A problem with my Humminguru record cleaner - and an expected ending 

Feel your frustration Frank… especially as it was a gift in the first place. Hope it works out for you, otherwise the company should just send you a new one!!! Keep on washin !!!!

Thank you for describing your journey. Lo and behold, after owning my Humminguru for 6 months and 500 records cleaned it stopped a second or two after starting, having cleaned only one record before. I wrote to customer support. I quickly got a response. They sent instructions and pictures showing me what you actually did. I followed the instructions twisting the 2 black leads for the thermal switch. IT WORKED!!! I am thankful to you (subscribed) and to Humminguru’s customer support. I will return to cleaning my collection. I will wait a day or so before I responds as you had a recurring problem. Thanks so much!!

Old School when vinyl and 8 tracks were your options, cotton balls and rubbing alcohol for your albums and 45s...

I think it's unnecessary to ask people to stick around until the end of the video because your content is great and we wouldn't think otherwise! Awesome vid, Frank

Great video! Thank you, very clear and informative! I'm looking forward to the final reveal...Trick or Treat🎃

Please definitely keep us posted. I’ve had mine for approximately six months as well. I have ran over 500 cycles without any problems. Hopefully I will not have any issues like you. Fingers crossed.

Great video Frank. Here's hoping the new board is a total fix. I'll be watching!!!

Excellent Vid Frank. Very informative....Thanks a bunch...Be safe.

Hi, interesting video. I buy a lot of 2nd hand records and I use the disco-antistat cleaning machine. It is a manual machine , much less expensive than the Hummingbird, but it really works. I was gifted my friends 1960's 45's when she died and I thought I'd try this to get them clean so that I could play them in her memory. It worked a treat and I've used it since on lp's and it works great.

WAIT, toy manufacturer, Hong Kong, China, and you expected this to last? Glad you are getting a replacement.

Great video, Frank. I've been considering getting one of these, and this will be great to keep in mind. I might end up getting a vacuum system instead of an ultrasonic cleaner. Looking forward to hearing how you make out with the new board.

Great helpful video. Thanks!

Hopefully you will be able to fix it, I will stick to my Spin Clean for now, good luck and as always, thanks for the video!

Subscribed! Great vid and looking forward to watching the board replacement video next. One month in I am experiencing positive results with the Humminguru and Tergikleen and then a second cycle with just distilled water.

thank you for documenting your journey with this machine as I had considered this as an option for me. as a blind user, I am not particularly savvy in the realm of taking things apart to diagnose issues like that, so this would unfortunately be a deal breaker for me. I have heard audio examples of ultrasonic vinyl cleaning and someday aspire to get some sort of contraption that will work.

I have had a project record cleaner for several years and was worth every penny. It is loud, but it cleans and simultaneously drys my records in seconds. After using it I’ve never had any issues with static afterwards. If you have lots of vinyl, this is a perfect machine for you.

Hey Frank! Love the content you have been putting out recently. I feel like whenever I have any record questions that I search on RU-vid you are the top result and also my most trusted source as well! Thank you for everything you do for the vinyl community! Also one final question, do you have your collection in discogs? If so was wondering if it was visible to everyone, was wanting to send you something but not it you already have it! Thanks!

Thirty some years ago, I bought a VPI 16.5 cleaning machine. It worked great. 30 years later, it still does. I like most everything about it other than the price.

Man, I really had high hopes the HumminGuru. Such a bummer that you (and others) have had such a hard time with the device. Hopefully you are able to get it resolved. It is good to know that the customer service is easy to work with though. Hope you are doing well, Frank!

Frank: I went with the DIY approach. Purchased a light commercial ultrasonic cleaner, The Vinyl Stack Sonic Spin Kit, and the Record Doctor V vacuum machine. I make my own record cleaning solution, air dry after vacuum, then finish with a Zerostat gun. Super dirty records get a pre-clean ( I like MoFi Super Deep cleaner) then the Ultrasonic bath. The LPs get placed in an anti-static sleeve and after many years, they’re static free and very clean. Sounds like a lot, but it’s a hobby and the results are comparable with those $$$$$ machines. The Record Doctor V does get hot if you’re doing a batch of records, so I asked Santa for a second Record Doctor V and now I can alternate when cleaning more than 5 records. I think many use some of the same steps as I described anyway as part of their cleaning routine. My 2 cents…. Rock On! 🤘

Great video thanks for the info

Good luck....we'll wait for chapter 2. Keep rocking brother 🤘

20 thousand record owner and I've never owned any cleaning machines. My process varies slightly depending on the record condition, but it's simple and cheap. I have too many gadgets as it is

Glad to hear the Co. was responsive with trying a fix, and now they’re sending you a new PCB… Things Happen and I hope it’ll all turn out for the good…. Thanks Frank…..

