David Fuller: What happened to Jordan Peterson? 

Well said. It's like 2 train conductors and one of them is insisting on the tracks that lead off the cliff and the other is looking to make a hard redirection away from it. David sits in the middle listening patiently and weighing both arguments with equal weight.

Fuller may not deny any of that Peterson, though has become an utter basket case His mind is addled by all the drugs he was huffing, and he is one of the most mentally frail people on either side of the culture was His fans are more infatuated than one direction fans too

This is common with these "both sides" types. They never consider the asymmetry you mention.

Agreed. David is woefully out of touch with the zeitgeist; intentionally?

I like what you said. The whole political landscape has been infiltrated and subverted, by radicals on all sides. Petersen's arguments may have political ramifications, but they aren't inherently political, in any Left versus Right framing. He's concerned with ethics and how a morally unimpeachable human being should act in this world.

Yes, time for empathy and comprising has passed.

lol fuller is part of the reason Peters became so famous, you musnt be a long time Peterson follower

@@Vgallo You are correct. I no longer listen to anything Peterson has to say. I would say why but I'm not allowed to which is why I don't listen to him.

@@usefulcontent9894 so David fuller was right then? And your comment was rash? I also don’t listen to Peterson anymore, he’s become the ideologue he warned everyone against, basically everything David fuller says here was spot on and yet look at the comment section, it’s full of triggered culture warriors who are totally blind to Peterson’s corruption. I don’t understand why you can’t say you don’t listen to him anymore

Just don't confuse hate with anger.

@@ahumandoing6813 These days any definition could be change to fit the narrative)))

And also, don’t confuse a joke with hate

@Hannu ...... I agree totally with you. People are either drugged pharmaceutically, asleep or indifferent so they don't feel the outrage when they perceive injustice. Suddenly this reminds me of the Film "Network" 1976. It was a great success. There was a line in the film which became a mantra for a time. I never forgot it. Sadly aside from a few of us everyone returned to the status quo. The line was "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more". It was a great scene. The more the character (Peter Finch) said the line on his tele show all over the city people began screaming out of their windows that same line. Alas, cinema did not become reality although it was even needed back then. We need a majority to wake up and join voices and intentions and of that I am unfortunately pessimistic.

Anger is just a emotion that can be expressed in many ways. Jordan choses to express it through agresion, usually passively.

Yes people are blind to what is happening to the west. It’s failings in front of us.

He doesn’t have academic qualifications on totalitarianism.

@@fi-train8961 So? Who does?

Platitudes. So you like him. We get it. The problem is, he has jettisoned what made him different and powerful, and has become like everyone else. Vitriolic, angry and egotistical. A true ideologue. He couldn't take it anymore and h embraced his emotions because he has a weak character.

Please provided examples of his predictions over the years manifesting in the world. When exactly were these predictions made--evidence please--and how exactly did they come true. So now he considers himself a prophet!? Next he'll be saying he's god. He is a narcissistic charlatan of the highest order. Wake up people. He once tried to buy a church in Canada so he could pontificate from the pulpit. The arrogance!

Well said

@@ThePdeHav 👏🏻✅

Yes. Rebel Wisdom are fence sitters Jordan Peterson is a man of principle willing to stand up for what he believes in

My feeling too - J.P is alive and well and being very honest about himself and what is required right now. This David guy is a coward and wilfully blinded by his own intellect. He says a lot without saying anything meaningful. Rubin and J.P are very much a part of the conversation and recognise the need to be vocal and not a fence-sitting commentator. Glad Freddie pushed back a bit here.

Well said

And what exactly did the PM do to the truckers and their supporters? Are you talking about the vast majority of truckers who kept working and had nothing to do with the protests, or just the small but vocal minority that the majority of Canadians did not support?

@@oldben101 - refused to meet with them or discuss the issues in any basic, level-headed, respectful way. - cowardly fled the scene, instantly - publicly name-called a large, diverse group of citizens with prejudice slurs, and orchestrated a major smear campaign. - Abused his power in an unprecedented way in Canadian history and dishonoued the basic rights of citizens to peaceful protest. The majority of Canadians were ill-informed on the true intentions and realities of the protests by a smear campaign largely fuelled by government and carried out by the msm.

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@@lovesees4320 Perhaps the owner of this channel used their free will to delete your comment. Imagine that.

Same here, I used to look up to the man and learned quite a lot of from him; it was because of Peterson that I began reading and exploring mythology psychology and philosophy, i think that made me a better person. It really saddens me to see him like this, he is like a completely different person from before 2020

Yes that’s understandable. He seems to be having a mental breakdown and needs time out. Unfortunately being seen with Shapiro and not questioning Nitinyahu on the genocide of indigenous palestinians is unnerving, unsettling and accusations against all Muslims. He has come across as a compassionate person yet this is total opposite.

@eve: You know the wokester "regulators" are trying to cancel Peterson's ability to practice clinical psych in Canada for, among similar things, tweeting a criticism of Trudeau for siccing Child Protective Services (or whatever it's called in Canada) on truckers who brought their children to the demonstrations? Peterson says he's enraged at this attempt to cancel him professionally, and he ought to be. But this Fuller is a useless gutless puerile little soyboy whiner who isn't worth a damn in a fight, and I want to hear no more from him.

But I’d helping or not.

The argument is his actions have contradicted what he championed in the past, like seeing things from both sides, not using dehumanising language, etc So if the change is JP becoming a right wing culture warrior then fine, but be honest that’s what he has become

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The whole conversation is about this man's feelings... "I feel that...", "It seems that..."... Pathetic. The only genuine concern is his support is being astroturfed with crazy on social engineering sites. Still, a straw man.

I have been around since day one when rebel wisdom started (dont like using the word wisdom when what he is doing is the opposit of the true meaning the word wisdom) And yes he is a massive woke leftist. He is a globalist and love multicultural societys. His channel is packed with "those we can not name" pushing their agenda 2030, NWO etc in a plethora of ways. He is a total nobody compared to Jordan Peterson. Tbh this David Fuller is sooo fu.. arrogant, and it makes me furious. He is the true narcissist personified. The only reason i stay on that channel ond many other channels like his is to gather info and se how they work. Observating, listen and reading up on and about his guest etc.

