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A viewer requested some info on putting C series over top of fully cured H series. We didn't have an answer for him, so John set up a quick experiment. Pics are at the end, including a couple of bonus pics of a separate project.
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@toxic1venom 6 лет назад

John, you ARE the man.

@BransonCerakote 6 лет назад

Thanks!

@gfyabc Год назад

Sounds like a good candidate for using the color fill pen with C over the top of H. Thanks

@BransonCerakote Год назад

We use H over H with the pens.

@zachbochek 3 месяца назад

This answered a question I had. Since I wanted to coat a set of calipers most of the C series reds can hold up to the heat, so was going to use an H series with a C series bronze over top.

@vanessalee8860 4 года назад

Note on H series on top of H series: you will NOT have adhesion issues in general, and if you need to repeat it, just rough up the existing H series surface with medium sand paper and then spray over and bake. There aren't any issues

@BransonCerakote 4 года назад

Are you taking about fully cured H series or just tacked out?

@vanessalee8860 4 года назад

Fully cured H series.

@BransonCerakote 4 года назад

@@vanessalee8860 Interesting. I've never tried that before.

@vanessalee8860 4 года назад

Yeah, H series will stick to itself, I don't know why people or NIC says otherwise. If you sand it super smooth to a glass mirror finish and try to put H series on top then you may have issues. That's the only case I can think of.

@gatorguida4483 3 года назад

Thanks John. I know why they’re asking this. They put H series on something that got too hot. 😂 I got sooo lucky. My pipes were double walled. I’m gonna send you a pic or two. Keep up the great work. 👍

@BransonCerakote 3 года назад

We actually like these questions because it makes us test things we've never thought of before.

@erincooke4850 Год назад

I know this is an older video but I’m really interested in seeing how it would hold up to heat like if it was on a header or exhaust seeing how the H is under the C on the substrate.

@BransonCerakote Год назад

It would fail. The H is the series actually on the metal, and H tops out at around 500 degrees.

@ryanuhazie 6 месяцев назад

I know you aren’t a C series expert from the comments below, but do you know the re-coat time of c series if I wanted multiple coats? I’m think the 45 minutes as the spec sheet says tack free in 45-60 minutes. Also I saw your comment below on cerakote c series durability vs H and elite. I’ve been using it on golf club shafts and putter heads. Do you think I would have better scratch resistance with H or Elite vs C series? If so why even sell the C series? Thanks!!!

@BransonCerakote 6 месяцев назад

As long as it's tack free, you are good to go. I'd start checking an edge at about 45 minutes. Once it's tack free, you want to get the next color on within 30 minutes or so. There's a trade-off. H and Elite are more durable, but aren't that great at UV (some colors suck). C is great at UV, but the durability isn't as good. C is really good for heat resistance, which is what they market it for.

@alexboone2227 6 лет назад

Quick question for you: I have a bottle of C series for a shotgun barrel and action because the length will not fit in the oven I use. What are your thoughts on stenciling off the guys initials on the action and spraying the FDE C series over the stencil to leave the black initials visible? Would this be a significant hit in the durability and end up chipping where the stencil was?

@BransonCerakote 6 лет назад

I'm in unknown territory there, but I'd say you'd be ok. The problem with C series is the durability. I'd recommend clear coat over it.

@alexboone9883 6 лет назад

Good deal!

@lawxr6eBay 4 года назад

I may have missed it in the comments but I was wondering about recoating with C after it's been fully cured and a couple weeks of use. To see where more coats were needed and touch those areas up. Also, the baked hardness of initial application H series combined with more colors for top coat C series. What prep for exterior surfaces only?

@BransonCerakote 4 года назад

Cerakote doesn't like to stick to hard (fully cured) Cerakote. We honestly don't have a lot of experience with C series because there's not really anything that comes in we need it for. We either use H series or Elite on everything. Prep for C series is the same. Degrease, gasout, sandblast.