PSA- kodak advises against using photoflow on vinyl. Triton X-100 from my research is the active ingredient. I haven't tried the humminguru but have a vinyl stack ultrasonic 10L kit. I get great results, can clean 4 at a time. The only negative is the sound. I have to clean across the house from where I'm at and wear headphones when I'm around it.

Well, it's quite something that they let you repair it and even gave you some instructions! Most manufacturers don't want you to repair your stuff these days.

Again Frank thanks for a great video. I've been kind of wanting to buy one but I looked online and everything's in the Hong Kong dollar and custom charges and shipping costs seem to be kind of expensive. I use the Squeaky Clean vinyl cleaner. It's made by a guy named Nick and he also lives in Canada and I've used this system for at least a couple years and I'm very happy with that. Also that was a great video your daughter did on that turntable.

Wow Frank!! What a golden opportunity!! Frank's Humminguru Repair Center!! 🎸🎸🎸

This video has helped me tremendously! I was going to return the Record Doctor X to go with my initial choice, a HummingGuru! But after this video, I guess I’ll keep my damn near $700 (after taxes) RecordDoctor. I wanted ease of use with less steps. But I can’t afford to purchase a device that’s going to fail within months because I’m not interested in doing self maintenance (I used to build computers). After doing the research (and asking on Reddit), I feel like there is no alternative cleaner, well, at least one that isn’t going to cost me thousands. Well, thank you for this video. I guess I’ll figure it out. Be Blessed!

Frank, for close to $500, it should work better than that!! I use the old school brush ( like the one you have) and record cleaning fluid!! That works just fine!!

Any update on how this worked out?

ive recently purchased a vevor ultrasonic on ebay it really works amazingly well.....

I've used the vinyl vac for a couple years, and never have any problems getting records clean. It's also way cheaper than the other options

I’m disappointed to hear about your issues with the HG. I purchased mine during the kickstarter and have only had one issue, which was what you reported with the record not spinning. I used the tool and removed the rollers and used a can of air to blow the rollers clean and have not had an issue since. I also purchased the $20 extras which included extra rollers (which I’ve not had to use) and extra filters which I’ve replaced 2 so far. I typically clean a record while playing one so no over heating issues with the unit for me. Before going through board replacement I would try a can of air on the rollers since it would take less time. Surprised the HG Support team didn’t recommend that first. But in their defense since also do application support, occasionally you get trapped in thinking something is bigger than it really is. Good luck and I hope you are able to correct the issue.

I just ordered the Humminguru but I wish I watched this first!! Doh! Maybe mine will be fine and I could not justify a Degritter

I use a standard 6L ultrasonic cleaner for $80, a rotating electric spindle that holds up to 7 albums and costs about $180 and is mounted on the side of the cleaner and a $30 tube of Tergitol for a grand total of about $300. Been using it for a year and a half and I have cleaned over 3000 records with it. Cheap, efficient and if anything breaks eventually it will be easy to replace. The spindle came with a drying rack. I use warm water and the Surfactant and the rack holds about 30 records while they dry. The spindle kit is readily available on eBay etc. Mine has run for hundreds of hours with zero problems. They come with spacers to separate the records and protect the labels. My records sound better than they ever have. There were thousands of tiny paper shards in the grooves from the paper sleeves that had deteriorated over the years, so small you can barely see them, but they come right off in the Ultrasonic cleaner, which I drain and refill every few batches of records. The Ultrasonic has a heater and a thermostat so you can control the temp. I clean my records at about 35 to 40C. Works like a charm. If a record has finger prints or other sticky stuff then a scrub with a paint edger and warm water before the cleaner loosens the crud. Low price, cleans multiple records at once and great results. I settled on doing 4 at a time so there was a little more space for the water to circulate.

I use a Pro-Ject VC-S and love it. I get great results with it. The only thing I don’t really like about it is that the accessories are on the expensive side.

