create the material world.

Competition could be seen as a form of differentiation while cooperation could be linkage. Complex systems need to walk a tightrope between the two (both must be equally valued, neither blocked) to allow the system to flourish. Which it should on its own given such conditions.

"which state of mind would I rather live in"

Many psychologists say that people with antisocial personality disorder (colloquially known as psychopaths) have "cold" or "cognitive empathy".

57:02 - It appears, to me, that the universe is expressing increased complexity in pattern and is progressing from physical space (matter) into pure pattern space. The physical human brain, connected to countless other human brains forms the most complex physical object Nature has managed. She's moving into pattern space... And we humans are the means for that transition. Or something like that. :-)

Is this an Illuminated channel?

Cooperation with pockets of competition - this made me think of "socialism with Chinese characteristics"!

The combination of smartphones and social media is psychologically damaging our young women.

How do I learn more about this version of gnosticism? I never read anything about it being like, the earth as a living goddess and yahweh as the false, non existent God!?

1:04:40 It's not so much about externalities as about the difference between infinite and non-infinite games. It may have been game theory optimal to be selfish and take the money, but as Liv has seen there have been consequences through out her life. It would have been better to split the money and then even if you lose people will have sympathy for you. There is actually a strategy that has to my mind never bettered in game theory which is roughly 'co-operate until somebody betrays you, then never co-operate with that persona gain unless they first co-operate with you', and that can serve you very well.

52 mins in - you need to interview Cynthia Bourgeault about the Law of Three 👍

Perhaps the singularity is a state of complete simplicity with infinite potential...

Life and Humanity weighed against the history of the universe may seem complex but the consumption of fuel which is required by life is actually accelerating the heat death of the universe and bringing us closer to an equilibrium state

There is untrained intuition just as there is untrained rationality. Just thought I would mention 😉

We should never succumb to negative thinking. No-matter-what.

So the best intuition still wins. Now it just determines which game theorist wins.

The best definition of intuition which I found lies between the teachings of Dave Snowden and Iain McGilchrist...

Liv is lovely and I could listen to her all day. You need to reach out to Charlie Carrel who is ridiculously lovely too.

Get Dr Mattias Desmet on the show

I worked out Poker is 99% luck, anyone with a basic grasp of O level maths-probability has as much chance as winning as any one else. Which is why there are no regular winners of tournaments.

Her definitions of good and evil are morally wrong and come from the intellect. We need to practice meditation to return to a state of peaceful simplicity.

Whoa!!! Big shoutout to Rebel Wisdom for having Liv on. Thrilled to hear this.

Amazing that you didn't even mention decentralized finance

Liv is the person you interview when she flipped head ten times in a row

I just think "negative dystopia" are better to lymbic hijack attention and interest of most people because humanity is way more driven by fear.

Simply species survival is not a game...it's a moral decision. People have to want to cooperate, work together, and lose the tribalism and selfishness. That's the real question.....game theory has little to do with it unless you believe that humans are unconscious.....it's a conscious decision to survive together.

22:38 Religion. 22:39 Believe women.

Does this help a little? Human beings are pattern recognition machines Patterns here Patterns there Patterns everywhere What do they mean Are they promises Are they warnings Are they predicting the unforeseen Look at those numbers Those stars Those cards Those hints That convince of conspiracy Leaves in a cup of tea Who's that hiding in the bread mould Could it be the God of old Is that His face staring at me Who else could it be Maybe His mother Mary Three good things in a row On a winning streak Don't change your lucky socks Don't change your lucky shoes Don't change your lucky anything Patterns here Patterns there Patterns everywhere Intuitions Superstitions Apparitions All manifestations of a beautiful mind's obsession With pattern recognition

The question of balancing the goal with the greater good is partly addressed by considering time. Jordan Peterson is good on this subject, the "meta game" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yuyY0BlZs4c.html

Knowing this woman is connected to the RW/Social Dilemma group gives me hope.

So what I'd like to know is, how much she won? That'd be nice to know.

As long as people are being told that it's still not too late to avert the worst consequences of climate change, those who already believe that they are already personally among the least likely to suffer the worst consequences due to their wealth, advanced age, or geographic location on the planet, the less likely a "best outcome for everyone" seems to be a likelihood. Maybe, if more people were disabused of the notion that they will be spared the worst of it because of their advantages, a "religious" impulse might inspire them to step up. I haven't quite worked out how to do it. I feel certain that most people are starting to accept that it's real, but not a personal threat. Can game theory be used to get all players interested in a best outcome for everyone? @40:00

The reason that there is 100 x dystopian art Vs utopian art is that utopian stories would be boring. A story with no obstacle to overcome, no bad guy, just everyone being nice and doing nice things is boring when it comes to entertainment.

