The poor guy who misclicked Book of Moon appears to not even speak english that well, feel even worse for him now as he's trying very hard to express "it was a mistake leave me alone"
a mistake he knows how to play the game and calls what he did a mistake dude if your gonna call for re-do ' s and mistakes then don't play then game because that's considered cheating
+Falco Windrider if you misplay on dn like activate a trap rather then set it thats fine dn has horrible history with misclicking lagging etc but to flip a card thats set and call it a mistake is not an accident
+Ben Earl no. it could possibly be ruled a misplay if that card had some kind of effect, but in this case book of moon did absolutely nothing, so it was clear as day it was a simple misclick. plus he put the card back face down so fast it too. the funny thing is, the QKT guy should have been happy with getting to see what his opponents backrow was for free, but instead he tried to shark and got banned. you are allowed to make mistakes, so long as they could not somehow be seen as an attempt to cheat. flipping book did absolutely nothing but waste itself lol, why on earth would anyone intentionally do that? if u want to be SUPER technical, a card is not truely activated unless the player says the activate it in chat. but since this is an online version of the game without voice, thats virtually impossible to enforce.
Its people like him who ruin the game for me. I remember I played someone at locals and I'm not really one to judge but he was a bit of a noob. But he summoned an Ancient Gear Beast and immediately rushed into his Battle Phase. I told him to wait because I had a response to its summon, which was Bottomless Trap Hole. He then started to ruleshark me and tell me that I couldn't because of Ancient Gear Beasts effect (When it attacks, your opponent cannot activate spell/trap cards until the end of the damage step). I proceeded to tell him that he rushed into battle without giving me time to respond. To which he replied, "Well sorry but next time don't waste time." Yeah because 0.5 seconds is plenty of time to respond. Fucking rulesharking asshole!
+Mad Mothz That's not rulesharking that is him skipping your responses, next time call a judge and say that the guy skipped my responses and I had a response, and is trying to proceed to battle-phase to attack when he gave me no time.
I've missed click things before especially since I duel a lot using my android tablet . I think the guy that got himself banned should have just let it go
Yep but I think the reason he wasn't letting it go is because he's in a bad position in the duel with no cards in hand and only 1 backrow and he doesn't want to take that L lol
Wow. It's called a misclick. I would understand QK if book of moon was face-up for ten, maybe twenty, seconds and then it was flipped back. But it was flipped for 1 second. Well within the boundaries of a misclick. (Mods look at the time between clicks. If it's less than 5 seconds, then it counts as an accident.) It's easy to misclick when you know you have two certain cards face down and get them confused on which one is which and want to make a prompt reaction. This is especially true when your opponent doesn't even stop to wait for your responses.
QKforever is right in this case. O’Mailey was acting entitled and compromised his authority by continuously spamming his ruling and trying to enforce it when the appellate judge was in the duel. QK’s ban was wrongful. Furthermore, the guy who posted this video should of not gotten involved as he had no right to do so and only made the issue worse.
I've had it happen to, I've also had it happen in real life. I accidentally played a card that I mistaken it for a different card and the guy I faced was okay with it even though the others around him weren't. But honestly, it's really annoying to see people who just ruleshark the game. This even happens at my locals. For instance, I remember a time I was playing Macro and I forgot about my D.D. Survivor on my opponent's Draw Phase, I personally asked him if I could summon him despite the ruling and he flips out and said I lose for simply asking. Even though, I've done this in the past and I personally ask people and they've allowed it with no concern.
I don't care what anyone says: it was a misclick, and it is possible, END OF STORY. Kira's mouse could've easily been one of those "click touch" mouse pads, one of which I have on my own laptop. He could've been checking his backrows to see which to respond with, and the computer would've clicked activate by mistake. It's happened to me, and it happens to everyone, whether you're a "noob" or not. What kind of moron would be stupid enough to chain Book of Moon to Torrential Tribute on purpose, to begin with? On top of it all, QK insulted the admin, which is what made the decision to ban his ass, and his bitch ass can stay banned.
This is a natural part of how competitive games work. In chess for instance the moment you touch a piece you are FORCED TO MOVE THAT PIECE. The only exception is if it was a clear accidient (ie you knocked the piece over) or if the piece cannot legally move.