I appreciate your complete honesty in this video about the situation and how you are giving them every chance to make good first. If this had been me I would have been nervous about doing the self repair work too. I would imagine if you had told them “No. I am not comfortable doing the self repair work", they would have told you to send it to them. I can also see where agreeing to doing the self repair work saves a lot of time and hassle for both of you. I would have made the same decision in the same situation. I have been thinking about getting one of these and I will be interested in seeing how this turns out. I feel confident that that whatever happens the company will make good in the end. I enjoy your channel and I will stay tuned for the next chapter. :) Take care TJ

So far, mine works fine. I use room temp distilled water and no additives. I run a long wash only cycle followed by the long automatic cycle. My records are basically not dirty but this machine does really clean and dry them and there is sonic improvement.

I think a product costing a few hundred dollars that fails after just 5 months should be their problem to replace with a new one that works. I don’t want to spend $3000 for a high quality ultrasonic machine made for records … so for around $1000 I like the quality and long-lasting VPI 16.5 to clean my records. It does a fantastic job! Better than any ultrasonic under 3k in my opinion. I paid only $800 for mine last summer and now I see they are over $1000. They are made in the USA by VPI - a company that knows records and is all about quality. I expect my “tank” to last at least 20 years!

Sound like fun!

I have also the HG from a free weeks ago, and I am really happy with it, but I would like to know how this thread ends. Please keep us informed. Thanks a lot for your nice work

I purchased a HumminGuru cleaner and a Vevor ultra Sonic Cleaner both On Amazon. Used them both and kept the Vevor. In the end I saved about 250.00 returning the Hummin Guru as it did not perform any better than the Vevor to warrent the extra 250 dollars. Plus I can clean 8 albums at a time...

At that point I would ask for a whole new one. Just backed a vinyl sonic Kickstarter, hope it works out

I’ve cleaned a couple hundred records since getting my HG in December, 2021. It replaced a DIY ultrasonic tank system. I actually have genuine questions regarding how well the HG works for the simple reason that I just changed the filter for the first time and it wasn’t really dirty at all. In contrast, the DIY US water would get filthy after a short period, with lots of particulate matter floating around. So it’s quite possible the HG does nothing more than wet the records, with no cavitation at all.

I got one of these HG units via the Kickstarter campaign last year. It definitely works and meets my reasonable level of expectations for a $400 machine. Have had no problems. But I thought that adding anything to the distilled water was supposed to void the warranty. Regarding the temperature switch failure, I've cleaned more than 5 albums In a row. But by the time I check the record for any leftover moisture, sleeve it and pull out the next record to clean, I've never felt that the water that is pumped out into the tank is noticeably any warmer to the touch than the room temp water I had poured in. On a side note...on a couple of instances, I did notice that it had a little trouble with uninterrupted rotation of very thin vinyl pressings (i.e. some (not all) RCA Dynagroove pressings). But that happened in less than 1% of the records I cleaned. Once I re-seated the album a couple of times on the rollers, it began rotating fine.

I use a Nitty Gritty vacuum cleaning machine that I've had at least 20 years and it works great.

I honestly think there will be hiccups with these units as they are a relatively new product I’m sure as time progresses they will become more reliable I myself have just purchased one of these units and only have used a couple of times seems to be ok but I also have a Okki Nokki record cleaner so might just do the Okki Nokki to start and the HumminGuru as a finish clean I was a little confused about why you would keep your distilled water in the fridge but hey each to there own and could be the source of your original problem. Best of luck to you with your repair and hope it works thanks for your video it was very informative

The temp sensor is because the ultrasonic transducers heat the water. After the water becomes too hot it can damage the record or the cleaner itself. So, as a long term repair, bypassing the thermal sensor would seem to be a bad idea. So your using cold water should not have been the problem. Also, when replacing the PCB (printed circuit board), repair the black wires and untwist them. You can fix them with simple electrical tape. Good luck with this. I have a much much more expensive US cleaner that also works well, and has been pretty reliable but I have had to replace the water pump once. Feel your pain.

Do you clean the records with pure water to get rid of the Photo Flo from the surface then? Actually, I thought that it might not matter, however, I read that the surfactant Photo Flo, Tergikleen, Turgitol, etc. must be completely washed off the record and that it leaves a kind of residue.