I don’t think growing balls in the middle of a gender dysphoria debate is very helpful.😐

LOL

@@celiacresswell6909 Was it a debate about gender dysphoria? Has the phenomenon of gender dysphoria always been as evident as it is these days. Or is there something in society that has in some progressive way caused this insanity to increase? Maby im missing your joke here..

I agree with David - Jordan has lost his mind. He attracted many people because of his ability to synthesize complex topics. Now he's just a typical angry right winger stereo type. Sad.

@@hughmann9097 Everyone should be angry nowadays given everything they are being put through. People always bang on about the dangers of the "extreme right" and they are continually put up as a boogeyman but in reality there are hardly any of them and they hold no positions of power. The extreme left on the other hand have infiltrated everything and hold power in places of education, religion, politics, both corporate and social media and they get to frame the narrative and set the agenda. The rights problem is they are not angry enough about what's happening to erode decent society, something they want to conserve.

You said it right: war. Not a culture war, just war.

@@hughmann9097 Yes and the Left are so calm, reasonable, decent, deep-thinking, measured and nuanced.

Yes. This is exactly the situation

He’s currently speaking out on brain scrambling children and marching them down the path of sterilization. I can’t believe we live in a time when people can’t see this obvious societal insanity.

I largely agree with Jordan, but yes, he has turned into an angry old man. I wonder if his recent medical predicaments have had an influence on him, or if he is putting on a show. Or perhaps the money he is now raking in is too tempting. Don't know. This is probably the most composed I've seen him: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hKUffHXOb8U.html

This is exacly how I feel about it. Lately he came out as really deranged. I understand his struggles etc. but as someone who preached personal responsibility, he let anger and bitterness get better of him. I also fear that his popularity has a bad influence on him.

I get what you're saying and i'd like to see him doing a little more of those older style, more empathetic interviews to round things out, but at the same time he always was very strong about certain issues and that draws in a lot of people too.

This is true, but also a bit of memory holing is going on here. He was plenty angry in some of his older videos. They were also accompanied by way more videos and interviews where he was calm and collected. But his anger showed at times, in certain areas. Never really out of place either. And while I understand why people are seeing him slightly differently now, I'd like to remind them that they are really only focusing on one tweet and one video. He had a conversation with Kyle Kulinski after that video, where he comes off way more calm and reasonable about that situation. And he's also not reacting to a 2017 and 2018 world anymore. A world where he was warning about authoritarianism and the left "going too far." Jordan is now reacting to 3 years of authoritarian overreach and the woke left gaining the most cultural power that they've ever had. He's seeing all of his warnings come to fruition. The man is allowed to raise his voice in one video. I think a lot of people are overreacting and forgetting a few of his older videos where he had plenty of strong stances and tempered anger displayed.

At least it's an electric bus. 😎

True

Peterson is on that bus too, though. He may be a 'distuptor', but he's still enjoying the ride. And his supporters are paying for it too. Nice grift if you can get it!

He has one hellof a lug- wrench. His peers stand ready with lifting jack and repair kit Even a few comedians to pump the tires back up . ....so if the wheels be fallin off the fuckin bus, I'd want him on the pit- crew.

Absolutely!!

No more mister nice guy. As a cranky 70 year old Canadian that can not believe this great country has become so complacent and whimpy. I think a bit of agression against the ridiculous last two years is called for. Go get them JP. ❤️🇨🇦

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A threat that exists in reality in people's heads.

It is appalling. Utterly.

Right on Sir. (Enjoy the Afterlife)

He'll find out soon enough, sadly

I get the impression hes just watching clips of JBP, not entire arguements or podcasts. He is correct that further right lines are mire common but the nuance is still there.

I don't think David Fuller likes David Fuller ... you can see it a few times in this interview, it's a bit of a bottom feeding role to spend time taking someone down behind their backs, and it's a bit sad that Unherd gave him the platform.

Fuller is just griffting.

him joining daily wire, aka going commercial was the last step in ending my following, for all it matters

Bravo!!!

Best reply here, nailed it

Well stated and wholeheartedly agree. Sadly Canada and it’s politics are mostly ignored, most of the time.

exactly. jordan knows whats at stake. the situation in canada calls for people of courage and conviction, not lukewarm limpdicks. and the problem is, there is an urgency, a sense that "if we dont right this now, it might be too late to do anything about it later". im grateful to jordan peterson for recognizing that and stepping up to the plate.

Good point. The situation in Canada must have a bearing on his situation.

His return, also coincided with the world experimenting with authoritarianism and woke leftist ideology springing forth like never before. Its not like he's reacting to nothing

He's speaking to the horror many of us feel at what's happening to our country (Canada) and the rest of the world.

@@kburns2470 yeah I totally agree with you and it's frightening what's happening in Canada. I'm Scottish and its horrifying what's happening in my country too. Our SNP government has introduced new guidelines in schools where children as young as 4 are asked to decide what they want their gender to be and are then free to use whichever toilets, changing facilities they choose etc regardless of how other children feel about it. The really sinister thing is that school teachers and staff are under no obligation to inform the child's parents about anything and in some cases reported they were actively encouraged to prevent parents from finding out! New legislation here also requires police, nurses, doctors and other medical staff to treat every person according to their chosen gender despite any dangers that may arise from doing so! The new hate speech legislation here is ambiguous at best. It doesn't clearly define what exactly constitutes as hate speech or who is responsible for making that definition and what guidelines they'd follow to do so. There are many examples where a person can simply decide if something said to them is hate speech or not!!! It's utterly horrifying! The Scottish government state that they are the most progressive in Europe? They, along with so so many more people ( mostly leftist, woke, young, activist types ) seem to be confused and think that change automatically equals progress! This is simply not always the case!