It's not about complexity vs moloch - it's simply about diversurdity. The universe tends toward, and likes, diversurdity. What is more absurd than diversity? Uniformity is easy, elegant, rational. For reasons beyond me "diversurdity" is the will of the universe.

What is intuition? .... as far as we know...

I absolutely hate the idea of having a religion, but I have a feeling the world "religion" popped up here by default, a bit like the word tolerance replaces empathy in many cases. What we lost with religion, and had with it, is the sense of inherent purpose in existence, and actually being a part of a whole of some kind. At this point most of us feel like we're stranded in vacuum of space except that space is our mind. Nothing that happens in our interaction with the environment has organic structure anymore, everything is mechanistic and inorganic (in a sense that its natural complex structures are overridden by techno-bureaucracy. But on top of that loss of faith (not religion) gives us this useless feeling of nihilism because we want things to matter inherently. But everything matters in complexity, the thing is we as individuals don't matter as much as our egos want us to matter. But as a pack of disorganised mammals we're destroying the planet. Awesome scenario - personal impotence to stop the extinction and collective downfall into it :D

The carthaginians were cananites

say those again please ...

I watched a bit there is nothing new in this maybe her own skills of bluffing and what poker is all about

Sorry, but she looks way better in person

"Imagining a dystopia is easier than imagining a utopia"? I surely don't think so... Christianity has been preaching a utopia for over 2000 years. Currently, the most prevalent (false) spiritual movements are based on positive thinking. Movies with happy endings are very frequent. People love to say "it's going to be ok"... How is a utopia more difficult to image?

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making you believe he didn’t exist.

Einstein says, “No problem can be solved from the same consciousness that created it.” So this lady or rebel wisdom, which is a clever name, because just by naming your group wisdom doesn’t mean that you have wisdom, or all these so called sense making experts are swimming in the same field of conditioned consciousness, so their is no way humanity can survive this madness that man has created, all these activities and solutions are generated from the same ground that crisis of humanity is manifested, so any solution that human mind has come up with, has become a greater problem, especially in psychological field, social media is the product of conditioned mind, all human activity has self-interest behind it, that’s what we corrupt everything we touch. But at least you are trying to understand why we are in such a crisis, your trying has become a game, because the ‘SELF’ is running the show and you think that you are in control, which is the source of our conflict and madness, well keep playing this game maybe your true‘intuition’ shows up. After listening to this conversation over 40 minutes, what came to my mind was, tradition damages human mind, now I see what a really damaged brains sounds like, as more information accumulated in the brain, it’s complexity increases exponentially, therefore it’s ignorance and it’s limitation, I don’t know how such a minds have a little space of attention to connect to life, people think through knowledge they can get to solve human problems, and get to enlightenment also, what a mental trip, they don’t see the damage religions have done to human mind, now they want another one, so more modern religions to be invented, I feel that this conversation is so mechanical that’s like two robots are talking, is this what’s sense making looks like, I can go on, but last word, you have to reach complexity with simplicity, but these two brains don’t know what is simplicity. This is a show off of knowledge of two egos who are drunk with Self show off, is this what you call enquirers? We are doomed if these are the people who are telling rest of us how to make sense of this confused world, saving world is not issue or a goal, it’s minds clever way for fame and wealth. What a insight this guy just said, “ego disconnected from self” if this is not madness I don’t know what is, pure ignorance of human conditioned mind.

Sorry to say but we are straight fucked. Hope without a plan is called a wish. Wishes don't get you very far.....

That definition of intuition or gut feeling is one hell of a strawman!

It would be helpful if Western women could get back in touch with their femininity. We all need to balance and harmonise our yin and yang elements.

Environmentalism appears to be emerging as a new religion.

I wish I had the theory of game to poke her.

The religion of conspiracy theories?

Love your work but hate these spoiler intros. So tacky and irritating to skip.

Liv said she doesn't like traditional religious rules, but how does she know those aren't the rules optimised after thousands of years of trials? Out experiment in promiscuity since the 1960s has only lead to broken hearts and broken families. Choosing a religion that satisfies all your whims is self evidently a Terrible idea no different to a diet of chocolate.

I can’t’ get past this dude’s hair. It looks like he put axle grease on what’s left of it with a roofing trowel, knocked his teeth around with it, and tied off the leakage in the back of his head with that tiny pony bun before striding confidently into a place where he knew he’d be filmed and possibly seen by dozens of others.

It’s such a crock of nonsense. Rather than explaining GTO in simple terms, she is just going around and around in circles.

Liv is one of my favorite birthing humans. 😁

Bitcoin, veganism, sports (and sportsmanship) will game-change. Otherwise, game over.

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Aww. Look at young people being serious and flirting.