How did your machine behave when it stopped working? I just encountered a problem with my Humminguru, which became completely unresponsive during a cleaning cycle. None of the lights on the machine is on or blinking, but the green light on the psu is blinking. If I unplug the cable from the machine the light on the psu turns solid green. As you didn't mention how yout machine failed, I was curious if you experienced the same problem as me? I have reached out to customer support and hopefully they will be able to sort out the problem.

Don't know how this compares with a Pro-Ject VC vacuum machine, but I can clean records all the live-long day with mine and it only takes about a minute to do both sides, and it has a whole lot less electronics to fail.

hello, I use mine quite often and my record never looks wet on the top half that's exposed. I notice yours is and others on RU-vid as well. what could be causing this? I also don't really see much activity in the way of bubbles or vibration in the chamber while the machine is active? everything sounds like its working and I've been moderately happy with the results. is this ok or is mine faulty?

Thanks Frank. Hmm... I wonder how it compares to the Degritter. I wish I had the spare money to buy one of those. :)

My HumminGuru dont Dry one of sides from the vinyls! Someone have this problem? How we can fix this?

Hi Frank! Golden Hands!))

I have question for you.. I have quite a few albums still sealed and am putting them in sleeves. but my question is since they are still sealed in shrink wrap should I not worry about sleeves? I know I know why keep them sealed instead of listening to them.. Well thats because I have doubles of many of my records.. So keeping one sealed is option I would like to keep.. Thanks hope you can answer my question.

That is an awful lot of mechanical work on a unit that's only 6 months old and not very heavily used. Best of luck, Frank - you have far more patience than I do!

I’ll be sticking with the tried and true. Water/alcohol and microfiber. Works every time. Always has and always will. 👍

Been using my spin clean for 10 years... no issues.

Here’s the deal. If this thing were built better with quality components and yield consistently good results it could have had a price of $1000. It would have sold. Still no competitor at that price. I sooooo wanted one but waited.

Glad you said add sulfactent technomoan says not but water surface tension is just to much other wise

Dang. Looks like I’m gonna pass on this for now. Can’t wait for your update!

I would never bypass the thermal switch, I have the degritter and the water does get pretty warm, thankfully the degritter has an auto-cooldown feature that will pause the cycle and cool the water, it also does that after the cycle. Did 15 consecutive runs - zero issues.

I hope they do a more powerful v2 which solves the issues people have, it must be possible to make a good ultrasound rcm cheaper than degritter

HumminGuru, is it you? HumminGuru, is it you? Sitting there blowing out hot air....

Hi Frank, do they know you have this channel and put this on here at RU-vid?

99% of my vinyls collection is still sealed / mint or unplayed. So my question is : is it worth the price to clean 'new' vinyls as the power is only 20hz I think. Is it enough ? Thanks for the reply. Best.

I was interrested in this machine but I found Squeaky Clean Vinyl MK-III RCM 3D Printed Record Cleaner was a better fit to replace my Spin Clean. Plus its made in Canada!! :)

Hi. I participate in the kickstarter campaign and I got my device in Chile. It worked as expected for many months but now the records does nit rotate (any record). Sometimes in the past one or two did not rotate but now the issue is with all of them. The machine seems to operate as I can see the bubles in the water as well as the typical sound on operation. I did change the rotation wheels to see if that was the issue but it did not work. I will contact the company.

I almost backed this project but figured that there might be a chance that I would have to pay duty & customs on top of the purchase price. I'm glad I didn't backed the project and went a different route. It is easy enough to buy a cheap 6 liter ultrasonic cleaner off Amazon. With a little bit of DIY you can build a record holder driven buy a motor to slowly spin the record in the tank. Works great. I'm just amazed how expensive products like the degritter are. In the end ultrasonic cleaning machines are not rocket science. They are all a bit overpriced in my opinion.