@@graemejack9040 yes, we are on a similar trajectory here in Canada with regards to gender ideology. I've been worried about and debating people about that since I think around 2016 or so, the concerns around that for women and children specifically, though it affects everyone. The totalitarianism was evident then, too, but it ramped up significantly with the response to Covid. We just want our normal lives back, our human rights back. No mandates, no coercion, no bullying, no censorship and silencing. Not all Canadians understand what's happening, obviously, but some do and the majority seem to understand something is amiss, though we still have a way to go in getting them to understand how serious it is.

His anger is righteous and entirely appropriate. He hasn't changed. The climate gas changed. He has not shifted. This David guy is clueless.

100% THIS!! We have strayed so far from sanity at this point if you don't have some righteous anger, I doubt your pulse!

Exactly!

I'd go further and say JP is not radical enough. When he talked to D Rubin on gay parenting, I just couldn't stand it. So, let me put it this way: there should be radicalization when talking about damaging children.

@@foolfether. Like indoctrinating children with religion?

Plus Twitter has _never_ brought the best out in anyone. It’s time Twitter went the way of Vine if you’re asking me, which I appreciate, you the reader, are not.

Jordan appears to be so dim he calls the Centre Right, USA Democrats, the ''radical left''!

He is not quite as right wing as Poud Boys, Klansman but he caters to them.

Twitter has picked a side just like Facebook. They are mainstream now.

@@tobedownloaded6277 Why are you people so whinny, thjey kick liberals off as well.

I wonder if his being on a 100% meat diet has had any effect on him. (Just to clarify, I eat meat regularly. Vegetarianism doesn’t appeal to me in any way.

Peterson is simply wrong and his misrepresentation of the real issues is simply disgusting. Those with power pretending they are the victims. From C-16 on he's been making claims about things he doesn't understand

@@rugbyguy59 lol, and you do?

@@muskratdove Understand all the things? No, but when you listen to.prople who.do understand Bill C-16, Marxism, Postmodernism, gender pay gap, lobsters, dominance heirarchy, etc, etc you just see how wrong he is. You don't have to fully understand a topic to see when someone else is obviously wrong.

@@rugbyguy59 It's funny, because I have been listening, but simply drew a different conclusion than you did. He is a lot more right than wrong. Please save your disgust for the ones who are actually manipulating you.

good point.

I'm glad it woke him up if that's what did it.

I've never seen Jordan Peterson, before or after his illness and near death, loose his cool or lash out and he has been so disgustingly attacked by so many far, far beneath him intellectually that it really took superhuman control not to strike back. I do see less of a detached demeanor but I wouldn't be surprised if to learn that he suffered brain damage from the Clonezepan hell and near death he went through. The writer Robert Greene suffered a stroke and says he has trouble controlling his anger now.

no he just stepped out of his lane for dollars

He was also on massive amounts of benzoz

Agreed. 👍 BTW it’s JBP. Not JPB, who even more “ahhhsome”. 😁

Exactly, Joe. Can’t believe they let him talk about this topic. It’s clear he doesn’t know anything.

Exactly, he was attacked for his synthesizing form by one side. Like this guy says its a war. When a neutral party is attacked it can't stay neutral forever and survive.

Agreed

Better yet - whoever boils everything in society down to two sides is wrong. That includes JBP if he ever does it

Totally agree with you here, Jan. He's an expert in the past evils of communism/ totalitarianism and he sees a mostly unsuspecting present world falling victim to these very same ideology disguised as woke ideals of tolerance and compassion.

Which is why he sucks up to Orban and Putin

The danger of more far right mass shootings?

Maybe. But as someone who was preaching about responsiblity, importance of clarity in communication etc. we should hold him to a bit higher standards. In videos Fuller is talking about he was clearly unhinged.

yep. and it is clear that this guy does not.

Exactly. I couldn't take very much of this whiny little soyboy Fuller. The pose of earnestly trying to convince the determinedly inconvincible enemy while getting kicked in the nuts doesn't have the virtues he imagines it has. Mainly it arouses contempt, and not just in who he imagines is an interlocutor.

@@gandydancer9710 Yup. I had that same comptemptuous feeling. It made me physically nauseous.

"Saving" gives slightly cultist vibes. I like peterson more than I like a lot of his followers.

Very well said. There's only so much room in the lifeboat.

@@gedofgont1006 indeed haha. indeed.

@@gedofgont1006 That's what Noah was told, back in the day.🍁

@@TurdFerguson101 😂😂😂 Good one!

Well said Chris!

When Fuller viciously attacked Bret Weinstein roughly a year ago, his credibility evaporated. This is not what intellectual friends do. He's now repeating his holier than thou attitude toward Peterson. Sniffing his own farts comes to mind.

dont forget the chyna, russia, Qatar interference via social media. lets not forget that organized money want you focused on something else as well.

@@literatious308 how did he viciously attack Weinstein? His criticisms are valid in my opinion. Bret made some outrageous claims and made some incredibly arrogant statements that turned out to be false. He refuses to have anyone qualified to refute his claims from an opposing viewpoint on his podcast and he’s doing his audience a huge disservice in doing so.

@@dannnnydannnn5201 Turned out to be false according to who? Proof is in the pudding, try these cheap meds and see what they do to you. Then formulate a POV.

Agreed!

And done in such a gentlemanly way, in which same way his guest responded. We could use a bit more of such civilized engagement on this the other side of the pond.

I was thinking exactly that. Sophisticated, intelligent, civilized, skilled and charming.

True. Really great level headed character. But let’s not praise him too much, it may go to his head and then he becomes intellectually dead to me.