A while ago I was playing Dueling Network with someone in an unrated game, I was using my stalling deck and he was using spellcaster, so we're playing having fun and he suddenly tributes 1 monster for a dark magician. So I let him know you need two tributes for him, trying to be nice and let him know he made a simple mistake, but he was telling me he needed 1 tribute, the card he tributed didn't have an effect that let's it be treated like two tributes, then he started going on how he's played this game for awhile and how his friend is a pro duelist that's been to tournaments and has his own RU-vid channel, blah, blah,blah. I was just trying to let him know dark magician needs two tributes to be summoned, its been that way for years, but he just got mad at me and started spamming the coin toss button over and over trying to get me to quit or make me think I'm wrong. So then I just sat there for awhile until his temper tantrum was over, telling me how his friends a pro and he been playing Yu-Gi-Oh for years and to check out his channel. So my curiosity got the better of me so I looked his friend up on RU-vid. Then I discovered that they were just kids like 10 years old, so I told him that he was just a kid and I've been playing the game since I was his age and knew what I was doing. I know it was a dick thing to say but the kid was sort of getting on my nerves. Then he just kept spamming that button for at least an hour or two trying to get me to leave, then he just went and quit in the end. I was just trying to have fun and let him know it was a simple mistake, but he had to go and think I was being offensive to him for not summoning Dark Magician correctly. Its times like this is when I realize that people take this game too seriously, its a game for kids, but us young adults, who have been following it since the beginning, we just play it for fun and a little bit of competition. Its just a game, why do you have to be mad?
the point of having own necrovalley is to have royal tribute advantage, because you can't activate royal tribute if there is not a necrovalley on your side of the field
ah 2011, the year I took yugioh a little more seriously and learned the rules; also the year I got my first synchro monster, Gaia Knight the Force of Earth, who would start my 10 year long mission of assembling a Gaia Knight deck.
This isn't so much a ruling issue as it was a sportsmanship issue. Generally, if your opponent missplays but then immediately retracts what they do, it's generally accepted to let it slide - Yu-Gi-Oh has no rulings regarding this. However, some people play by a "one-touch rule" similar to that of Chess. This is a "house rule" that both players have to agree on and not an actual part of the game. Heck, even in Chess, "one-touch" is a house rule.
***** There's still technically a difference even if it's treated the same. When you're rulesharking, you're trying to exploit outdated or poorly written effect text or rules by interpreting them in a way that isn't intended but seems logical to an unskilled opponent. A common example is saying that MST negates its target, even though it's commonly known that it doesn't. Being a bad sportsman is a much broader offense that, in its extremes, includes rulesharking and outright blatent cheating, but also trash talking opponents before, during or after a match (unless both parties know it's in jest), ragequitting and stalling by not making any plays for an inconvenient amount of time.
So I'm guessing you haven't been playing Yugioh for long huh? because last time I checked ALL cards have either mandatory effects or voluntary effects and the MOMENT this guy flipped Book of moon face up even for a second! the effect goes off and now it's madatory for you to HAVE TO play it, it's seriously Yugioh 101 if people don't seem to get that and prefer to just call somome a rule shark just because you're a scrub and don't understand the rules then don't even bother playing yugioh in the first place. seriously, that shit is annoying.
+Still Waiting. Alright... I was going to respond to your comment with a long explanation of my position AND a request that you prove that it's a rule, but because RU-vid decided to be a piece of shit and time out my connection, I'm just going to say this: I've more often than not had other players ask me for a take back (or just try to take the move back in general), and as long as play didn't proceed past that point, I let them. There's two reasons why I do this: 1. I'd rather play a good match where my opponent had to take back a move, even if I lose, than win because I forced my opponent to play off of their mistake, and 2. It prevents drama like what's seen in this video. Now, I can understand you insisting on the "one touch" rule, but think about why you do so. Are you enforcing the rule because you want to keep your opponent from cheating if in the off chance he actually intended to use that card and then changed his mind later on, or is it because you can take advantage of a mistake and win?