Hey everyone! I just wanted to share my experience with the HumminGuru record cleaner that I purchased from Amazon in the USA. After cleaning around 3000 records, I can confidently say that this machine is fantastic! It has been incredibly effective in removing dirt, dust, and grime from my vinyl collection, leaving them sounding cleaner and more enjoyable to listen to. One of the standout features of the HumminGuru record cleaner is its reliability. Throughout the entire cleaning process, I didn't encounter any issues or malfunctions. The machine operated smoothly and efficiently, making the cleaning process a breeze. The build quality of the HumminGuru record cleaner is also impressive. It feels sturdy and well-made, ensuring durability for long-term use. The design is sleek and compact, making it easy to store and transport if needed. Another aspect worth mentioning is the ease of use. The instructions provided were clear and straightforward, allowing me to set up and start cleaning my records without any hassle. The cleaning process itself was quick, and I appreciated the automatic features that made it even more convenient. Overall, I highly recommend the HumminGuru record cleaner to any vinyl enthusiasts out there. It's reliable, effective, and user-friendly, making it a valuable addition to any record cleaning routine. Feel free to ask me any questions about my experience with the machine! Link Here!! www.amazon.com/HumminGuru-Ultrasonic-Cleaner-Professional-Cleaning-Warranty/dp/B0BHSFHGF4?maas=maas_adg_8B84F70DBC077665A6C7F923C20D0640_afap_abs&ref_=aa_maas&tag=maas

At least they did respond to you. Classic - shorting out the switch. Basically, the switch will always remain closed....apparently normal operation is when things got too hot or too cold - the switch opens...until the temperature equalizes and then the switch closes. For now, their fix is to have it remain closed. So the wires do not come apart , you might want to get some electrical tape and place it around the "twist". Also, you may want to do this so the bare wire "twist" does not come in contact with any other metal (if it does, this is known as a "short"). In the meantime, I recommend the Ronco Record Cleaner....just kidding....there actually was a device once advertised like this in the late 70's-early 80's.....and it kind of works like your Hummingthingy......

It's not often these days that a company recommends, let alone aids in self repairs. very interesting.

I recently had hundreds and hundreds of records to clean before selling them and I used my Spin Clean for that where I could knock off 40 or so a day in a couple hours. These ultra cleaners go so slooooow that it’s just unusable for any serious cleaning. Now I spin them a few times both ways, let drip in a dishrack then lay on a towel and finish drying with microfiber cloths and it’s done.

I hope everything works out for you. But I think I'm going to stick with my VPI record cleaning machine.

Hey, Frank if you want to save a little money, use Jet Dry...Same thing, and a lot cheaper...

"Don't clean more than 5 records?" Are they serious? This would be a major deal breaker for me. Imagine spending $650 CAD yourself and then having this issue. And are you not worried that the tank might leak and damage your guitar amplifier?

Could the issue be not just water is too cold but also adding surfactant?

About 3-1/2 years ago I got the Project Vc-s record cleaning machine I loved it but after 4 month it sounded louder than a jet taking off!! So I emailed the company and they told me to send it back and they gave me an upgrade the VC-e machine. This machine was a lot smaller there were a lot of things I liked & didn't like about it. I liked it because it was smaller, But, the record hangs off the side & the drain hole is directly under the record so when you clean one side then flip it over to clean the other side the side you just cleaned is all wet?? Granted they give you a plastic flex disk to put underneath the record, I bought this because it grabs only on the label which is what I like. Well 1 year later again this new upgrade is sounding like the old one. Again I wrote to the company & they told me to send it back & they gave me a new one. So the new machine instruction's say to run the vacuum 15-40 seconds after you're done to ensure all the water is off the motor because it will Rust. To solve 1 problem I put some Rust-Oleum down the hole where the fluid goes & ran the machine for 30 seconds to move the paint around. I don't do a 2nd rinsing when I'm done with just reverse osmosis water anymore (I think that was the culprit!) I just let the machine spin in both directions for 8-10 times. I also have an ultrasonic machine that I clean up to about 4 record at a clip and that seems to work better than the project machine that I'm using but I love them both . I just don't know why they don't get it right??? It's hard to chose the project is quicker but you can only do 1 record at a time & the ultrasonic machine you can do up to 6-7 records (I do only 4 more space between the records) & takes a bit longer depends on how long you put it in there for + your drying time. I just think the whole vinyl crave thing that has been going on the last couple years everybody want's to jump in on the Clean you records bandwagon to make a few bucks!! For my Project machine I use reverse osmosis water mixing it with L'art du son & for the ultrasonic machine I use reverse osmosis water &a cap full of photo flow That is all in my humble opinion.