Freddie is a fantastic interviewer

This was very good. Agreed

The Left doesn't hate him "because he believes in freedom." He can be persnickity and unfair I guess. When I responded to one of his entrees that he wholesale bought the Hicks crackpot misinterpretation of Kant's philosophy as non-Enlightenment he personally responded by calling me "an ungrateful little shit!" adding "What books have you written?" After responding that (1) I'd written and published 3 works in philosophical theology and (2) I doubted the author of the remark under his name was really him, (given it was so abruptly crude and judgemental), I received NO RESPONSE.....🤔

@@jamesbarlow6423 as you say it was likely not JP. That said, in all the lectures and interviews I have seen, I have never JP be unfair. People may take offense for what he says but if you breakdown the logic of the argument I think you will find his opponents are being unfair holding him to standards that they neither hold or even attempt themselves.

@@mloney9772 . I hold to my standards too, and nowadays I'm not so sure it wasn't him. The morally indignant frequently can't tell who is on their side and who is not.

@@jamesbarlow6423 I am glad to hear you hold to your standards. Hopefully you didn’t think I had said otherwise. Indignation has a haute, ignorant connotation. I am curious which, of JP’s comments were indignant, persnickety, or unfair.

@@mloney9772 . The one he made to me, as I wrote in here

Excellent comment. Thanks.

completely inaccurate summary.

Not only Canada.

well said. I'm so pleased there are so many people like yourself on the comments section here, that don't agree with Fuller. I lost faith in Fuller over a year ago. Firstly with his views about Bret Weinstein, and his friendlyness to that paid shill ZDoggMD, who is far too polished, and too well presented to be anything but a paid pharma guy. And now this. He is trying to subvert what Peterson is telling us.

@@technopop90 ……And sometimes people with intellectual prowess get trapped in their own mental constructs.

I watched this guy years ago make this same argument, he is only showcasing his weakness. Jordan is taking on child mutilators and totalitarians, I am failing to see the problem here

And generalized anxiety, for which JP took Clonazepam, is indicative of repressed/suppressed other emotions, such as anger and sadness. The Clonazepam created, for a time, a more peaceful JP. Coming off that drug is brutal, if it doesn't kill you, and, the feelings that were present but unconscious come roaring back. JP is a smart and insightful man, but one cannot think their way out of feelings, effectively. Feelings are in the body, and JP, like many intellectuals, adapted by living there. It is an adaptation made early. I don't know what he's now taking, but you can be assured that as he "angers", and manages to do so without saying/doing anything too harmful to himself or others, his anxiety will lessen, and his ability to manage (which in our crazy culture(s) looks like a poker face) his anger, which for me has always been "right there", will noticeably lessen. I agree that not mentioning this is unfair. In all honesty, if I hadn't the experience, and thus researched "getting off Clonazepam", and read the horrors, and learned of what it does to the GABA system, the long-term effects, I'd have thought it an "excuse." Another walk in another's shoes should be teaching this slow soul, that we just don't know what's happened to, what's happening with another without getting to know them, and perhaps finding the commonalities to enhance compassion and perhaps empathy. I've tired, for the most part, of how clever intellectuals wrestle over increasingly reductionistic concepts and theories.

Love this!! 🙏 Thank you from Canada and this Jordan Peterson supporter, admirer and fan ❤

He's also seemingly supported people who are making a difference and actually taking action to resolve issues. Jordan's interview with Magatte Wade is worth a watch.

very helpful comment for me to read - thanks

@@careybuchanan Just wanted to say that that is actually just a nice comment to see someone leave. Have a good one 👏

@@excel04 very much so!

JDP has found the TRUTH and decided to embrace it

Jordan Peterson is a lot of good things but he is not a champion of common sense.

He is not left wing, he's very clearly on the side of the right.

@@meownover1973 NOPE. He is on the side of the Truth. Leftwingers believe in so many DELUSIONAL fantasies. Proof: they cannot even tell you what a Woman is.

@@friarnewborg9213 it's established by the American Psychological Association that transgenderism is a real thing and transwomen are categorically women.

I don't see any contradiction here. Practices like meditation etc can be very helpful to slow down. Self-reflection is necessary to relate to others and to have meaningful conversations.

With you right there, Kevin!

Peterson chose the side of reason. This makes him a major enemy of the Left.

One cannot negotiate with totalitarianism.

Oh man.. So TRUE!!

Ellen Page is a total Chad compared to Incel Jordan Peterson.

Yes, that’s the alternative part of the alternative media…giving voice to the alternative views and narratives that the mainstream put out as unchallengeable fact.

I would have preferred alternative media to do what mainstream media didn't do: having a discussion. Instead they did the same just with the other side. I'm still very disappointed with e.g. Bret Weinstein that he e.g. didn't host a discussion between both sides on the Ivermectin issue. I very much distrust the mainstream media/narrative but because of this I distrust Bret Weinstein a little bit more than before Covid.

@@hansmeiser32 You (and this interviewee) seem to think that would have been an option (i will give you both the benefit of the doubt).. Part of corporate medias efforts are aimed at making sure there can be no debate. Any scientist / doctor etc willing to debate would quickly see the error in their ways or else become "much maligned", "controversial" etc (do you not see the language used by corporate media and their owners ? ). Wake up. You can see it in this interview alone though this gentleman is more careful with his words than many.

@@andrewmclaren6974 careful with words, exactly. Watching you can see how much he tried to (and did) avoid "deadnaming" Elliott Page, and without doing so one needs to go in clumsy circles to explain the context. Luckily the host was less hesitant and just said it.

Exactly. As far as I know, Malone and McCullough would be happy to be debated by people with opposing viewpoints, but none of them will. The fault is with (i) those people who refuse to debate, and (ii) those media who don't challenge the "official" point of view. Science is not a body of knowledge, but a process of weeding out wrong claims, and it can only happen when those claims are allowed to be challenged. I wasn't impressed at all by Fuller in this interview. I think the only valid point that he made was that alternative media need to be prepared to challenge their audiences' beliefs. What he forgot to mention is that traditional media need to do the same, and that part of the popularity of alternative media _is_ the challenge of considering alternative perspectives and assessing their strengths and weaknesses. Joe Rogan, in particular, thoroughly explores his guests' claims, and he does challenge them (for example, picking up McCullough on his claim that you can't get Covid twice). Jordan Peterson has pointed out that his approach is fundamentally truthful, and is what makes him so popular. By the way, did anyone else think that Fuller was going to say 'order' instead of 'view' just after 42:36?