I've never played this game before, nor do I understand the complexities of the rules, so my opinion is an uninformed one... The way we should interpret this and any game is we should respect how the irl card game plays out. In real life, are you allowed to accidentally flip a card, declare it an accident, then flip it back? If so, then there's nothing wrong with his misclick. If not, then he should have played it and learned from his mistake. However, the moment the moderator said "I rule it a misclick, continue with your duel." then all the rules went out the window, and the both of you shut up and continue with the game! An official's last words is final. Sure he's entitled to a second opinion, all people are in anything, but he went wrong in both threatening and belittling him. Grow up, dude. You can agree to disagree and play on. Although hardly comparable, in other card games like Poker, when you show a card in official tournaments or otherwise, then you must still play the card. It may have been a misclick, so he needs to avoid situations like this in the future by actively not clicking unless you intend to. Perhaps someone can elaborate on the official rules?
rules state that if you don't hold a card with your fingers/hands it is played, if you chose to show a card to your opponent it's somewhat a taunt. So this is undefined. If he dropped the card and didn't hold it, then it's played BUT if he just fliped it then it's not really played though if this happened to me IRL I'd call the judge also.
The thing is is that it's not possible to accidentally play a card in real life. The difference here is that you're clicking on cards quickly sometimes without thinking whereas you can take your time in a real life game.
Camero56 but you have to move the piece. Yugioh is less strict- if you don’t let go of the card you can do whatever you want. I personally don’t shark in either case unless my opponent has sharked me because I’m there to play a good game and have fun.
if i remember correctly you are not able to see your face down cards without playing them/grave/adding to your hand, right? He simply forgot the placement. am i right about the face down cards in dueling network?
Imagine if one of those who think the game is childish and all players are immature nerds sees this... The game was made for kids, but we play it just for fun, that's why it's okay, but taking it seriously is NOT okay! I once won a duel only to find out later that I had two Earthbound Immortals while I'm not supposed to, and the other player accepted my apology with a lol, because he didn't notice that too. Why can't people just have fun instead of making me sick of this game?!
Charles L I know it hurts to lose in a game that you think you're very good at, but even the best players lose sometimes, especially in a free match. Even if this was a tournament, he shouldn't have made a big deal and argued with the judge.
in no way shape or for was this game made for kids it's WAY too many rules and regulations and people who have been playing for years have trouble with ruling some times it's too strategic and advanced and kids always misplay because they do a move they thought was correct but by the rule book wasn't like chaining MST to ring of destruction simple shit like that
Donovan Hall No, the game was originally made for kids and teenagers, it was very simple in the past, but it seems like the old fans grew up and so there are a lot of adults playing the game nowadays, so they had to make it more complicated and strategic to fit with all fans.
if you read the chat Kira says "chain" as in book of Moon Chained meaning he used it, you can't say you Chained book of Moon then flip it back over and say my bad wrong card, he said himself he used it then changed his mind and said "mi bad"
to be fair... he says chain after he has already fliped book on moon back over, activated compulse, and sent compulse to grave... so... in what way does that implicate chaining book?
I don't understand why people don't use YuGiOh-PRO as a base for dueling. It's more sophisticated and you really can't "cheat" because of an automated chain system.
Actually you can cheat on YGOPRO it's very easy to do. I've had for months and I've had constant problems with people pendulum summoning multiple times in one turn, normal summoning in multiple times in 1 turn, pend. summoning without a scale, illegally activating cards, inventing their own card effects, illegally summoning monsters, top decking and the most recent offense, forcing, me to lose. I find that last one odd because the first time it happened, I was told that I lost by the effect of Broww, which is obviously odd. The next several times it said this "You Lose ?????" meaning the game has no idea how I lost, but I still lost even if I haven't lost any LP and still have a full deck. Auto chain system or not, it's just as easy to cheat on YGOPRO, as it is on Dueling Network. Oh. Another thing I forgot to bring up. People have a tendency to have multiple copies of all cards in their decks, even banned ones, for instance, just today I went against a guy online on YGOPRO, and he was running 15 constructs in his deck. That doesn't sound legal to me.
i have tried and failed to download it sereval times. i liked dn(i use deuling nexus now) becuase it was broswer based, and becuase you can do things you can't do in automated games, like have 1 lp games. plus, dn was more socail
Alkatsojo it's because of the very same automatic system that people don't use it because people will sometimes get so used to the thing being automatically done that they won't realize when it is supposed to actually happen irl Now sure that is something that is rare but still it has happened because of some people who are using it so much they actually mis play things because they don't realize when to use it and I know I just repeated what I said before but I don't thing I worded it right so I would re word it here to explain it, It doesn't happen often but there are people who are play mainly online to test their decks before ever using them irl and because of automatic systems they just become dependent if they use it too much Sorry for basically just rephrasing it so much just wanted to be as clear as possible
Seeing as DN works exactly like a dueling tournament, I'd love to see QK try to argue with an actual Konami judge. Let's see him try to pull off "I'm entitled to a second opinion" then. I wonder if this would've played out differently if a head admin came in to solve this problem.
