A Song of Ice and Fire: The Littlefinger Debt Scheme Part 3 

She swallowed tyrion's bat.

i don't understand what's wrong with that line?

@@Tengokuchi she's a Whent on her mother's side.

@@sumanthhebbar no she's a Tyrell on her mother's side. What r u talking aboot?

@@saqlainalvi5485 The Starks are not related to the Tyrells in recent memory, and there's no noted marriage between the two houses that I'm aware of.

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Always knew Pharaoh was Jewish.

@@sataridis DNA test?

@@DrDoom-yf2qj not in the Middle Ages, no siree

+Neon Markov But what could they do about it?

Badjoke Maker Idk maybe start a revolution. I don't think Lord Baelish has a whole lot of troops to defend himself from about all of the powerful houses in the Vale (except for House Arryn ofc)

Neon Markov But who could lead it? The houses are bonded to Lysa by honor and everyone makes fun about the pseudo arryns left who are just merchants. They could kill baelish. And then? Putting Lysa in a cell saying she is crazy? Okay but who will look after the heir Robin? The houses would start to fight over him.

Badjoke Maker I guess they would decide on a leader, or go into a complete civil war, idk

A civil war where any side Needs the throne to enforce new Claims. Arryn stands for old andal Tradition and Baelish is someone Robert and Joffrey trusted. So who could think he had a Chance of winning. Why would they decide on a new leader. Littlefinger showed how to Play them. Without Robin no peace. Without marrying him with some daughter no new dynasty. Or you would have to use Harry the Heir. All of that is pretty risky just to be pissed of about Lysa marrying Littlefinger.

Its just that Ned was left bleeding to death in the mud. Littlefinger didn't need to save him. He could have easily let him die and let war between the Lannister and Starks rage.

He really wasn´t bleeding to death. His leg was terribly broken, yes. That kind of injury untreated could lead to death, yes. But he was found holding the body of Jory Cassel, so he was still conscious and able to do so. The goldcloakes eventually took him to Maester Pycelle but to say Littlefinger saved his life would be exaggerated. I think there were enough people in King´s Landing that could have taken Ned Stark, one of the most important and powerful Lords in Westeros, to a Maester... Littlefinger just happened to be the first one. Also it is stated that Ned isn´t thankful in any way but disgusted that Baelish rode off so quickly so I don´t think his actions were a big deal.

Preston Jacobs Additionally I must say although I disagree with you in that one point I really enjoy your videos and I´m looking forward to part 4

Its just that the bone was sticking out of his leg. Now, sure, maybe a random would have found him, but it seemed pretty grim to me. Maybe a random person would have found him anyway. Hard to say. Ice and Fire medical advances are bit crazy. Vargo Hoat dies from a bite to the ear, but Ned survives a massively broken leg. Oh well. :)

Preston Jacobs I guess it´s all about the treatment you receive. Any wound can get infected very fast but biting wounds are super nasty because of the mouth´s bacteria. Legend says there once was a viking leader who beheaded his fierce enemy on the battle field. To show off his victory he took the head by the hair and violently swung it around. The dead man´s teeth however hit the victor´s leg and he died shortly after because of a nasty infection. The fact that anyone can die so easily makes it so fascinating for me when someone like Doran or Littlefinger actually makes plans that can take decades to succeed. All it takes is one little bite and everything is ruined :P

Basically, in this video he answers the question, if Baelish isn't doing all this for Stannis, Renly, the Tyrells, the Lannisters, etc., then to whom does he want to offer his allegiance. Preston's answer is "It's Sansa Stark, and Petyr Baelish will make her a Queen. A Queen for him"

@@thisisfine6451 I'm certain Petyr worked for Renly before his death though, so he couldn't have planned this 1/5 way into the War.

He could stop the south from interfering with Sansa reclaiming the north. If she did, he could wash over southern westeros easily if the golden company and dorne weren't there. And if for some reason Dany and Co landed in the north he would be surrounded by valyrians and dornishmen. Talk about serious speculation. . Haha

I like this more than the “needed a high enough status to marry lysa”.

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I do think you're right - then refering to different women. The maid of winter sounds like an Other to me. But, I can see Littlefinger's interpretation making Sansa it for all of them.

Preston Jacobs Preston do we know what color jeyne westerlings hair is? Robs bride that is, don't know if I spelled the name correctly. I believe she could be the younger queen of Cersies prophecy. Just something I've been toying with.

ThaGnome70065 I just looked it up and she has chestnut(brown) hair, brown eyes and a heart shaped face.

Preston Jacobs This song is so interesting in so many ways. I like how the seasons are connected not only to hair colors but also to the times of day. Summer, blonde, midday. Autumn, red, evening. Winter, white, night. An Other was also my first thought on the maid of winter. Winter, white and night are all connected to the Others. I'm really curious what the spring verse is. It could very well be "with flowers in her hair" but it also could be something refering to the light at dawn. Winter/night/Others vs. spring/dawn/lightbringer... I think for Littlefinger the girl with flowers in her hair is Jenny of Oldstones and the song he has in mind is Jenny's song. He even played this game with Cat as you mentioned in the video.

lilifane Wow, you just made me think that the Maid of Spring will be the Sword of the Morning!