The time for holding hands and singing Kumbaya is over baby.

@@G_Ozare Because it's either holding hands or yelling at each other, right?

Same here, as his sickness have made a changes (no wonder) but after joining Daily Wire he have become something els, a different animal, I´m just glad that I try to stay away from idolizing people and follow them and instead try to listen to ideas. Follow Ideas Not Men: ★ If a person had done an extra ordinary achievement and helped most of the people , we come to a conclusion that he is good and we can follow whatever he says. ★ This is the Cognitive bias - a systematic error in thinking. ★ We think that a sample taken from a enormous quantity is same as that of others surrounding that sample. ★ This is the problem of sampling. eg : a kind of thought that a sample of rice taken from a rice bag is same as that of the other rice samples present in that same bag. But the truth is that all the rice samples in the bag may not same. ★ When we realize that the person whom we followed had done a bad thing ; we would get struck into the halo effect. ★ Halo effect is the tendency to judge a person based on a previously formed favorable or unfavorable impression. ★ At this point we would come to a cognitive bias that whatever good things he had contributed to the society is meaningless and his achievements are meaningless. ★ The identity of that person makes us blind from observing his good thoughts and ideas. Here that person is not the loser but we are the losers. ★ The solution is Don’t Worship Men if you like their ideas . Think about their Ideas and fit those ideas into your life if those ideas made sense to you.

You are becoming the kind of person that Peterson warned about, unable to see someone as multifaceted and nuanced. Peterson has always been the same person, he just expresses more of his own personality these days. You were ok listening to him while he was essentially lecturing saying things you agreed with but now he's often commenting on more contentious topics you are not 'comfortable' with it.

Agree wholeheartedly, and I’m not at all a Jordan Peterson fan, but readily acknowledge he’s speaking to a whole host of people who’ve been ignored!

Trudeau? Far right? Or in league with China? More Communistic!

@@Geezerelli he’s obv far-left - apple doesnt fall far fr the tree

once people realise there's no arguing their absurd logic, they don't want to listen or debate in good honesty and faith then what? You have to take a stand. Not just sit back and "let's have a conversation" ....... but actually get radical and stop sitting on a fence. Don't bring feelings to a data fight kinda battle.

Absolutely with you... 👍👍

It means he knows who his paying subscribers are and who he needs to keep titillating. Yawn.

@@hallelujah88 pmnb. I'm mk know. Mm in Ann Arbor kkoiiii. . I'm. In. M. .m..n

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Agreed

Or you are just captured by your side of the political divide and are totally blind to your own incompetence.

Brilliantly said! You nailed it 👏👏👏

Learn to speak mandarin. You're going to need it.

I agree. Peterson was preaching about clarity in communication and responsibility. He had texts on how important is to read, write, formulate your thoughts. Yet it looks like he got addicted to twitter with limit of 280 characters. The fact that he got so angry over this ban is grotesque. He came out as a silly, entitled narcissist. I thought higher of him. I was wrong.

Elliot Page is not just an 'individual'. /She's/ an activist, an outspoken public figure with an agenda, a dangerous one in his view. Peterson would not touch her if she were a private person. He also has trans supporters who do not agree with the ideology.

He was only ever an 'intellectual', rather than an intellectual. But his largely uneducated acolytes were unable to tell the difference.

E. Page is not JUST an individual , but a high-profile celebrity with money and a wiling member of a political movement which seems delighted to attack and topple the traditional foundations which many of our ancestors helped build and still work 🤷‍♂️ I am an individual … you are too . Eliot Page is a high-profile appendage of a particular movement . WAKE UP ! 😡

Fuller's critique of ivermectin became more of an attack on the character and intellectual integrity of Bret Weinstein.

Obviously the point here isnt to take an objective look at the whole of JPs words, theyre taking the worst clips and assuming the worst meaning.

Children must explore the world through imagination in order to understand it. The last thing they need are bad examples and one-way decisions early in life.

Yes, he shows up the David Fullers’ of this world to be nothing more than milquetoast fence sitters with an unctuous line in handwringing.

It seems the rebel wisdom guy has now become mainstream wisdom. I seem to remember one of his shows supporting covid jabs all round...Not a lot of wisdom in following propaganda but that's his right. Covid and the collapse of social and economic values have driven many to choose a side and hopefully the more truthful side. I think that's JP 's and Russel Brands stance now.

@@simonbrownbridge9919 absolutely as soon as this Fuller chap promoted the covid jab I stopped listening to his Rebel Wisdom. I wonder if he'll ever admit he was wrong!

JP is Brave But he is not a brilliant mind... He's a good university lecturer, whether you agree with his stance or not. He is academically & intellectually bright But Brilliant...?!? He is a Brilliant Speaker But his actual ideas are more dressing than content & we have no evidence for how positive the outcomes are. Much like the Jab.🤭 But yes he is Standing Up against the CULTural conditioning of this crazy moment But only in favour of the CULTural conditioning of the past. The very same BS that got Us Here in the First Place.... Western Capitalist Democracy has failed We need somit new that Serves the People & the Planet 🌎❤️ In my Humble🕊️

@@lovesees4320 “Western Capitalist Democracy has failed” in your opinion. I am from the former USSR and I know the depth of socialism failure. Nobody is trying to get immigrated to Russia still and somehow there’s a long line of people coming here. They vote with their feet. I agree with you on jabs. “ but only in favor of the cultural conditioning of the past.” Culture is a compounded pattern of survival of people for thousands of years. Has to always be renewed and saved from corruption. Very C. G. Jungian idea too. JP is proponent of renewal also. “ We need something new that serves the people & the planet.” What is something new, I wonder? Does it have to come from someone like WEF? To make me fulfilled? Who is the agency? People or some smart, benevolent caring government, which I don’t believe exist.? You have to watch out for anybody in power- remember, power corrupts…. Especially, socialists and communists love authoritarian style (from my experience). IMHO.