6:40 so basically you just short circuited the sensor. I'm not having good luck with my HumminGuru and older records at all. Newer records, under 10-20 years is usually no problem. I bought 1970s version of "Fly Like an Eagle" and "Rumors." Cleaned them both multiple times on the long clean and dry with the HumminGuru Anti-Static Vinyl Record Cleaning Agent. The records look very clean and nearly new now, but they still have cracking and popping noises all over the place. Filters are clean as well. Also, whenever I look at the water tank, it's basically the same as when I put it in there. I'm using fresh distilled water, 3 drops of the cleaning agent. Even did 2 long wet clean cycles, followed by a long wet clean and dry combo cycle. I can't afford a degritter and was hoping this would have been the solution.

You mentioned static. I have always been taught that if you open up a PC or equivalent then you need to wear an anti-static wristband to dissipate any static in your body which could damage sensitive components.

Typically I use a soft, non-abrasive cleaning cloth and 91% isopropyl alcohol to clean my albums and 45s… although I occasionally use a record brush to clean and dust off my records.

Hello Frank ! Cleaning machines/methods is a jungle. If you have bad luck , even with a high ranked machine , you might get what we in Sweden call a ”Monday-version”. I’ll just stick with the ultra slow and tedious process of hand cleaning the oldfashioned way.

Guess I'll stick with my $3 homemade vinyl vac knockoff. Labor intensive compared to an auto machine, but works well and does the job every time.

I've been waiting for the next generation of the Humminguru or at least several more production years. New electronic product always hits the market buggy. Look at the Xboxes for example.

You're being a lot more kind than I would. Put a new board in? Think I'm the Maytag man?

A company that size is going to nickel and dime you to death with sending you parts?? Never understood why they stooped to a kickstarter campaign to begin with. I admire your patience. Although I do not have it the Kirmuss machine also is sensitive to heat generation. I just cannot rationalize coughing up $3k plus for the Degritter. Maybe someday. First time to comment, but always enjoy the vids.

Is that a 6505 guitar head next to the cleaning machine?

Why is the Degritter $3k? Is it made of gold? A decent ultrasonic cleaner is like $100.

Definitely do not use cold water straight out of the fridge.. Room temperature distilled water only. Warm water would be better, but not over 95°. Hopefully the PCB sets you straight though. At least it was a gift and you're not really out any money. 👍

that's a shame , mine has never missed a beat great machine i also use 1 drop of G-Sonic Ultrasonic Concentrate , mine is the (Mk2) second batch. least the CS is good i guess 🥴

I'm sorry but for a machine you pay that much and they have all these restrictions not worth it but another great video and thank you keep us informed keep on spinning 🤘😛

Rubbing alcohol is corrosive to vinyl. Need to water it down. You still gotta make sure there’s no dust or your gonna get sludge in the grooves. The Humming guru doesn’t even get into those grooves coz the sonic bubbles are too large. It a cheap pretty useless machine but it does look good. In between that and a Degritter is the Knosti Ultrasonic. I’ve just cleaned 250+ flood damaged vinyl records with the Knosti over the course of two weeks @ 30 records per session (you trade auto drying for the price). The few I’ve tested look and play like new and I’m talking about records where you could see the mud lines, had paper bits from the labels stuck to them and attracted flies from the stench. So that’s my recommendation. Although if I were Elon Musk I’d have gone with an Audio Desk System X. Actually if I were as wealthy as Elon I would have bought two!

I can hardly wait to see how this story ends. Thanks Frank.

the only ultrasonic record cleaner I would invest in would be the degritter!

As I watch your video, I can visually see you are not using enough surfactant. Water should not bead, streak or appear inconsistent on the record, but instead should appear as an even coating across the entire surface. I use hepistat which also acts as a deionizer and I have zero static after washings. Even after storing in poly, I’ve pulled washed records out and the static is well controlled. Good luck with the new board.

Ultrasonic cleaners do work but I don't use one anymore. I have a different manual method that is so much faster and just as good . One of the most important things to use regardless of cleaning methods.. next to how you 'clean' the record is the surfactant. One can make the best surfactant for pennies to the gallon and the product to use is found in any hardward or grocery store. I'm not going to give the item away as it's my trade secret. If you educate yourself about surfactants you can figure something out instead of the expensive chemical photoflo .

Ultrasonic cleaners work best at warmer temperatures. I built a DIY cleaner and clean my records at 50ºC for 30 min.

Frank can you give me your best estimate of just how many records you cleaned before things went downhill?