I read other theories, re-read, re-listen, do word searches and dream. I also have a glass candle that I use on GRRM. :)

Preston Jacobs Ahah! So it's your fault WOW is taking so long! Quit making GRRM lose time. ;-)

@@ChristopheLambin Dude if only you knew...

@@SirBenjiful lmao

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Perhaps there's a prophecy about breaking the curse of Harrenhal. After all, if Rhaegar was kidknapping in a similar way to Littlefinger, he had the tourney at Harrenhal as a major part of his plan.

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Its true. My mistake. In my defense, back in the middle ages it was pronounced with the hard G.

Preston Jacobs Do your next video entirely in Middle English.

Preston Jacobs Haha, not trying to give you a hard time or anything. Great video, can't wait for the next part!

Preston Jacobs I've been pronouncing it in my head like "goal-err" for over a year now. English is a ridiculous language.

Preston Jacobs I always thought it was pronounced "Gao-ler" since ASOIAF is set in a middle-ages era.

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Preston Jacobs No problem, man!

+Ramon Suarez Actually she is not the ruler of the Vale. Robin is the ruler of the Vale, she is acting a Lord Protector until her son becomes of age. Much like how Cersei rules for Tommen. So, yeah, she can marry whoever she wants.

Claudia Almeida I'd think that would make her less apt to marry who she wanted. She has no real power and would be invited a stranger to parent over the king.

Well, they can't force her to marry someone she doesn't want. Take the example of Lady Dustin, she didn't remarry because she didn't want to. So maybe we can settle on middle ground :)

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They're the best!

Indeed. I love it!

I kept hearing Marillion, so I was up. :)

Preston Jacobs lol, I am rather curious as to whether the theory he may be a Greenseer has any merit, at the very least he may be a warg (something about his intriguing obsession with Falcons and flying, or rather making other people fly...) I loved the theory of the Hound replacing Lady after the whole "get her a dog" line from Robert, the relationship with Sansa and the Hound was certainly similar to the other Stark kids and their Direwolves. Wonder if Sansa will be able to start warging Dogs or Bats at some point, similar to how Arya can also warg Cats as well as far away Nymeria in the Riverlands

NUFCMVFC Or warging the Hound in the foreshadowed duel with the Sir Robert Strong?

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Preston Jacobs HOW SOON

Preston Jacobs Thank you BTW! Take as long as you want. The quality of the vids is what matters. Big thank you sir! *gentlemen nod*

Maybe, but the Vale lords used Harrelhal against Littlefinger. They said he wasn't of the Vale and should leave. Of course, Little is of the Vale, but Harrenhal somehow made him a Riverlander.

Preston Jacobs Just consider it in the light of Davos. The nobles hate him because everyone knows he's an upstart from Flea Bottom. He's leagues below them on the pecking order, and suddenly Stannis elevates him above them. Likewise for Littlefinger: he's the lowest of the Vale's nobility, and everyone knows it. But Lysa elevates him to the highest of all the lords, and of course he then takes power over her. The same thing: the "higher" nobles can't stand that. Claims in Westeros aren't about having the best claim. It's about giving legitimacy to a de facto situation. Robert Baratheon had a terrible claim, but a terrible claim is infinitely better than no claim at all. Without the claim, rebellions would be very likely. Same is true for Littlefinger. He had no claim to Lordship of the Vale. But as Lord of the Trident, his station is high enough. The Lords Regent now cannot just dismiss him or rebel outright. Much as they know all too well that he's way below them, and try justifying a coup by saying his claim is foreign, their case now is severely weakened... and LF is able to anticipate and cut off that move before they've even started. ======== But sure, other seats would serve, why Harrenhal? Well for one, it's easy to obtain. The Whents have power left, Slynt was removed. LF knows a bargain when he sees one. More so, it's no coincidence that so much centers on Harrenhal. Even if it is a ruin, its strategic value remains unchanged, as Tywin recognized: it's the lock between the North, Vale, Riverlands and Crownlands. This will give LF the perfect base of operations for when he starts using an army. And of course, there's Oswell "Kettleblack" who no doubt has some personal interests in it. ======== But any mythology and symbols etc... as far as I can tell, that holds no meaning to Littlefinger. The only value in it to him is as "trappings of power", or just his sense of humor I'd guess, along with useful half-truths. Though of course it may at times be foreshadowing.

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i believe it is the very same

Okay, okay, but in my defense, it was once pronounced that way in the Middle Ages: www.spectator.co.uk/life/mind-your-language/9175801/why-did-we-ever-spell-jail-gaol/

Its tough to say who "visited" Cat and who "visited" Jaime. Bloodraven? Quaithe? Marwyn? Someone else? Littlefinger? Are they working for Littlefinger or against?