Exactly!

Then perhaps he should've stayed in fucking Canada then.

Fuller is wilfully ignorant and as such complicit. Unfortunately weak men like him are the problem in 21st century western world.

Do you consider being a privately owned magazine practicing its freedom of speech by including an overweight chungus on its cover a sign of injustice? Or an adult exercising their freedom to become trans? These are two things that Peterson has gotten very hostile and angry towards, and i personally don’t think he was being very based with that.

@@spartanguitarist6579 If you're "an adult exercising their freedom to become trans" then you're mentally ill. But Peterson isn't hostile to the mentally ill,, he's hostile to individuals who enable and then profit from mental illness, such as the criminal MDs. Celebrating obesity is pretty weird too.

The left is in control of all government and institutions. Your comment is absurd. You criticize those who are currently committing evil.

Beautifully put, thanks.

I also wanted to add as I watch this video more and listen to David ... I think there are also multiple versions of David, and he has shifted as well, it became very apparent in the videos over the past 6 months... his new heterodox is criticizing the dissidents which makes me wonder...

As a Canadian, I thank you for this comment and standing up for our incredible Jordan Peterson 🙏

Can you expand on what's happening in Canada or suggest links please? Genuinely interested.

Jordan Petersen is an oddball and kind of a egomaniac- BUT- I agree with much of what he has to say and we need more like him with the courage to speak up against the mob.

Bingo.

JP realized that he better stfu or his meds will make him crazy and his wife will get cancer.

and so decided to don a pinstripe suit and film an aggressive spiteful diatribe in a well lit studio... That'll really solve the culture war.

Perfectly said 👏🏻

@j49c. The charge of stoking up the culture wars and thus increasing polarisation is bizarre. The activist lobby has so far succeeded to the point of implementing their ideas. They have been ruthlessly successful in silencing their opponents up till now by labelling them as far right bigots. Now that camp is filling up with the likes of JK Rowling it's a less effective move. To accuse people who fight back of polarising the situation is like blaming anyone who opposes an invading army of aggression.

indeed mate........ that drove me crazy, now the light has been shined on that topic there needed to be a comprehensive look back. Not a double down. RW was awesome in the beginning but has fallen into a hate platform of how his guests have lost their ways. ........... funny he still bangs on about BW saying IVM was 100% effective, but doesn't bring up the fact that fauci said the vax was 100% effective. LAME

As I understand it, he's not so much leaving Rebel Wisdom as closing it down.

Yeah David " we need to have a conversation " Fuller.

The Weinsteins are opportunistic monologists

@@russellsharpe288 clearly wasn't making enough cash off it, ridiculous business model and concept

By picking a side, he lost his. His side was not one of the "sides".

Elliot Page? I see you picked a side!!!

This is the correct take

His handlers keep him drugged like Marilyn Monroe then wheel him out whenever there's an opportunity to make money. It's all become an act - the book deals, the stadium tours, he's a show pony turning tricks. He's terrified of becoming an irrelevant old man so he always has to up the shock value to stay noticed.

Just out of curiosity, can you see mine, where I refer to this being war? I've had not a single thumbs up, you see; and I know many who've commented here would agree with my bleak assessment. Thanks.

@@gedofgont1006 I'm afraid I didn't see your comment, sometimes it takes time for a comment to be shown to more people. Hope this helps!

@@elllllllll It does. Thanks very much!

Not wanting to watch videos on RU-vid all day long but still interested in the topics, I often read comments before watching videos and sometimes I decide the video isn't worth my time! I'm with Jordan Peterson and so didn't bother watching this one. I've heard enough BS in the last 2 years, not to want to hear any more.

@@gedofgont1006 It is acknowledged by many as a war: culture war (against family, nation, church, individual) on a deeper level it is seen as a spiritual war or attack. If you know anything about the World Economic Forum, its young global leadership programne - Justin Trudeau being a graduate - and the UN, you will know that there is a war already in progress against the private ownership of land and property and agricultural production.

came here to say that, saw you already said it :)

He is the stand out interviewer of his generation.

Yes- Freddy is a true journalist-teasing out the info without taking sides-a rare talent in this day and age.

Once you cheat death once nothing frightens you any longer.

David is a weak beta male of little consequence in our ongoing culture war.

Absolutely agree

I agree with a lot of this analysis but he was way more popular and effective before. Now he’s just preaching to the choir

@@ladyj3173 I see what you mean, but isn't that always the trajectory? It's like with bands when they're fresh faced and up and coming there's something special about them, by the time of the 5th album critics say "oh they've become trapped in their image". Feels to me that's what Fuller is essentially saying. He wanted jordan peterson to be David Bowie instead of being Led Zeppelin (maybe my analogy is terrible but I hope you know what I'm trying to say).

I share the same feeling. I hope we are wrong.

I completely agree with you. If a person is in hysterics, there is no point just whispering to them. You have to slap them around the face so they snap out of it. That is the place we are now in with this very Orwellian agenda.

Jordan is forcefully speaking up about child mutilation and the rise of the authoritarian left, especially in Canada. I am failing to see where the problem is

Absolutely agree.

Peterson knows more about brutal history of communism/totalitarism and he is aware of its "beginnings". Moreover, if you do not express anger when you are angry, you usually become depressed. I always thought that he needs to get FINALLY angry (to show it) to stop being depressed. I think for him now it is better to be angry and active than depressed and weak. At the same time, I watch him less. I enjoyed his analysis more.

I start reading the comments for exactly the same reason and, just like you, I am very relieved! Especially that I just watched JP@ Lex Friedman! Great interview!

Boom, right there, hence why I stopped watching Rebel Wisdom

I hear what you’re saying but I kind of disagree; if David really feels JP is being pulled into an echo chamber by audience capture, it would be pretty disingenuous & grifty to continue riding the JP phenomenon for views or money… if David’s goal is peace and synthesis rather than picking a side & fighting with a team in the culture war.