@jeffhuntley2921 6 лет назад

Any chance youd be willing to fold a crease into a corner and then fold it back straight? Id imagine one if not both substrates would fail, just curious which is stronger? Everyone that i know thats used the air dry, has loved it. Thanks for the video!

@BransonCerakote 6 лет назад

I just did. No change. I personally don't like the C series from an abrasion resistance standpoint, but if you need high heat, it's the only real option.

@jeffhuntley2921 6 лет назад

Branson Cerakote. Thanks for checking. I have friends that use it for engine bay parts. Steering boxes, linkage, valve covers. Way more durable than automotive paint.

@BransonCerakote 6 лет назад

Absolutely. C has its place.

@shanerichardson4989 5 лет назад

Mr Branson do you have a method to get midnight blue H series to be more matt finish? I always do 1/24 hardener and it comes out semi gloss... Thanx for the great channel.

@BransonCerakote 5 лет назад

I only mix 12:1.

@vanessalee8860 4 года назад

Each color has it's own nominal glossiness, mid light blue is inherently glossy. You can mix graphite black with other blues to get a more matte blue

@molonlabe7750 6 лет назад

I called Cerakote and they said it can not be done, but looks like you did it

@BransonCerakote 6 лет назад

Not saying that they are intentionally misleading people, but I've found some instances where they put out info that isn't exactly accutate. With the C over H, I personally wouldn't do it on a project, but it did work as far as adhesion at a basic level. I'd still be concerned with the feel of it.

@mikekrajnak 2 года назад

I've had good results doing this but after h series is fully cured you still need to do a light etch before top coating with c series

@BransonCerakote 2 года назад

I've seen other people doing an etch, but I'd personally be leery of doing that because I'd be worried about compromising the mil thickness of the coating. We've been doing it without an etch for years without any issues (C series clear).

@mikekrajnak 2 года назад

@Branson Cerakote ah ok I'll try with out thanks

@BransonCerakote 2 года назад

@@mikekrajnak Glad to help. Not saying the etch is wrong, I've just never been comfortable with it.

@trowuabeatin 3 года назад

John,, which Cerakote color would you say comes the closest to the Black found on a Glock frame? I’ve had a slide coated Armor black and it’s not even close. Armor black is much more grey than black in my opinion.

@BransonCerakote 3 года назад

We use graphite black. Nothing is going to be 100%. They are two different types of coatings.

@trowuabeatin 3 года назад

@@BransonCerakote Thank you & I understand. I have a few swatches and couldn’t decide for myself if it would be closer to Graphite Black or Gloss Black.

@BransonCerakote 3 года назад

@@trowuabeatin Gloss black is pretty shiny.

@rloco6628 4 года назад

Do you always cover fully cured H-series with MC/156, 157? Can you tack out H-series and spray MC 156 and cure with the normal oven cure process of H-series?

@BransonCerakote 4 года назад

It depends on the customer. I have MC157 on all of my personal guns. No. You should never bake a C series product. In my experience, it becomes brittle if it cures too fast. Fully cure the base coat, spray on the air cure clear, ignore it for a week, assemble.

@johnlevine4968 3 года назад

John, at what PSI are you spraying the C Series? Or are you spraying it at the same 20PSI as you would with H Series?

@BransonCerakote 3 года назад

C series coating goes on at 20 psi. C series clear coat goes on at 30.

@johnlevine4968 3 года назад

@@BransonCerakote Thanks a bunch John!

@goodsam262 5 лет назад

What type of strainer do you use? The 100 and 150 mesh “in-cup” or paper cones. I’m having a difficult time finding 150 mesh paper cone strainers and was thinking about buying the in- cups from cerakote. Any suggestions would be great! Keep up the great videos!

@BransonCerakote 5 лет назад

I've used 100 mesh paper filters since I started, and I've never had an issue. I have an opinion on the 150 and 325 mesh in-cup filters, but I'll keep it to myself, lol.