True, very true. I'd like to think it's either Quaithe or Marwyn because of their glass candles. But whether they are with Littlefinger or not, I'm not sure. It would be nice if in the next 2 books they talked about it, but I understand if George can't or never thinks about it.

It is pretty far out and awesome that Quaithe and/or Marwin might actually be the ones controlling everything! Preston, how about a video on the possibility that they're all living inside a giant's eye, as referenced in the conversation between Robb and Bran?

Jeff Little Watch the series is all just a dream that Hodor or Wun Wun has one night and whenever Dany/Stannis/Arianne/Myrcella/Jon/Littlefinger/Every one of the Sand Snakes/Irri (because no one is more loyal, badass, and deserves it more than Lady Irri of the Khalasar) take the Throne, ening the series

manband20 that’s a good theory and all but it doesn’t explain how ashara dayne has the powers that quaithe has

+oxycontiin gaolers is the word

gaoler is pronounced as 'jailer'.

So many things happen in parallel in the story that its tough to determine if its on a literary level or a motivational level. Baelish is definitely acting like Bael. Because Littlefinger knows it or because GRRM wills it?

First BTW!!!!

Roselio Mendoza Yes he is

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Preston can we get a video detailing Tyrion's parentage?

Not after the Tully's joined the Starks in rebellion. Joffrey made Petyr the Lord of Harrenhal and Lord of the Trident (Lord of the Riverlands) after the Battle of Blackwater. Becoming the Lady of Harrenhal would therefore make you Lady of the Trident as it is now the hereditary seat.

After Baelish gets Harrenhal, it becomes the ruling seat of the Riverlands.

before the conquest Harrenhal held dominion over the riverlands

Preston Jacobs Is Harrenhalls significance tied in anyway to or due to its proximity to the isle of Faces? Something intentional by Harren the black perhaps?

mpalfadel2008 if the westeros history videos are to be believed, harrenhalls wood was made from weirwood meaning he either got in from the isle, or transported it all the way from the north. also, harrenhall was made besides the gods eye, which is the biggest lake in westeros south of the neck. and castles and cities have to be built near or around sources of water.

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We shall see, we shall see. :)

perhaps one does not need to be acting on prophecy to be able to fulfill it?

Jeff Stafford totally.but I believe his goals are totally pragmatic

saligari666 Yes I agree. Littlefinger is very pragmatic, Harrenhal is the largest castle was near impregnable from land attacks before it was burned by dragon fire, likewise the Eyrie is near impossible to take with an army due to the many layers of defences going up the mountain. Clearly Littlefinger is getting himself secure, easily defended castles for some reason (perhaps to secure himself from attacks from Braavos when the Iron Bank tries to reclaim its debts). He has also secured himself some claim to the Riverlands (in name), the Vale (until Robin comes of age) and the North (by hopefully marrying Sansa, thought to be the only remaining Stark thus heir to the North).

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Ohhhhhh yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah

with Margaery :з

+greta holmgreen and I thought that idea couldn't get any better ^^

+greta holmgreen and I thought that idea couldn't get any better ^^

+greta holmgreen and I thought that idea couldn't get any better ^^

There's a few of us out there. I'm definitely not the only one.

But it is impressive non-understandable shit.

IwannaDomyCrush I agree.

too many mispronunciations

Lol

Dude, Noobie - go watch a marvel super hero movie Pilusmagnus. People like you are why we can't have nice things - like subtly layered plots that require thinking about things from multiple angles. Go on you Preston, keep up the work - you may be wrong but you always bring up good points.

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A necessary madness though. :)

Now let go to Ser Hugh BS who Ned stark receive clues about from maester Pycelle, Ser Barristan Selmy then Varys after Hugh death. Little Finger never told Ned Stark anything about Ser Hugh, cause that could of lead back to him or Lysa. That why Little Finger was the 1 who got him killed by the Mountain before Ned could question him.

Now finally the red hair spill that you went on is a bunch of straight nonsense and I don't have enough time on this planet to debunk all that BS. But I can say that trying to connect red hair to Little Finger planning around the Wildlings (a people he know nothing about or even have a reason to care about them or their tradition), is straight dragon shit.

haters gon hate

Do that mean that if I can follow the ASOIAF story on my own and can point out when someone is factual incorrect than I'm a hater? If so than I gladly be a hater, while you continue to be a stupid sheep (stupid sheep going to follow).

yo u need to get laid bro lol

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Part IV will come...and then V

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I'll bring it back to reasonable in part IV and then go crazy again in part V

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I be sure to confuse everyone more in an upcoming video. :)

I seriously can't wait!

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I make some leaps, but the text demands it. :)

Back to sane and then back to crazy. :)

Preston Jacobs www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-unleashed-mind/

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Well, she repaints it Ser Duncan's who she saw in Tarth, but its secretly of Harrenhal. Just as Oathkeeper is secretly Ice. Just as Alayne is secretly Sansa. Everything is hidden.

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