But it required him to draw more than the amount he had left, and the rules state that you lose if you can't draw the amount required by the card effect.
A classic case of someone being right (in my opinion) but being way to much of a jerk about it, again, I think the card should be played but in this case I would have just let it go.
The difference between: 1) controlling a field spell and activating a new field spell. 2) opponent controlling a field spell and you activating a new field spell 1) Yours has to go to the yard first, then the new one is placed. Brief moment when there is no active field spell. Killing Commandant. 2) Yours hits the field --> both field spells are on the field at the same time --> enemy's field spell goes to the yard. No idea how important it is to a GK mirror match, but that could be why.
This is why I hate DN The admins are nothing but scrubs who ban people for no reason. Apparently if you type in caps its spamming. That's why I like Devpro and YGOPRO better everything is done automated and faster.
Latrell shanyvason AHEM. How is give me one argument as to why that ban was for no reason. I like Devpro more than DN too, but that has nothing to do with anything. Also Caps are not considered spamming. It's just that sometimes people might type multiple (4-5+) of the same character one after another. And what do you take more to account? Caps or not?
Everyone involved in this acts so childish, it's crazy. QK is out of line towards the end, but he's ultimately right about the play. Blue flipped the card, mistake or not it should stand. Yes, mistakes happen, especially in a manual game like this, but it doesn't mean he can just undo it when it has already affected the game. Maybe QK should have just played on with the bad call, but he's justified in asking for a second opinion. The moderator is obviously a power-tripping child though, he can't stand that his authority is questioned. Regardless of his call, he should allow the second moderator to do his job and form a ruling, instead he just spams his verdict, which immediately invalidates the process of a second opinion. The person who uploaded this acts childish as well, messaging the moderator and inserting himself into the situation is out of line. Let the moderators do their job.
Well said. I especially agree about him messaging the moderator. If anything, he should have just said the facts--i.e., that he flipped it back over immediately. Instead, he tries to read the other guy's mind by calling him a ruleshark. And I can't stand moderators that let their being a moderator go to their head.
It's the same in real life, If you accidentally flip something over, say mst, If your opponent pendulum summons 3, and you flip mst instead of strike, aslong as you don't target anything with mst, you can take it back as it was accidentally flipped, Humans are... humans, they make mistakes.
Also I love how kira is like: Ammm I don't speak spanish, what's going on??? And then he just stopped replying and just started watching. I'm Kira in this duel named life.
5:14 It didnt show that the admin was called by either of the players but an admin was still summoned to the duel? Was an admin actually responding to a pm ruling request? Didnt know they were supposed to do that
it's the simple fact that the kid played an illegal move for the game. you can not use 1 monster to summon the Egyptian god cards; which but the way depending on the version used are tourney banned if I have that right.
Maybe it's because I'm a MTG player, but I agree with QKForever and think that the moderator was a dick abusing his power for not letting him get a second opinion. And the two cards weren't even right next to one another. And I think it's sort of messed up for you to try and sway the moderator. You don't know the intentions of the either player, yet you assume one is a ruleshark and the other is made an accident.
Chris caballero I guess it really depends on if anything is at stake in these matches. If nothing is at stake, then it wouldn't mind. Also, there's a fine line between a misclick and a misplay. I just think it's generally better to play strictly, otherwise things have a tenancy to devolve. That's what I like MTGO. Once a mistake is made, nothing can be done about it and both parties simply have to move on, no questions asked.
Except no one is retarded enough to use book of moon and torrential in this scenario. A misplay is far different from a missclick. And that wasn't a misplay. He had it up for like a second. I'll agree with the admin.
it was clearly a mistake flipping book does not change the game state till he actually targets something/puts it in hand he fliped it up then down the game state was not changed
does not matter to me whether its an accident or not when im playing magic and a player messes the stack up or does something out of sequence or lets a lapsing trigger happen i call judge asap.
I think he wasn't being a jerk. He was correct you miss play to bad make sure you pay attention. Its not like he messed up the buttons or something. He knew what the card was an h activated it so he can't take it back.