@goodsam262 5 лет назад

Branson Cerakote thanks!

@kritas9432 6 лет назад

Hey brother !Good to see more tests ! Can you make a video on doing something more crazy ? 18 to 2ml of hardner?

@BransonCerakote 6 лет назад

I'll put it on the list, just not sure when you'd use something like that, lol.

@kritas9432 6 лет назад

@@BransonCerakote haha !! I make some tests myself ! C series over H series is the best anti rust coating you can do ! Also Powder coating over C series is great anti rust coating especially for car under parts or bike parts ! But I have never tried 2 to 18 ratio. Maybe I ll do some tomorrow. Yesterday I tested satin Aluminum mixed with some little pigments and it turned out really nice ! I already make my own "Gun Candy" pigments !

@BransonCerakote 6 лет назад

Cool! Share the results if you don't mind.

@kritas9432 6 лет назад

@@BransonCerakote I ve uploaded a ton of photos on Facebook! I don't have a good camera so I don't upload videos as you do much !

@BransonCerakote 6 лет назад

GoPro Hero 5 black. One of the best purchases I've made.

@oldrabidus2230 5 лет назад

FYI: Spoke to NIC, you can flash cure H series over Elite series for camo patterns. Elite must be flash cured too, not fully cured! Elite is more durable but the 18:1 required paint/hardner ratio leaves a satin finish where H series at 20:1 or 21:1 leaves a nice flat finish.

@BransonCerakote 5 лет назад

Cool. That's new info. Thanks for calling.

@oldrabidus2230 5 лет назад

Email from 8/31/18 Hello oldrabidus, We do recommend using the same series of Cerakote for the whole item but that process will be ok. Thank you for choosing Cerakote Cerakote Technical Advisor NIC Industries, Inc. 7050 6th Street | White City, OR 97503 Email: Technicalsupport@cerakote.com Ph: 541.826.1922 Ext.263

@BransonCerakote 5 лет назад

@@oldrabidus2230 I'l give it a try next week, and let everyone know how it turns out. Thanks for the info!

@vanessalee8860 4 года назад

The elite series is very flat even at 18:1, and cerakote in general is very flat even with 12:1 hardener on H series. This is of course, subjective but compared to most spray paints, cerakote does tend to run on the flat side

@DecotFamilyShooters 6 лет назад

Wife asked to make some designs on cookie sheets with cerakote. Never thought about the high temp and eating off it. Thoughts?

@BransonCerakote 6 лет назад

I wouldn't recommend eating off of it. The reason why NIC recommends putting a thin layer of high heat tape around the top of the tumblers is because it's not FDA approved.

@DecotFamilyShooters 6 лет назад

Perfect, just what I needed to know. Thank you.

@BransonCerakote 6 лет назад

Glad to help.

@270wsm140gr 5 лет назад

I put a coat of cerakote the air dry c series on a tripod and I notice the coat isn't thick enough,can I put another coat on the within 24hrs or what would time limit be?

@BransonCerakote 5 лет назад

Yes you can, but I wouldn't go much beyond that. Your other question shows in my notifications, but I can't find it on the other video. To answer it tho, no, there isn't any hardener with C series.

@270wsm140gr 5 лет назад

@@BransonCerakote awesome, thank you for the quick reply..👍

@BransonCerakote 5 лет назад

@@270wsm140gr Glad to help.

@Tootall72 3 года назад

I am thinking of starting a business doing this. There is no competition in our area and we have lots of Hotrods and racers. What has your experience been using this product?

@BransonCerakote 3 года назад

Cerakote?

@Tootall72 3 года назад

@@BransonCerakote yes

@BransonCerakote 3 года назад

@@Tootall72 I'd stay away from C series. It's not very durable. I'd lean more towards Elite.

@Tootall72 3 года назад

@@BransonCerakote thanks

@BransonCerakote 3 года назад

@@Tootall72 Glad to help.