Hey vids…. Also after hitting the REC button or RESAMPLE button - before you pick your pad your going to record to … the sub pad will work as a tap tempo to set the BPM for the sample before you record it … so you can listen first … tap along to the beat … and then record your sample with the correct tapped in BPM
Only recently got an sp404 myself. Bpm has been a bit of a confusing area for me at the moment. This really helped! Loving the videos dude. Keep it up and thank you for the time and effort you put into making these!
When you are in the pitch mode you can also turn auto to manual with the black wheel and manually adjust the bpm value once you tapped along the beat and found out what the actual bpm is.
And here's how i do it: after recording a sample, if you go to pitch/speed and set bpm to manual you can also tap the tempo here hitting the sub pad while playing back the sample 😉
I have a question, how would this help me? I usually record small chunks of samples from youtube, regardless of the bpm.... I do patterns between 79-90 bpm (when you set the BPM to pattern mode). and I haven't had any problems building beats..... so... is it strictly necessary to set the bpm before recording a small chunk of sample? if pattern mode already allows you to adjust the bpm of the pattern, then why is it necessary to adjust it to the sample you're recording from youtube or vinyl? you can simply accommodate it to that pattern, playing with the bpm strech as a whole. It seems very strange to me example... I have a pattern at 86 bpm, one beat ready. and it plays at 86 bpm, but the project where I have that pattern is at 98 bpm (according to the machine)... so .... how does it affect me if the pattern I was able to create still sounds at 86 bpm? I remain very attentive to your answers ladies and gentlemen.....
Depends what you're doing with the sample, especially when you are pitch shifting them. Bpm doesnt play a big factor for me the chops i use arent long enough for it to matter, but sometimes it does, especially with loops
I chop entire passages of songs that loop so my approach is different. The previous video I mentioned gives more context to this point. I now pretty much chop all my samples equally in 16 parts so when I have complete control over the BPM of the sample, I know I can set that as the pattern BPM and the chops will flow perfectly at that tempo. For example - I set the BPM to a speed I feel like playing with, like 82, then start a pattern at 82 and i can play through the chops in time and they will land on the grid. This is especially useful for samples with drums imo because you can then chop them easily on the kicks and snares and then rearrange in the pattern mode and they will be in time and still land on the grid. Then when I layer drums over the top they 'mask' the drums in the original sample. Kinda hard to explain but thats been my workflow for the past few weeks now and its been working really well for me.
@@spvidz Thank you very much, these days I have been applying what you say about regulating the bpm and I can confirm that adjusting the bpm before doing something in the machine, helps tremendously to make the rhythm breathe and the loop repeat without problems. My method works, but depending on the type of sample you run into the problem of the loop not repeating correctly when it ends up in the pattern sequencer. But with this one, all the instrumentals I've done these days, flow perfectly. thanks brother
Hmm Im not sure how the SP really deals with bpm on samples, it doesn’t seem like it ‘bakes’ the information in so I would assume that it doesn’t do that. Maybe the app could detect it. I would have to look into it
Roland really needs to address how very broken their Auto BPM detection is. The old SX length that they added in 3.0 is more consistently accurate than their new system but even then it can get some data stuck in memory or something and counts BPM waaaaaay off. This helps while we wait for a better solution.
I also don’t like that changing a sample’s BPM is very clunky - it’s hard to get round numbers which is a pain. Don’t know if I’m missing something but even with fine tune it seems impossible to get round numbers…!
@@spvidz In my opinion the easiest way to do it: set your wanted BPM for the project, tap the correct BPM for the sample, then use the sync option. I really wish Roland would provide an update with an option for time stretching that is based on counting bars, not BPM. In Koalasampler this works great and is so easy because it does not matter what the original BPM is. Regarding the strikes for royal free samples, even the creators and official sellers (e g. Drum Broker) have the same problems because someone else use the same sample and then register the copyrights for the track. If the algorithm recognize the sample in other tracks, they got strikes. This is really an error in the DRM system :(
Thats exactly what happens. I use 'royalty free' samples for demos like this for the exact reason royalty free samples exist, so I DONT get copyright, but these shitty labels, whos artists actually use them for releases and don't even bother to chop them up flag me because I've used 'their song', lol. No. I just used the same loop. I always argue the case and the record label always just say no. The whole process is broken!
So I wonder if the set bpm also has influence over the algorithm and if it’s the wrong bpm you’re not using the repitch/speed change to its best ability.
Quite possibly. A few other people have mentioned in the comments that this area does seem a little confusing on the SP. This is my first dive into it really. I’m glad I’ve got this trick for ensuring I can change sample speed and see the exact tempo I want for now! Not sure I’ve noticed a change in the ‘quality’ of the repitching tbh though
Why not just set the sample to the correct BPM after you record it? You can use tap tempo inside the PITCH/SPEED option with an existing sample. Change the BPM to manual, play the existing sample, and tap the tempo using the SUB PAD. You don't need to mess with tempo defaults or tapping out the tempo before recording it.
many ways to skin a cat with hardware but yes thats also an option. The good thing about presetting the BPM is that you can use 'end snap' when you record in to get a perfect loop (if that's what you are recording) I'll cover that in another video
You can do that yeah but thats not how I work at the moment so it does matter for my workflow right now. I'm taking parts of tracks and using regions to chop them evenly over 16 pads. Knowing the BPM and being able to adjust it to taste makes putting that chopped sample on the pattern grid a lot easier, especially when there are drums in the sample and I am rearranging the order, everything just kinda fits a little bit better