Damone Stephens It's totally possible. You select the wrong option, the mouse is too sensitive, etc. There's a number of reasons as to how you can misclick.
TallMist there are way to miss click but this is different. He was going to activate a card. So he saw what card he was going to activate. When you hover over a card it showz you. So he must have seen he was going to activate that. I think he wanted to activate that card but realized he had another option and switched
One thing that I find useful (both irl and on DN) is to ask what my opponent prefers before the match, one-touch or casual, so I'm prepared for rulesharking
The reason it matters who controls Necrovalley is because of cards like Royal Tribute that specify that you must control Necrovalley in order to activate it. Also, the only time a judge might call you on flipping the wrong card is at the national level or top 16 at regionals. Even then it would result in a warning to BOTH players as rule sharking is against the rules and is a method used to stall for time.
Am i being a ruleshark if i do these 1: guy chains my magic cylinder with raigeki break and i don't let it go for some time before lettin it slide(ps. he said it negates magic cylinder)it doesnt 2:i get in a debate upon wheather i taxed him 500 on his and my turns with solar flare dragon, let it go, then finish the game with backfire. I just need to know cause i was kindof mad but didn't want to make it a big issue.
Even if he chained compulse to book wouldn't book have missed timing? If you get what I'm saying. I mean either way Kira was getting the card back to hand.
Exodia's win condition applies after any chain link is resolved. So if you only have 2 cards in your deck, and one of them is an Exodia piece, i.e. run into Morphing Jar and have to draw 5. You draw into Exodia and you don't have any more cards in your deck as you need to draw more, since Exodia only applies after chain links resolve and Morphing Jar hasn't finished resolving its effect, you would lose to Deck Out.
Necrovalley has a continuous effect giving all Gravekeepers +500 ATK. Since bottomless activates and targets the monster after it hits the field Necrovalleys boost was in effect, thus making Recruiter 1700 atk, which allows Bottomless to target it.
He flip book of moon for two mississipis , so i guess he misplay the move , and no misclick Anyway because DN is a competitive duel for the ranking, same if he misclick the OKforever is right.
Mystical space typhoon negated by Solemn warning??!? Where was the summon there? Solemn warning only negates summons or a card that have the effect to summon...
I guess because of one thing: You can chain Compulsory to Book of Moon. And because Compulsory resolves first, the Book wouldn't have a target, and misses the timing. Thus ending into the graveyard. I guess the Red tried to ruleshark because of this, making Blue to lose one way of defense, even though Blue misclicked.
IRL I always miss my cards and flips the one I dont want to or activating and then realizing I can't. My opponent laughs and says "whatever dude, doesnt matter, happens to me always" and we proceed to duel.
Why they want to fight over Necrovalley: Maybe it's because they can kill on-field Commandant more easily if they have Necrovalley up, and they activate another copy of it. Due to the way the mechanics work, if you activate a second one while one is active, the first goes to the yard, then the second hits the field spell zone. There is a brief moment where there is "no field spell" And this would kill Commandant. Idk how important this little tidbit is to a GK mirror match though...
Basically, playing so close to the rules that you specifically look for cases to jump your opponent and request a severe punishment for not obeying. In this case, the guy clicked on Book of Moon by mistake, flipped it back down as if it was never activated, and the opponent was a total jerk about it anyway despite having a considerable advantage knowing what the card was. You can argue the initial dispute either way, but the opponent really needed to let it go once the mod gave his ruling.
This is an old video so you probably know this, but the controller of necrovalley is the only one that can use royal tribute. That might be why they're fighting over it
the card was flipped, it was in play. Misclick? That magic card was at least 2 spaces away from the trap he wanted to play. If it was accidental, okay; send it to the graveyard regardless. This play is like getting 21 in blackjack against the dealer and saying "oh i didn't mean to say hit me that time, it was a misplay!"
It's not quite the second he draws into Exodia he wins. Exodia's win condition applies after any current chain link resolves at the time you draw into him. Since the card played made him draw cards more than he had in the deck, and the effect hasn't finished resolving, the Exodia player would lose to a deck out. Exodia's Win Condition doesn't activate until any current chain links resolve.
competitive vs casual is the issue here playing cards is a choice and i think that once a card has been played that's it final end of you played it and it's too bad. If it's ranked then it counts if it's not ranked then it should not matter