But he did change, and he did change his expressed views

@@nathanliteroy9835 If his views have changed then give some actual examples.

@@Oo27254 The tweet about Elliot Page? He was ok with being transexual before.

Well said.

I think many of us have felt our world upended. I was very interested in Jordan Peterson's critique of postmodernism, loved his book Maps of Meaning. His approach to mythic truths in religion, all of that. I even bought his book "12 Rules for Life" in which he wrote, "Tell the truth, at least don't lie." I always wondered what he would comment on Donald Trump, a major world figure who demonstrated being factually challenged on many important occasions. He never had a word to say about Trump in this regard. I felt something was missing there.

Bang on!!

I think you may enjoy RU-vid channel The Duran. Best wishes.

@@evolassunglasses4673 Oh, that’s the show with the ex British lawyer who forged a judge’s signature, isn’t it?

totally agree Rez, the rebel Wisdom youtube channel rose on the coat tails of Jordan Peterson success ( that glitch in the matrix video is a good one though), and theres alot of good and interesting content on RW channel, but now that RW is shutting shop and David Fuller moving on, this reeks of attention seeking.

Well said

As a JP fan I expected him to follow his own advice and not resort to drugs when things get tough. I’m sure JP wouldn’t consider the “meds” he got prescribed drugs but I do. Ironically he never said anything against the cannabis conspiracy that most of our intellectuals championed.

Who said he owes anyone? What an unhelpful comment, and very symbolic of the breakdown of nuanced discussion which David was touching on in this interview.

@@freedomfreedom6544 I kinda feel you on this one...but Remember why he was in that situation...his wife and daughters health prognosis were very, very ominous...and rather than sink into drinking, etc...he asked for professional help (don't get me started on how little I think of psychiatry and medications....). He then got addicted (as you do) and got himself off of everything. ...he was not abusing them for escape- keep in mind, just relief. He's human. He did the best he could given the obstacles. I bet you he learned his lesson tho!

Peterson has put himself under immense societal pressure by putting himself out there as an expert in too many diverse areas outside of his scholarship and making so many bullshit statements. There are so many wiser, more honest, more learned intellects for people to listen to on YOUTube. Intellects who speak from their actual area of expertise rather than going off on arrogant tangents like Peterson. i.e. The cringe-worthy pontifications and ludicrous positions posited by Jordan B. Peterson: He strongly implied that women wearing makeup in the workplace invite sexual harassment. He was called out on this so many times, he had to waffle walk it back. Rules concerning men arguing with men verses men arguing with “crazy women” are unfair because men can't hit women. An essay in which he stated hating Muslim people wasn't a bad thing because all Muslims are violent extremists. His lie that every country with a Muslim government gives the death penalty for blasphemy. His completely ridiculous statement that ancient people knew all about DNA and that the medical symbol of the intertwined snakes is proof of that. Corporal punishment should be used to discipline children-even two-year-olds. (Rule 5) If he'd bothered to do any research on this, he'd have learned that studies concerning corporeal punishment showed that even spanking has long term negative effects on children. Exhausted fanboy parents are going to see this as Peterson's stamp of approval and spank or hit their children much more readily. His statement that he believes medicine kills more people than it saves. Irresponsible because there are gullible followers who may not seek medical intervention when they need it. His dream about his Granny's pubic hair in the book Maps of Meaning. WHAT THE FOOK WAS THAT ALL ABOUT. His twitter comment in which he presented himself as an authority on objective standards of beauty for women (and then quit twitter because someone had the gall to call him on it.) His dishonesty and waffling about when he was asked if he believed in Christ/was a Christian. His hypocrisy concerning his own 12 Rules. When life gets hard, take Benzos. His very uneducated stance on climate change. (How arrogant. That's not his area of expertise.) His statement on a BBC channel that racism was not a structural problem in society His statement that there are no reliable chemical means to stop smoking he says, and then immediately brings up the use of magic mushrooms. His deliberate misrepresentation of Bill C-16. He out and out lied about the content/purpose of that bill just to get another 15 minutes of fame. What a despicable man. His arrogance at retranslating the meaning of various Bible stories as though he has a direct line to God--or as though he is God. Next thing he'll do is write a third testament. Wonder what he'll call it. His latest claim is that Putin is attacking Ukraine because he doesn't want the degenerate ideas of the west to infiltrate his country. Yeah, sure, like Putin stands on such high moral ground killing all those civilians with many children among them. Not a complete list of Peterson bullshit by any means. Sorry I just can't respect the arrogance of someone who presents himself as an expert in disciplines for which he has no scholarship-climatology, theology, nutrition, pharmacology, economics,

Yep. If your harmless your useless

Sadly there no longer is a “right”. Everything is a lie these days, everything is wrong.

Bingo!

Here Here!

Well said! Especially that observation of our cowardly guest's inclination

A great comment

@@nicolejegathesan7056 Yeah, just the guest's shirt tells me all I need to know about him, Another weak man, in love with the sound of his own voice...

he is a bit of a soy boy type ... sorry ..... but it is true nonetheless

They weren't poorly articulated at all, maybe you just weren't interested in entertaining any viewpoint that counters your own. The UnHerd audience is just as suceptible to the tribalist lack-of-nuance thinking that David touches on in this interview.

@@j94c not really. I’m not a fan of JP, and only occasionally watch this channel. The guy could not make a complete thought. He kept going into self explanation.

Jordan Peterson is just practicing more about what he has always preached. He often spoke and wrote about having the strength and integrity to challenge authoritarians, now he is just doing it in a challenging and badass way.

So true

Especially if you're Canadian. I am. Have you seen the state of that country right now ? The kind of laws they are trying to pass, the Trudeau government, the worst covid restrictions in western so-called democracies, the sky-rocketing cost of life and absolutely no power fighting back all that crap.. well, I can understand sometimes why he's angry. I know a lot of Canadians who feel that way right now. We feel like we had a great country that is being destroyed right now and there's nothing, absolutely nothing we can do.

Excellent point!

He can be persnickity and unfair I guess. When I responded to one of his entrees that he wholesale bought the Hicks crackpot misinterpretation of Kant's philosophy as non-Enlightenment he personally responded by calling me "an ungrateful little shit!" adding "What books have you written?" After responding that (1) I'd written and published 3 works in philosophical theology and (2) I doubted the author of the remark under his name was really him, (given it was so abruptly crude and judgemental), I received NO RESPONSE.....🤔

Not only that, but the mainstream has done this for decades. Put two opposing views on that seem to represent both sides for the viewer to make an informed decision. This is, of course, not what happens nor is it their real intent. They just want to frame the debate and will not allow views that they want promoted to actually be challenged. Any genuine challenge to the orthodox view will never be shown, this is the very reason that alternative media arose. I would far rather have a single view be fully developed and argued and then I can find the opposing view myself. The responsibility of a citizen is to make their own informed decision and to seek out diverse views and sources of information to do that. Fuller is not advocating that, he wants to frame the debate, just as the MSM that he came from does.

Only that Freddie has his biases as clear as his white shirt: pro Ukr Nazis, pro "intersectional" harmony (radical fems and radical trans should live together in harmony making films for the Reich's culture ministry), anti Russian, etc. The rest is all buffoonery (hands waiving like "look at me how stiff I am") and fashion show

Yes it is extremely patronising to think we are incapable of finding alternative views for ourselves. The mainstream shows us what they want us to believe. Alternative views are exactly that.

It’s the alternative part of ‘alternative media’ that gives you the opportunity to hear the views and arguments being put forward which oppose the narrative being fed to you by the likes of CNN, MSNBC, BBC or here in Australia the ABC.

Agreed. Nevertheless, it would be interesting to hear both views at the same time. The exchange, the conflict even, of ideas is what is so interesting. Maybe that is what Fuller is alluding to. This requires a format where there is enough time for the arguments and counter arguments of both side to be developed. Because of the time limits in MSM, you never get such in depth, prolonged exchanges. But neither will you get this in alternative media, when only one view point is presented at a time.

Agreed. David Fuller is the enemy. Everyone who has done research in what is going on, knows the war on free human beings has already started.

Yes I feel the same way. Ppl like JP, Dave Rubin, Bret W. Joe R have all tried to negotiate between the 2 sides. I think he was right about one thing. Society is in decline. If it comes to tribes I know which side Im on. 😀

Two excellent quotes that sum things up very nicely.

@@blumusik9572 All we really need to understand is that we are being led to the slaughter by a self-appointed, psychopathic, predator class, which is actually pretty small; but also very determined, very powerful and very well coordinated. They've been planning all this for decades. Once enough people recognise where the real cancer is located, in the body politic, it can be excised relatively painlessly. Then we can get on with creating the more beautiful world our hearts know is possible, to quote Charles Eisenstein.

@@gedofgont1006 Well articulated. I wish the Davos types would just disappear.

I feel even stronger about "furries." I refuse to be drawn into their weird fantasy. Sorry, not sorry.

Yes, but then he expects people to grant respect to people's religious fantasies. Blatant double standard. And that's the problem. Peterson is simultaneously inconsistent on how we treat cherished belief AND he's aggressive about it. You guys are letting your biases get in the way same as Peterson. I deplore all irrational belief systems equally, and I understand their necessity equally. Why can't Dr.Peterson do the same?

@@josharmstrong2476 He doesn't expect anything from anyone. It sounds like you are upset with Peterson's work because his thoughts about religion differ from yours.

Jordan Peterson is right wing. Why are you so scared to admit this? Anyone with even the most basic understanding of political leanings can see it. Is right wing a slur bow? Let's just call a spade a spade

@Jane B Robbins Yep

@Jane B Robbins doesn't mean the woke authoritarians and neofascists will not impose their tyranny on everyone, including the majority who are willfully ignorant and go around "not giving a shit". They'll soon be giving an arm and a leg, perhaps a head, certainly their civil liberties, at the alter of the revolution they failed to rally against when there was still time. History rhymes...

@Jane B Robbins well JP is certainly mirroring my outrage and frustration as a woman because I don't think I should have to deal with a 6 foot plus fully biological male with a penis invading my bathroom, my shower and my women's circle just because he decides he is now a woman! JP is mirroring my outrage when I am expected to agree that it is okay for 10 year olds to be given dangerous puberty blockers, 12 year olds to be given cross sex hormones which cause permanaent sterilization and 14 year old girls to have their breasts chopped off! In some states these children do not even need parental consent to have criminal doctors, yes I do mean criminal doctors, ruin their health for life. Thousands of teen girls are now paying the horrific price of the woke gender re-education movement. Being trans has become popular and teen girls are the most vulnerable to the propaganda. Our children are being taught in kindergarden that they can be any gender and sex they want. Gender clinics are springing up everywhere and it has grown into a multimillion dollar industry. I am very very angry about this. Any woman should be. Generations of dedicated women fought hard for women's rights and for girls to feel proud of their own bodies. It is now transphobic to say that men cannot get pregnant. Our newest Supreme Court Justice cannot even define what a woman is! Which means she cannot protect women's rights. We are being erased.

Isn't "wokism" a style of stir frying?

Perfectly put

Tried to give the guy a chance but gotta agree

I think you meant to say Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

@@youlig1 Yes, thank you - I corrected it.

The comments section provides such fascinating insights. It's more interesting than the actual interview. Bravo

Lol 😂

👍👍👍

good luck pursuing the truth with cnn...fox...msnbc... I truly believe JP will pursuit the truth! There are no reason to believe he will not!

Even though I'm definitely considered on the right and worry about the relentless power of the far left, JP still had a wider audience by appearing more neutral on his own channel. It's disappointing seeing him to go to the Daily Wire because many just will never hear him from there. He's keeping his own channel though.